On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 15:26:35 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:

>
> Who am I kidding? Ain't no one gonna answer.
>

I knew it. There ain't nobody here 'cept retarded distro
lackeys.

The whole point and purpose of GNU/Linux is DIY.

There are a LOT of GNU/Linux DIY people but not on this
fucking group.

Lackeys please go away. Find some other forum to occupy
your minuscule minds.

GNU/Linux is for MEN and not lackeys.

--
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:

>> Who am I kidding? Ain't no one gonna answer.
>
>I knew it. There ain't nobody here 'cept retarded distro
>lackeys.
>
>The whole point and purpose of GNU/Linux is DIY.
>
>There are a LOT of GNU/Linux DIY people but not on this
>fucking group.
>
>Lackeys please go away. Find some other forum to occupy
>your minuscule minds.
>
>GNU/Linux is for MEN and not lackeys.

Dude, you would be talking to yourself, if we restrict advocacy of
Linux to DIYers, you fucking imbecile. Grow the faintest of hearts.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 12/12/24 4:49 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
> Lackeys please go away. Find some other forum to occupy
> your minuscule minds.

Hahhahhahh :)

I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
That keeps me here.

But.. your way of approaching Linux will never do it of course. Somebody
needs to create a flavor of Linux on which installing new programs are
as simple as doing it on smartphones. I'm looking for such linux
products for desktops. If I find one, I'll never say anything else here
but describing that product :)

Then every one of you, including you, Flud, will become faithful user of
it for the rest of your lives.

On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 21:16:31 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:

>
> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
> That keeps me here.
>
> But.. your way of approaching Linux will never do it of course. Somebody
> needs to create a flavor of Linux on which installing new programs are
> as simple as doing it on smartphones.
>

In that case, you are not referring to COMPUTERS; you are referring to
APPLIANCES.

An appliance is a simple device that is strictly limited to a well defined,
small set of capabilities and nothing more.

A computer, in stark contrast, is an extremely complicated machine that
does nothing but that has the potential to do anything.

No two computing machines are exactly alike because of the huge number
of different hardware and configuration possibilities. As a consequence
it becomes difficult, if not impossible, for any software package to
accommodate all systems all the time.

Any computer must be intensively managed. There is no way to avoid that
basic fact.

A lot of GNU/Linux distros attempt to remove the user from the management
loop but the end result is always more of an appliance rather than a
computer.

For me, half the enjoyment of using GNU/Linux is the intensive
managementthat that is required, and if performed successfully such
management provides a truly powerful computing system and not a cheap
appliance.

I'm looking for such linux
> products for desktops. If I find one, I'll never say anything else here
> but describing that product :)
>
> Then every one of you, including you, Flud, will become faithful user of
> it for the rest of your lives.

--
Hail Linux! Hail FOSS! Hail Stallman!

Le 2024-12-12 à 22:16, Physfitfreak a écrit :
> On 12/12/24 4:49 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
>> Lackeys please go away.  Find some other forum to occupy
>> your minuscule minds.
>
>
> Hahhahhahh :)
>
> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
> That keeps me here.

And I have faith that Muslims will one day learn introspection so they
can finally figure out why everyone hates their guts as much as they
hate the Jews.

> But.. your way of approaching Linux will never do it of course. Somebody
> needs to create a flavor of Linux on which installing new programs are
> as simple as doing it on smartphones. I'm looking for such linux
> products for desktops. If I find one, I'll never say anything else here
> but describing that product :)
>
> Then every one of you, including you, Flud, will become faithful user of
> it for the rest of your lives.

Once everyone dies from nuclear war or nuclear fallout in 2099, 2100
will be the year of the Linux desktop for the few mutants who survive.

--
CrudeSausage

On 12/13/24 6:06 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 21:16:31 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:
>
>>
>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
>> That keeps me here.
>>
>> But.. your way of approaching Linux will never do it of course. Somebody
>> needs to create a flavor of Linux on which installing new programs are
>> as simple as doing it on smartphones.
>>
>
> In that case, you are not referring to COMPUTERS; you are referring to
> APPLIANCES.
>
> An appliance is a simple device that is strictly limited to a well defined,
> small set of capabilities and nothing more.
>
> A computer, in stark contrast, is an extremely complicated machine that
> does nothing but that has the potential to do anything.
>
> No two computing machines are exactly alike because of the huge number
> of different hardware and configuration possibilities. As a consequence
> it becomes difficult, if not impossible, for any software package to
> accommodate all systems all the time.
>
> Any computer must be intensively managed. There is no way to avoid that
> basic fact.
>
> A lot of GNU/Linux distros attempt to remove the user from the management
> loop but the end result is always more of an appliance rather than a
> computer.
>
> For me, half the enjoyment of using GNU/Linux is the intensive
> managementthat that is required, and if performed successfully such
> management provides a truly powerful computing system and not a cheap
> appliance.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm looking for such linux
>> products for desktops. If I find one, I'll never say anything else here
>> but describing that product :)
>>
>> Then every one of you, including you, Flud, will become faithful user of
>> it for the rest of your lives.
>
>
>
>
>

