pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:vjemr1$24puc$1@dont-email.me:

> On 2024-12-12, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Baxter wrote:
>>
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Baxter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
>>>>>you can recruit and train those workers.
>>>>
>>>> Not MUCH higher, because we can still allow immigration. Just not
>>>> avalanche of it that we've under the Biden administration.
>>>
>>> Not enough.
>>
>> If the legal system is inadequate, we can expand it. It simply
>> requires the political will to do so. Letting them pour over our
>> border unvetted is not the solution.
>
> Yes.
> I think most agree that the current system is inefficient, outdated
> and poorly administrated so we need to invest whatever it takes to
> improve it.

And tRump killed the legislation that would have done exactly that.

In article <vjfsfe$30i6b$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:675a4973$0$1895494$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
> > In article <vjdgnd$1qdi9$3@dont-email.me>,
> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>
> >> On 12/11/24 6:33 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >> > In article <vjd0un$1nulf$2@dont-email.me>,
> >> > bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
> >> >>
> >> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >> >> news:6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >> >>
> >> >>> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>,
> >> >>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >> >>>> news:6759b2d9$8$1895507 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
> >> >>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> >> >>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> -hh wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
> >> >>>>>>>> skills
> >> >>>>>> within
> >> >>>>>>>> the GOP:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> [quote]
> >> >>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass
> >> >>>>>>>> deportations:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus
> >> >>>>>>>> illegals who are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor
> >> >>>>>>>> force..."
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're
> >> >>>>>>>> already part
> >> >>>> of
> >> >>>>>>>> the labor force."
> >> >>>>>>>> [/quote]
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
> >> >>>>>>> Witness. Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market,
> >> >>>>>>> and still are.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
> >> >>>> highhorse.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves
> >> >>>> until you can recruit and train those workers. From time to
> >> >>>> time some have tried those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with
> >> >>>> those immigrants.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no
> >> >>> problem. See how that works?
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> They refuse to issue work visas. There are virtually NO legal way
> >> >> to immigate to the US. People have been on waiting lists for
> >> >> decades.
> >> >
> >> > Bullshit. It can be done from their own country. I lived on the
> >> > border in AZ for many years. I know how it works.
> >>
> >> So much depends on what category, which type of permit and with which
> >> restrictions...and they all have quotas.
> >>
> >> For example, for someone who's applying for a green card based on
> >> just being an adult sibling of a US Citizen already living here, it
> >> falls into a country quota set in the 1964 immigration act, and while
> >> the general que is over a decade long, some countries such as Mexico
> >> are even longer. To whit:
> >>
> >> [quote]
> >> How Long Does It Take Siblings of U.S. Citizens To Get a Green Card?
> >> The process usually takes 14-16 years for siblings of U.S. citizens.
> >>
> >> However, it depends on your home country:
> >>
> >> For citizens of India, the process can take 16+ years
> >> For citizens of Mexico, 20+ years
> >> For citizens of the Philippines, 24+ years
> >> [/quote]
> >>
> >> <https://www.immigrationhelp.org/learning-center/green-card-processing
> >> -times>
> >>
> >> And as you should know, a green card is the pragmatic minimum for
> >> planning residency, because work permits are quite temporary.
> >>
> >>
> > So? Just follow the law and allow yourself to be vetted then you are
> > welcome.
> >
> Just read an account where they followed the law - they waited in Tijuama
> until they could get an appointment to apply for amnisty - now the women,
> her husband and MIL are in separate detentions in Alabama and her 1yro
> child has been taken from her and placed in foster care. That's the INS
> for you - that's what comes of Following the Law.

Who are you talking about? Anyway Joe is still president so it's his
fault.

In article <vjfsgv$30i6b$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:675a4a90$4$2385550$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>
> > So? Just follow the rules and don't jump the fence. Why is that so
> > hard for you tards?
> >
> And if you follow the rule you can end up in Detention anyway.

Not if you have nothing to hide.

In article <vjfsn5$30i6b$4@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> news:svillj5732g02g8rog4t6q2jfsoo069e7s@4ax.com:
>
> > Baxter wrote:
> >
> >> chrisv wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Baxter wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until you
> >>>>can recruit and train those workers.
> >>>
> >>> Not MUCH higher, because we can still allow immigration. Just not
> >>> avalanche of it that we've under the Biden administration.
> >>
> >> Not enough.
> >
> > If the legal system is inadequate, we can expand it. It simply
> > requires the political will to do so. Letting them pour over our
> > border unvetted is not the solution.
> >
> "
> Who says we're letting them "pour over our border unvetted"? Why only
> rabid conservaturds - especially tRump. Except when Dems tried to get a
> bi-partisan bill though, tRump killed it.

