Linux-hating Windoze concern trolls, listen up:

In alt.comp.os.windows-11, go read the threads on "SleepStudy" and
"Task Scheduler is not working in the latest Windows 11 24H2 patch".
See what Microsoft is doing to those poor folks who rely on their
computers to behave themselves.

(Hats-off to the venerable Paul, who is ubiquitous with his assistance
for those folks. But even he reports his screensaver keeps resetting
to 10 minutes from his preferred 2 hours.)

It's almost as if Microsoft has decided its customers are now
its beta-testers. Have fun with that!

--
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
OS: Linux 6.12.5 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"A cat is nobody's fool."

On 17 Dec 2024 05:09:30 GMT, vallor wrote:

> It's almost as if Microsoft has decided its customers are now its
> beta-testers.

You mean, you just discovered? Some of us noticed this happening years
ago.

On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 05:56:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vjr3qj$1it5e$1@dont-email.me>:

> On 17 Dec 2024 05:09:30 GMT, vallor wrote:
>
>> It's almost as if Microsoft has decided its customers are now its
>> beta-testers.
>
> You mean, you just discovered? Some of us noticed this happening years
> ago.

They're more overt about it now.

It's too bad that anti-trust enforcement is so defanged in
our government. The whole "TPM 2 for Windows 11" thing is screwing
up the marketplace.

--
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OS: Linux 6.12.5 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"It said "Insert disk #3", but only two will fit!"

On 2024-12-17, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On 17 Dec 2024 05:09:30 GMT, vallor wrote:
>
>> It's almost as if Microsoft has decided its customers are now its
>> beta-testers.
>
> You mean, you just discovered? Some of us noticed this happening years
> ago.

Yeah, I thought they made this their "official" position a decade ago.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 09:27:33 -0700, % wrote:

> its not luck it's having brains enough to know what to buy ,
> i have three machines on usenet right now

Brains doesn't necessarily enter into it. I have two boxes that were built
before TPM even existed. They're Fedora and Lubuntu.

Three machines? Whoopee. I generally use Pan on Ubuntu but I have slrn on
Fedora and Thunderbird on Windows. I can't multitask enough to use all
three simultaneously.

On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-17 à 00:09, vallor a écrit :
>> Linux-hating Windoze concern trolls, listen up:
>>
>> In alt.comp.os.windows-11, go read the threads on "SleepStudy" and
>> "Task Scheduler is not working in the latest Windows 11 24H2 patch".
>> See what Microsoft is doing to those poor folks who rely on their
>> computers to behave themselves.
>>
>> (Hats-off to the venerable Paul, who is ubiquitous with his assistance
>> for those folks. But even he reports his screensaver keeps resetting
>> to 10 minutes from his preferred 2 hours.)
>>
>> It's almost as if Microsoft has decided its customers are now
>> its beta-testers. Have fun with that!
>
> Oh no! The latest version of Windows has trouble with one specific thing
> which is likely to be fixed in the next update. Maybe Microsoft will do
> the right thing and borrow from Linux which _still_ can't get computers
> to wake from suspend a few decades after the problems were first
> reported. They too want to have a year of the Windows desktop.

Apparently SOME Linux computers don't wake from suspend (not an issue for
me). And it would irritate me if the screensaver kept starting when I didn't
want it to. Watching movies would be a pain in the butt in that case.
(Chromebooks, for a while, did that.)

But the biggest issue is how Windows handles updates. Linux would probably
already be releasing updates for this. With Windows you have to wait until
"the next update." And you also ignore the fact Microsoft basically uses their
customers for beta testers — like, somehow, that's okay.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-17 à 01:20, vallor a écrit :
>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 05:56:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vjr3qj$1it5e$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 17 Dec 2024 05:09:30 GMT, vallor wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's almost as if Microsoft has decided its customers are now its
>>>> beta-testers.
>>>
>>> You mean, you just discovered? Some of us noticed this happening years
>>> ago.
>>
>> They're more overt about it now.
>>
>> It's too bad that anti-trust enforcement is so defanged in
>> our government. The whole "TPM 2 for Windows 11" thing is screwing
>> up the marketplace.
>
> God forbid Microsoft would want Windows users to have the security
> they've been clamoring for! Those assholes! Why can't they just open up
> the hardware entirely and ensure that every part of it is exploited?!

