Le 2024-12-21 à 19:50, chrisv a écrit :
> CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> (idiocy snipped)
>
> Really? What does the NYSE run?

I never looked into it. If it runs Linux, that's great. How that helps
to improve the user experience is up to you to explain.

--
CrudeSausage

Le 2024-12-22 à 00:30, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-21 à 17:36, RonB a écrit :
>>> On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> Le 2024-12-21 à 14:02, rbowman a écrit :
>>>>> https://www.wired.com/story/2024-was-the-year-the-bottom-fell-out-of-the-
>>>>> games-industry/
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd seen a few articles but never paid much attention. RPI put a lot of
>>>>> effort into their video game degree program and thought the spinoffs might
>>>>> revitalize the upstate NY economy. I wonder if they missed the boat or if
>>>>> the industry will spring back?
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux: who really cares if games run on Linux? It's a serious OS for
>>>>> serious people.
>>>>
>>>> If it were a serious operating system for serious people, businesses and
>>>> academic institutions would be willing to run it, and invest in the
>>>> people necessary to troubleshoot it. Instead, both have realized that
>>>> its free cost does not result in savings of any kind because the
>>>> problems it causes often can't be resolved by even the most gifted of
>>>> technical staff. That's why they use Windows, even with the security issues.
>>>
>>> The reason they use Windows is because it runs Microsoft Office (and
>>> businesses are "married" to this crap)
>>
>> They do use Microsoft Office but there is no denying that it is superior
>> to what's available to Linux. Perhaps WPS Office can compete at some
>> level, but most people I know who use spreadsheet software say that
>> LibreOffice is sorely lacking in the functionality they use daily.
>> Additionally, they say that the functionality it does provide is nowhere
>> near the level of Microsoft's.
>
> I'm denying it. I despise MicroCrap Office. Worthless bloatware.
>
> I used Calc in OpenOffice at work before LibreOffice ever existed. For my
> purposes it worked fine. Spreadsheets are overused for data purposes anyhow.
> If you want a database use a database software.

Your opinion on spreadsheets and the software used to make them won't
sway people like my wife who calculates financial risk and needs to
report it to the investors. For people like her, Calc is not even up for
consideration because Microsoft's software is robust and has been
offering reliable service for decades. There were stronger competitors
to Excel than Calc in the past, competitors that had already made lots
of headway, and they too were left in the dust. It's not all because of
"shady business practises" either.

--
CrudeSausage

Le 2024-12-22 à 01:06, rbowman a écrit :
> On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 05:25:09 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> On 2024-12-21, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The reason they use Windows is because it runs Microsoft Office (and
>>>> businesses are "married" to this crap) and Microsoft's has leverage
>>>> with the computer manufacturers. Monopolies have a lot of inertia
>>>> that's hard to overcome. But you'll note that, for development
>>>> purposes, Microsoft is now including Linux in Windows. There's a
>>>> reason for that. And, as software moves to the "rental" phase and more
>>>> and more of the applications move to the "Cloud", there will be less
>>>> and less necessity to use Windows.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> No purchasing manager was ever fired for specifying Microsoft.
>>
>> I wouldn't bet on it.
>
> Leaving out the cloud I have to agree. Microsoft and the availability of
> Microsoft Certified Whatevers makes pointy headed bosses sleep better at
> night.

It's the same argument as the one that was made as to why IBM won over
superior platforms in the 1980s. At the very least, anyone who suggests
Microsoft can't be reprimanded because the boss knows that they will be
able to find a ton of people who can use the well-known software as well
as a ton of techs who can troubleshoot it. Even if they can't afford
that staff, there is lots of help online for most problems if they
search for it. That doesn't mean that the operating system is
necessarily better; it simply means that businesses take a lot less risk
in choosing one over the other.

I've always mentioned that I believe that in fields like education and
finance, everyone would be better off using open-source though. For
finance, you need a robust kernel and a filesystem which resists bit-rot
to keep those records. There shouldn't be a need to back up data daily
for fear that your records will corrupt (even though it is still clearly
smart to do so). Similarly, in education, if the public system desires
removing all financial barriers to learning, doesn't it make sense to
run an operating system which can be deployed to even the most
affordable hardware at no performance penalty and prioritize the use of
software which can be downloaded at no charge? I've actually asked this
many times in the past and the answer has always been that maintaining
the Linux servers is more costly and time-consuming to the technicians.
I imagine that it is because the slightest change in configuration
causes chaos across the board.

