-hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On 12/18/24 9:23 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>> <who cares?>
>
> Linux's lightweight OS characteristics make it quite suitable for any
> old hardware which it can run on, particularly when the user
> expectations are basic (eg, web surfing, email, newsgroups).

You left out audio/video/photo editing, screen-casting, software development,
painting, MIDI, pen-testing, servers of all kinds, ...

Much of with is manageable on old hardware, as well.

Years ago I installed Linux on a single-core Acer laptop. I could run
SolidWorks on it in a VM on that little shit-box. It was my main laptop before
the Corporation started handing out decent hardware.

--
There cannot be a crisis next week. My schedule is already full.
-- Henry Kissinger

Le 2024-12-18 à 12:58, Joel a écrit :
> Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 12:16:41 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> As much as I criticize the operating system, I am grateful
>>> for its existence because it keeps a lot of hardware (and the many
>>> chemicals used in producing them) out of landfills.
>>
>> YOU should be in a fucking landfill.
>>
>> Your useless comments emanate from a totally obsolete and thoroughly
>> ignorant mentality.
>>
>> IOW, you are a fucking idiot.
>
>
> Microsoft has effectively told the public, go ahead and make Linux the
> de facto standard. They don't support a sufficient number of
> machines, with Win10 (and soon to be 11+).

I was just insulted by a grown man who lives in his mom's basement. I'm
in horrible pain, I assure you.

--
CrudeSausage

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 08:21:49 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Just ask any corporate IT tech about the stupidity of the Windows users
> he/she must deal with.

https://www.theregister.com/2024/12/13/bofh_2024_episode_23/?td=rt-4a

I enjoy ElReg's BOFH episodes.

Acronyms:

BOFH Bastard Operator From Hell
PFY Pimply faced youth

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 08:46:55 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:

> Le 2024-12-18 à 00:58, Lawrence D'Oliveiro a écrit :
>
>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 17:40:00 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> No businessman wants to be told that they need to edit
>>> /etc/default/grub or that they need to go into the command line to
>>> change some hidden file ...
>>
>> No businessman wants to do their own servicing of their car, either.
>> They go to experts to get that done. Same with servicing their
>> computers.
>
> The problem is that the "experts" servicing their computers are often
> low-pay ...

That’s their choice: go to a reputable firm or a cut-price one. You get
what you pay for. That’s how free-market competition works.

On 12/18/24 1:31 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> -hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>
>> On 12/18/24 9:23 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>> <who cares?>
>>
>> Linux's lightweight OS characteristics make it quite suitable for any
>> old hardware which it can run on, particularly when the user
>> expectations are basic (eg, web surfing, email, newsgroups).
>
> You left out audio/video/photo editing, screen-casting, software development,
> painting, MIDI, pen-testing, servers of all kinds, ...

Sure, because most users leave those out too, as the primary use case
that this is about are hand-me-downs.

> Much of with is manageable on old hardware, as well.

Contingent on just what level of task which one is asking to do: old
hadware can render 640 by 480 video without being too slow in the UI,
but to do 4K editing within the same day is beyond the hardware's
capability, regardless of OS. Sure, one may get to "but it will run!"
but the workflow is a {fix a frame & let it run overnight} crawl.

> Years ago I installed Linux on a single-core Acer laptop. I could run
> SolidWorks on it in a VM on that little shit-box. It was my main laptop before
> the Corporation started handing out decent hardware.

A Single core CPU would be more like "decades ago", as I can recall
having a dual core CPU back in 2006.

And its not merely that some software could be made to run: the
question was how long to render the project, and for the likes of
Solidworks, doing how many discrete points in the mesh.

As I'd mentioned a week or two back, I had a FEA team working on a hot
project where the workstations would crash every ~4 days of runtime.

-hh

CrudeSausage wrote:

>Microsoft has no obligation to allow people to get a
>decade worth of usage from their computers and they are free to use
>Linux is buying new hardware bothers them that much.

I tend to agree, that the TPMS requirementfor Win11 is not such a bad
thing.

I thought that I once read that M$ would offer, for a fee, extended
Win10 security updates for those who want to keep their old hardware
viable. That would be a reasonable solution to the problem.

