On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 08:34:21 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> Okay, I'll take your word for that. I've never (personally) had a laptop
> that used an AMD CPU. I think my wife had one HP laptop that did — it
> was a piece of crap. I think HP makes good business machines, but their
> consumer laptops (and desktops) seem to be crap to me. I guess that can
> be said for Dell also. I've used Dell's business machines for a long
> time now.

My Acer laptop is a Ryzen 7.

https://www.techpowerup.com/cpu-specs/ryzen-7-4700u.c2282

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPw4heT_LGw

The review reports 11 hour battery life, low temperatures and noise. He
pings it for display brightness and color definition but for my use that's
not a factor. Mine is from 2020 as in the review. The current Swift 3 AMD
uses the Ryzen 5. It is now running Windows 11.

The Ubuntu system I'm writing on is a Beelink mini that also has the 4700I
with 16 GB of memory. The only time the fan noise is noticeable is on a
reboot.

On 12/17/2024 1:05 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>> On 12/13/2024 10:11 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>>>> On 12/12/2024 10:16 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
>>>>> That keeps me here.
>>>>
>>>> Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
>>>> thought for 3+ decades.
>>>>
>>>> Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
>>>> understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
>>>>
>>>> Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.
>>>
>>> The two platforms coexist, I don't know why we're even talking about
>>> Winblows being "ruined".
>>
>> It's just ignorant GuhNoo drooling. No substance to their fantasies.
>> There never has been, for 30+ years.
>
>
> Win11 remains the prince OS, supporting bleeding-edge hardware.
>
>
>>> It's ruined simply by outpacing the hardware
>>> people typically have to boot it,
>>
>> Win11 Pro runs fast on my low-end system:
>>
>> item and current new prices:
>>
>> AMD 5600G chip $139
>> MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk mobo $140
>> Crucial 16GB DDR4-3200 memory $33
>> nVidia GTX 750Ti 2GB single-fan video $124
>> Team 256GB NVMe boot/app drive $23
>> WD 2TB SSD data/storage drive $189
>>
>> Total $648
>>
>> It's not easy to even find a prebuilt AMD 5600 system more expensive
>> than that. So Win11 has NOT outpaced low-end hardware.
>>
>> The benchmarks on my system are low, but in use it's fast at everything.
>> The most noticeable bottleneck by far is copying big files to my HDD
>> backup drive.
>>
>>> Linux provides a usable alternative,
>>> but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.
>>
>> No duh. Windows runs all their home and work software, documents, and
>> games.
>>
>> I can plug my iPhone into a USB port and it shows up in Windows Explorer
>> right away (after I hit 'Allow' on the phone). At that point I can
>> mostly treat the iPhone as any other storage device.
>>
>> Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
>> picture files just as easily?
>
>
> You're tolerating the bloat, I'm not.

I want some evidence for Windows 'bloat' that affects you.

In the face of $50 to $70 per TB of SSD, an extra 40GB of storage costs
approx $2 to $3. And 40GB is probably way overstating the incremental
storage space required for Windows and Windows apps vs Linux and Linux apps.

https://diskprices.com

In the face of $2 per GB of DDR4-3200 memory, an extra 4GB of RAM for
Windows costs $8.

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=ddr4+3200+ram+16gb

So that's $10 of hardware 'bloat' for Windows

You spend more than that every week on KY jelly.

So why are you bitching?

> As for linking my phone, my
> computer has Bluetooth, I imagine I could use that.

Imagination can't help you here.

On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-17 à 03:34, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:56, RonB a écrit :
>>>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 11:34, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> they like to use advanced functionality like
>>>>>>>> hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
>>>>>>> But they are not, to most users.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
>>>>>>> most users. That's not fair or consistent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
>>>>>>> whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
>>>>>>> off with Linux, but simply don't know it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
>>>>>> what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
>>>>>> that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I'll make it clearer:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.
>>>>> 2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting
>>>>> in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).
>>>>> 3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay
>>>>> between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always
>>>>> overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system
>>>>> anew preserving settings and applications.
>>>>
>>>> Response to 1) — not in my experience. I use Intel GPUs, so maybe that makes
>>>> a difference.
>>>
>>> For power consumption, Intel is generally better than AMD on battery.
>>
>> Okay, I'll take your word for that. I've never (personally) had a laptop
>> that used an AMD CPU. I think my wife had one HP laptop that did — it was a
>> piece of crap. I think HP makes good business machines, but their consumer
>> laptops (and desktops) seem to be crap to me. I guess that can be said for
>> Dell also. I've used Dell's business machines for a long time now.
>
> I wouldn't buy a consumer-grade HP laptop considering how poor HP's
> motherboards seem to be. There is no end to negative reviews of their
> hardware and I know for a fact that the laptops my wife's company
> supplies to its employees are HP and they often bend from the heat.