The videos don't lie. The bill had a bunch of pork in it.

In article <vjfsp0$30i6b$5@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
> news:vjemr1$24puc$1@dont-email.me:
>
> > On 2024-12-12, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >> Baxter wrote:
> >>
> >>> chrisv wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Baxter wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
> >>>>>you can recruit and train those workers.
> >>>>
> >>>> Not MUCH higher, because we can still allow immigration. Just not
> >>>> avalanche of it that we've under the Biden administration.
> >>>
> >>> Not enough.
> >>
> >> If the legal system is inadequate, we can expand it. It simply
> >> requires the political will to do so. Letting them pour over our
> >> border unvetted is not the solution.
> >
> > Yes.
> > I think most agree that the current system is inefficient, outdated
> > and poorly administrated so we need to invest whatever it takes to
> > improve it.
>
> And tRump killed the legislation that would have done exactly that.

He wasn't even in office. Sorry bud.

On Dec 12, 2024 at 4:48:48 PM MST, "Baxter" wrote
<vjfsp0$30i6b$5@dont-email.me>:

> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
> news:vjemr1$24puc$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 2024-12-12, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>> Baxter wrote:
>>>
>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Baxter wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
>>>>>> you can recruit and train those workers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not MUCH higher, because we can still allow immigration. Just not
>>>>> avalanche of it that we've under the Biden administration.
>>>>
>>>> Not enough.
>>>
>>> If the legal system is inadequate, we can expand it. It simply
>>> requires the political will to do so. Letting them pour over our
>>> border unvetted is not the solution.
>>
>> Yes.
>> I think most agree that the current system is inefficient, outdated
>> and poorly administrated so we need to invest whatever it takes to
>> improve it.
>
> And tRump killed the legislation that would have done exactly that.

And then blamed the Democrats.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Dec 12, 2024 at 4:47:49 PM MST, "Baxter" wrote
<vjfsn5$30i6b$4@dont-email.me>:

> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> news:svillj5732g02g8rog4t6q2jfsoo069e7s@4ax.com:
>
>> Baxter wrote:
>>
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Baxter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until you
>>>>> can recruit and train those workers.
>>>>
>>>> Not MUCH higher, because we can still allow immigration. Just not
>>>> avalanche of it that we've under the Biden administration.
>>>
>>> Not enough.
>>
>> If the legal system is inadequate, we can expand it. It simply
>> requires the political will to do so. Letting them pour over our
>> border unvetted is not the solution.
>>
> "
> Who says we're letting them "pour over our border unvetted"?

Fox. And mindless people who listen to Fox.

> Why only
> rabid conservaturds - especially tRump. Except when Dems tried to get a
> bi-partisan bill though, tRump killed it.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 12/12/24 7:17 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <vjfsn5$30i6b$4@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> says...
>>
>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>> news:svillj5732g02g8rog4t6q2jfsoo069e7s@4ax.com:
>>
>>> Baxter wrote:
>>>
>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Baxter wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until you
>>>>>> can recruit and train those workers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not MUCH higher, because we can still allow immigration. Just not
>>>>> avalanche of it that we've under the Biden administration.
>>>>
>>>> Not enough.
>>>
>>> If the legal system is inadequate, we can expand it. It simply
>>> requires the political will to do so. Letting them pour over our
>>> border unvetted is not the solution.
>>>
>> "
>> Who says we're letting them "pour over our border unvetted"? Why only
>> rabid conservaturds - especially tRump. Except when Dems tried to get a
>> bi-partisan bill though, tRump killed it.
>
> The videos don't lie. The bill had a bunch of pork in it.

Funny ... I've asked before on COLA for those who claim that there was
excessive pork to provide an actual list.

Whatever happened to that list?

Can you provide a list of this alleged pork?

And just as importantly, since pork's been a tradition for decades,
point out just where it was actually excessive, instead of BAU?