It's not security they're concerned about, it's making sure that the back
doors are up and running. It's the opposite of security.

It's also a way to ensure computer manufacturers stick with the monopoly
company that forces people to buy their products again. A symbiotic
relationship.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-17 à 11:23, vallor a écrit :
>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 08:51:12 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>> <Ck2dnSLtXetyAPz6nZ2dnZfqn_sAAAAA@giganews.com>:
>>
>>> vallor wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 05:56:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
>>>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vjr3qj$1it5e$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 17 Dec 2024 05:09:30 GMT, vallor wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's almost as if Microsoft has decided its customers are now its
>>>>>> beta-testers.
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean, you just discovered? Some of us noticed this happening years
>>>>> ago.
>>>>
>>>> They're more overt about it now.
>>>>
>>>> It's too bad that anti-trust enforcement is so defanged in our
>>>> government. The whole "TPM 2 for Windows 11" thing is screwing up the
>>>> marketplace.
>>>>
>>> my market place is fine
>>
>> Your computer is new enough to have TPM 2.
>>
>> Some folks aren't so lucky...
>
> Those who don't have TPM 2 are free to use Linux or buy a new computer.

Which is what a lot of them will probably do (either that or keep running
older versions of Windows). Mac users are finding new lives for their old
(unsupported) computers using Linux.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-17 à 10:47, Joel a écrit :
>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Linux-hating Windoze concern trolls, listen up:
>>>
>>> In alt.comp.os.windows-11, go read the threads on "SleepStudy" and
>>> "Task Scheduler is not working in the latest Windows 11 24H2 patch".
>>> See what Microsoft is doing to those poor folks who rely on their
>>> computers to behave themselves.
>>>
>>> (Hats-off to the venerable Paul, who is ubiquitous with his assistance
>>> for those folks. But even he reports his screensaver keeps resetting
>>> to 10 minutes from his preferred 2 hours.)
>>>
>>> It's almost as if Microsoft has decided its customers are now
>>> its beta-testers. Have fun with that!
>>
>>
>> It's not the first time. This is the kind of thing that led me to use
>> Linux in 2019, when Win10 was a public beta test. Fuck M$ crapware. I
>> didn't build this delightful machine to run that.
>
> God forbid the Microsoft beta-test cause you to lose your many GBs of
> "women" penetrating men in the ass.

Okay, so (in your opinion) using customers as "beta testers" is just hunky
dory?

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Le 2024-12-17 à 15:16, rbowman a écrit :
> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 09:27:33 -0700, % wrote:
>
>> its not luck it's having brains enough to know what to buy ,
>> i have three machines on usenet right now
>
> Brains doesn't necessarily enter into it. I have two boxes that were built
> before TPM even existed. They're Fedora and Lubuntu.
>
> Three machines? Whoopee. I generally use Pan on Ubuntu but I have slrn on
> Fedora and Thunderbird on Windows. I can't multitask enough to use all
> three simultaneously.

It truly is sad that Microsoft essentially locked out perfectly capable
computers from say 2017 with their requirements. However, software
companies routinely did this with their software requirements in the 80s
and 90s. The fact that people are able to get eight years of life from
Windows 10 on their 2017 computer shouldn't cause them to get their
panties in a bunch. Microsoft has no obligation to allow people to get a
decade worth of usage from their computers and they are free to use
Linux is buying new hardware bothers them that much. Meanwhile, paying
customers want security on their computers to be the best that it can be
and proper support for whatever hardware they connect to their machines.
No businessman wants to be told that they need to edit /etc/default/grub
or that they need to go into the command line to change some hidden file
with nano in the faint hope that it might resolve their issue. Time is
money which is why people with money don't waste their time with Linux.