I'll take your word for it on HP. My brother used to like them, but I think
he's been moving to Dell lately. (He's a Windows programmer who works from
home and he was complaining about something in his older HPs.)

>>>> Response to 2) — I don't even know what OPAL encryption is (and I don't
>>>> give a fig). I could encrypt Linux Mint if I wanted to, I choose not to do
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> It is the standard method for hardware encryption and allows you to use
>>> the storage at its full speed unlike the software method which
>>> compromises on performance very considerably. It has the benefit of
>>> keeping your data safe in case of theft without bogging down your hardware.
>>
>> Okay. I still have no interest in encryption. I've tried to recover data
>> from an encrypted hard drive (not mine) in the past. It was futile (for me,
>> at least) and I didn't like it.
>
> I admit that this is an issue which is why my most important data is
> also synchronized on the cloud.

I don't syncronize on the Cloud (except for notes in Simplenote).

>>>> Response to 3) — As I've mentioned (a few times now) Linux works fine for me
>>>> when updating computers that haven't been updated for over year, sometimes
>>>> even multiple years. I've never had a Linux OS update failure. Meanwhile, my
>>>> son's Windows 10 computer is running like a snail (with obvious issues) —
>>>> and it refuses to update. I've tried about five Windows' "solutions" so far.
>>>> No luck. I saw that it had an update "troubleshooter." I ran it. It claimed,
>>>> for about FIVE hours, that it was "resolving the problem." It completed the
>>>> "fix" with the message "Update Problem Found." Like no shit, Sherlock,
>>>> that's why I ran the damn troubleshooter, because I had already "found" the
>>>> problem. I know what's going to end up fixing it. Using a Linux USB to back
>>>> up the files my son wants to save and rebuilding from scratch. This is
>>>> always the way you "fix" Windows crap.
>>>>
>>>> Out of curiosity, how would you know Linux doesn't update properly if not
>>>> updated regularly? You never keep it installed long enough to know this.
>>>
>>> That is actually part of why I don't keep Linux installed for long.
>>
>> Okay, so... your judging Linux by hearsay?
>
> No, I'm stating that even in using Linux for a week or two, I eventually
> faced an update which caused the machine to stop booting to desktop as
> it should.

Okay. Again, not my experience, but I don't have "exotic" hardware. Dell's
business hardware is about as "plain Jane" as you can get.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-12-17, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 12:31:16 -0500, DFS wrote:
>
>
>> Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
>> picture files just as easily?
>
> Yes. Data transfer has to be enabled.

Same with my Pixel (even the iPhone SE and the flip phones I've used).

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:

>>>> Linux provides a usable alternative,
>>>> but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.
>>>
>>> No duh. Windows runs all their home and work software, documents, and
>>> games.
>>>
>>> I can plug my iPhone into a USB port and it shows up in Windows Explorer
>>> right away (after I hit 'Allow' on the phone). At that point I can
>>> mostly treat the iPhone as any other storage device.
>>>
>>> Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
>>> picture files just as easily?
>>
>> You're tolerating the bloat, I'm not.
>
>I want some evidence for Windows 'bloat' that affects you.

The 23H2 release was weightier than previous builds. I jumped ship.

>In the face of $50 to $70 per TB of SSD, an extra 40GB of storage costs
>approx $2 to $3. And 40GB is probably way overstating the incremental
>storage space required for Windows and Windows apps vs Linux and Linux apps.
>
>https://diskprices.com
>
>In the face of $2 per GB of DDR4-3200 memory, an extra 4GB of RAM for
>Windows costs $8.
>
>https://www.amazon.com/s?k=ddr4+3200+ram+16gb
>
>
>So that's $10 of hardware 'bloat' for Windows
>
>You spend more than that every week on KY jelly.
>
>So why are you bitching?