-hh

On 12/12/24 5:43 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <vjfm4t$2t2cf$3@dont-email.me>,
> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>
>> On 12/11/24 9:11 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <vjde57$1q2jn$2@dont-email.me>,
>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 12/11/24 4:08 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>> In article <vjcujs$1lg1b$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/11/24 3:07 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <vjcqqq$1lg1b$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/11/24 10:42 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
>>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals who
>>>>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already part of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
>>>>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still are.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -highhorse.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure, there's always going to be *some* uptake, but the low unemployment
>>>>>>>> rate means that the current labor shortage will be made worse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> citizens who would opt for those jobs, but the low unemployment rate
>>>>>>>> shows that many jobs will have to go unfilled, which means that employer
>>>>>>>> competition would increase those jobs' wages.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course, those higher business costs would be passed along by the
>>>>>>>> employers as higher product costs .. which causes higher inflation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So much for keeping his campaign promise to lower retail prices.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The ones working now just need work visas and they can continue working.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They won't be able to, because the GOP believes that to issue work visas
>>>>>> would be considered to be "Amnesty" ... plus they'll be deported first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> There are already people on work visas. Those are legal and won't be
>>>>> deported.
>>>>
>>>> Some, but not millions.
>>>
>>>
>>> Millions not needed.
>>
>> Except that it is already Millions working thusly here in the USA.
>
> Then we don't need any more.

Actually, since unemployment is below the textbook definition of "Full"
employment, we do need more, because worker shortages hinders growth.

And to put a big round number on it, at one percentage point under Full
times the current workforce size (168M), it means that we have capacity
for 1.68 million new workers right now.

To put this into perspective, the total US immigration quota is
675,000/year, so we have at least a 2.5 year immigration backlog
shortfall need.

>> In Idaho, its literally half of all of the diary workers in the State.
>
> So? Are they legal?

"Don't ask, don't tell". You going to curtail the dairy supply to sort
it all out by deporting them & making them reapply? Don't forget that
dairy cows that go more than IIRC 20 hours without being milked get injured.

-hh

On 12/11/24 9:13 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <vjdecb$1qdi9$1@dont-email.me>,
> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>
>> On 12/11/24 4:11 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <vjcuop$1lg1b$4@dont-email.me>,
>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 12/11/24 3:11 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>> In article <vjcr99$1ljtr$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/11/24 2:58 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <vjcple$1mhot$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b184$3$3620709
>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <vjc3b8$1i4rt$4@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/11/24 7:19 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> {...}
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And do note that Musk is into Bitcoin - specifically DOGE
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ============
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Elon Musk?s Bitcoin Holdings Surge to $2 Billion as Asset Crosses
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $100,000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So? He's rich and can do that shit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If crypto does happen, what's your response if Musk convinces Trump to
>>>>>>>>>> put the money into DOGEcoin instead of the much more popular BITcoin?
>>>>>>>>>> Because not all cyrpto is fungible... that's what's in it for Musk.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't really care as long as there is gas in my tank and food on my
>>>>>>>>> table.
>>>>>>>> ===========
>>>>>>>> People voted for deportations but also cheap groceries, and you can?t
>>>>>>>> have both. If you?re worried about groceries, hoo boy. Fifteen percent of
>>>>>>>> construction workers, half of food workers, and our annual GDP will be
>>>>>>>> tits-up, you morons. Do you like food? Grab your ankles! Many are
>>>>>>>> essential workers, what part of essential don?t you understand? And they
>>>>>>>> also spend money and pay taxes, dumbass.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As long as they have work visas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GOP claims that that is "Amnesty" and has been blocking it.
>>>>>> Next!
>>>>>>
>>>>> I don't care. It's legal and it works.
>>>>
>>>> So just how is that legislation going to be passed in a GOP triple
>>>> majority?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -hh
>>>
>>> Work visas are already a thing.
>>
>> Are there 13 million of them?
>> Nope. The US issues ~140,000 visas/year.
>>
>> So then ... where's the other 99% going to be coming from?
>
>
> WTF are you even trying to say?