--
CrudeSausage

Le 2024-12-22 à 05:09, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit :
> Le 21-12-2024, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> a écrit :
>>
>> And: All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
>
> Agreed. Now, a computer is not mandatory to play. There are other
> possibilities.

I have to agree here. I just got a new monitor yesterday and both my
computer and Xbox Series S are plugged into it. I'm sure that the same
game running from the computer would look better than it does coming
from the console, but the games still look fantastic and I doubt that
some additional polygons would multiply the amount of fun one can have.
Besides, there are console exclusives like NHL that make it preferable.

--
CrudeSausage

Le 22-12-2024, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> a écrit :
> Le 2024-12-22 à 05:09, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit :
>> Le 21-12-2024, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> a écrit :
>>>
>>> And: All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
>>
>> Agreed. Now, a computer is not mandatory to play. There are other
>> possibilities.
>
> I have to agree here. I just got a new monitor yesterday and both my
> computer and Xbox Series S are plugged into it. I'm sure that the same
> game running from the computer would look better than it does coming
> from the console, but the games still look fantastic and I doubt that
> some additional polygons would multiply the amount of fun one can have.
> Besides, there are console exclusives like NHL that make it preferable.

A console is a computer. Like a smartphone. You can take a ball and play
with others outside. Or take come cards and play with others inside.
These are only two examples, the number of possibilities is huge. That's
what I mean when I say that a computer is not mandatory to play: video
games are only a part of what exists to play.

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> On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 14:42:38 -0500, Crud wrote:
>
>> If it were a serious operating system for serious people, businesses and
>> academic institutions would be willing to run it,

Like the U.S. Dept. of Defense?

Facebook/Meta?

Roku?

Google?

Microsoft?

> Hey. Hey, mutherfucker.
>
> <snip>
>
> You are a fucking loser that has no business commenting
> on GNU/Linux, which is the greatest OS in the history of
> technical man.

He's just a dumbass troll. Like you :-D

Flud and Crud! Kinda has a ring to it! :-D :-D :-D

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Always leave room to add an explanation if it doesn't work out.

CrudeSausage wrote:

>Le 2024-12-21 à 19:50, chrisv a écrit :
>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> (idiocy snipped)
>>
>> Really? What does the NYSE run?
>
>I never looked into it. If it runs Linux, that's great. How that helps
>to improve the user experience is up to you to explain.

How a viable option of a robust and well-supported non-commercial OS
doesn't improve the user experience for millions for whom "the big
two" are inadequate is up to you to explain.

Le 2024-12-22 à 11:40, chrisv a écrit :
> CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> Le 2024-12-21 à 19:50, chrisv a écrit :
>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> (idiocy snipped)
>>>
>>> Really? What does the NYSE run?
>>
>> I never looked into it. If it runs Linux, that's great. How that helps
>> to improve the user experience is up to you to explain.
>
> How a viable option of a robust and well-supported non-commercial OS
> doesn't improve the user experience for millions for whom "the big
> two" are inadequate is up to you to explain.

In other words, no answer.

--
CrudeSausage

On 2024-12-22, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 08:33:46 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> I know nothing about programming. I'm pretty sure, though, that it was
>> Visual C++ that my brother liked the most. I know for certain that he
>> doesn't like the newest Microsoft stuff. He says it's crap.
>
> Some is. I never warmed up to WPF and xaml and used Winforms for any GUIs
> I had to do. Microsoft would dearly love to kill Winforms but there is too
> much popular support. However ASP.NET which is the back end server part is
> much cleaner in C#. Some of the bad taste for C++ involves WCF which is a
> huge, sprawling pile of SOAP crap.

All of this is above my pay grade. I can't even learn Python.

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what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-12-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-22 à 05:09, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit :
>> Le 21-12-2024, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> a écrit :
>>>
>>> And: All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
>>
>> Agreed. Now, a computer is not mandatory to play. There are other
>> possibilities.
>
> I have to agree here. I just got a new monitor yesterday and both my
> computer and Xbox Series S are plugged into it. I'm sure that the same
> game running from the computer would look better than it does coming
> from the console, but the games still look fantastic and I doubt that
> some additional polygons would multiply the amount of fun one can have.
> Besides, there are console exclusives like NHL that make it preferable.

