Quite amusing to read this
<https://www.computerworld.com/article/3627584/that-new-copilot-key-on-your-keyboard-its-useless-for-business.html>:

“The Copilot key was originally intended to launch Copilot on Windows”

except that

“Copilot on Windows has been removed, and the Microsoft Copilot
app is now only available to consumer users who authenticate with
a Microsoft account”

and

“It will not work for commercial users authenticating with a
Microsoft Entra account.”

So the key still does something for consumer users, but it is now
completely nonfunctional for business users.

Sad fate for a key that was only added to keyboards less than a year
ago ...

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

>Quite amusing to read this
><https://www.computerworld.com/article/3627584/that-new-copilot-key-on-your-keyboard-its-useless-for-business.html>:
>
> “The Copilot key was originally intended to launch Copilot on Windows”
>
>except that
>
> “Copilot on Windows has been removed, and the Microsoft Copilot
> app is now only available to consumer users who authenticate with
> a Microsoft account”
>
>and
>
> “It will not work for commercial users authenticating with a
> Microsoft Entra account.”
>
>So the key still does something for consumer users, but it is now
>completely nonfunctional for business users.
>
>Sad fate for a key that was only added to keyboards less than a year
>ago ...

I have M$ Copilot as a Linux Web app. :D

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

>So the key still does something for consumer users, but it is now
>completely nonfunctional for business users.
>
>Sad fate for a key that was only added to keyboards less than a year
>ago ...

Beats running "copilot", possibly the most invasive spyware ever. The
answer to the question that nobody has asked.

--
"You have no reason whatsoever to doubt my word." - DumFSck, lying
shamelessly

Le 2024-12-18 à 23:45, chrisv a écrit :
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> So the key still does something for consumer users, but it is now
>> completely nonfunctional for business users.
>>
>> Sad fate for a key that was only added to keyboards less than a year
>> ago ...
>
> Beats running "copilot", possibly the most invasive spyware ever. The
> answer to the question that nobody has asked.

+1. However, after a few years with Co-Pilot, a lot of users are going
to find it impossible to use a computer without it. Once again, nobody
should underestimate how short-sighted people are and how willing they
are to have something else do their job for them. Once people get used
to having a machine document things for them, they will refuse to revert
to the old way of doing things. To give you an example, ask yourself how
many people nowadays actually remember the numbers of the people they
call all the time or basic facts about the world. They've relegated
those tasks to their smartphones and now wonderful why their long-term
memory is such shit.

--
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CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote at 13:51 this Thursday (GMT):
> Le 2024-12-18 à 23:45, chrisv a écrit :
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> So the key still does something for consumer users, but it is now
>>> completely nonfunctional for business users.
>>>
>>> Sad fate for a key that was only added to keyboards less than a year
>>> ago ...
>>
>> Beats running "copilot", possibly the most invasive spyware ever. The
>> answer to the question that nobody has asked.
>
> +1. However, after a few years with Co-Pilot, a lot of users are going
> to find it impossible to use a computer without it. Once again, nobody
> should underestimate how short-sighted people are and how willing they
> are to have something else do their job for them. Once people get used
> to having a machine document things for them, they will refuse to revert
> to the old way of doing things. To give you an example, ask yourself how
> many people nowadays actually remember the numbers of the people they
> call all the time or basic facts about the world. They've relegated
> those tasks to their smartphones and now wonderful why their long-term
> memory is such shit.

I actually try to memorize my immediate family's phone numbers, just in
case.
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On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 02:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> I actually try to memorize my immediate family's phone numbers, just in
> case.

I can't even remember my own phone number and if someone asks me for it
while I'm talking on the phone it tends to be a disaster.

A few years back we were developing a tablet app and I got a gmail account
for it. Last week I got email saying it hadn't been used in two years and
they were going to prune it. I managed to get through the password but
then it asked for a telephone number, showing the last two digits. It
might have been the number of a flip phone that died along with 3G. The
google 'how to recover an account' page basically said 'You're screwed.'

On 2024-12-21, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 02:00:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>
>> I actually try to memorize my immediate family's phone numbers, just in
>> case.
>
> I can't even remember my own phone number and if someone asks me for it
> while I'm talking on the phone it tends to be a disaster.

Same here. In the olden days, when you had to dial phones instead of
pressing a speed dial button, I probably had 20 numbers in my head. Now I
may have one or two — and usually not my own.

> A few years back we were developing a tablet app and I got a gmail account
> for it. Last week I got email saying it hadn't been used in two years and
> they were going to prune it. I managed to get through the password but
> then it asked for a telephone number, showing the last two digits. It
> might have been the number of a flip phone that died along with 3G. The
> google 'how to recover an account' page basically said 'You're screwed.'

Yeah, I lost the email I use in this newsgroup the same way. I had no idea
what phone I was using at the time I signed up for the account.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 07:52:11 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> Same here. In the olden days, when you had to dial phones instead of
> pressing a speed dial button, I probably had 20 numbers in my head. Now
> I may have one or two — and usually not my own.

AShley 2-5686. My uncle's was CEdar 7-4755. I can't remember when they
dropped exchange names.