--
CrudeSausage

Le 2024-12-17 à 16:07, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-17 à 00:09, vallor a écrit :
>>> Linux-hating Windoze concern trolls, listen up:
>>>
>>> In alt.comp.os.windows-11, go read the threads on "SleepStudy" and
>>> "Task Scheduler is not working in the latest Windows 11 24H2 patch".
>>> See what Microsoft is doing to those poor folks who rely on their
>>> computers to behave themselves.
>>>
>>> (Hats-off to the venerable Paul, who is ubiquitous with his assistance
>>> for those folks. But even he reports his screensaver keeps resetting
>>> to 10 minutes from his preferred 2 hours.)
>>>
>>> It's almost as if Microsoft has decided its customers are now
>>> its beta-testers. Have fun with that!
>>
>> Oh no! The latest version of Windows has trouble with one specific thing
>> which is likely to be fixed in the next update. Maybe Microsoft will do
>> the right thing and borrow from Linux which _still_ can't get computers
>> to wake from suspend a few decades after the problems were first
>> reported. They too want to have a year of the Windows desktop.
>
> Apparently SOME Linux computers don't wake from suspend (not an issue for
> me). And it would irritate me if the screensaver kept starting when I didn't
> want it to. Watching movies would be a pain in the butt in that case.
> (Chromebooks, for a while, did that.)

To be fair, it only seems to happen with NVIDIA-equipped machines. Even
when the NVIDIA chip is completely disabled, like it was on that
machine, the mere fact that NVIDIA exists in the machine seemed to be
enough to prevent the hardware from waking. The AMD machines I've used
seem to have no issue whatsoever getting the basics right in Linux.

> But the biggest issue is how Windows handles updates. Linux would probably
> already be releasing updates for this. With Windows you have to wait until
> "the next update." And you also ignore the fact Microsoft basically uses their
> customers for beta testers — like, somehow, that's okay.

I have to admit that it annoys me that I can't do proper beta-testing
for Microsoft like I did in the 2000s which resulted in Vista and 7 (and
got me Ultimate product keys for both of those operating systems). It
seems a lot more ethical to offer the task of testing to people who
_know_ that a product is in beta and will actually send you reports than
hope that paying customers don't mind testing and sending automatic reports.

--
CrudeSausage

Le 2024-12-17 à 16:10, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-17 à 01:20, vallor a écrit :
>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 05:56:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
>>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vjr3qj$1it5e$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> On 17 Dec 2024 05:09:30 GMT, vallor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's almost as if Microsoft has decided its customers are now its
>>>>> beta-testers.
>>>>
>>>> You mean, you just discovered? Some of us noticed this happening years
>>>> ago.
>>>
>>> They're more overt about it now.
>>>
>>> It's too bad that anti-trust enforcement is so defanged in
>>> our government. The whole "TPM 2 for Windows 11" thing is screwing
>>> up the marketplace.
>>
>> God forbid Microsoft would want Windows users to have the security
>> they've been clamoring for! Those assholes! Why can't they just open up
>> the hardware entirely and ensure that every part of it is exploited?!
>
> It's not security they're concerned about, it's making sure that the back
> doors are up and running. It's the opposite of security.
>
> It's also a way to ensure computer manufacturers stick with the monopoly
> company that forces people to buy their products again. A symbiotic
> relationship.

I don't deny that at all. However, I don't think that Microsoft
intentionally adds backdoors as much as the governments of the world
require them for the company to sell its product in the country. I
believe that both the software and hardware people use nowadays have
such backdoors and there is little anyone can do to get around it.

--
CrudeSausage

Le 2024-12-17 à 16:12, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-17 à 11:23, vallor a écrit :
>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 08:51:12 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> <Ck2dnSLtXetyAPz6nZ2dnZfqn_sAAAAA@giganews.com>:
>>>
>>>> vallor wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 05:56:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
>>>>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vjr3qj$1it5e$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 17 Dec 2024 05:09:30 GMT, vallor wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's almost as if Microsoft has decided its customers are now its
>>>>>>> beta-testers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean, you just discovered? Some of us noticed this happening years
>>>>>> ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> They're more overt about it now.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's too bad that anti-trust enforcement is so defanged in our
>>>>> government. The whole "TPM 2 for Windows 11" thing is screwing up the
>>>>> marketplace.
>>>>>
>>>> my market place is fine
>>>
>>> Your computer is new enough to have TPM 2.
>>>
>>> Some folks aren't so lucky...
>>
>> Those who don't have TPM 2 are free to use Linux or buy a new computer.
>
> Which is what a lot of them will probably do (either that or keep running
> older versions of Windows). Mac users are finding new lives for their old
> (unsupported) computers using Linux.

I don't believe that the majority of people whose computers are about to
become obsolete even know that Linux exists, much less know how to
install it. It's sad but people nowadays are very uninformed and
resistant to learn even the simplest things.