My kids have tried to get me interested in some of the games they play. The
graphics are pretty impressive sometimes, but the games, themselves, often
seem kind of repetitious and boring. It seems like they're doing the same
thing, over and over again.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-12-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-21 à 19:50, chrisv a écrit :
>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> (idiocy snipped)
>>
>> Really? What does the NYSE run?
>
> I never looked into it. If it runs Linux, that's great. How that helps
> to improve the user experience is up to you to explain.

"Improved the user experience" is subjective. For me, the best "user
experience, when writing (for example), is working in non-GUI environment.
I'm sure that's not the case with most here. I'm guessing the "best" "user
experience" with the NYSE is whatever platform gets the users the
information they want in the shortest possible amount of time.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-12-22, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>>Le 2024-12-21 à 19:50, chrisv a écrit :
>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> (idiocy snipped)
>>>
>>> Really? What does the NYSE run?
>>
>>I never looked into it. If it runs Linux, that's great. How that helps
>>to improve the user experience is up to you to explain.
>
> How a viable option of a robust and well-supported non-commercial OS
> doesn't improve the user experience for millions for whom "the big
> two" are inadequate is up to you to explain.

He thinks Windows is "prettier." I don't.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-12-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-22 à 11:40, chrisv a écrit :
>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> Le 2024-12-21 à 19:50, chrisv a écrit :
>>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> (idiocy snipped)
>>>>
>>>> Really? What does the NYSE run?
>>>
>>> I never looked into it. If it runs Linux, that's great. How that helps
>>> to improve the user experience is up to you to explain.
>>
>> How a viable option of a robust and well-supported non-commercial OS
>> doesn't improve the user experience for millions for whom "the big
>> two" are inadequate is up to you to explain.
>
> In other words, no answer.

There is no answer. An "improved user experience" is completely subjective (as
mentioned in an earlier post).

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-12-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-22 à 00:30, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-21 à 17:36, RonB a écrit :
>>>> On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> Le 2024-12-21 à 14:02, rbowman a écrit :
>>>>>> https://www.wired.com/story/2024-was-the-year-the-bottom-fell-out-of-the-
>>>>>> games-industry/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd seen a few articles but never paid much attention. RPI put a lot of
>>>>>> effort into their video game degree program and thought the spinoffs might
>>>>>> revitalize the upstate NY economy. I wonder if they missed the boat or if
>>>>>> the industry will spring back?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux: who really cares if games run on Linux? It's a serious OS for
>>>>>> serious people.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it were a serious operating system for serious people, businesses and
>>>>> academic institutions would be willing to run it, and invest in the
>>>>> people necessary to troubleshoot it. Instead, both have realized that
>>>>> its free cost does not result in savings of any kind because the
>>>>> problems it causes often can't be resolved by even the most gifted of
>>>>> technical staff. That's why they use Windows, even with the security issues.
>>>>
>>>> The reason they use Windows is because it runs Microsoft Office (and
>>>> businesses are "married" to this crap)
>>>
>>> They do use Microsoft Office but there is no denying that it is superior
>>> to what's available to Linux. Perhaps WPS Office can compete at some
>>> level, but most people I know who use spreadsheet software say that
>>> LibreOffice is sorely lacking in the functionality they use daily.
>>> Additionally, they say that the functionality it does provide is nowhere
>>> near the level of Microsoft's.
>>
>> I'm denying it. I despise MicroCrap Office. Worthless bloatware.
>>
>> I used Calc in OpenOffice at work before LibreOffice ever existed. For my
>> purposes it worked fine. Spreadsheets are overused for data purposes anyhow.
>> If you want a database use a database software.
>
> Your opinion on spreadsheets and the software used to make them won't
> sway people like my wife who calculates financial risk and needs to
> report it to the investors. For people like her, Calc is not even up for
> consideration because Microsoft's software is robust and has been
> offering reliable service for decades. There were stronger competitors
> to Excel than Calc in the past, competitors that had already made lots
> of headway, and they too were left in the dust. It's not all because of
> "shady business practises" either.