Linux is not a computer. And if the computer cpu's are too varied these
days to accomodate the linux that I want (which I doubt they're that
varied) then the team that creates the Linux should also create and
design the cpu for delivering such capabilities. I've discussed this
before here. 85 years have passed and you disoriented easily bought
people have not been able to create standards for CPUs which leave OS
_and_ computer programs free of limitations they have for a particular
CPU or OS.

I don't have restrictions in my mind that in YOUR mind are Gods of this
fucking universe. I'm not a computer scientist buried under limitations
that Al Capones of this country and this community have placed on it.

I'm talking common sense. Common to Modern Humans :)

Physfitfreak wrote:
> On 12/13/24 6:06 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 21:16:31 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
>>> That keeps me here.
>>>
>>> But.. your way of approaching Linux will never do it of course. Somebody
>>> needs to create a flavor of Linux on which installing new programs are
>>> as simple as doing it on smartphones.
>>>
>>
>> In that case, you are not referring to COMPUTERS; you are referring to
>> APPLIANCES.
>>
>> An appliance is a simple device that is strictly limited to a well
>> defined,
>> small set of capabilities and nothing more.
>>
>> A computer, in stark contrast, is an extremely complicated machine that
>> does nothing but that has the potential to do anything.
>>
>> No two computing machines are exactly alike because of the huge number
>> of different hardware and configuration possibilities.  As a consequence
>> it becomes difficult, if not impossible, for any software package to
>> accommodate all systems all the time.
>>
>> Any computer must be intensively managed.  There is no way to avoid that
>> basic fact.
>>
>> A lot of GNU/Linux distros attempt to remove the user from the management
>> loop but the end result is always more of an appliance rather than a
>> computer.
>>
>> For me, half the enjoyment of using GNU/Linux is the intensive
>> managementthat that is required, and if performed successfully such
>> management provides a truly powerful computing system and not a cheap
>> appliance.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   I'm looking for such linux
>>> products for desktops. If I find one, I'll never say anything else here
>>> but describing that product :)
>>>
>>> Then every one of you, including you, Flud, will become faithful user of
>>> it for the rest of your lives.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Linux is not a computer. And if the computer cpu's are too varied these
> days to accomodate the linux that I want (which I doubt they're that
> varied) then the team that creates the Linux should also create and
> design the cpu for delivering such capabilities. I've discussed this
> before here. 85 years have passed and you disoriented easily bought
> people have not been able to create standards for CPUs which leave OS
> _and_ computer programs free of limitations they have for a particular
> CPU or OS.
>
> I don't have restrictions in my mind that in YOUR mind are Gods of this
> fucking universe. I'm not a computer scientist buried under limitations
> that Al Capones of this country and this community have placed on it.
>
> I'm talking common sense. Common to Modern Humans :)
>
>
>
>
>
"managementthat " , lol

On 12/13/2024 9:40 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> Le 2024-12-12 à 22:16, Physfitfreak a écrit :
>> On 12/12/24 4:49 PM, Farley Flud wrote:
>>> Lackeys please go away.  Find some other forum to occupy
>>> your minuscule minds.
>>
>>
>> Hahhahhahh :)
>>
>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
>> That keeps me here.
>
> And I have faith that Muslims will one day learn introspection so they
> can finally figure out why everyone hates their guts as much as they
> hate the Jews.

Have you figured out why you hate Muslims AND Jews?

>> But.. your way of approaching Linux will never do it of course.
>> Somebody needs to create a flavor of Linux on which installing new
>> programs are as simple as doing it on smartphones. I'm looking for
>> such linux products for desktops. If I find one, I'll never say
>> anything else here but describing that product :)
>>
>> Then every one of you, including you, Flud, will become faithful user
>> of it for the rest of your lives.
>
> Once everyone dies from nuclear war or nuclear fallout in 2099, 2100
> will be the year of the Linux desktop for the few mutants who survive.