Irrelevant.

>> As for linking my phone, my
>> computer has Bluetooth, I imagine I could use that.
>
>Imagination can't help you here.

It would work if I wanted it to, it's easier to just send a pic from
my phone's Skype app to myself, and receive it on my computer's Web
app for Skype (because the desktop M$ app aborted itself from my
Debian install, mysteriously).

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Le 2024-12-17 à 12:31, DFS a écrit :
> On 12/13/2024 10:11 PM, Joel wrote:
>> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>>> On 12/12/2024 10:16 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
>>>> That keeps me here.
>>>
>>> Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
>>> thought for 3+ decades.
>>>
>>> Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
>>> understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
>>>
>>> Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.
>>
>>
>> The two platforms coexist, I don't know why we're even talking about
>> Winblows being "ruined".
>
>
> It's just ignorant GuhNoo drooling.  No substance to their fantasies.
> There never has been, for 30+ years.
>
>
>
>> It's ruined simply by outpacing the hardware
>> people typically have to boot it,
>
>
> Win11 Pro runs fast on my low-end system:
>
> item and current new prices:
>
> AMD 5600G chip  $139
> MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk mobo $140
> Crucial 16GB DDR4-3200 memory  $33
> nVidia GTX 750Ti 2GB single-fan video  $124
> Team 256GB NVMe boot/app drive  $23
> WD 2TB   SSD  data/storage drive $189
>
> Total $648

That's 648 girlcocks Joel will have to suck!

> It's not easy to even find a prebuilt AMD 5600 system more expensive
> than that.  So Win11 has NOT outpaced low-end hardware.
>
> The benchmarks on my system are low, but in use it's fast at everything.
>  The most noticeable bottleneck by far is copying big files to my HDD
> backup drive.

I notice that even on a fast computer, Windows 11's context menus are
rather slow (right-click on the desktop, for example). Otherwise,
everything is fast.

>> Linux provides a usable alternative,
>> but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.
>
> No duh.  Windows runs all their home and work software, documents, and
> games.
>
> I can plug my iPhone into a USB port and it shows up in Windows Explorer
> right away (after I hit 'Allow' on the phone).  At that point I can
> mostly treat the iPhone as any other storage device.
>
> Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
> picture files just as easily?

Android should run fine on Debian, to be honest. I would be surprised if
support for it wasn't baked into the system. An iPhone is another matter.

--
CrudeSausage

Le 2024-12-17 à 13:05, Joel a écrit :

>>> Linux provides a usable alternative,
>>> but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.
>>
>> No duh. Windows runs all their home and work software, documents, and
>> games.
>>
>> I can plug my iPhone into a USB port and it shows up in Windows Explorer
>> right away (after I hit 'Allow' on the phone). At that point I can
>> mostly treat the iPhone as any other storage device.
>>
>> Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
>> picture files just as easily?
>
>
> You're tolerating the bloat, I'm not. As for linking my phone, my
> computer has Bluetooth, I imagine I could use that.

How about you try it and feel the utter disappointment the rest of us have?

Using Linux is like being the only guy on the highway in a Fiat when
everyone else is driving a luxury vehicle. Sure, there's a chance that
it'll get you to your destination and cheaply, but you won't pick up any
pussy with it and it'll break down every few miles because you didn't
hug it hard enough.