I don't think "robustness" has anything to do with it. I think it comes down
to what the others expect. It's basically a monopoly product and, as I
mentioned with Windows, monopolies have an inertia loop that's hard for
businesses to exit from. It has nothing to do with the supposed "quality" of
the product — it has everything to do with "this is what we're used to
using."

In my opinion M$ Office is bloated crapware that tries to "think" for you.
But I was only occasionally forced to use it so I never got in stuck in the
"inertia loop."

My wife uses Power Point. She originally used it because a template she
purchased only worked with Power Point. Now she's used to using it, so
she'll probably keep using it as long as she needs to prepare classes. Just
the way it works. People use what they're used to using. Inertia.

That's why so many still use the inferior Microsoft Windows crap OS.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-12-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-22 à 01:06, rbowman a écrit :
>> On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 05:25:09 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-12-21, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The reason they use Windows is because it runs Microsoft Office (and
>>>>> businesses are "married" to this crap) and Microsoft's has leverage
>>>>> with the computer manufacturers. Monopolies have a lot of inertia
>>>>> that's hard to overcome. But you'll note that, for development
>>>>> purposes, Microsoft is now including Linux in Windows. There's a
>>>>> reason for that. And, as software moves to the "rental" phase and more
>>>>> and more of the applications move to the "Cloud", there will be less
>>>>> and less necessity to use Windows.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> No purchasing manager was ever fired for specifying Microsoft.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't bet on it.
>>
>> Leaving out the cloud I have to agree. Microsoft and the availability of
>> Microsoft Certified Whatevers makes pointy headed bosses sleep better at
>> night.
>
> It's the same argument as the one that was made as to why IBM won over
> superior platforms in the 1980s. At the very least, anyone who suggests
> Microsoft can't be reprimanded because the boss knows that they will be
> able to find a ton of people who can use the well-known software as well
> as a ton of techs who can troubleshoot it. Even if they can't afford
> that staff, there is lots of help online for most problems if they
> search for it. That doesn't mean that the operating system is
> necessarily better; it simply means that businesses take a lot less risk
> in choosing one over the other.
>
> I've always mentioned that I believe that in fields like education and
> finance, everyone would be better off using open-source though. For
> finance, you need a robust kernel and a filesystem which resists bit-rot
> to keep those records. There shouldn't be a need to back up data daily
> for fear that your records will corrupt (even though it is still clearly
> smart to do so). Similarly, in education, if the public system desires
> removing all financial barriers to learning, doesn't it make sense to
> run an operating system which can be deployed to even the most
> affordable hardware at no performance penalty and prioritize the use of
> software which can be downloaded at no charge? I've actually asked this
> many times in the past and the answer has always been that maintaining
> the Linux servers is more costly and time-consuming to the technicians.
> I imagine that it is because the slightest change in configuration
> causes chaos across the board.

First off, what happened to all those people who kept suggesting IBM was a
"no brainer" when it sank?

Second, do you really think important databases run on MicroSlop? Windows
might be the front-end, but I'm willing to bet that most corporations run
SQL under Linux servers for their important records. You've heard of Oracle,
right? (Not endorsing them, but they're the world's largest database
company, I believe. They have their own "flavor" of Red Hat.)

--
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what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 06:04:16 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> My kids have tried to get me interested in some of the games they play.
> The graphics are pretty impressive sometimes, but the games, themselves,
> often seem kind of repetitious and boring. It seems like they're doing
> the same thing, over and over again.

I played a few I enjoyed. One of the Rainbow Six series, Call of Duty, and
Gears of War. The 'open' types like GTA or Assassin's Creed didn't do
anything for me. I guess I need more structure rather than wandering
around trying to figure out what I'm supposed to do.

On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 06:30:19 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> Second, do you really think important databases run on MicroSlop?
> Windows might be the front-end, but I'm willing to bet that most
> corporations run SQL under Linux servers for their important records.
> You've heard of Oracle,
> right? (Not endorsing them, but they're the world's largest database
> company, I believe. They have their own "flavor" of Red Hat.)