First new distro by the surviving GuhNoo dunces: Nucular Linux

On 12/12/2024 10:16 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:

> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
> That keeps me here.

Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
thought for 3+ decades.

Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.

Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.

DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>On 12/12/2024 10:16 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>
>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
>> That keeps me here.
>
>Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
>thought for 3+ decades.
>
>Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
>understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
>
>Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.

The two platforms coexist, I don't know why we're even talking about
Winblows being "ruined". It's ruined simply by outpacing the hardware
people typically have to boot it, Linux provides a usable alternative,
but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

CrudeSausage wrote:

>they like to use advanced functionality like
>hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.

When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
But they are not, to most users.

Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.

OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
most users. That's not fair or consistent.

As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
off with Linux, but simply don't know it.

Le 2024-12-14 à 08:52, chrisv a écrit :
> CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> they like to use advanced functionality like
>> hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.
>
> When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
> But they are not, to most users.
>
> Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
>
> OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
> most users. That's not fair or consistent.
>
> As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
> whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
> off with Linux, but simply don't know it.

Linux definitely has the privacy advantage but the reality is that the
people we would invite to using Linux as their daily driver would
immediately circumvent those advantages by signing up to services that
spy on them consistently like Facebook, and by removing the default
Firefox in favour of Google Chrome. Don't underestimate how retarded the
average person is.

--
CrudeSausage

On 12/14/2024 8:52 AM, shitv wrote:

> As always in this FUBAR market,

Only your brain is FUBAR.

> Linux serves, very well, those for
> whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
> off with Linux, but simply don't know it.

uh huh... only a few disgruntled GuhNoo idiots on Usenet are able to
assess operating systems and know what's best for others.

On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-13 à 22:05, DFS a écrit :
>> On 12/12/2024 10:16 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
>>> That keeps me here.
>>
>> Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
>> thought for 3+ decades.
>>
>> Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
>> understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
>>
>> Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.
>
> Linux will definitely hurt Windows here and there, but it can't compete
> with it on providing a complete experience. Like I mentioned to the
> resident faggot a few days ago, people not only want great battery life
> which is possible only with Windows (TLP improves consumption in Linux
> but it's still poor), but they like to use advanced functionality like
> hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.

I have laptops that can run both Linux and Windows. When running Windows the
fans come on often. When running Linux they don't. Also in Windows there
seems to be almost constant SSD (or Hard Drive) activity when I'm doing
nothing. In Linux this activity is almost non-existent. So, at least with my
business machines, your claim for superior battery life in Windows is not
true — maybe a game machine with high powered GPU would make a difference
here, so maybe I'm comparing apples with oranges.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-12-14, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>>they like to use advanced functionality like
>>hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.
>
> When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
> But they are not, to most users.
>
> Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
>
> OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
> most users. That's not fair or consistent.
>
> As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
> whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
> off with Linux, but simply don't know it.

Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-14 à 08:52, chrisv a écrit :
>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> they like to use advanced functionality like
>>> hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.
>>
>> When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
>> But they are not, to most users.
>>
>> Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
>>
>> OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
>> most users. That's not fair or consistent.
>>
>> As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
>> whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
>> off with Linux, but simply don't know it.
>
> Linux definitely has the privacy advantage but the reality is that the
> people we would invite to using Linux as their daily driver would
> immediately circumvent those advantages by signing up to services that
> spy on them consistently like Facebook, and by removing the default
> Firefox in favour of Google Chrome. Don't underestimate how retarded the
> average person is.

I'm not one of those people. Chrome has no place on my computers. Neither
does Facebook (or any of the popular "social" applications).

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-12-14, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-13 à 22:11, Joel a écrit :
>> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>>> On 12/12/2024 10:16 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
>>>> That keeps me here.
>>>
>>> Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
>>> thought for 3+ decades.
>>>
>>> Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
>>> understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
>>>
>>> Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.
>>
>>
>> The two platforms coexist, I don't know why we're even talking about
>> Winblows being "ruined". It's ruined simply by outpacing the hardware
>> people typically have to boot it, Linux provides a usable alternative,
>> but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.
>
> Because people don't have to worry that their third-party hardware might
> not work under Windows, and they don't have to worry that the software
> they like will execute. For desktop experience, the only area Linux can
> compete with Windows in is cost. If you have an under-performing machine
> but still want a decent experience, you're a lot more likely to get it
> with Linux. That's also why I am not even considering Windows for the
> twenty out-of-use computers the school board is going to send me to
> serve the financially-strapped neighbourhood I work in. These people can
> barely afford pencils, so it wouldn't make sense to give them Windows
> and tell them to buy software. However, if you can afford decent
> hardware, there truly is no good reason to run Linux. You can convince
> yourself that it's more secure, faster, lighter on resources or more
> private, but most of that doesn't even matter to the people who
> willingly give away most of their private information by default by
> getting onto platforms like Facebook, Instagram and "free" e-mail services.