They say it's the short term memory that goes first instead of useless
information from 70 years ago.

candycanearter07 wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote at 13:51 this Thursday (GMT):
>> Le 2024-12-18 à 23:45, chrisv a écrit :
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> So the key still does something for consumer users, but it is now
>>>> completely nonfunctional for business users.
>>>>
>>>> Sad fate for a key that was only added to keyboards less than a year
>>>> ago ...
>>>
>>> Beats running "copilot", possibly the most invasive spyware ever. The
>>> answer to the question that nobody has asked.
>>
>> +1. However, after a few years with Co-Pilot, a lot of users are going
>> to find it impossible to use a computer without it. Once again, nobody
>> should underestimate how short-sighted people are and how willing they
>> are to have something else do their job for them. Once people get used
>> to having a machine document things for them, they will refuse to revert
>> to the old way of doing things. To give you an example, ask yourself how
>> many people nowadays actually remember the numbers of the people they
>> call all the time or basic facts about the world. They've relegated
>> those tasks to their smartphones and now wonderful why their long-term
>> memory is such shit.
>
> I actually try to memorize my immediate family's phone numbers, just in
> case.

Microsoft-owned GitHub asks me to try Copilot :-D.

Uh no.

--
It was the office Christmas party and everyone was feeling Merry. So she got
mad and went home. So then they jumped for Joy.

rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 07:52:11 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> Same here. In the olden days, when you had to dial phones instead of
>> pressing a speed dial button, I probably had 20 numbers in my head. Now
>> I may have one or two — and usually not my own.
>
> AShley 2-5686. My uncle's was CEdar 7-4755. I can't remember when they
> dropped exchange names.
>
> They say it's the short term memory that goes first instead of useless
> information from 70 years ago.

Do you remember LSMFT? Anyway, here's a phone number I'll be reciting in my
death bed delirium:

HUdson three two seven hundred (in a deep bass voice)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97XfougGbiQ

Also Durafab:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQRBLVQoLLI

Ahhhh, the memories of growing up outside of Chicago (in Will County just
outside the south Cook County border, on a road with no name).

--
The worst part of valor is indiscretion.

Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote at 12:41 this Saturday (GMT):
> candycanearter07 wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>
>> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote at 13:51 this Thursday (GMT):
>>> Le 2024-12-18 à 23:45, chrisv a écrit :
>>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So the key still does something for consumer users, but it is now
>>>>> completely nonfunctional for business users.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sad fate for a key that was only added to keyboards less than a year
>>>>> ago ...
>>>>
>>>> Beats running "copilot", possibly the most invasive spyware ever. The
>>>> answer to the question that nobody has asked.
>>>
>>> +1. However, after a few years with Co-Pilot, a lot of users are going
>>> to find it impossible to use a computer without it. Once again, nobody
>>> should underestimate how short-sighted people are and how willing they
>>> are to have something else do their job for them. Once people get used
>>> to having a machine document things for them, they will refuse to revert
>>> to the old way of doing things. To give you an example, ask yourself how
>>> many people nowadays actually remember the numbers of the people they
>>> call all the time or basic facts about the world. They've relegated
>>> those tasks to their smartphones and now wonderful why their long-term
>>> memory is such shit.
>>
>> I actually try to memorize my immediate family's phone numbers, just in
>> case.
>
> Microsoft-owned GitHub asks me to try Copilot :-D.
>
> Uh no.

Yeah, I think they're just giving it out to everyone now.
--
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candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
wrote:
>Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote at 12:41 this Saturday (GMT):
>>
>> Microsoft-owned GitHub asks me to try Copilot :-D.
>>
>> Uh no.
>
>Yeah, I think they're just giving it out to everyone now.

It's useful to me because I can help it grow in experience, but I
didn't like Windows 11 adding it to the OS.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Le 21-12-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
> wrote:
>>Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote at 12:41 this Saturday (GMT):
>>>
>>> Microsoft-owned GitHub asks me to try Copilot :-D.
>>>
>>> Uh no.
>>
>>Yeah, I think they're just giving it out to everyone now.
>
>
> It's useful to me because I can help it grow in experience,

It's good for developers, but it has to be taken carefully:
<https://addyo.substack.com/p/the-70-problem-hard-truths-about>

It's not something I wrote, but it's something I came to the same
conclusion.

> but I didn't like Windows 11 adding it to the OS.

Why? The only reason I never used ChatGPT is because it asked me for an
account. And I don't want to give any personal information to an
unknown company. I never give personal information here (at least I
control the information I give). It's the reason you know nothing (or
almost nothing) about me. And it's the reason any time LP/NV/FR/whatever
switches the subject from his claims to me, I refuse to speak about it.

And don't think the reason you don't know more about me is because you
don't speak French. In the documents linked in my signature, you'll know
I'm living in Paris and I like to travel on my bike. Nothing more. You
can find out I have some friends or family in some cities, and find some
first names, but it'll be really difficult to identify someone. The most
information I gave is a street name in a city which have two streets
with the same name (or almost).

It's funny because I give my real name, but there is so many people with
the same name that it's like I'm anonymous. And if you see something
about someone with the same name, you'll never know if it's me or an
homonym. My email gives a little bit more information, but only to know
more precisely where I'm living.