PosgresSQL is making inroads. Oracle licenses are not cheap and support is
an extra cost option; Postgres is free. Most of our clients use SQL
Server. Not as robust as Oracle or expensive although it's not cheap. The
only RFP that required Oracle was from the DOI. Nothing is too good when
you're spending the taxpayers' money.

On 12/22/24 7:14 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> Le 2024-12-21 à 19:50, chrisv a écrit :
>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> (idiocy snipped)
>>
>> Really?  What does the NYSE run?
>
> I never looked into it. If it runs Linux, that's great. How that helps
> to improve the user experience is up to you to explain.

Sounds like some lame deflection attempt into what *nix flavor is on the
mainframe servers...

But for the traders, the Industry Standard is the Bloomberg Terminal.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomberg_Terminal>

The Bloomberg Terminal runs on Windows OS.

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> On 12/22/24 7:14 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-21 à 19:50, chrisv a écrit :
>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> (idiocy snipped)
>>>
>>> Really?  What does the NYSE run?
>>
>> I never looked into it. If it runs Linux, that's great. How that helps
>> to improve the user experience is up to you to explain.
>
> Sounds like some lame deflection attempt into what *nix flavor is on the
> mainframe servers...
>
> But for the traders, the Industry Standard is the Bloomberg Terminal.
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomberg_Terminal>
>
> The Bloomberg Terminal runs on Windows OS.

What about the London Stock Exchange?

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Le 2024-12-23 à 01:04, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-22 à 05:09, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit :
>>> Le 21-12-2024, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> And: All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.
>>>
>>> Agreed. Now, a computer is not mandatory to play. There are other
>>> possibilities.
>>
>> I have to agree here. I just got a new monitor yesterday and both my
>> computer and Xbox Series S are plugged into it. I'm sure that the same
>> game running from the computer would look better than it does coming
>> from the console, but the games still look fantastic and I doubt that
>> some additional polygons would multiply the amount of fun one can have.
>> Besides, there are console exclusives like NHL that make it preferable.
>
> My kids have tried to get me interested in some of the games they play. The
> graphics are pretty impressive sometimes, but the games, themselves, often
> seem kind of repetitious and boring. It seems like they're doing the same
> thing, over and over again.
>

I would tell you that the one game which might have a chance of
interesting you is Geometry Wars. It is simple, addictive, easy to
understand the first time you play and it should even work without issue
in Linux.

--
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Le 2024-12-23 à 01:10, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-21 à 19:50, chrisv a écrit :
>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> (idiocy snipped)
>>>
>>> Really? What does the NYSE run?
>>
>> I never looked into it. If it runs Linux, that's great. How that helps
>> to improve the user experience is up to you to explain.
>
> "Improved the user experience" is subjective. For me, the best "user
> experience, when writing (for example), is working in non-GUI environment.
> I'm sure that's not the case with most here. I'm guessing the "best" "user
> experience" with the NYSE is whatever platform gets the users the
> information they want in the shortest possible amount of time.

I do admit that there are a lot of things I prefer doing in the command
line like batch converting images to a smaller size or converting Office
Open XML document to the truly open OpenDocument format. I'll admit that
Linux gives you a lot more flexibility to do so and that its
command-line tools are top-notch. Heck, doing any of what I mentioned in
Windows usually requires you to download some tool which tries to sucker
you into paying a monthly fee.

--
CrudeSausage

Le 2024-12-23 à 01:11, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-22, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> Le 2024-12-21 à 19:50, chrisv a écrit :
>>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> (idiocy snipped)
>>>>
>>>> Really? What does the NYSE run?
>>>
>>> I never looked into it. If it runs Linux, that's great. How that helps
>>> to improve the user experience is up to you to explain.
>>
>> How a viable option of a robust and well-supported non-commercial OS
>> doesn't improve the user experience for millions for whom "the big
>> two" are inadequate is up to you to explain.
>
> He thinks Windows is "prettier." I don't.

It's more consistent, but I think that KDE is prettier. The mere fact
that KDE allows you to customize the interface however you want
including with effects makes it superior to Windows. When I inevitably
decide to torture myself with Linux again, especially if it has a
solution to fTPM stuttering which is unavailable to Windows without a
BIOS update, I'll probably install that again.