I've been using Linux for 18 years because it's superior to Windows. Much
easier to maintain and use. A much more logical directory structure. Much
more reliable. And much faster, lighter, secure and private (as you
mentioned). And there's no ads popping up when you just want to look at the
temperature. Linux, if you're not married to M$ Office or Adobe rental crap
— or if you don't want to play video games designed specifically for
Windows — is a much better OS than Windows. Not even close.

There's a reason I don't use Windows and it's not because I can't afford it.
(Most of my Dell business machines have a Windows license built into the
BIOS, so it's free.) I use Linux because it's better. Period. I don't play
Windows' video games and I don't use Adobe rentware or M$ Office. Zero
desire to do so. The ability to run these applications is about the only
reason I can see for wanting to use Windows. Fortunately I don't have that
problem.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On Sat, 14 Dec 2024 16:50:27 -0000 (UTC), RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
wrote in <vjkd0j$28k0$10@dont-email.me>:

> Linux, if you're not married to M$ Office or Adobe rental crap
> — or if you don't want to play video games designed specifically for
> Windows — is a much better OS than Windows. Not even close.

Games with their proton ratings, sorted by most popular:

https://www.protondb.com/explore?sort=popular

Not all games run well on Linux. Many do.

(Also, it goes without saying that Office 365 works just
fine with Linux.)

--
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
OS: Linux 6.12.4 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"Copy from another: plagiarism. Copy from many: research."

On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-14 à 11:34, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-14, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> they like to use advanced functionality like
>>>> hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.
>>>
>>> When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
>>> But they are not, to most users.
>>>
>>> Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
>>>
>>> OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
>>> most users. That's not fair or consistent.
>>>
>>> As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
>>> whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
>>> off with Linux, but simply don't know it.
>>
>> Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
>> what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
>> that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)
>
> No, I'll make it clearer:
>
> 1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.
> 2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting
> in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).
> 3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay
> between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always
> overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system
> anew preserving settings and applications.

Response to 1) — not in my experience. I use Intel GPUs, so maybe that makes
a difference.

Response to 2) — I don't even know what OPAL encryption is (and I don't
give a fig). I could encrypt Linux Mint if I wanted to, I choose not to do
it.

Response to 3) — As I've mentioned (a few times now) Linux works fine for me
when updating computers that haven't been updated for over year, sometimes
even multiple years. I've never had a Linux OS update failure. Meanwhile, my
son's Windows 10 computer is running like a snail (with obvious issues) —
and it refuses to update. I've tried about five Windows' "solutions" so far.
No luck. I saw that it had an update "troubleshooter." I ran it. It claimed,
for about FIVE hours, that it was "resolving the problem." It completed the
"fix" with the message "Update Problem Found." Like no shit, Sherlock,
that's why I ran the damn troubleshooter, because I had already "found" the
problem. I know what's going to end up fixing it. Using a Linux USB to back
up the files my son wants to save and rebuilding from scratch. This is
always the way you "fix" Windows crap.

Out of curiosity, how would you know Linux doesn't update properly if not
updated regularly? You never keep it installed long enough to know this.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Le 2024-12-16 à 05:56, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-12-14 à 11:34, RonB a écrit :
>>> On 2024-12-14, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> they like to use advanced functionality like
>>>>> hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.
>>>>
>>>> When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
>>>> But they are not, to most users.
>>>>
>>>> Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
>>>> most users. That's not fair or consistent.
>>>>
>>>> As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
>>>> whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
>>>> off with Linux, but simply don't know it.
>>>
>>> Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
>>> what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
>>> that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)
>>
>> No, I'll make it clearer:
>>
>> 1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.
>> 2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting
>> in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).
>> 3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay
>> between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always
>> overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system
>> anew preserving settings and applications.
>
> Response to 1) — not in my experience. I use Intel GPUs, so maybe that makes
> a difference.

For power consumption, Intel is generally better than AMD on battery.

> Response to 2) — I don't even know what OPAL encryption is (and I don't
> give a fig). I could encrypt Linux Mint if I wanted to, I choose not to do
> it.