--
CrudeSausage

Le 2024-12-17 à 16:27, DFS a écrit :
> On 12/17/2024 1:05 PM, Joel wrote:
>> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>>> On 12/13/2024 10:11 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>>>>> On 12/12/2024 10:16 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
>>>>>> That keeps me here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
>>>>> thought for 3+ decades.
>>>>>
>>>>> Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't
>>>>> seem to
>>>>> understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.
>>>>
>>>> The two platforms coexist, I don't know why we're even talking about
>>>> Winblows being "ruined".
>>>
>>> It's just ignorant GuhNoo drooling.  No substance to their fantasies.
>>> There never has been, for 30+ years.
>>
>>
>> Win11 remains the prince OS, supporting bleeding-edge hardware.
>>
>>
>>>> It's ruined simply by outpacing the hardware
>>>> people typically have to boot it,
>>>
>>> Win11 Pro runs fast on my low-end system:
>>>
>>> item and current new prices:
>>>
>>> AMD 5600G chip  $139
>>> MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk mobo $140
>>> Crucial 16GB DDR4-3200 memory  $33
>>> nVidia GTX 750Ti 2GB single-fan video  $124
>>> Team 256GB NVMe boot/app drive  $23
>>> WD 2TB   SSD  data/storage drive $189
>>>
>>> Total $648
>>>
>>> It's not easy to even find a prebuilt AMD 5600 system more expensive
>>> than that.  So Win11 has NOT outpaced low-end hardware.
>>>
>>> The benchmarks on my system are low, but in use it's fast at everything.
>>>   The most noticeable bottleneck by far is copying big files to my HDD
>>> backup drive.
>>>
>>>> Linux provides a usable alternative,
>>>> but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.
>>>
>>> No duh.  Windows runs all their home and work software, documents, and
>>> games.
>>>
>>> I can plug my iPhone into a USB port and it shows up in Windows Explorer
>>> right away (after I hit 'Allow' on the phone).  At that point I can
>>> mostly treat the iPhone as any other storage device.
>>>
>>> Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
>>> picture files just as easily?
>>
>>
>> You're tolerating the bloat, I'm not.
>
> I want some evidence for Windows 'bloat' that affects you.
>
> In the face of $50 to $70 per TB of SSD, an extra 40GB of storage costs
> approx $2 to $3.  And 40GB is probably way overstating the incremental
> storage space required for Windows and Windows apps vs Linux and Linux
> apps.
>
> https://diskprices.com
>
> In the face of $2 per GB of DDR4-3200 memory, an extra 4GB of RAM for
> Windows costs $8.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/s?k=ddr4+3200+ram+16gb
>
>
> So that's $10 of hardware 'bloat' for Windows
>
> You spend more than that every week on KY jelly.
>
> So why are you bitching?

LOL, as if Joel can afford KY jelly. He prefers the spit method.

--
CrudeSausage

Le 2024-12-17 à 16:27, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-17 à 03:34, RonB a écrit :
>>> On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:56, RonB a écrit :
>>>>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 11:34, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> they like to use advanced functionality like
>>>>>>>>> hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
>>>>>>>> But they are not, to most users.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
>>>>>>>> most users. That's not fair or consistent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
>>>>>>>> whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
>>>>>>>> off with Linux, but simply don't know it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
>>>>>>> what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
>>>>>>> that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I'll make it clearer:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.
>>>>>> 2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting
>>>>>> in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).
>>>>>> 3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay
>>>>>> between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always
>>>>>> overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system
>>>>>> anew preserving settings and applications.
>>>>>
>>>>> Response to 1) — not in my experience. I use Intel GPUs, so maybe that makes
>>>>> a difference.
>>>>
>>>> For power consumption, Intel is generally better than AMD on battery.
>>>
>>> Okay, I'll take your word for that. I've never (personally) had a laptop
>>> that used an AMD CPU. I think my wife had one HP laptop that did — it was a
>>> piece of crap. I think HP makes good business machines, but their consumer
>>> laptops (and desktops) seem to be crap to me. I guess that can be said for
>>> Dell also. I've used Dell's business machines for a long time now.
>>
>> I wouldn't buy a consumer-grade HP laptop considering how poor HP's
>> motherboards seem to be. There is no end to negative reviews of their
>> hardware and I know for a fact that the laptops my wife's company
>> supplies to its employees are HP and they often bend from the heat.
>
> I'll take your word for it on HP. My brother used to like them, but I think
> he's been moving to Dell lately. (He's a Windows programmer who works from
> home and he was complaining about something in his older HPs.)