--
CrudeSausage

On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 17:40:00 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:

> No businessman wants to be told that they need to edit /etc/default/grub
> or that they need to go into the command line to change some hidden
> file ...

No businessman wants to do their own servicing of their car, either. They
go to experts to get that done. Same with servicing their computers.

On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-17 à 16:12, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 11:23, vallor a écrit :
>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 08:51:12 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> <Ck2dnSLtXetyAPz6nZ2dnZfqn_sAAAAA@giganews.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> vallor wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 05:56:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
>>>>>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vjr3qj$1it5e$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 17 Dec 2024 05:09:30 GMT, vallor wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's almost as if Microsoft has decided its customers are now its
>>>>>>>> beta-testers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You mean, you just discovered? Some of us noticed this happening years
>>>>>>> ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They're more overt about it now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's too bad that anti-trust enforcement is so defanged in our
>>>>>> government. The whole "TPM 2 for Windows 11" thing is screwing up the
>>>>>> marketplace.
>>>>>>
>>>>> my market place is fine
>>>>
>>>> Your computer is new enough to have TPM 2.
>>>>
>>>> Some folks aren't so lucky...
>>>
>>> Those who don't have TPM 2 are free to use Linux or buy a new computer.
>>
>> Which is what a lot of them will probably do (either that or keep running
>> older versions of Windows). Mac users are finding new lives for their old
>> (unsupported) computers using Linux.
>
> I don't believe that the majority of people whose computers are about to
> become obsolete even know that Linux exists, much less know how to
> install it. It's sad but people nowadays are very uninformed and
> resistant to learn even the simplest things.

I sometimes follow the Mac subReddit (less so now than before) and I see
quite a few Mac users (who've usually bought a new Mac) asking what should
they do with their old one. They're either told to put OpenCore on it and
update to a supported version of Mac OS (which won't be an option soon on
Intel Macs) or install Linux. A lot of them go the Linux route.

That said, I realize that the majority of Mac users aren't taking part in
the Mac subReddit. Linux runs pretty well on my old 2014 Mac Mini. Though,
usually, when I go to the Mac Mini, I'm trying out something on Mac side of
the computer, not the Linux one.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 17:40:00 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> No businessman wants to be told that they need to edit /etc/default/grub
>> or that they need to go into the command line to change some hidden
>> file ...

No businessman wants to screw with the Registry to fix an issue.

> No businessman wants to do their own servicing of their car, either. They
> go to experts to get that done. Same with servicing their computers.

Just ask any corporate IT tech about the stupidity of the Windows users he/she
must deal with.

--
While money doesn't buy love, it puts you in a great bargaining position.

Le 2024-12-18 à 00:58, Lawrence D'Oliveiro a écrit :
> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 17:40:00 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> No businessman wants to be told that they need to edit /etc/default/grub
>> or that they need to go into the command line to change some hidden
>> file ...
>
> No businessman wants to do their own servicing of their car, either. They
> go to experts to get that done. Same with servicing their computers.

The problem is that the "experts" servicing their computers are often
low-pay Haitians who don't know that much more than the users do.

--
CrudeSausage

Le 2024-12-18 à 06:29, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-17 à 16:12, RonB a écrit :
>>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 11:23, vallor a écrit :
>>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 08:51:12 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> <Ck2dnSLtXetyAPz6nZ2dnZfqn_sAAAAA@giganews.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> vallor wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 05:56:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
>>>>>>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vjr3qj$1it5e$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 17 Dec 2024 05:09:30 GMT, vallor wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's almost as if Microsoft has decided its customers are now its
>>>>>>>>> beta-testers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You mean, you just discovered? Some of us noticed this happening years
>>>>>>>> ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They're more overt about it now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's too bad that anti-trust enforcement is so defanged in our
>>>>>>> government. The whole "TPM 2 for Windows 11" thing is screwing up the
>>>>>>> marketplace.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> my market place is fine
>>>>>
>>>>> Your computer is new enough to have TPM 2.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some folks aren't so lucky...
>>>>
>>>> Those who don't have TPM 2 are free to use Linux or buy a new computer.
>>>
>>> Which is what a lot of them will probably do (either that or keep running
>>> older versions of Windows). Mac users are finding new lives for their old
>>> (unsupported) computers using Linux.
>>
>> I don't believe that the majority of people whose computers are about to
>> become obsolete even know that Linux exists, much less know how to
>> install it. It's sad but people nowadays are very uninformed and
>> resistant to learn even the simplest things.
>
> I sometimes follow the Mac subReddit (less so now than before) and I see
> quite a few Mac users (who've usually bought a new Mac) asking what should
> they do with their old one. They're either told to put OpenCore on it and
> update to a supported version of Mac OS (which won't be an option soon on
> Intel Macs) or install Linux. A lot of them go the Linux route.
>
> That said, I realize that the majority of Mac users aren't taking part in
> the Mac subReddit. Linux runs pretty well on my old 2014 Mac Mini. Though,
> usually, when I go to the Mac Mini, I'm trying out something on Mac side of
> the computer, not the Linux one.