It is the standard method for hardware encryption and allows you to use
the storage at its full speed unlike the software method which
compromises on performance very considerably. It has the benefit of
keeping your data safe in case of theft without bogging down your hardware.

> Response to 3) — As I've mentioned (a few times now) Linux works fine for me
> when updating computers that haven't been updated for over year, sometimes
> even multiple years. I've never had a Linux OS update failure. Meanwhile, my
> son's Windows 10 computer is running like a snail (with obvious issues) —
> and it refuses to update. I've tried about five Windows' "solutions" so far.
> No luck. I saw that it had an update "troubleshooter." I ran it. It claimed,
> for about FIVE hours, that it was "resolving the problem." It completed the
> "fix" with the message "Update Problem Found." Like no shit, Sherlock,
> that's why I ran the damn troubleshooter, because I had already "found" the
> problem. I know what's going to end up fixing it. Using a Linux USB to back
> up the files my son wants to save and rebuilding from scratch. This is
> always the way you "fix" Windows crap.
>
> Out of curiosity, how would you know Linux doesn't update properly if not
> updated regularly? You never keep it installed long enough to know this.

That is actually part of why I don't keep Linux installed for long.

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CrudeSausage

On 2024-12-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-12-16 à 05:56, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-12-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-12-14 à 11:34, RonB a écrit :
>>>> On 2024-12-14, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> they like to use advanced functionality like
>>>>>> hardware encryption. The latter simply doesn't work under Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> When Windows has the advantage, you tout such concerns as important.
>>>>> But they are not, to most users.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many users don't use much software but a Web browser.
>>>>>
>>>>> OTOH, you disregard the Linux privacy advantage as not important to
>>>>> most users. That's not fair or consistent.
>>>>>
>>>>> As always in this FUBAR market, Linux serves, very well, those for
>>>>> whom the mainstream options are inadequate. Many more would be better
>>>>> off with Linux, but simply don't know it.
>>>>
>>>> Linux has not only been "adequate" but superior for me for 18 years. I think
>>>> what "Crude" means is that Linux is not as good as Windows for playing games
>>>> that are made FOR Windows. (Like that's a huge surprise.)
>>>
>>> No, I'll make it clearer:
>>>
>>> 1) Linux is worse for laptop battery life.
>>> 2) Linux doesn't support hardware encryption on OPAL drives (resulting
>>> in a terrible performance hit if you decide to encrypt).
>>> 3) Linux's update system is superior as long as there is no long delay
>>> between updates, but can break things otherwise because they always
>>> overwrite whereas Windows's big updates install the operating system
>>> anew preserving settings and applications.
>>
>> Response to 1) — not in my experience. I use Intel GPUs, so maybe that makes
>> a difference.
>
> For power consumption, Intel is generally better than AMD on battery.

Okay, I'll take your word for that. I've never (personally) had a laptop
that used an AMD CPU. I think my wife had one HP laptop that did — it was a
piece of crap. I think HP makes good business machines, but their consumer
laptops (and desktops) seem to be crap to me. I guess that can be said for
Dell also. I've used Dell's business machines for a long time now.

>> Response to 2) — I don't even know what OPAL encryption is (and I don't
>> give a fig). I could encrypt Linux Mint if I wanted to, I choose not to do
>> it.
>
> It is the standard method for hardware encryption and allows you to use
> the storage at its full speed unlike the software method which
> compromises on performance very considerably. It has the benefit of
> keeping your data safe in case of theft without bogging down your hardware.

Okay. I still have no interest in encryption. I've tried to recover data
from an encrypted hard drive (not mine) in the past. It was futile (for me,
at least) and I didn't like it.

>> Response to 3) — As I've mentioned (a few times now) Linux works fine for me
>> when updating computers that haven't been updated for over year, sometimes
>> even multiple years. I've never had a Linux OS update failure. Meanwhile, my
>> son's Windows 10 computer is running like a snail (with obvious issues) —
>> and it refuses to update. I've tried about five Windows' "solutions" so far.
>> No luck. I saw that it had an update "troubleshooter." I ran it. It claimed,
>> for about FIVE hours, that it was "resolving the problem." It completed the
>> "fix" with the message "Update Problem Found." Like no shit, Sherlock,
>> that's why I ran the damn troubleshooter, because I had already "found" the
>> problem. I know what's going to end up fixing it. Using a Linux USB to back
>> up the files my son wants to save and rebuilding from scratch. This is
>> always the way you "fix" Windows crap.
>>
>> Out of curiosity, how would you know Linux doesn't update properly if not
>> updated regularly? You never keep it installed long enough to know this.
>
> That is actually part of why I don't keep Linux installed for long.

Okay, so... your judging Linux by hearsay?

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 12/13/2024 10:11 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>> On 12/12/2024 10:16 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>
>>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
>>> That keeps me here.
>>
>> Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
>> thought for 3+ decades.
>>
>> Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
>> understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
>>
>> Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.
>
>
> The two platforms coexist, I don't know why we're even talking about
> Winblows being "ruined".

It's just ignorant GuhNoo drooling. No substance to their fantasies.
There never has been, for 30+ years.

> It's ruined simply by outpacing the hardware
> people typically have to boot it,

Win11 Pro runs fast on my low-end system:

item and current new prices:

AMD 5600G chip $139
MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk mobo $140
Crucial 16GB DDR4-3200 memory $33
nVidia GTX 750Ti 2GB single-fan video $124
Team 256GB NVMe boot/app drive $23
WD 2TB SSD data/storage drive $189

Total $648

It's not easy to even find a prebuilt AMD 5600 system more expensive
than that. So Win11 has NOT outpaced low-end hardware.

The benchmarks on my system are low, but in use it's fast at everything.
The most noticeable bottleneck by far is copying big files to my HDD
backup drive.

> Linux provides a usable alternative,
> but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.

No duh. Windows runs all their home and work software, documents, and
games.

I can plug my iPhone into a USB port and it shows up in Windows Explorer
right away (after I hit 'Allow' on the phone). At that point I can
mostly treat the iPhone as any other storage device.

Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
picture files just as easily?

DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>On 12/13/2024 10:11 PM, Joel wrote:
>> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>>> On 12/12/2024 10:16 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have faith in Linux, that it can ruin Microsoft's Windows business.
>>>> That keeps me here.
>>>
>>> Smarter, more informed FOSS bozos than you have been drooling that
>>> thought for 3+ decades.
>>>
>>> Despite the info being easily available, you wackos still don't seem to
>>> understand how entrenched Windows is everywhere in the world.
>>>
>>> Your world, and Feeb's, will fade to black LONG before Microsoft's.
>>
>> The two platforms coexist, I don't know why we're even talking about
>> Winblows being "ruined".
>
>It's just ignorant GuhNoo drooling. No substance to their fantasies.
>There never has been, for 30+ years.

Win11 remains the prince OS, supporting bleeding-edge hardware.

>> It's ruined simply by outpacing the hardware
>> people typically have to boot it,
>
>Win11 Pro runs fast on my low-end system:
>
>item and current new prices:
>
>AMD 5600G chip $139
>MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk mobo $140
>Crucial 16GB DDR4-3200 memory $33
>nVidia GTX 750Ti 2GB single-fan video $124
>Team 256GB NVMe boot/app drive $23
>WD 2TB SSD data/storage drive $189
>
>Total $648
>
>It's not easy to even find a prebuilt AMD 5600 system more expensive
>than that. So Win11 has NOT outpaced low-end hardware.
>
>The benchmarks on my system are low, but in use it's fast at everything.
> The most noticeable bottleneck by far is copying big files to my HDD
>backup drive.
>
>> Linux provides a usable alternative,
>> but people stubbornly, patiently put up with M$.
>
>No duh. Windows runs all their home and work software, documents, and
>games.
>
>I can plug my iPhone into a USB port and it shows up in Windows Explorer
>right away (after I hit 'Allow' on the phone). At that point I can
>mostly treat the iPhone as any other storage device.
>
>Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
>picture files just as easily?

You're tolerating the bloat, I'm not. As for linking my phone, my
computer has Bluetooth, I imagine I could use that.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 12:31:16 -0500, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca>
wrote in <vjsch4$1r7up$3@dont-email.me>:

> I can plug my iPhone into a USB port and it shows up in Windows Explorer
> right away (after I hit 'Allow' on the phone). At that point I can
> mostly treat the iPhone as any other storage device.
>
> Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
> picture files just as easily?

Yes.

In fact, you just reminded me that I bought a USB-c cable to back up
my phone's images. Plugged it in, set the Pixel 7 pro to "data" (ptp),
and it appeared in the File Manager.

I'm running an rsync now. To do that, you have to know where the mount
is, which is under /run/user. (It's in the gvfs directory, being a gvfs
mount.)

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On Tue, 17 Dec 2024 12:31:16 -0500, DFS wrote:

> Can you plug your Android phone into your Debian system and read the
> picture files just as easily?

Yes. Data transfer has to be enabled.