--
CrudeSausage

Le 2024-12-23 à 01:21, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-22 à 00:30, RonB a écrit :
>>> On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> Le 2024-12-21 à 17:36, RonB a écrit :
>>>>> On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>> Le 2024-12-21 à 14:02, rbowman a écrit :
>>>>>>> https://www.wired.com/story/2024-was-the-year-the-bottom-fell-out-of-the-
>>>>>>> games-industry/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd seen a few articles but never paid much attention. RPI put a lot of
>>>>>>> effort into their video game degree program and thought the spinoffs might
>>>>>>> revitalize the upstate NY economy. I wonder if they missed the boat or if
>>>>>>> the industry will spring back?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Linux: who really cares if games run on Linux? It's a serious OS for
>>>>>>> serious people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it were a serious operating system for serious people, businesses and
>>>>>> academic institutions would be willing to run it, and invest in the
>>>>>> people necessary to troubleshoot it. Instead, both have realized that
>>>>>> its free cost does not result in savings of any kind because the
>>>>>> problems it causes often can't be resolved by even the most gifted of
>>>>>> technical staff. That's why they use Windows, even with the security issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason they use Windows is because it runs Microsoft Office (and
>>>>> businesses are "married" to this crap)
>>>>
>>>> They do use Microsoft Office but there is no denying that it is superior
>>>> to what's available to Linux. Perhaps WPS Office can compete at some
>>>> level, but most people I know who use spreadsheet software say that
>>>> LibreOffice is sorely lacking in the functionality they use daily.
>>>> Additionally, they say that the functionality it does provide is nowhere
>>>> near the level of Microsoft's.
>>>
>>> I'm denying it. I despise MicroCrap Office. Worthless bloatware.
>>>
>>> I used Calc in OpenOffice at work before LibreOffice ever existed. For my
>>> purposes it worked fine. Spreadsheets are overused for data purposes anyhow.
>>> If you want a database use a database software.
>>
>> Your opinion on spreadsheets and the software used to make them won't
>> sway people like my wife who calculates financial risk and needs to
>> report it to the investors. For people like her, Calc is not even up for
>> consideration because Microsoft's software is robust and has been
>> offering reliable service for decades. There were stronger competitors
>> to Excel than Calc in the past, competitors that had already made lots
>> of headway, and they too were left in the dust. It's not all because of
>> "shady business practises" either.
>
> I don't think "robustness" has anything to do with it. I think it comes down
> to what the others expect. It's basically a monopoly product and, as I
> mentioned with Windows, monopolies have an inertia loop that's hard for
> businesses to exit from. It has nothing to do with the supposed "quality" of
> the product — it has everything to do with "this is what we're used to
> using."

Well, I can tell you that there are certain advanced features people
need in Microsoft Office which seem to be unavailable to LibreOffice
users. Of course, they might just be somewhere else in the open suite,
like when I received a document with forms in .DOCX and had someone here
convert it to the equivalent in .ODT. At the same time, I don't use any
of the advanced features so LibreOffice has always been more than enough
for me. The only reason I use Microsoft's suite is because I got a
license for cheap. I can also use the 365 license I get from work for
free. Since I routinely receive documents from them to fill out, I have
no proper use for Libre.

> In my opinion M$ Office is bloated crapware that tries to "think" for you.
> But I was only occasionally forced to use it so I never got in stuck in the
> "inertia loop."

I would extend that to Windows itself too. The way it has implemented AI
makes it clear that they don't want you thinking. Of course, there are
certain places where I appreciate the AI like in Brave Search or Bing
Search. There, if there is a certain technological question like what is
the benefit of one monitor over another, the engine quickly scours the
web for information and summarizes the data for me. That is much easier
than navigating to a bunch of websites which cannon a series of ads at me.

> My wife uses Power Point. She originally used it because a template she
> purchased only worked with Power Point. Now she's used to using it, so
> she'll probably keep using it as long as she needs to prepare classes. Just
> the way it works. People use what they're used to using. Inertia.
>
> That's why so many still use the inferior Microsoft Windows crap OS.

I can't argue that habit plays a big part in what people choose to use.
At the same time, that's why I usually load Linux Mint for whatever user
I help: it's not that unfamiliar.