A co-worker of mine last year decided to buy an old Mac from around 2013
after the seller promised him that he would be able to run the latest
version of MacOS. He got exactly that, but the computer was unbearably
slow. Linux is truly the greater option on old Macs, and that's what I
installed on the 2012 one I just gave away to my wife's faggot friend.

--
CrudeSausage

On 12/18/24 9:23 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> Le 2024-12-18 à 06:29, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 16:12, RonB a écrit :
>>>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 11:23, vallor a écrit :
>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 08:51:12 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> <Ck2dnSLtXetyAPz6nZ2dnZfqn_sAAAAA@giganews.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> vallor wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 05:56:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
>>>>>>>> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vjr3qj$1it5e$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 17 Dec 2024 05:09:30 GMT, vallor wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's almost as if Microsoft has decided its customers are now its
>>>>>>>>>> beta-testers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You mean, you just discovered? Some of us noticed this
>>>>>>>>> happening years
>>>>>>>>> ago.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They're more overt about it now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's too bad that anti-trust enforcement is so defanged in our
>>>>>>>> government.  The whole "TPM 2 for Windows 11" thing is screwing
>>>>>>>> up the
>>>>>>>> marketplace.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> my market place is fine
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your computer is new enough to have TPM 2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some folks aren't so lucky...
>>>>>
>>>>> Those who don't have TPM 2 are free to use Linux or buy a new
>>>>> computer.
>>>>
>>>> Which is what a lot of them will probably do (either that or keep
>>>> running
>>>> older versions of Windows). Mac users are finding new lives for
>>>> their old
>>>> (unsupported) computers using Linux.
>>>
>>> I don't believe that the majority of people whose computers are about to
>>> become obsolete even know that Linux exists, much less know how to
>>> install it. It's sad but people nowadays are very uninformed and
>>> resistant to learn even the simplest things.
>>
>> I sometimes follow the Mac subReddit (less so now than before) and I see
>> quite a few Mac users (who've usually bought a new Mac) asking what
>> should
>> they do with their old one. They're either told to put OpenCore on it and
>> update to a supported version of Mac OS (which won't be an option soon on
>> Intel Macs) or install Linux. A lot of them go the Linux route.
>>
>> That said, I realize that the majority of Mac users aren't taking part in
>> the Mac subReddit. Linux runs pretty well on my old 2014 Mac Mini.
>> Though,
>> usually, when I go to the Mac Mini, I'm trying out something on Mac
>> side of
>> the computer, not the Linux one.
>
> A co-worker of mine last year decided to buy an old Mac from around 2013
> after the seller promised him that he would be able to run the latest
> version of MacOS.

Sounds like the seller might have been not quite lying, as the 2013 iMac
was supported up through macOS Ventura (version 13), which was the
latest version until Sept 2023 when it was superseded by Sonoma (which
itself was superseded by Sequoia 3 months ago).

> He got exactly that, but the computer was unbearably slow.

Many of these were unbearably slow on Day 1, as the base model came with
a slow 5400rpm Hard Drive which was slightly degimped with a tiny SSD.
My brother bitched about his new iMac of that ilk as being slower than
his old one ... which just a year earlier, I'd put an SSD in it for him.

> Linux is truly the greater option on old Macs, and that's what I
> installed on the 2012 one I just gave away to my wife's faggot friend.

Linux's lightweight OS characteristics make it quite suitable for any
old hardware which it can run on, particularly when the user
expectations are basic (eg, web surfing, email, newsgroups).