--
advocate: It's all part of the web of lies and hypocrisy that [the
cola trolls] use, to attack advocates of software freedom.

DumFSck, lying shamelessly: Quit lying.

chrisv wrote:

>I tend to agree, that the TPMS requirement for Win11 is not such a bad
>thing.

s/TPMS/TPM/

Can you tell that I recently bought some new tires for my car?

--
"In a world in which MS Windows exists, there is literally NO REASON
to run Linux on your desktop." - some dumb fsck, lying shamelessly

Le 2024-12-18 à 16:20, chrisv a écrit :
> CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> Microsoft has no obligation to allow people to get a
>> decade worth of usage from their computers and they are free to use
>> Linux is buying new hardware bothers them that much.
>
> I tend to agree, that the TPMS requirementfor Win11 is not such a bad
> thing.
>
> I thought that I once read that M$ would offer, for a fee, extended
> Win10 security updates for those who want to keep their old hardware
> viable. That would be a reasonable solution to the problem.

They're going ahead with it and will charge a small fee that only
increases with each passing year. Owners of 2018 machines offended that
Microsoft won't support their seven-year-old hardware in Windows 11 will
still be able to get nine years of support out of their purchase if they
agree to pay. After that, they're free to use Linux or buy new hardware.

It sucks, but I recall paying a ton of money for a new computer in 1991
that was already grossly outdated by 1992. Back then, technology moved
forward and you had no choice but to upgrade to move forward with it.
That Microsoft manages ten years of support per operating system is
already more than than Apple provides and way more than any company was
willing to offer back in the 90s. Sure, it's not as good as Linux but
that doesn't even matter.

--
CrudeSausage

Le 2024-12-18 à 16:27, chrisv a écrit :
> chrisv wrote:
>
>> I tend to agree, that the TPMS requirement for Win11 is not such a bad
>> thing.
>
> s/TPMS/TPM/
>
> Can you tell that I recently bought some new tires for my car?
>

I do have to mention that I have a few gripes about TPM though, on AMD
systems at least. Periodically, fTPM causes your computer's sound to
stutter. It's rather annoying and AMD has admitted to the problem but
offered no real solution to it for laptop users. I thought Linux would
allow me to escape that crap but it looks like it affects that too
<https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-issues-fix-and-workaround-for-ftpm-stuttering-issues>

--
CrudeSausage

On 12/18/24 4:27 PM, chrisv wrote:
> chrisv wrote:
>
>> I tend to agree, that the TPMS requirement for Win11 is not such a bad
>> thing.
>
> s/TPMS/TPM/
>
> Can you tell that I recently bought some new tires for my car?
>

Should have said you were in the market, for I have a set of dedicated
snows on four rims that I'm looking to sell: 18” x 8" BBS SR's (bolt
pattern 5 x 112mm), complete with TPMS sensors & 235/60R18 Continental
Viking Contact 7 snow tires w/good tread.

-hh

On 12/18/24 11:34 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
> There is no "weight" to GNU/Linux. It can be configured to do
> anything and everything and to do it better than anything else.

"Configure" it to do print head cleaning for canon pixma 2522 printer if
you can :)

If you get at it, and do not give up no matter what, you'll end up
ditching Linux, not the printer :-)

-hh wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>> chrisv wrote:
>>
>>> I tend to agree, that the TPMS requirement for Win11 is not such a bad
>>> thing.
>>
>> s/TPMS/TPM/
>>
>> Can you tell that I recently bought some new tires for my car?
>
>Should have said you were in the market, for I have a set of dedicated
>snows on four rims that I'm looking to sell: 18” x 8" BBS SR's (bolt
>pattern 5 x 112mm), complete with TPMS sensors & 235/60R18 Continental
>Viking Contact 7 snow tires w/good tread.

Shipping those would be expensive... The wheels would fit, I think,
but the the 60 profile is taller than my 45's. From an SUV, I would
assume.

I went with Michelin X-Ice tires, breaking from many years of running
Dunlop Winter Sports.

--
"COLA losers like chrisv detest success of any kind. It's as simple
as that." - Hadron Quark, lying shamelessly

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 15:27:54 -0600, chrisv wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>
>>I tend to agree, that the TPMS requirement for Win11 is not such a bad
>>thing.
>
> s/TPMS/TPM/
>
> Can you tell that I recently bought some new tires for my car?

Great feature! The wheels my winter tires are mounted on don't have
sensors so I learn to live with the little orange icon. No problem. I
learned to use a pressure gauge a long time ago although I finally went
digital. It was hard to get 35.3 psi exactly with the old stick gauges :)
Another instance of digital stuff telling fairy tales.

On 2024-12-18, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-18 à 06:29, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 16:12, RonB a écrit :
>>>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 11:23, vallor a écrit :
>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 08:51:12 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> <Ck2dnSLtXetyAPz6nZ2dnZfqn_sAAAAA@giganews.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> vallor wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 05:56:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
>>>>>>>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vjr3qj$1it5e$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 17 Dec 2024 05:09:30 GMT, vallor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's almost as if Microsoft has decided its customers are now its
>>>>>>>>>> beta-testers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You mean, you just discovered? Some of us noticed this happening years
>>>>>>>>> ago.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They're more overt about it now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's too bad that anti-trust enforcement is so defanged in our
>>>>>>>> government. The whole "TPM 2 for Windows 11" thing is screwing up the
>>>>>>>> marketplace.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> my market place is fine
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your computer is new enough to have TPM 2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some folks aren't so lucky...
>>>>>
>>>>> Those who don't have TPM 2 are free to use Linux or buy a new computer.
>>>>
>>>> Which is what a lot of them will probably do (either that or keep running
>>>> older versions of Windows). Mac users are finding new lives for their old
>>>> (unsupported) computers using Linux.
>>>
>>> I don't believe that the majority of people whose computers are about to
>>> become obsolete even know that Linux exists, much less know how to
>>> install it. It's sad but people nowadays are very uninformed and
>>> resistant to learn even the simplest things.
>>
>> I sometimes follow the Mac subReddit (less so now than before) and I see
>> quite a few Mac users (who've usually bought a new Mac) asking what should
>> they do with their old one. They're either told to put OpenCore on it and
>> update to a supported version of Mac OS (which won't be an option soon on
>> Intel Macs) or install Linux. A lot of them go the Linux route.
>>
>> That said, I realize that the majority of Mac users aren't taking part in
>> the Mac subReddit. Linux runs pretty well on my old 2014 Mac Mini. Though,
>> usually, when I go to the Mac Mini, I'm trying out something on Mac side of
>> the computer, not the Linux one.
>
> A co-worker of mine last year decided to buy an old Mac from around 2013
> after the seller promised him that he would be able to run the latest
> version of MacOS. He got exactly that, but the computer was unbearably
> slow. Linux is truly the greater option on old Macs, and that's what I
> installed on the 2012 one I just gave away to my wife's faggot friend.

My Mac Mini is a 2012 (6.1, I had it wrong in an earlier post) but I've got
two SSDs in it (no hard drive) and 16 GBs of RAM, so it runs relatively fast
(fast enough for what I do with it, at any rate). I believe it's a 3rd
generation, (i5-3210M dual core CPU, with an Intel 4000 GPU) four
threads, a little older than my Latitude E7450 and E7440, which are also
have dual core Intel CPUs with four threads, and similar Intel GPUs.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

-hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On 12/18/24 1:31 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> -hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>
>>> On 12/18/24 9:23 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <who cares?>
>>>
>>> Linux's lightweight OS characteristics make it quite suitable for any
>>> old hardware which it can run on, particularly when the user
>>> expectations are basic (eg, web surfing, email, newsgroups).
>>
>> You left out audio/video/photo editing, screen-casting, software development,
>> painting, MIDI, pen-testing, servers of all kinds, ...
>
> Sure, because most users leave those out too, as the primary use case
> that this is about are hand-me-downs.
>
>> Much of with is manageable on old hardware, as well.
>
> Contingent on just what level of task which one is asking to do: old
> hadware can render 640 by 480 video without being too slow in the UI,
> but to do 4K editing within the same day is beyond the hardware's
> capability, regardless of OS. Sure, one may get to "but it will run!"
> but the workflow is a {fix a frame & let it run overnight} crawl.
>
>> Years ago I installed Linux on a single-core Acer laptop. I could run
>> SolidWorks on it in a VM on that little shit-box. It was my main laptop before
>> the Corporation started handing out decent hardware.
>
> A Single core CPU would be more like "decades ago", as I can recall
> having a dual core CPU back in 2006.

I bought the single-core because it was cheap, especially with the Office Depot
discount.

> And its not merely that some software could be made to run: the
> question was how long to render the project, and for the likes of
> Solidworks, doing how many discrete points in the mesh.
>
> As I'd mentioned a week or two back, I had a FEA team working on a hot
> project where the workstations would crash every ~4 days of runtime.

Bully for you.

--
CCI Power 6/40: one board, a megabyte of cache, and an attitude...

Le 2024-12-18 à 23:41, chrisv a écrit :
> -hh wrote:
>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>>> I tend to agree, that the TPMS requirement for Win11 is not such a bad
>>>> thing.
>>>
>>> s/TPMS/TPM/
>>>
>>> Can you tell that I recently bought some new tires for my car?
>>
>> Should have said you were in the market, for I have a set of dedicated
>> snows on four rims that I'm looking to sell: 18” x 8" BBS SR's (bolt
>> pattern 5 x 112mm), complete with TPMS sensors & 235/60R18 Continental
>> Viking Contact 7 snow tires w/good tread.
>
> Shipping those would be expensive... The wheels would fit, I think,
> but the the 60 profile is taller than my 45's. From an SUV, I would
> assume.
>
> I went with Michelin X-Ice tires, breaking from many years of running
> Dunlop Winter Sports.

My previous QX60 had Michelin X-Ice and they were wonderful. For the
longest time, they were the top-rated winter tires and have only
recently been surpassed by Toyo's offering. I wanted the same thing on
my new vehicle but they only had a choice of either Continental or
Yokohama. Since Continental is the absolute worst garbage I've ever
owned (bubbles form on the side of the tires after about 15,000km), you
can imagine what I purchased.

--
CrudeSausage

On 12/19/24 8:48 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> Le 2024-12-18 à 23:41, chrisv a écrit :
>> -hh wrote:
>>
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I tend to agree, that the TPMS requirement for Win11 is not such a bad
>>>>> thing.
>>>>
>>>> s/TPMS/TPM/
>>>>
>>>> Can you tell that I recently bought some new tires for my car?
>>>
>>> Should have said you were in the market, for I have a set of dedicated
>>> snows on four rims that I'm looking to sell: 18” x 8" BBS SR's (bolt
>>> pattern 5 x 112mm), complete with TPMS sensors & 235/60R18 Continental
>>> Viking Contact 7 snow tires w/good tread.
>>
>> Shipping those would be expensive...  The wheels would fit, I think,
>> but the the 60 profile is taller than my 45's.  From an SUV, I would
>> assume.

Shipping could be costly, but you're in FIOS land, so it geographically
wouldn't necessarily be too far of a drive, especially if we split it.
And yes, these are SUV; I'd moved along the sedan set a few years back.

>> I went with Michelin X-Ice tires, breaking from many years of running
>> Dunlop Winter Sports.
>
> My previous QX60 had Michelin X-Ice and they were wonderful. For the
> longest time, they were the top-rated winter tires and have only
> recently been surpassed by Toyo's offering. I wanted the same thing on
> my new vehicle but they only had a choice of either Continental or
> Yokohama. Since Continental is the absolute worst garbage I've ever
> owned (bubbles form on the side of the tires after about 15,000km), you
> can imagine what I purchased.

My preferences for winter snows has long been Vredstein, but the family
shop that I'd been using for decades couldn't get them in stock during
CoVid when I last needed to buy a replacement set, so I settled on the
Continentals. Conti is an okay provider...given sufficient years, one
can probably find some complaint about most any of them - - case in
point, I've had good success with Michelin, but ten years ago, I had a
horrible time with a set which had a loud harmonic vibration which
occurred only at my preferred long distance highway cruising speed.

-hh

Le 2024-12-19 à 16:07, -hh a écrit :
> On 12/19/24 8:48 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-18 à 23:41, chrisv a écrit :
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>
>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I tend to agree, that the TPMS requirement for Win11 is not such a
>>>>>> bad
>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> s/TPMS/TPM/
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you tell that I recently bought some new tires for my car?
>>>>
>>>> Should have said you were in the market, for I have a set of dedicated
>>>> snows on four rims that I'm looking to sell: 18” x 8" BBS SR's (bolt
>>>> pattern 5 x 112mm), complete with TPMS sensors & 235/60R18 Continental
>>>> Viking Contact 7 snow tires w/good tread.
>>>
>>> Shipping those would be expensive...  The wheels would fit, I think,
>>> but the the 60 profile is taller than my 45's.  From an SUV, I would
>>> assume.
>
> Shipping could be costly, but you're in FIOS land, so it geographically
> wouldn't necessarily be too far of a drive, especially if we split it.
> And yes, these are SUV; I'd moved along the sedan set a few years back.
>
>
>>> I went with Michelin X-Ice tires, breaking from many years of running
>>> Dunlop Winter Sports.
>>
>> My previous QX60 had Michelin X-Ice and they were wonderful. For the
>> longest time, they were the top-rated winter tires and have only
>> recently been surpassed by Toyo's offering. I wanted the same thing on
>> my new vehicle but they only had a choice of either Continental or
>> Yokohama. Since Continental is the absolute worst garbage I've ever
>> owned (bubbles form on the side of the tires after about 15,000km),
>> you can imagine what I purchased.
>
> My preferences for winter snows has long been Vredstein, but the family
> shop that I'd been using for decades couldn't get them in stock during
> CoVid when I last needed to buy a replacement set, so I settled on the
> Continentals.  Conti is an okay provider...given sufficient years, one
> can probably find some complaint about most any of them - - case in
> point, I've had good success with Michelin, but ten years ago, I had a
> horrible time with a set which had a loud harmonic vibration which
> occurred only at my preferred long distance highway cruising speed.

Continentals were once responsible for putting my wife and child in
danger. The rear tire on the passenger side had a bubble develop and
blow about two minutes before she was set to drive on the highway. Had
it blown there, she would likely have crashed the car and died. Another
tire from the set eventually developed the same thing before I just got
rid of them entirely. I haven't yet used the all-season tires on my new
car (I got it on October 31st and immediately had them put on the winter
tires), but I'm already dreading putting on the shit Continentals it
came with.

--
CrudeSausage

On 2024-12-18, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 17:40:00 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> No businessman wants to be told that they need to edit /etc/default/grub
>>> or that they need to go into the command line to change some hidden
>>> file ...
>
> No businessman wants to screw with the Registry to fix an issue.

Of course not.
They call the corporate helpdesk and make an appointment.

>> No businessman wants to do their own servicing of their car, either. They
>> go to experts to get that done. Same with servicing their computers.
>
> Just ask any corporate IT tech about the stupidity of the Windows users he/she
> must deal with.

We agree there.

--
pothead

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All about the snit troll:

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On 12/19/24 7:55 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> -hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>
>> On 12/18/24 1:31 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> -hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>
>>>> On 12/18/24 9:23 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <who cares?>
>>>>
>>>> Linux's lightweight OS characteristics make it quite suitable for any
>>>> old hardware which it can run on, particularly when the user
>>>> expectations are basic (eg, web surfing, email, newsgroups).
>>>
>>> You left out audio/video/photo editing, screen-casting, software development,
>>> painting, MIDI, pen-testing, servers of all kinds, ...
>>
>> Sure, because most users leave those out too, as the primary use case
>> that this is about are hand-me-downs.
>>
>>> Much of with is manageable on old hardware, as well.
>>
>> Contingent on just what level of task which one is asking to do: old
>> hadware can render 640 by 480 video without being too slow in the UI,
>> but to do 4K editing within the same day is beyond the hardware's
>> capability, regardless of OS. Sure, one may get to "but it will run!"
>> but the workflow is a {fix a frame & let it run overnight} crawl.
>>
>>> Years ago I installed Linux on a single-core Acer laptop. I could run
>>> SolidWorks on it in a VM on that little shit-box. It was my main laptop before
>>> the Corporation started handing out decent hardware.
>>
>> A Single core CPU would be more like "decades ago", as I can recall
>> having a dual core CPU back in 2006.
>
> I bought the single-core because it was cheap, especially with the Office Depot
> discount.

Nothing wrong with being frugal; its just that our expectations grow
over time: who's deliberately buying a 300 baud modem this decade?

>> And its not merely that some software could be made to run: the
>> question was how long to render the project, and for the likes of
>> Solidworks, doing how many discrete points in the mesh.
>>
>> As I'd mentioned a week or two back, I had a FEA team working on a hot
>> project where the workstations would crash every ~4 days of runtime.
>
> Bully for you.

The point is that lots of stuff can be made to "run", but it doesn't do
so in a timescale which is productive: one tends to only do such things
when there's no better alternative.

I've been guilty of doing some of this myself ... I can recall doing
some photography work with a 35mm film scanner that the dpi was up there
and the subsequent TIFF file size was ~1GB. On the PC that did that
nearly two decades ago, it of course took minutes & minutes to crunch
anything while working on that file - - and the final outcome turned out
to be no better than a much lower resolution scan. But it "did work".

And a bit of s search later...I found these old files:

1,208,386,573 bytes - created Sunday, July 11, 2004 at 9:48 PM
Dimensions: 17433 x 11551 -- that would be ~200 megapixels.

Today, it took ~3 sec to open the file within the App.
And the much smaller 8673 x 5776 (50 MP) takes just ~1 sec.

Yet it still was a "can be done" 20 years ago ... the workflow just was
minutes per step then, instead of seconds today.

-hh

Le 2024-12-20 à 09:00, -hh a écrit :
> On 12/19/24 7:55 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> -hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>
>>> On 12/18/24 1:31 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>> -hh wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/18/24 9:23 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <who cares?>
>>>>>
>>>>> Linux's lightweight OS characteristics make it quite suitable for any
>>>>> old hardware which it can run on, particularly when the user
>>>>> expectations are basic (eg, web surfing, email, newsgroups).
>>>>
>>>> You left out audio/video/photo editing, screen-casting, software
>>>> development,
>>>> painting, MIDI, pen-testing, servers of all kinds, ...
>>>
>>> Sure, because most users leave those out too, as the primary use case
>>> that this is about are hand-me-downs.
>>>
>>>> Much of with is manageable on old hardware, as well.
>>>
>>> Contingent on just what level of task which one is asking to do:  old
>>> hadware can render 640 by 480 video without being too slow in the UI,
>>> but to do 4K editing within the same day is beyond the hardware's
>>> capability, regardless of OS.  Sure, one may get to "but it will run!"
>>> but the workflow is a {fix a frame & let it run overnight} crawl.
>>>
>>>> Years ago I installed Linux on a single-core Acer laptop. I could run
>>>> SolidWorks on it in a VM on that little shit-box. It was my main
>>>> laptop before
>>>> the Corporation started handing out decent hardware.
>>>
>>> A Single core CPU would be more like "decades ago", as I can recall
>>> having a dual core CPU back in 2006.
>>
>> I bought the single-core because it was cheap, especially with the
>> Office Depot
>> discount.
>
> Nothing wrong with being frugal; its just that our expectations grow
> over time:  who's deliberately buying a 300 baud modem this decade?

Chris is. He likes to take his time when downloading all of that ASCII
porn.

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CrudeSausage

-hh wrote:

> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>> I went with Michelin X-Ice tires, breaking from many years of running
>>> Dunlop Winter Sports.
>>
>> My previous QX60 had Michelin X-Ice and they were wonderful. For the
>> longest time, they were the top-rated winter tires and have only
>> recently been surpassed by Toyo's offering. I wanted the same thing on
>> my new vehicle but they only had a choice of either Continental or
>> Yokohama. Since Continental is the absolute worst garbage I've ever
>> owned (bubbles form on the side of the tires after about 15,000km), you
>> can imagine what I purchased.
>
>My preferences for winter snows has long been Vredstein, but the family
>shop that I'd been using for decades couldn't get them in stock during
>CoVid when I last needed to buy a replacement set, so I settled on the
>Continentals. Conti is an okay provider...given sufficient years, one
>can probably find some complaint about most any of them - - case in
>point, I've had good success with Michelin, but ten years ago, I had a
>horrible time with a set which had a loud harmonic vibration which
>occurred only at my preferred long distance highway cruising speed.

AFAIK, the most "serious" Winter tires are made by Nokian, based in
Finland. I had a set of them long ago on my FWD Honda Predule Si, and
that thing was unstoppable in the snow. Of course, you do pay a price
in dry-road performance.

rbowman wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>>
>> s/TPMS/TPM/
>>
>> Can you tell that I recently bought some new tires for my car?
>
>Great feature! The wheels my winter tires are mounted on don't have
>sensors so I learn to live with the little orange icon.

My orange icon is off for now, but I also live with it being on, much
of the time. I swap tires and wheels myself, Spring and Fall, and
don't have the tool to move the car to the alternate set of sensors.
The fscking assholes who made my car thought that it wasn't important
for the computer to be able to remember two sets of sensors and allow
switching between them. They must have saved an entire dollar.
Assholes.

I read somewhere that newer cars are smart enough to just lock onto
the four sensors that are usually the closest and spinning in unison.
I don't know if that's universal, though. My daughter's Accord
doesn't use sensors at all, comparing wheel speeds to determine loss
of pressure.

>I learned to use a pressure gauge a long time ago although I finally went
>digital. It was hard to get 35.3 psi exactly with the old stick gauges :)

Mine's analog, but it is a good-quality dial gage that holds peak
pressure. So, unlike a stick gage, you don't need to be good at that
initial push onto the valve.

Le 2024-12-21 à 08:30, chrisv a écrit :
> -hh wrote:
>
>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I went with Michelin X-Ice tires, breaking from many years of running
>>>> Dunlop Winter Sports.
>>>
>>> My previous QX60 had Michelin X-Ice and they were wonderful. For the
>>> longest time, they were the top-rated winter tires and have only
>>> recently been surpassed by Toyo's offering. I wanted the same thing on
>>> my new vehicle but they only had a choice of either Continental or
>>> Yokohama. Since Continental is the absolute worst garbage I've ever
>>> owned (bubbles form on the side of the tires after about 15,000km), you
>>> can imagine what I purchased.
>>
>> My preferences for winter snows has long been Vredstein, but the family
>> shop that I'd been using for decades couldn't get them in stock during
>> CoVid when I last needed to buy a replacement set, so I settled on the
>> Continentals. Conti is an okay provider...given sufficient years, one
>> can probably find some complaint about most any of them - - case in
>> point, I've had good success with Michelin, but ten years ago, I had a
>> horrible time with a set which had a loud harmonic vibration which
>> occurred only at my preferred long distance highway cruising speed.
>
> AFAIK, the most "serious" Winter tires are made by Nokian, based in
> Finland. I had a set of them long ago on my FWD Honda Predule Si, and
> that thing was unstoppable in the snow. Of course, you do pay a price
> in dry-road performance.

Unstoppable in that it was excellent or that the car wouldn't stop?

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CrudeSausage

On Sat, 21 Dec 2024 07:43:53 -0600, chrisv wrote:

> I read somewhere that newer cars are smart enough to just lock onto the
> four sensors that are usually the closest and spinning in unison.
> I don't know if that's universal, though. My daughter's Accord doesn't
> use sensors at all, comparing wheel speeds to determine loss of
> pressure.

For a couple of weeks before I swapped the tires I was getting the low
pressure alert. The first time was disconcerting since i was out at the
range which is outside of town. I checked the pressures and one was 29 psi
so I got out the inflater and brought them all up to 35. Eventually the
light went off. Then it came on again on a rough road out to a trailhead.
I did a walk around. Everything looked okay so I ignored it. The next day
it was off, and then a day later it was on.

I bought the car in 2020 but it was a leftover 2018. Because of covid it
only has 27,000 miles, less than that on the street tires because of the
swap so they're OEM. The only thing I can think of is one or more of the
batteries in the sensors are starting to fail. PITA. I'll check the tread
and may get new tires in the spring along with a sensor replacement.

Linux: or I can use one of the Linux boxes to flash a Pico after figuring
out how to spoof a TPMS signal.