See: "Magnuson Act"

-hh

On 12/12/24 10:59 AM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> news:vjdh1t$1qdi9$4@dont-email.me...
>> On 12/11/24 7:34 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <vjcv1e$1lg1b$5@dont-email.me>,
>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 12/11/24 3:17 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:vjcple$1mhot$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b184$3$3620709
>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <vjc3b8$1i4rt$4@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/11/24 7:19 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> {...}
>>>>>>>>>>>> And do note that Musk is into Bitcoin - specifically DOGE
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ============
>>>>>>>>>>>> Elon Musk?s Bitcoin Holdings Surge to $2 Billion as Asset
>>>>>>>>>>>> Crosses
>>>>>>>>>>>> $100,000
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So? He's rich and can do that shit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If crypto does happen, what's your response if Musk convinces
>>>>>>>> Trump to
>>>>>>>> put the money into DOGEcoin instead of the much more popular
>>>>>>>> BITcoin?
>>>>>>>> Because not all cyrpto is fungible... that's what's in it for Musk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't really care as long as there is gas in my tank and food
>>>>>>> on my
>>>>>>> table.
>>>>
>>>> There won't be, which is the point.
>>>
>>> Oh there will be. Gas has already gone down since he won.
>>
>> Biden's still in charge.  Latest market news on crude price declines
>> is because demand in China is softening: world markets FYI.
>>
>>
>>>>>> ===========
>>>>>> People voted for deportations but also cheap groceries, and you can't
>>>>>> have both.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure we can. Deport the criminals, support the guest workers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Illegal vs legal.
>>>>
>>>> Problem is that immigrants who crossed the border without papers fall
>>>> into the "Illegal" column above, so they'll get deported before they
>>>> can
>>>> apply to become guest workers.
>>>
>>>
>>> Should have thought of that before they jumped the fence.
>>
>> And applied for amnesty, which makes it a fully legal immigration.
>
> Only if the amnesty is granted.

And most of the time it isn't. But its legal for them to stay in the US
(and work) while their waiting for their day in court; current backlog
is IIRC ~4 years.

> Further given Mexico's neutral status,
> I'm not sure an entry from Mexico would really count as they have
> already escaped their issues when they entered Mexico... however, that's
> not a hard and fast rule, but in general that should apply.
>
> No if they want a work visa.. rather than refugee status, that would be
> a lot easier and they could do that while we consider any application
> for refugee status.

But the problem is that the work visa has a quota limit, and there's
more applicants than visa slots. The USA's high demand for workers
rewards those who circumvent the system and work under the table...

....and we allow this to happen, by not punishing the US employers.

-hh

On 12/12/24 10:53 AM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> news:vjcv1e$1lg1b$5@dont-email.me...
>> On 12/11/24 3:17 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>>> news:vjcple$1mhot$2@dont-email.me...
>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b184$3$3620709
>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <vjc3b8$1i4rt$4@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/11/24 7:19 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>> > {...}
>>>>>> >>>> And do note that Musk is into Bitcoin - specifically DOGE
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> ============
>>>>>> >>>> Elon Musk?s Bitcoin Holdings Surge to $2 Billion as Asset
>>>>>> Crosses
>>>>>> >>>> $100,000
>>>>>> >>>> ...>>>
>>>>>> >>> So? He's rich and can do that shit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If crypto does happen, what's your response if Musk convinces
>>>>>> Trump to
>>>>>> put the money into DOGEcoin instead of the much more popular BITcoin?
>>>>>> Because not all cyrpto is fungible... that's what's in it for Musk.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't really care as long as there is gas in my tank and food on my
>>>>> table.
>>
>> There won't be, which is the point.
>>
>>>> ===========
>>>> People voted for deportations but also cheap groceries, and you can't
>>>> have both.
>>>
>>> Sure we can. Deport the criminals, support the guest workers.
>>>
>>> Illegal vs legal.
>>
>> Problem is that immigrants who crossed the border without papers fall
>> into the "Illegal" column above, so they'll get deported before they
>> can apply to become guest workers.
>>
>>> Disobeying the law vs Obeying the law
>>
>> too late = water under the bridge.
>>
>> And the GOP opposes any forgiveness of immigration violations,
>> labeling it "Amnesty".  Doesn't matter to them today that Ronald
>> Reagan did it.
>
> Not totally, most I've talked to would simply require they first leave
> the country and then reapply for a work visa and entry. I think were
> most oppose the general idea is when we reward them while in violation
> of our laws.
>
> Yes, it would be a PITA for them to do this.. but seems like a small
> price to pay for their crime up to this point in order to become legal.

If its such a small price to pay, make their current employer pay for it.

Or better yet, make them pay a fine equal to the cost and waive the need
for the worker to go on an airline flight: free government revenue to
help balance the budget!