I only have an HP printer and these are the bastards who try to get you
to sign up for a monthly fee for ink or toner refills with them. It
sounds good until you find out that your printer is disabled because the
payment didn't go through.
<https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/HP-Instant-Ink/Do-you-know-that-HP-will-disable-your-printer-when-you-stop/td-p/8587102>

>>>>> Response to 2) — I don't even know what OPAL encryption is (and I don't
>>>>> give a fig). I could encrypt Linux Mint if I wanted to, I choose not to do
>>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> It is the standard method for hardware encryption and allows you to use
>>>> the storage at its full speed unlike the software method which
>>>> compromises on performance very considerably. It has the benefit of
>>>> keeping your data safe in case of theft without bogging down your hardware.
>>>
>>> Okay. I still have no interest in encryption. I've tried to recover data
>>> from an encrypted hard drive (not mine) in the past. It was futile (for me,
>>> at least) and I didn't like it.
>>
>> I admit that this is an issue which is why my most important data is
>> also synchronized on the cloud.
>
> I don't syncronize on the Cloud (except for notes in Simplenote).

I try to avoid it, but I don't mind my documents being synchronized and
encrypted as a last resort.

>> No, I'm stating that even in using Linux for a week or two, I eventually
>> faced an update which caused the machine to stop booting to desktop as
>> it should.
>
> Okay. Again, not my experience, but I don't have "exotic" hardware. Dell's
> business hardware is about as "plain Jane" as you can get.

It's not that exotic, but I admit that some of the things I got used to
in Windows are things I want to enable by default in Linux like charging
no higher than 80%. It's rather trivial to do that in Linux though.

--
CrudeSausage

On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-17 à 16:27, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-17, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-17 à 03:34, RonB a écrit :
>>>> On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:56, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 11:34, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-14, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> they like to use advanced functionality like
>>>>>>>>>> hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
>>>>>>>>> But they are not, to most users.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
>>>>>>>>> most users. That's not fair or consistent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
>>>>>>>>> whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
>>>>>>>>> off with Linux, but simply don't know it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
>>>>>>>> what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
>>>>>>>> that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, I'll make it clearer:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.
>>>>>>> 2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting
>>>>>>> in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).
>>>>>>> 3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay
>>>>>>> between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always
>>>>>>> overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system
>>>>>>> anew preserving settings and applications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Response to 1) — not in my experience. I use Intel GPUs, so maybe that makes
>>>>>> a difference.
>>>>>
>>>>> For power consumption, Intel is generally better than AMD on battery.
>>>>
>>>> Okay, I'll take your word for that. I've never (personally) had a laptop
>>>> that used an AMD CPU. I think my wife had one HP laptop that did — it was a
>>>> piece of crap. I think HP makes good business machines, but their consumer
>>>> laptops (and desktops) seem to be crap to me. I guess that can be said for
>>>> Dell also. I've used Dell's business machines for a long time now.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't buy a consumer-grade HP laptop considering how poor HP's
>>> motherboards seem to be. There is no end to negative reviews of their
>>> hardware and I know for a fact that the laptops my wife's company
>>> supplies to its employees are HP and they often bend from the heat.
>>
>> I'll take your word for it on HP. My brother used to like them, but I think
>> he's been moving to Dell lately. (He's a Windows programmer who works from
>> home and he was complaining about something in his older HPs.)
>
> I only have an HP printer and these are the bastards who try to get you
> to sign up for a monthly fee for ink or toner refills with them. It
> sounds good until you find out that your printer is disabled because the
> payment didn't go through.
><https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/HP-Instant-Ink/Do-you-know-that-HP-will-disable-your-printer-when-you-stop/td-p/8587102>

I don't like that kind of crap either. I think I might have mentioned this
but my wife bought an Epson ink jet printer (one of the tank ones) and was
(is) happy with its print quality. But a couple (maybe three, maybe four?
maybe five?) months ago it quit printing. Some bogus error. I looked it up
and found that there was nothing wrong with the printer, they just want to
force you to "repair it" or buy a new printer. I know this because because
someone is getting rich selling "reset" codes for these models for $10 a
pop. As a trial they give you a 30% reset for free (which is what I did to
see if the code would actually work) and the printer has been running fine
on that for however many months ago that I did this. Absolutely zero issues.

What really irritated me about this is my wife was printing obituary handouts
for her brother's funeral and that's when the printer decided to just stop.
Right in the middle of her job. If this doesn't scream "class action
lawsuit" I don't know what does. It's pure fraud.