I refuse to give Microsoft any personal information about me, but if I
already gave them personal information to have Windows, why should I be
concerned about copilot?

I'm not saying copilot is good: it takes open source code to make it
proprietary code. Which is something like evil. But the issue is not
between using it at home or using it on Microsoft website. The issue is
about using it. So, if I hate it, I don't understand the issue about
using it on github and not on your personal computer.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>Le 21-12-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
>> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
>> wrote:
>>>Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote at 12:41 this Saturday (GMT):
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft-owned GitHub asks me to try Copilot :-D.
>>>>
>>>> Uh no.
>>>
>>>Yeah, I think they're just giving it out to everyone now.
>>
>> It's useful to me because I can help it grow in experience,
>
>It's good for developers, but it has to be taken carefully:
><https://addyo.substack.com/p/the-70-problem-hard-truths-about>
>
>It's not something I wrote, but it's something I came to the same
>conclusion.
>
>> but I didn't like Windows 11 adding it to the OS.
>
>Why? The only reason I never used ChatGPT is because it asked me for an
>account. And I don't want to give any personal information to an
>unknown company. I never give personal information here (at least I
>control the information I give). It's the reason you know nothing (or
>almost nothing) about me. And it's the reason any time LP/NV/FR/whatever
>switches the subject from his claims to me, I refuse to speak about it.
>
>And don't think the reason you don't know more about me is because you
>don't speak French. In the documents linked in my signature, you'll know
>I'm living in Paris and I like to travel on my bike. Nothing more. You
>can find out I have some friends or family in some cities, and find some
>first names, but it'll be really difficult to identify someone. The most
>information I gave is a street name in a city which have two streets
>with the same name (or almost).
>
>It's funny because I give my real name, but there is so many people with
>the same name that it's like I'm anonymous. And if you see something
>about someone with the same name, you'll never know if it's me or an
>homonym. My email gives a little bit more information, but only to know
>more precisely where I'm living.
>
>I refuse to give Microsoft any personal information about me, but if I
>already gave them personal information to have Windows, why should I be
>concerned about copilot?
>
>I'm not saying copilot is good: it takes open source code to make it
>proprietary code. Which is something like evil. But the issue is not
>between using it at home or using it on Microsoft website. The issue is
>about using it. So, if I hate it, I don't understand the issue about
>using it on github and not on your personal computer.

I just take it for conversation about certain topics, centering on
technology.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

>I refuse to give Microsoft any personal information about me, but if I
>already gave them personal information to have Windows, why should I be
>concerned about copilot?

I think it's really odd that you won't sign up for a chatgpt account,
but are not concerned about copilot.

--
"This is a trite reaction you Linux weenies have when someone
highlights hobbyware issues. I've heard it for 12 years here on cola.
And it shows a serious amount of dishonesty on y'all's part." - some
dumb, seriously dishonest, fsck

Le 22-12-2024, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> a écrit :
> Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>>I refuse to give Microsoft any personal information about me, but if I
>>already gave them personal information to have Windows, why should I be
>>concerned about copilot?
>
> I think it's really odd that you won't sign up for a chatgpt account,
> but are not concerned about copilot.

I'm not saying I'm not concerned about copilot. I have no github account
for that reason. I'm saying I don't understand why using copilot on
github is good and using it on one's own computer is bad.

--
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https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 21:07 this Saturday (GMT):
> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
> wrote:
>>Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote at 12:41 this Saturday (GMT):
>>>
>>> Microsoft-owned GitHub asks me to try Copilot :-D.
>>>
>>> Uh no.
>>
>>Yeah, I think they're just giving it out to everyone now.
>
>
> It's useful to me because I can help it grow in experience, but I
> didn't like Windows 11 adding it to the OS.

I won't use it.
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candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
wrote:
>Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 21:07 this Saturday (GMT):
>> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
>> wrote:
>>>Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote at 12:41 this Saturday (GMT):
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft-owned GitHub asks me to try Copilot :-D.
>>>>
>>>> Uh no.
>>>
>>>Yeah, I think they're just giving it out to everyone now.
>>
>> It's useful to me because I can help it grow in experience, but I
>> didn't like Windows 11 adding it to the OS.
>
>I won't use it.

It's actually a very pleasant AI to converse with. But limited.
Clearly, there are more authoritative AI implementations than M$'s.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 12/21/24 4:53 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> ...
>
> And don't think the reason you don't know more about me is because you
> don't speak French. In the documents linked in my signature, you'll know
> I'm living in Paris and I like to travel on my bike. Nothing more.

TBH, I'd not bothered to look. But since you're in Citi, I'm very
tentatively being scheduled to be briefly back in Paris in late March.

I'm hoping on getting the time to see the rebuilt Notre Dame ... but if
the trip does come together, I'll try to remember to drop a note to see
if you have time/interest to meet up for a cup of coffee (perhaps
someplace in 7ème?).

FWIW, I've also been hoping to get back over to what's now the "Beefbar"
(8ème .. at 5 Rue Marbeuf) to see their Art Deco dining room again.

-hh