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CrudeSausage

Le 2024-12-23 à 01:30, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-22, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-22 à 01:06, rbowman a écrit :
>>> On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 05:25:09 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-12-21, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The reason they use Windows is because it runs Microsoft Office (and
>>>>>> businesses are "married" to this crap) and Microsoft's has leverage
>>>>>> with the computer manufacturers. Monopolies have a lot of inertia
>>>>>> that's hard to overcome. But you'll note that, for development
>>>>>> purposes, Microsoft is now including Linux in Windows. There's a
>>>>>> reason for that. And, as software moves to the "rental" phase and more
>>>>>> and more of the applications move to the "Cloud", there will be less
>>>>>> and less necessity to use Windows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> No purchasing manager was ever fired for specifying Microsoft.
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't bet on it.
>>>
>>> Leaving out the cloud I have to agree. Microsoft and the availability of
>>> Microsoft Certified Whatevers makes pointy headed bosses sleep better at
>>> night.
>>
>> It's the same argument as the one that was made as to why IBM won over
>> superior platforms in the 1980s. At the very least, anyone who suggests
>> Microsoft can't be reprimanded because the boss knows that they will be
>> able to find a ton of people who can use the well-known software as well
>> as a ton of techs who can troubleshoot it. Even if they can't afford
>> that staff, there is lots of help online for most problems if they
>> search for it. That doesn't mean that the operating system is
>> necessarily better; it simply means that businesses take a lot less risk
>> in choosing one over the other.
>>
>> I've always mentioned that I believe that in fields like education and
>> finance, everyone would be better off using open-source though. For
>> finance, you need a robust kernel and a filesystem which resists bit-rot
>> to keep those records. There shouldn't be a need to back up data daily
>> for fear that your records will corrupt (even though it is still clearly
>> smart to do so). Similarly, in education, if the public system desires
>> removing all financial barriers to learning, doesn't it make sense to
>> run an operating system which can be deployed to even the most
>> affordable hardware at no performance penalty and prioritize the use of
>> software which can be downloaded at no charge? I've actually asked this
>> many times in the past and the answer has always been that maintaining
>> the Linux servers is more costly and time-consuming to the technicians.
>> I imagine that it is because the slightest change in configuration
>> causes chaos across the board.
>
> First off, what happened to all those people who kept suggesting IBM was a
> "no brainer" when it sank?

By the time IBM sank, all of the standards they have introduced except
for PS/2 (for mice and keyboards) had already been abandoned.
Third-parties were already making better PCs than IBM was so suggesting
that company was no longer necessary. However, even if people chose to
suggest IBM anyway, they would have gotten ThinkPads which were
spectacular computers. Only the IBM hard disks became notoriously awful
by the end.

> Second, do you really think important databases run on MicroSlop? Windows
> might be the front-end, but I'm willing to bet that most corporations run
> SQL under Linux servers for their important records. You've heard of Oracle,
> right? (Not endorsing them, but they're the world's largest database
> company, I believe. They have their own "flavor" of Red Hat.)

I'm becoming increasingly aware of how ubiquitous Linux is. Clearly, it
has made inroads in areas where failure is not an option. I'm not
against using it again, especially if sticking to Windows introduces new
issues like the fTPM stuttering I mentioned before (I don't think Linux
necessarily resolves this issue as much as offers ways to circumvent it
which are not available to Windows users).

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CrudeSausage

Le 2024-12-23 à 03:28, rbowman a écrit :
> On Mon, 23 Dec 2024 06:04:16 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> My kids have tried to get me interested in some of the games they play.
>> The graphics are pretty impressive sometimes, but the games, themselves,
>> often seem kind of repetitious and boring. It seems like they're doing
>> the same thing, over and over again.
>
> I played a few I enjoyed. One of the Rainbow Six series, Call of Duty, and
> Gears of War. The 'open' types like GTA or Assassin's Creed didn't do
> anything for me. I guess I need more structure rather than wandering
> around trying to figure out what I'm supposed to do.

Funny enough, that's why I am not bothering to play more of Red Dead
Redemption 2 even though it is clearly a better game. I got to a point
which seems to give me the freedom to do whatever I want (which usually
also means endless conversations) so I uninstalled it until I eventually
have lots of time on my hands.

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CrudeSausage