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Subject: Why MacOS is not a "fun" Unix to work with
From: vallor
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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 02:14 UTC

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From: vallor@cultnix.org (vallor)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Why MacOS is not a "fun" Unix to work with
Date: 15 Dec 2024 02:14:12 GMT
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# time -p tmutil latestbackup
tmutil: latestbackup requires Full Disk Access privileges.
To allow this operation, select Full Disk Access in the Privacy
tab of the Security & Privacy preference pane, and add Terminal
to the list of applications which are allowed Full Disk Access.
real 59.67
user 0.00
sys 0.00
_ _ _ _ _ _ _

So it takes almost a full minute to give an "access denied"?

Also, I already added Terminal to the list. MacOS wants something else.

I can run the command from the Terminal on the console, but not via ssh.

In the "Full Disk Access" application list, there's a "+" to add another
application. Clicking that gives a file dialog, but there is no way
to point it at /usr/sbin/sshd.

Linux wouldn't do this to me.

To check Time Machine status, I have to vnc in to the console -- where the
frame rate at login goes into the dirt, because Sequoia has a lovely moving
background on the login screen.

Honestly, I don't think these kids can steer...

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"Access denied - nyah nyah nya nyah nyah!"

Subject: Re: Why MacOS is not a "fun" Unix to work with
From: -hh
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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 02:43 UTC
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From: recscuba_google@huntzinger.com (-hh)
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Subject: Re: Why MacOS is not a "fun" Unix to work with
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 21:43:28 -0500
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On 12/14/24 9:14 PM, vallor wrote:
> # time -p tmutil latestbackup
> tmutil: latestbackup requires Full Disk Access privileges.
> To allow this operation, select Full Disk Access in the Privacy
> tab of the Security & Privacy preference pane, and add Terminal
> to the list of applications which are allowed Full Disk Access.
> real 59.67
> user 0.00
> sys 0.00
> _ _ _ _ _ _ _
>
> So it takes almost a full minute to give an "access denied"?

Something's wrong with your system; just a few seconds req'd:

Same error my first time too (& just a few seconds to respond):

admin$ time -p tmutil latestbackup
tmutil: latestbackup requires Full Disk Access privileges.
To allow this operation, select Full Disk Access in the Privacy
tab of the Security & Privacy preference pane, and add Terminal
to the list of applications which are allowed Full Disk Access.
real 0.05
user 0.00
sys 0.00

> Also, I already added Terminal to the list. MacOS wants something else.

One does have to relaunch Terminal, as the instructions say:

admin$ time -p tmutil latestbackup
/Volumes/.timemachine/5C733EB8-AEBA-483A-A71C-DCB2E40562FD/2024-12-14-211509.backup/2024-12-14-211509.backup
real 0.36
user 0.00
sys 0.01

> I can run the command from the Terminal on the console, but not via ssh.
> In the "Full Disk Access" application list, there's a "+" to add another
> application. Clicking that gives a file dialog, but there is no way
> to point it at /usr/sbin/sshd.

Seems that that's a deliberate choice.

> Linux wouldn't do this to me.

Of course it wouldn't.

> To check Time Machine status, I have to vnc in to the console -- where the
> frame rate at login goes into the dirt, because Sequoia has a lovely moving
> background on the login screen.
>
> Honestly, I don't think these kids can steer...

Or just sit at the physical machine like most folks do. From there,
{Finder/System Settings/General/Time Machine} gets you to the data of
the last backups to each attached TM target, plus also the first.

-hh

Subject: Re: Why MacOS is not a "fun" Unix to work with
From: vallor
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 03:02 UTC
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From: vallor@cultnix.org (vallor)
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Subject: Re: Why MacOS is not a "fun" Unix to work with
Date: 15 Dec 2024 03:02:17 GMT
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On 15 Dec 2024 02:14:12 GMT, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote in
<ls6sbkFt1pqU1@mid.individual.net>:

> # time -p tmutil latestbackup
> tmutil: latestbackup requires Full Disk Access privileges.
> To allow this operation, select Full Disk Access in the Privacy
> tab of the Security & Privacy preference pane, and add Terminal
> to the list of applications which are allowed Full Disk Access.
> real 59.67
> user 0.00
> sys 0.00
> _ _ _ _ _ _ _
>
> So it takes almost a full minute to give an "access denied"?
>
> Also, I already added Terminal to the list. MacOS wants something else.
>
> I can run the command from the Terminal on the console, but not via ssh.
>
> In the "Full Disk Access" application list, there's a "+" to add another
> application. Clicking that gives a file dialog, but there is no way
> to point it at /usr/sbin/sshd.
>
> Linux wouldn't do this to me.
>
> To check Time Machine status, I have to vnc in to the console -- where the
> frame rate at login goes into the dirt, because Sequoia has a lovely moving
> background on the login screen.
>
> Honestly, I don't think these kids can steer...

I'll give you another one.

I have two screenshots on my Desktop, both are png's.

However:
_[/Users/scott]_(scott@Mac)🍏_
$ cd Desktop
_[/Users/scott/Desktop]_(scott@Mac)🍏_
$ ls
ls: .: Operation not permitted
_[/Users/scott/Desktop]_(scott@Mac)🍏_
$ cd ..
_[/Users/scott]_(scott@Mac)🍏_
$ ls -ld Desktop
drwx------+ 8 scott staff 256 Dec 13 13:45 Desktop

Do you know how exceedingly stupid that is? And removing the acl
didn't do any good -- I had to retreat to vnc and use the terminal
there to copy the screenshots out of my Desktop directory.

tl;dr: MacOS is not a "fun" Unix to work with.

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Subject: Re: Why MacOS is not a "fun" Unix to work with
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 04:33 UTC
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From: ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence D'Oliveiro)
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Subject: Re: Why MacOS is not a "fun" Unix to work with
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 04:33:19 -0000 (UTC)
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comp / comp.os.linux.advocacy / Why MacOS is not a "fun" Unix to work with

Subject	Author
Why MacOS is not a "fun" Unix to work with	vallor
Re: Why MacOS is not a "fun" Unix to work with	-hh
Re: Why MacOS is not a "fun" Unix to work with	vallor
Re: Why MacOS is not a "fun" Unix to work with	Lawrence D'Oliveiro