-hh

Le 2024-12-18 à 12:05, -hh a écrit :

>> A co-worker of mine last year decided to buy an old Mac from around
>> 2013 after the seller promised him that he would be able to run the
>> latest version of MacOS.
>
> Sounds like the seller might have been not quite lying, as the 2013 iMac
> was supported up through macOS Ventura (version 13), which was the
> latest version until Sept 2023 when it was superseded by Sonoma (which
> itself was superseded by Sequoia 3 months ago).

The sad reality with the Mac is that every new version of MacOS
absolutely destroys the performance of the previous one, at least on an
HD. I never felt it myself on the M1 and don't recall that being the
case in the move from 10.0 to 10.1.5 to 10.2 and 10.3 (each version
actually improved the performance), but I recall there being lots of
complaints in forums.

>> He got exactly that, but the computer was unbearably slow.
>
> Many of these were unbearably slow on Day 1, as the base model came with
> a slow 5400rpm Hard Drive which was slightly degimped with a tiny SSD.
> My brother bitched about his new iMac of that ilk as being slower than
> his old one ... which just a year earlier, I'd put an SSD in it for him.

The sad reality is that the base model configurations of Macs was
usually awful until the M1 arrived. The iBook G3-600 I bought back in
2003 or so came with a paltry 128MB of RAM to run Mac OS X. Clearly,
9.2.2 was a lot more comfortable, even when I upgraded the RAM to 640MB.

>> Linux is truly the greater option on old Macs, and that's what I
>> installed on the 2012 one I just gave away to my wife's faggot friend.
>
> Linux's lightweight OS characteristics make it quite suitable for any
> old hardware which it can run on, particularly when the user
> expectations are basic (eg, web surfing, email, newsgroups).

Which is why I don't mind using it on machines that are no longer my
daily driver. As much as I criticize the operating system, I am grateful
for its existence because it keeps a lot of hardware (and the many
chemicals used in producing them) out of landfills. However, there is no
doubt that customers are better served by MacOS if they can afford the
Apple hardware and Windows if they can't or if games are important to
them. If a person with no knowledge of computers came to me and asked
what they should buy, I wouldn't allow them to consider anything but a
machine from Apple.

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CrudeSausage

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 12:05:32 -0500, -hh wrote:

> >
> Linux's lightweight OS characteristics make it quite suitable for any
> old hardware which it can run on, particularly when the user
> expectations are basic (eg, web surfing, email, newsgroups).
>

This is a statement make by an ignoramus buffoon and should not be
given any credence whatsoever.

There is no "weight" to GNU/Linux. It can be configured to do
anything and everything and to do it better than anything else.

--
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 12:16:41 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:

>
> As much as I criticize the operating system, I am grateful
> for its existence because it keeps a lot of hardware (and the many
> chemicals used in producing them) out of landfills.
>

YOU should be in a fucking landfill.

Your useless comments emanate from a totally obsolete and thoroughly
ignorant mentality.

IOW, you are a fucking idiot.

--
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>Linux's lightweight OS characteristics make it quite suitable for any
>old hardware which it can run on, particularly when the user
>expectations are basic (eg, web surfing, email, newsgroups).

I run an i5 because I like a simple CPU, Linux stays great on hardware
like mine, unlike Wintendoware.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
>On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 12:16:41 -0500, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> As much as I criticize the operating system, I am grateful
>> for its existence because it keeps a lot of hardware (and the many
>> chemicals used in producing them) out of landfills.
>
>YOU should be in a fucking landfill.
>
>Your useless comments emanate from a totally obsolete and thoroughly
>ignorant mentality.
>
>IOW, you are a fucking idiot.

Microsoft has effectively told the public, go ahead and make Linux the
de facto standard. They don't support a sufficient number of
machines, with Win10 (and soon to be 11+).

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Le 2024-12-18 à 12:58, Joel a écrit :
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>> Linux's lightweight OS characteristics make it quite suitable for any
>> old hardware which it can run on, particularly when the user
>> expectations are basic (eg, web surfing, email, newsgroups).
>
>
> I run an i5 because I like a simple CPU, Linux stays great on hardware
> like mine, unlike Wintendoware.

Microsoft's stock is struggling now that they've learned you're not
using their operating system.

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CrudeSausage