And, when the pritner does this again, I'll pay $10 for the reset code
because it's a good printer. Epson has turned into a crappy company.

>>>>>> Response to 2) — I don't even know what OPAL encryption is (and I don't
>>>>>> give a fig). I could encrypt Linux Mint if I wanted to, I choose not to do
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is the standard method for hardware encryption and allows you to use
>>>>> the storage at its full speed unlike the software method which
>>>>> compromises on performance very considerably. It has the benefit of
>>>>> keeping your data safe in case of theft without bogging down your hardware.
>>>>
>>>> Okay. I still have no interest in encryption. I've tried to recover data
>>>> from an encrypted hard drive (not mine) in the past. It was futile (for me,
>>>> at least) and I didn't like it.
>>>
>>> I admit that this is an issue which is why my most important data is
>>> also synchronized on the cloud.
>>
>> I don't syncronize on the Cloud (except for notes in Simplenote).
>
> I try to avoid it, but I don't mind my documents being synchronized and
> encrypted as a last resort.

Every time I open my Chromebook it whines that I'm not syncing, which is
exactly what I want. I wish I knew how turn off the notification.

>>> No, I'm stating that even in using Linux for a week or two, I eventually
>>> faced an update which caused the machine to stop booting to desktop as
>>> it should.
>>
>> Okay. Again, not my experience, but I don't have "exotic" hardware. Dell's
>> business hardware is about as "plain Jane" as you can get.
>
> It's not that exotic, but I admit that some of the things I got used to
> in Windows are things I want to enable by default in Linux like charging
> no higher than 80%. It's rather trivial to do that in Linux though.

I looked into that once, decided it wasn't something to worry about (in my
case I'm not away from power that often — I don't do much traveling).

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Le 2024-12-18 à 06:47, RonB a écrit :

>> I only have an HP printer and these are the bastards who try to get you
>> to sign up for a monthly fee for ink or toner refills with them. It
>> sounds good until you find out that your printer is disabled because the
>> payment didn't go through.
>> <https://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/HP-Instant-Ink/Do-you-know-that-HP-will-disable-your-printer-when-you-stop/td-p/8587102>
>
> I don't like that kind of crap either. I think I might have mentioned this
> but my wife bought an Epson ink jet printer (one of the tank ones) and was
> (is) happy with its print quality. But a couple (maybe three, maybe four?
> maybe five?) months ago it quit printing. Some bogus error. I looked it up
> and found that there was nothing wrong with the printer, they just want to
> force you to "repair it" or buy a new printer. I know this because because
> someone is getting rich selling "reset" codes for these models for $10 a
> pop. As a trial they give you a 30% reset for free (which is what I did to
> see if the code would actually work) and the printer has been running fine
> on that for however many months ago that I did this. Absolutely zero issues.
>
> What really irritated me about this is my wife was printing obituary handouts
> for her brother's funeral and that's when the printer decided to just stop.
> Right in the middle of her job. If this doesn't scream "class action
> lawsuit" I don't know what does. It's pure fraud.
>
> And, when the pritner does this again, I'll pay $10 for the reset code
> because it's a good printer. Epson has turned into a crappy company.

If this is the way all companies work nowadays, I'm probably not going
to buy another one or at least research which company I can buy from
going forward to avoid this kind of garbage. Apparently, Brother is the
only one.

>>>
>>> I don't syncronize on the Cloud (except for notes in Simplenote).
>>
>> I try to avoid it, but I don't mind my documents being synchronized and
>> encrypted as a last resort.
>
> Every time I open my Chromebook it whines that I'm not syncing, which is
> exactly what I want. I wish I knew how turn off the notification.

All your data has to be away from the user and on the web! Why do you
refuse to comply?!

>>>> No, I'm stating that even in using Linux for a week or two, I eventually
>>>> faced an update which caused the machine to stop booting to desktop as
>>>> it should.
>>>
>>> Okay. Again, not my experience, but I don't have "exotic" hardware. Dell's
>>> business hardware is about as "plain Jane" as you can get.
>>
>> It's not that exotic, but I admit that some of the things I got used to
>> in Windows are things I want to enable by default in Linux like charging
>> no higher than 80%. It's rather trivial to do that in Linux though.
>
> I looked into that once, decided it wasn't something to worry about (in my
> case I'm not away from power that often — I don't do much traveling).