-hh

In article <vjg1fa$2t2cf$6@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>
> On 12/12/24 5:43 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <vjfm4t$2t2cf$3@dont-email.me>,
> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>
> >> On 12/11/24 9:11 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>> In article <vjde57$1q2jn$2@dont-email.me>,
> >>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12/11/24 4:08 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>> In article <vjcujs$1lg1b$3@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 12/11/24 3:07 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article <vjcqqq$1lg1b$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 12/11/24 10:42 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> >>>>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
> >>>>>>>>>> within
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals who
> >>>>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already part of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still are.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -highhorse.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sure, there's always going to be *some* uptake, but the low unemployment
> >>>>>>>> rate means that the current labor shortage will be made worse.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> citizens who would opt for those jobs, but the low unemployment rate
> >>>>>>>> shows that many jobs will have to go unfilled, which means that employer
> >>>>>>>> competition would increase those jobs' wages.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Of course, those higher business costs would be passed along by the
> >>>>>>>> employers as higher product costs .. which causes higher inflation.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So much for keeping his campaign promise to lower retail prices.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The ones working now just need work visas and they can continue working.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> They won't be able to, because the GOP believes that to issue work visas
> >>>>>> would be considered to be "Amnesty" ... plus they'll be deported first.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> There are already people on work visas. Those are legal and won't be
> >>>>> deported.
> >>>>
> >>>> Some, but not millions.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Millions not needed.
> >>
> >> Except that it is already Millions working thusly here in the USA.
> >
> > Then we don't need any more.
>
> Actually, since unemployment is below the textbook definition of "Full"
> employment, we do need more, because worker shortages hinders growth.
>
> And to put a big round number on it, at one percentage point under Full
> times the current workforce size (168M), it means that we have capacity
> for 1.68 million new workers right now.
>
> To put this into perspective, the total US immigration quota is
> 675,000/year, so we have at least a 2.5 year immigration backlog
> shortfall need.
>
>
> >> In Idaho, its literally half of all of the diary workers in the State.
> >
> > So? Are they legal?
>
> "Don't ask, don't tell". You going to curtail the dairy supply to sort
> it all out by deporting them & making them reapply? Don't forget that
> dairy cows that go more than IIRC 20 hours without being milked get injured.
>
>
> -hh

if they been there that long they should be legal.

On 12/12/24 10:40 AM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> news:vjcuop$1lg1b$4@dont-email.me...
>> On 12/11/24 3:11 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <vjcr99$1ljtr$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 12/11/24 2:58 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>> In article <vjcple$1mhot$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b184$3$3620709
>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <vjc3b8$1i4rt$4@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/11/24 7:19 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> {...}
>>>>>>>>>>>> And do note that Musk is into Bitcoin - specifically DOGE
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ============
>>>>>>>>>>>> Elon Musk?s Bitcoin Holdings Surge to $2 Billion as Asset
>>>>>>>>>>>> Crosses
>>>>>>>>>>>> $100,000
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So? He's rich and can do that shit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If crypto does happen, what's your response if Musk convinces
>>>>>>>> Trump to
>>>>>>>> put the money into DOGEcoin instead of the much more popular
>>>>>>>> BITcoin?
>>>>>>>> Because not all cyrpto is fungible... that's what's in it for Musk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't really care as long as there is gas in my tank and food
>>>>>>> on my
>>>>>>> table.
>>>>>> ===========
>>>>>> People voted for deportations but also cheap groceries, and you can?t
>>>>>> have both. If you?re worried about groceries, hoo boy. Fifteen
>>>>>> percent of
>>>>>> construction workers, half of food workers, and our annual GDP
>>>>>> will be
>>>>>> tits-up, you morons. Do you like food? Grab your ankles! Many are
>>>>>> essential workers, what part of essential don?t you understand?
>>>>>> And they
>>>>>> also spend money and pay taxes, dumbass.
>>>>>
>>>>> As long as they have work visas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> GOP claims that that is "Amnesty" and has been blocking it.
>>>> Next!
>>>>
>>> I don't care. It's legal and it works.
>>
>> So just how is that legislation going to be passed in a GOP triple
>> majority?
>
> Easy.. They self deport, then apply for entry at the border and a work
> visa. if they reenter during this period (90days) then they are barred
> from the program.

And what's their current US employer supposed to do, while they
disappear for a fiscal quarter?

> Wouldn't be an ideal solution, but one I could live with.
>
> Side note: we need to revamp the guest worker program and make it easier
> to obtain the visa for such workers. Even if only issuing a temporary
> permit in the interim

So why not revamp it then by avoiding the above performative art of
having them cross a border, wait 90+ days, etc? Just get rid of it in
the name of government efficiency.

-hh

On 12/12/24 8:43 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <vjg1fa$2t2cf$6@dont-email.me>,
> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>
>> On 12/12/24 5:43 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <vjfm4t$2t2cf$3@dont-email.me>,
>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 12/11/24 9:11 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>> In article <vjde57$1q2jn$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/11/24 4:08 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <vjcujs$1lg1b$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/11/24 3:07 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <vjcqqq$1lg1b$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/11/24 10:42 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
>>>>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already part of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -highhorse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sure, there's always going to be *some* uptake, but the low unemployment
>>>>>>>>>> rate means that the current labor shortage will be made worse.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> citizens who would opt for those jobs, but the low unemployment rate
>>>>>>>>>> shows that many jobs will have to go unfilled, which means that employer
>>>>>>>>>> competition would increase those jobs' wages.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of course, those higher business costs would be passed along by the
>>>>>>>>>> employers as higher product costs .. which causes higher inflation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So much for keeping his campaign promise to lower retail prices.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The ones working now just need work visas and they can continue working.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They won't be able to, because the GOP believes that to issue work visas
>>>>>>>> would be considered to be "Amnesty" ... plus they'll be deported first.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are already people on work visas. Those are legal and won't be
>>>>>>> deported.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some, but not millions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Millions not needed.
>>>>
>>>> Except that it is already Millions working thusly here in the USA.
>>>
>>> Then we don't need any more.
>>
>> Actually, since unemployment is below the textbook definition of "Full"
>> employment, we do need more, because worker shortages hinders growth.
>>
>> And to put a big round number on it, at one percentage point under Full
>> times the current workforce size (168M), it means that we have capacity
>> for 1.68 million new workers right now.
>>
>> To put this into perspective, the total US immigration quota is
>> 675,000/year, so we have at least a 2.5 year immigration backlog
>> shortfall need.
>>
>>
>>>> In Idaho, its literally half of all of the diary workers in the State.
>>>
>>> So? Are they legal?
>>
>> "Don't ask, don't tell". You going to curtail the dairy supply to sort
>> it all out by deporting them & making them reapply? Don't forget that
>> dairy cows that go more than IIRC 20 hours without being milked get injured.
>>
>>
>> -hh
>
> if they been there that long they should be legal.

They aren't.

Case in point, the DACA ("Dreamers") have been jerked around for 14
years (& counting):

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_Action_for_Childhood_Arrivals>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_Action_for_Parents_of_Americans>

-hh

On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 13:01:21 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>On 2024-12-12, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Baxter wrote:
>>
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Baxter wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until you
>>>>>can recruit and train those workers.
>>>>
>>>> Not MUCH higher, because we can still allow immigration. Just not
>>>> avalanche of it that we've under the Biden administration.
>>>
>>> Not enough.
>>
>> If the legal system is inadequate, we can expand it. It simply
>> requires the political will to do so. Letting them pour over our
>> border unvetted is not the solution.
>
>Yes.
>I think most agree that the current system is inefficient, outdated and poorly administrated so
>we need to invest whatever it takes to improve it.
>Legal applicants should not be waiting years to have their applications processed.

Then why is no one interested in fixing the problem?

>We also need to stop the open border flow.
>Our country simply cannot sustain the number of migrants entering.
>We will collapse under the economic drain.
>Hospitals, schools, public assistance programs, shelters and so forth are being
>overwhelmed. When a deep pocket state like NY is having problems, some less wealthy
>place will have worse problems.
>
>Front load the budget by locking down the border and improving the immigration system.
>The taxpayers can pay for it now, or later when the country continues to be flooded.

On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 17:08:13 -0500, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>What this shows us is that the systematic fiscal strangling over decades
>of the US courts to slow down the application process isn't just an
>unfortunate, accidental oversight, but is deliberate cruelty.

And is why there is so much illegal immigration. The markets will rule. There
will be enough labor imported. Whether it's legal imported labor or not is
dependent on pieces of paper.

NP: Ricky Nelson - Garden Party

In article <vjg4eb$31q7o$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>
> On 12/12/24 8:43 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <vjg1fa$2t2cf$6@dont-email.me>,
> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>
> >> On 12/12/24 5:43 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>> In article <vjfm4t$2t2cf$3@dont-email.me>,
> >>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12/11/24 9:11 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>> In article <vjde57$1q2jn$2@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 12/11/24 4:08 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article <vjcujs$1lg1b$3@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 12/11/24 3:07 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> In article <vjcqqq$1lg1b$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 12/11/24 10:42 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> >>>>>>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
> >>>>>>>>>>>> within
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals who
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already part of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still are.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -highhorse.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sure, there's always going to be *some* uptake, but the low unemployment
> >>>>>>>>>> rate means that the current labor shortage will be made worse.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> citizens who would opt for those jobs, but the low unemployment rate
> >>>>>>>>>> shows that many jobs will have to go unfilled, which means that employer
> >>>>>>>>>> competition would increase those jobs' wages.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Of course, those higher business costs would be passed along by the
> >>>>>>>>>> employers as higher product costs .. which causes higher inflation.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> So much for keeping his campaign promise to lower retail prices.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The ones working now just need work visas and they can continue working.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> They won't be able to, because the GOP believes that to issue work visas
> >>>>>>>> would be considered to be "Amnesty" ... plus they'll be deported first.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There are already people on work visas. Those are legal and won't be
> >>>>>>> deported.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Some, but not millions.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Millions not needed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Except that it is already Millions working thusly here in the USA.
> >>>
> >>> Then we don't need any more.
> >>
> >> Actually, since unemployment is below the textbook definition of "Full"
> >> employment, we do need more, because worker shortages hinders growth.
> >>
> >> And to put a big round number on it, at one percentage point under Full
> >> times the current workforce size (168M), it means that we have capacity
> >> for 1.68 million new workers right now.
> >>
> >> To put this into perspective, the total US immigration quota is
> >> 675,000/year, so we have at least a 2.5 year immigration backlog
> >> shortfall need.
> >>
> >>
> >>>> In Idaho, its literally half of all of the diary workers in the State.
> >>>
> >>> So? Are they legal?
> >>
> >> "Don't ask, don't tell". You going to curtail the dairy supply to sort
> >> it all out by deporting them & making them reapply? Don't forget that
> >> dairy cows that go more than IIRC 20 hours without being milked get injured.
> >>
> >>
> >> -hh
> >
> > if they been there that long they should be legal.
>
>
> They aren't.
>
> Case in point, the DACA ("Dreamers") have been jerked around for 14
> years (& counting):
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_Action_for_Childhood_Arrivals>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_Action_for_Parents_of_Americans>
>
>
>
> -hh

Oh well. Time to clean house and maybe that will speed up the process.

On Thu, 12 Dec 2024 20:08:58 -0500, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>"Don't ask, don't tell". You going to curtail the dairy supply to sort
>it all out by deporting them & making them reapply? Don't forget that
>dairy cows that go more than IIRC 20 hours without being milked get injured.

And it becomes necessary to give them hormone injections to restart their
production once they dry up from not being milked.

NP: Bread - Everything I Own

On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 08:39:50 -0500, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>On 12/11/24 8:31 AM, pothead wrote:
>> On 2024-12-11, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>> On 12/11/24 1:15 AM, Antayla wrote:
>>>> In <vjb5mn$1cvbp$1@dont-email.me> Baxter wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>> Trump also said he will move to end birthright citizenship — long enshrined
>>>>> in the 14th Amendment of the Constitution — which would strip rights from
>>>>> those born in the country to undocumented parents.
>>>>
>>>> Long abused by pregnant foreigners to travel to the USA and drop
>>>> a brat conceived in some homeland.
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, so you're finally caught wind of this Florida industry that's been
>>> used heavily by Russia women for the past decade+?
>>>
>>> [quote]
>>> Mother Russia: South Florida sees a boom in ‘birth tourism’Published
>>> 9:03 AM EST, March 22, 2019
>>>
>>> MIAMI (AP) — Every year, hundreds of pregnant Russian women travel to
>>> the United States to give birth so that their child can acquire all the
>>> privileges of American citizenship.
>>>
>>> They pay anywhere from $20,000 to sometimes more than $50,000 to brokers
>>> who arrange their travel documents, accommodations and hospital stays,
>>> often in Florida.
>>> [/quote]
>>>
>>> <https://apnews.com/general-news-travel-161a0db2666044dc8d42932edd9b9ce6>
>>>
>>>
>>> BTW, note the date of this article: early 2019.
>>>
>>> Since "build the wall" Trump was so actively opposed to immigrants, why
>>> oh why didn't he shut this down the first time he was in Office...hmmm?
>>
>> That's news to me however the Asian communities in NYC have been doing this
>> for decades. They are called "anchor babies".
>
>Yes, that's what its commonly called.
>
>But there's a big difference between emigrating and having a kid as a
>normal part of having a life & family...
>
>...versus traveling solo, staying in a hotel for a few months, not
>having any job other than to give birth. Afterwords, going back to
>Russia. This is a very explicit & deliberate loophole exploitation.
>
>
>-hh

The Chinese are doing the same thing on the west coast.

NP: Harry Nilsson - Put The Lime In The Coconut

On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 14:11:47 -0500, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

>Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Harris and the Dems threw this election away because apparently, not being Trump
>>wasn't enough. The voters also expected intelligence, competence and vision.
>
>
>What? Why is it necessary to say that? It was a tight race. DJT won
>it. We will deal with him, for better or worse. I'm willing to
>accept that, without defaming Vice Pres. Harris or anyone else on our
>side.

Harris blew it. How bad a candidate do you have to be to let DONALD TRUMP win
the popular vote?

On 10 Dec 2024 19:48:18 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Dec 10, 2024 at 12:02:37?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
><ut3hljp32sv0d2mj8v5gavnq06ugog8tt2@4ax.com>:
>
>> On 10 Dec 2024 16:46:27 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Better than your excuse of always blaming the media for Trump's actions. Why
>>> not speak about Trump's use of Nazi language and propaganda? Why not speak of
>>> how he wants his generals to be like those of Hitler's? Why not discuss the
>>> dissent into fascism that the US just voted in?
>>
>> Why not watch and see what he does? He isn't even sworn in yet.
>
>We have seen what he does. We have heard what he says he will do. We have seen
>how he wants the US to be more like N. Korea or Russia. We have seen Project
>2025. We know he will be an utter disaster for the US.

We know what he's said about Russia and Ukraine too. Now, explain the choice of
Kellogg and Trump's threat to Putin to arm Ukraine to the teeth if he doesn't
come to the table?

On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 20:44:11 -0000 (UTC), Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com>
wrote:

>Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>news:67586f88$1$3620719$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <vj9ngs$113ra$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:6757c83a$0$654094$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>> > In article <vj8cu0$q80n$4@dont-email.me>,
>>> > bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
>>> >>
>>> >> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>> >> news:6ooeljppgquq9js3sa3dm3dd04poom5sje@4ax.com:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Baxter wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> (lies snipped)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Biden is hated because he's a fscking asshole who calls people
>>> >> > "white supremacists" if they vote Republican. Biden is hated
>>> >> > because he does shit like this:
>>> >> > https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/fbi-justice
>>> >> > -de par tment-twist-federal-law-arrest-charge-pro-life
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Biden is a POS. Biden is corrupt.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Heritage is a far-right extremist orginization. It's all lies.
>>> >
>>> > Trump won because of your left wing fake news.
>>> >
>>> Russian troll. How much do they pay you?
>>
>> Is that the only lame excuse you have?
>>
>
>note that Skeeter doesn't deny that he's a Russian troll.

See, it's posts like this that make you look stupid, Baxter.

Get a clue.

On Tue, 10 Dec 2024 16:15:27 -0500, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

>Fascinating. Do you think DJT can railroad an "investment" in Bitcoin
>through the government?

If he can railroad Rick Perry into Energy and wossname Hogsbreath into Defense,
yeah, he can shove bitcoin through Congress.

NP: Kenny Loggins - This Is It

Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>Harris and the Dems threw this election away because apparently, not being Trump
>>>wasn't enough. The voters also expected intelligence, competence and vision.
>>
>>What? Why is it necessary to say that? It was a tight race. DJT won
>>it. We will deal with him, for better or worse. I'm willing to
>>accept that, without defaming Vice Pres. Harris or anyone else on our
>>side.
>
>Harris blew it. How bad a candidate do you have to be to let DONALD TRUMP win
>the popular vote?

You misunderestimate Trump.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.