https://www.wired.com/story/2024-was-the-year-the-bottom-fell-out-of-the-
games-industry/

I'd seen a few articles but never paid much attention. RPI put a lot of
effort into their video game degree program and thought the spinoffs might
revitalize the upstate NY economy. I wonder if they missed the boat or if
the industry will spring back?

Linux: who really cares if games run on Linux? It's a serious OS for
serious people.

Le 2024-12-21 à 14:02, rbowman a écrit :
> https://www.wired.com/story/2024-was-the-year-the-bottom-fell-out-of-the-
> games-industry/
>
> I'd seen a few articles but never paid much attention. RPI put a lot of
> effort into their video game degree program and thought the spinoffs might
> revitalize the upstate NY economy. I wonder if they missed the boat or if
> the industry will spring back?
>
> Linux: who really cares if games run on Linux? It's a serious OS for
> serious people.

If it were a serious operating system for serious people, businesses and
academic institutions would be willing to run it, and invest in the
people necessary to troubleshoot it. Instead, both have realized that
its free cost does not result in savings of any kind because the
problems it causes often can't be resolved by even the most gifted of
technical staff. That's why they use Windows, even with the security issues.

--
CrudeSausage

On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 14:42:38 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:

>
> If it were a serious operating system for serious people, businesses and
> academic institutions would be willing to run it,
>

Hey. Hey, mutherfucker.

_I_ am an academic. I hold a Masters degree with three papers published
in peer-reviewed scientific journals. I am also on the adjunct faculty
of several community colleges.

_I_ also operate a highly successful business.

What OS do I use exclusively? "GNU/Linux" is the answer.

So "Fuck you!" and your imbecilic suppositions.

What do you do? What have you accomplished?

I asked: "What do you do? What have you accomplished?"

Huh? What?

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

You are a fucking loser that has no business commenting
on GNU/Linux, which is the greatest OS in the history of
technical man.

--
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

Le 21-12-2024, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :
>
> _I_ am an academic. I hold a Masters degree with three papers published
> in peer-reviewed scientific journals. I am also on the adjunct faculty
> of several community colleges.

Only in your dreams. You never gave any pointer to a publication you
did. I don't believe that.

> _I_ also operate a highly successful business.

What do you mean? You are living in an asylum, so you give medics a
purpose in life, OK, but nothing to be proud about.

> What OS do I use exclusively? "GNU/Linux" is the answer.

A limited version of it. You just managed to install its core programs,
but as you said, any time you need to access a website you rely on
Windows. There's nothing to be proud of.

And, by the way, you are answering to one of the two people you said are
trolls who should never have an answer. So, once again, you fail in your
own claims. They are only two, it should be easy to remember. Even for a
limited Windows aficionados like you. Mostly if you are the one pointing
to them. You really should try to understand what you are speaking of.
Your stupidity is too obvious.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

On 21 Dec 2024 22:09:04 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

>
> Only in your dreams.
>

Only in YOUR fucking dreams.

YOU are so far beneath me that you must look up to see
down.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

_I_ implement my own distro while the best that you can
accomplish is to install some standard junk -- and you haven't
the intelligence to realize it.

Get back on your knees, lackey. _I_ am the true master.
Don't ever forget that.

--
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
>On 21 Dec 2024 22:09:04 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> Only in your dreams.
>
>Only in YOUR fucking dreams.
>
>YOU are so far beneath me that you must look up to see
>down.
>
>Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
>
>_I_ implement my own distro while the best that you can
>accomplish is to install some standard junk -- and you haven't
>the intelligence to realize it.
>
>Get back on your knees, lackey. _I_ am the true master.
>Don't ever forget that.

Not even close. Stéphane is a very big guru, here, you are an
oddball.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-21, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> https://www.wired.com/story/2024-was-the-year-the-bottom-fell-out-of-the-
> games-industry/
>
> I'd seen a few articles but never paid much attention. RPI put a lot of
> effort into their video game degree program and thought the spinoffs might
> revitalize the upstate NY economy. I wonder if they missed the boat or if
> the industry will spring back?
>
> Linux: who really cares if games run on Linux? It's a serious OS for
> serious people.

I dont care about games, but a lot of people do.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-21 à 14:02, rbowman a écrit :
>> https://www.wired.com/story/2024-was-the-year-the-bottom-fell-out-of-the-
>> games-industry/
>>
>> I'd seen a few articles but never paid much attention. RPI put a lot of
>> effort into their video game degree program and thought the spinoffs might
>> revitalize the upstate NY economy. I wonder if they missed the boat or if
>> the industry will spring back?
>>
>> Linux: who really cares if games run on Linux? It's a serious OS for
>> serious people.
>
> If it were a serious operating system for serious people, businesses and
> academic institutions would be willing to run it, and invest in the
> people necessary to troubleshoot it. Instead, both have realized that
> its free cost does not result in savings of any kind because the
> problems it causes often can't be resolved by even the most gifted of
> technical staff. That's why they use Windows, even with the security issues.

The reason they use Windows is because it runs Microsoft Office (and
businesses are "married" to this crap) and Microsoft's has leverage with the
computer manufacturers. Monopolies have a lot of inertia that's hard to
overcome. But you'll note that, for development purposes, Microsoft is now
including Linux in Windows. There's a reason for that. And, as software
moves to the "rental" phase and more and more of the applications move to
the "Cloud", there will be less and less necessity to use Windows.

It will take a while though.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:

> The reason they use Windows is because it runs Microsoft Office (and
> businesses are "married" to this crap) and Microsoft's has leverage with the
> computer manufacturers. Monopolies have a lot of inertia that's hard to
> overcome. But you'll note that, for development purposes, Microsoft is now
> including Linux in Windows. There's a reason for that. And, as software
> moves to the "rental" phase and more and more of the applications move to
> the "Cloud", there will be less and less necessity to use Windows.
>

No purchasing manager was ever fired for specifying Microsoft.

--
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snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The reason they use Windows is because it runs Microsoft Office (and
>> businesses are "married" to this crap) and Microsoft's has leverage with the
>> computer manufacturers. Monopolies have a lot of inertia that's hard to
>> overcome. But you'll note that, for development purposes, Microsoft is now
>> including Linux in Windows. There's a reason for that. And, as software
>> moves to the "rental" phase and more and more of the applications move to
>> the "Cloud", there will be less and less necessity to use Windows.
>
>No purchasing manager was ever fired for specifying Microsoft.

People will boot Win11 (or 10) if they need certain apps, it is
inclusive of M$ Office, but there's no question that Linux better
supports anything less than the high end, when you look at what it
really takes to run it. Microsoft just says "well, virtual memory
will handle the excesses on smaller systems".

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Le 2024-12-21 à 17:36, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-21 à 14:02, rbowman a écrit :
>>> https://www.wired.com/story/2024-was-the-year-the-bottom-fell-out-of-the-
>>> games-industry/
>>>
>>> I'd seen a few articles but never paid much attention. RPI put a lot of
>>> effort into their video game degree program and thought the spinoffs might
>>> revitalize the upstate NY economy. I wonder if they missed the boat or if
>>> the industry will spring back?
>>>
>>> Linux: who really cares if games run on Linux? It's a serious OS for
>>> serious people.
>>
>> If it were a serious operating system for serious people, businesses and
>> academic institutions would be willing to run it, and invest in the
>> people necessary to troubleshoot it. Instead, both have realized that
>> its free cost does not result in savings of any kind because the
>> problems it causes often can't be resolved by even the most gifted of
>> technical staff. That's why they use Windows, even with the security issues.
>
> The reason they use Windows is because it runs Microsoft Office (and
> businesses are "married" to this crap)

They do use Microsoft Office but there is no denying that it is superior
to what's available to Linux. Perhaps WPS Office can compete at some
level, but most people I know who use spreadsheet software say that
LibreOffice is sorely lacking in the functionality they use daily.
Additionally, they say that the functionality it does provide is nowhere
near the level of Microsoft's.

> and Microsoft's has leverage with the
> computer manufacturers.

All of the blackmail of the early years worked wonders here, I'm sure.
Until the late 90s, competitors had much better software than what
Microsoft was selling but it didn't matter because of how strongly
Microsoft tied those companies to its products in the 80s.

> Monopolies have a lot of inertia that's hard to
> overcome. But you'll note that, for development purposes, Microsoft is now
> including Linux in Windows. There's a reason for that. And, as software
> moves to the "rental" phase and more and more of the applications move to
> the "Cloud", there will be less and less necessity to use Windows.
>
> It will take a while though.

I'm sure that Linux is better for development. It has to be. However,
all the programmers I know love to use Microsoft's tools including .net
and DirectX. I have say to hear one programmer tell me that he enjoys or
wants to program in Linux. I'm not saying that it can't be done; I'm
saying they appreciate how easy Microsoft makes it.

--
CrudeSausage

On 21 Dec 2024 19:02:35 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in
<lsohmbFpkocU3@mid.individual.net>:

> https://www.wired.com/story/2024-was-the-year-the-bottom-fell-out-of-
the-
> games-industry/
>
> I'd seen a few articles but never paid much attention. RPI put a lot of
> effort into their video game degree program and thought the spinoffs
> might revitalize the upstate NY economy. I wonder if they missed the
> boat or if the industry will spring back?
>
> Linux: who really cares if games run on Linux? It's a serious OS for
> serious people.

One of the best ways to really crank on a kernel is to run a game.

And: All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

Some people stare at the boob toob. Some people game, which uses
the brain cells a bit more.

I play Elite Dangerous on Linux, which has just finished up a
banner year. I know that's the exception rather than the rule,
but a lot of players came back because of the new "Power Play 2.0"
that was added to the game recently. And the final Thargoid
mothership -- which took up station over Earth and was menacing
the Sol system -- is now no more.

Fly dangerous!

--
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
OS: Linux 6.12.6 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"If at first you don't succeed, work for Microsoft."

CrudeSausage wrote:

> (idiocy snipped)

Really? What does the NYSE run?

--
"You call Snit a liar for making a claim nearly identical to your own
claim." - DumFSck, lying shamelessly

vallor wrote:

>Some people stare at the boob toob. Some people game, which uses
>the brain cells a bit more.

What? Don't you know that there's a "right way" to live life? People
don't need freedom and choice! /s

--
"That's what you said:" - DumFSck, lying shamelessly, after which he
quoted what I really said. Nice of him, to document his own *lie*.

On 12/21/24 2:43 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 14:42:38 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>>
>> If it were a serious operating system for serious people, businesses and
>> academic institutions would be willing to run it,
>>
>
> Hey. Hey, mutherfucker.
>
> _I_ am an academic. I hold a Masters degree with three papers published
> in peer-reviewed scientific journals. I am also on the adjunct faculty
> of several community colleges.
>
> _I_ also operate a highly successful business.
>
> What OS do I use exclusively? "GNU/Linux" is the answer.
>
> So "Fuck you!" and your imbecilic suppositions.
>
> What do you do? What have you accomplished?
>
> I asked: "What do you do? What have you accomplished?"
>
> Huh? What?
>
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
>
> You are a fucking loser that has no business commenting
> on GNU/Linux, which is the greatest OS in the history of
> technical man.
>
>

He is a moron. For some reason morons end up teaching language for
people who do not speak it (you can't wonder why). And since I've been
among them in the past, literally _all_ of them fail the yearly exams to
extend their teaching certificates, but states are lenient on them and
provide loopholes for them to continue teaching.

In the United States, they teach English and Spanish either in high
schools or in private businesses. All of them are morons!

On 12/21/2024 3:43 PM, Farley Flud wrote:

> Hey. Hey, mutherfucker.
>
> _I_ am an academic.

without a fucking clue

* "if a number is in set A (prime) it cannot be in set ~B (even
numbers)."

doubling down later that same day:

* "if a number is prime could it be even? The answer is 'no'"

You're fired, innumerate idiot.

On 12/21/2024 5:20 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
> On 21 Dec 2024 22:09:04 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>>
>> Only in your dreams.
>>
>
> Only in YOUR fucking dreams.
>
> YOU are so far beneath me that you must look up to see
> down.
>
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
>
> _I_ implement my own distro

Your "boot script" was stolen from LFS.

The kernel, compiler and packages were ALL written by someone else.

gcc and Python do the compilation and installation.

What did you create, that makes it your distro?

On 2024-12-21, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The reason they use Windows is because it runs Microsoft Office (and
>> businesses are "married" to this crap) and Microsoft's has leverage with the
>> computer manufacturers. Monopolies have a lot of inertia that's hard to
>> overcome. But you'll note that, for development purposes, Microsoft is now
>> including Linux in Windows. There's a reason for that. And, as software
>> moves to the "rental" phase and more and more of the applications move to
>> the "Cloud", there will be less and less necessity to use Windows.
>>
>
> No purchasing manager was ever fired for specifying Microsoft.

I wouldn't bet on it.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-21 à 17:36, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-21, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-21 à 14:02, rbowman a écrit :
>>>> https://www.wired.com/story/2024-was-the-year-the-bottom-fell-out-of-the-
>>>> games-industry/
>>>>
>>>> I'd seen a few articles but never paid much attention. RPI put a lot of
>>>> effort into their video game degree program and thought the spinoffs might
>>>> revitalize the upstate NY economy. I wonder if they missed the boat or if
>>>> the industry will spring back?
>>>>
>>>> Linux: who really cares if games run on Linux? It's a serious OS for
>>>> serious people.
>>>
>>> If it were a serious operating system for serious people, businesses and
>>> academic institutions would be willing to run it, and invest in the
>>> people necessary to troubleshoot it. Instead, both have realized that
>>> its free cost does not result in savings of any kind because the
>>> problems it causes often can't be resolved by even the most gifted of
>>> technical staff. That's why they use Windows, even with the security issues.
>>
>> The reason they use Windows is because it runs Microsoft Office (and
>> businesses are "married" to this crap)
>
> They do use Microsoft Office but there is no denying that it is superior
> to what's available to Linux. Perhaps WPS Office can compete at some
> level, but most people I know who use spreadsheet software say that
> LibreOffice is sorely lacking in the functionality they use daily.
> Additionally, they say that the functionality it does provide is nowhere
> near the level of Microsoft's.

I'm denying it. I despise MicroCrap Office. Worthless bloatware.

I used Calc in OpenOffice at work before LibreOffice ever existed. For my
purposes it worked fine. Spreadsheets are overused for data purposes anyhow.
If you want a database use a database software.

>> and Microsoft's has leverage with the
>> computer manufacturers.
>
> All of the blackmail of the early years worked wonders here, I'm sure.
> Until the late 90s, competitors had much better software than what
> Microsoft was selling but it didn't matter because of how strongly
> Microsoft tied those companies to its products in the 80s.

Yep.

>> Monopolies have a lot of inertia that's hard to
>> overcome. But you'll note that, for development purposes, Microsoft is now
>> including Linux in Windows. There's a reason for that. And, as software
>> moves to the "rental" phase and more and more of the applications move to
>> the "Cloud", there will be less and less necessity to use Windows.
>>
>> It will take a while though.
>
> I'm sure that Linux is better for development. It has to be. However,
> all the programmers I know love to use Microsoft's tools including .net
> and DirectX. I have say to hear one programmer tell me that he enjoys or
> wants to program in Linux. I'm not saying that it can't be done; I'm
> saying they appreciate how easy Microsoft makes it.

My brother programs Windows applications. He despises .NET and DirectX. He
liked Visual C++ when it was the "go to" development tool.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 05:30:20 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> My brother programs Windows applications. He despises .NET and DirectX.
> He liked Visual C++ when it was the "go to" development tool.

Peter Norton single handily wrote a library full of programming books so I
don't remember the exact titles but he was not a VC++/MFC fan to the point
where he used C in the book. MFC itself was a wrapper on the API so the
difference was mostly you had to handle the 'this' parameter when calling
the functions.

In the preface to an edition that was published when C# was becoming more
popular he said Microsoft had finally done it right. I am not a fan of VC+
+. I'm not current with the language but C++ itself was no picnic and
Microsoft's extensions didn't help. afx my ass.

On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 05:25:09 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> On 2024-12-21, Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
>> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The reason they use Windows is because it runs Microsoft Office (and
>>> businesses are "married" to this crap) and Microsoft's has leverage
>>> with the computer manufacturers. Monopolies have a lot of inertia
>>> that's hard to overcome. But you'll note that, for development
>>> purposes, Microsoft is now including Linux in Windows. There's a
>>> reason for that. And, as software moves to the "rental" phase and more
>>> and more of the applications move to the "Cloud", there will be less
>>> and less necessity to use Windows.
>>>
>>>
>> No purchasing manager was ever fired for specifying Microsoft.
>
> I wouldn't bet on it.

Leaving out the cloud I have to agree. Microsoft and the availability of
Microsoft Certified Whatevers makes pointy headed bosses sleep better at
night.

On 2024-12-22, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 05:30:20 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> My brother programs Windows applications. He despises .NET and DirectX.
>> He liked Visual C++ when it was the "go to" development tool.
>
> Peter Norton single handily wrote a library full of programming books so I
> don't remember the exact titles but he was not a VC++/MFC fan to the point
> where he used C in the book. MFC itself was a wrapper on the API so the
> difference was mostly you had to handle the 'this' parameter when calling
> the functions.
>
> In the preface to an edition that was published when C# was becoming more
> popular he said Microsoft had finally done it right. I am not a fan of VC+
> +. I'm not current with the language but C++ itself was no picnic and
> Microsoft's extensions didn't help. afx my ass.

I know nothing about programming. I'm pretty sure, though, that it was
Visual C++ that my brother liked the most. I know for certain that he
doesn't like the newest Microsoft stuff. He says it's crap.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On Sun, 22 Dec 2024 08:33:46 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> I know nothing about programming. I'm pretty sure, though, that it was
> Visual C++ that my brother liked the most. I know for certain that he
> doesn't like the newest Microsoft stuff. He says it's crap.

Some is. I never warmed up to WPF and xaml and used Winforms for any GUIs
I had to do. Microsoft would dearly love to kill Winforms but there is too
much popular support. However ASP.NET which is the back end server part is
much cleaner in C#. Some of the bad taste for C++ involves WCF which is a
huge, sprawling pile of SOAP crap.

Thanks for your answer, my FAI didn't show me his message and without it
I would have missed this masterpiece of buffoonery.

Le 21-12-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
> Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
>>On 21 Dec 2024 22:09:04 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>
>>> Only in your dreams.
>>
>>Only in YOUR fucking dreams.

It's poor, you can do better.

>>YOU are so far beneath me that you must look up to see
>>down.

That's better.

>>_I_ implement my own distro while the best that you can
>>accomplish is to install some standard junk -- and you haven't
>>the intelligence to realize it.

Failing to install fully Gentoo doesn't mean you implement your own
distro. It means you need to use Windows to access Internet. The only
reason you are able to install Windows completely is because it doesn't
let you stop to install it halfway. And probably, the only reason you
manage to use Windows at all is because it was already installed and you
hadn't anything to do.

>>Get back on your knees, lackey.

I do what I want. I'm not ready to go on my knees before you. But I
can throw you some peanuts if you want. That, I can manage. Or I can
throw a stick for you to fetch. I can manage that too.

>> _I_ am the true master.

Start by mastering the basics of Internet access with Linux, and we'll
see for more difficult tasks in a second step. And then start by
learning how insult people when it's your only argument. Because you
sent only two or three good insults on all of your messages.

>>Don't ever forget that.

I don't. You remind me how any easy task in Linux starts to be a highly
difficult chalenge when you try it, in all of your messages.

> Not even close. Stéphane is a very big guru, here, you are an
> oddball.

Euh, no. I'm not a guru. I know really big gurus and I'm far from being
one of them.

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Le 21-12-2024, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> a écrit :
>
> And: All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.

Agreed. Now, a computer is not mandatory to play. There are other
possibilities.

--
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