When I retire, I'll probably be in the same boat.

--
CrudeSausage

On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 11:47:55 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> And, when the pritner does this again, I'll pay $10 for the reset code
> because it's a good printer. Epson has turned into a crappy company.

Epson always was a crappy company. They embraced the Kodak principle of
selling the printer at or below cost and rape you on the ink. I don't
print often enough so ink jet printers have always been a problem for me.
After a few episodes with ammonia and a toothbrush every time you want to
print something you give up. My Samsung CLP-315 solved the problem. It
says a lot that I haven't replaced the toner. Either I really don't print
much or the Samsung came with full toner cartridges rather than Epson's
usual test drive filling.

Le 2024-12-18 à 14:19, rbowman a écrit :
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 11:47:55 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> And, when the pritner does this again, I'll pay $10 for the reset code
>> because it's a good printer. Epson has turned into a crappy company.
>
> Epson always was a crappy company. They embraced the Kodak principle of
> selling the printer at or below cost and rape you on the ink. I don't
> print often enough so ink jet printers have always been a problem for me.
> After a few episodes with ammonia and a toothbrush every time you want to
> print something you give up. My Samsung CLP-315 solved the problem. It
> says a lot that I haven't replaced the toner. Either I really don't print
> much or the Samsung came with full toner cartridges rather than Epson's
> usual test drive filling.

The Epson 440 inkjet I bought in 1999 or so managed about three prints
before it ran out of ink. I never bothered to buy another ink cartridge
for it.

--
CrudeSausage

On 2024-12-18, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 11:47:55 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> And, when the pritner does this again, I'll pay $10 for the reset code
>> because it's a good printer. Epson has turned into a crappy company.
>
> Epson always was a crappy company. They embraced the Kodak principle of
> selling the printer at or below cost and rape you on the ink. I don't
> print often enough so ink jet printers have always been a problem for me.
> After a few episodes with ammonia and a toothbrush every time you want to
> print something you give up. My Samsung CLP-315 solved the problem. It
> says a lot that I haven't replaced the toner. Either I really don't print
> much or the Samsung came with full toner cartridges rather than Epson's
> usual test drive filling.

That's what really ticked me off about this printer. They sold it at a
higher price, specifically emphasizing the value of the cheaper ink. I
assumed they did this because they were tired of losing supply revenue to
generic ink makers. And their ink is relatively cheap. We've always bought
OEM ink with this one because the price is reasonable and the quality is
good. What they didn't tell us is that they have a meter that shuts down
the printer down at a certain number of printed pages.

We had a Brother color laser printer, but we couldn't keep the heads aligned
worth a dang. I like Brother b/w laser printers, but not that color one. The
toner was also very expensive. My wife prints colored charts (and laminates
some of them) for her students. The ink jet does a better job with these
than a color laser printer. So the Epson ink printer works really well for
what she needs. I'll pay the $10 to fully reset the meter when the time
comes that it quits on us again. It's been going for quite a while on the
partial reset. I still don't like this tactic, however.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-12-19, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-18 à 14:19, rbowman a écrit :
>> On Wed, 18 Dec 2024 11:47:55 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>
>>> And, when the pritner does this again, I'll pay $10 for the reset code
>>> because it's a good printer. Epson has turned into a crappy company.
>>
>> Epson always was a crappy company. They embraced the Kodak principle of
>> selling the printer at or below cost and rape you on the ink. I don't
>> print often enough so ink jet printers have always been a problem for me.
>> After a few episodes with ammonia and a toothbrush every time you want to
>> print something you give up. My Samsung CLP-315 solved the problem. It
>> says a lot that I haven't replaced the toner. Either I really don't print
>> much or the Samsung came with full toner cartridges rather than Epson's
>> usual test drive filling.
>
> The Epson 440 inkjet I bought in 1999 or so managed about three prints
> before it ran out of ink. I never bothered to buy another ink cartridge
> for it.

These Espons I'm talking don't have replaceable cartridges. You just buy the
ink. They're called EccoTank printers. Basically the same system we used to
print signs and banners at the print shop where I worked, except on a much
smaller scale.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien