On 2024-12-12, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> In article <675ae2dd$14$1781$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2024 at 6:01:21 AM MST, "pothead" wrote
>> <vjemr1$24puc$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>> >> Baxter wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> chrisv wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Baxter wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until you
>> >>>>> can recruit and train those workers.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Not MUCH higher, because we can still allow immigration. Just not
>> >>>> avalanche of it that we've under the Biden administration.
>> >>>
>> >>> Not enough.
>> >>
>> >> If the legal system is inadequate, we can expand it. It simply
>> >> requires the political will to do so. Letting them pour over our
>> >> border unvetted is not the solution.
>> >
>> > Yes.
>> > I think most agree that the current system is inefficient, outdated and poorly
>> > administrated so
>> > we need to invest whatever it takes to improve it.
>> > Legal applicants should not be waiting years to have their applications
>> > processed.
>> >
>> > We also need to stop the open border flow.
>> > Our country simply cannot sustain the number of migrants entering.
>> > We will collapse under the economic drain.
>> > Hospitals, schools, public assistance programs, shelters and so forth are being
>> > overwhelmed. When a deep pocket state like NY is having problems, some less
>> > wealthy
>> > place will have worse problems.
>> >
>> > Front load the budget by locking down the border and improving the immigration
>> > system.
>> > The taxpayers can pay for it now, or later when the country continues to be
>> > flooded.
>> >
>> > --
>> > pothead
>> >
>> > All about snit read below. Links courtesy of Ron:
>> >
>> > Example of Snit trolling in real time:
>> >
>> > <https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/biFilzgCcVg/m/eUcNGw6lP7UJ>
>> >
>> > All about the snit troll:
>> >
>> > <https://web.archive.org/web/20181028000459/http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/snit.html>
>> > <https://web.archive.org/web/20190529043314/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html>
>> > <https://web.archive.org/web/20190529062255/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitLieMethods.html>
>>
>> Even if all that were true... and note you do not quote ME... at least I am
>> not a Nazi sympathizer who palls around with white supremacists like you do!
>
> You don't pal around with anyone. No one likes you.

Snit's been accusing us of being Nazi/Hitler sympathizers since he got destroyed by us
in the Harris was APPOINTED, not voted in by the people, as did Hitler.
Lately he's morphed the lies again and has added<https://web.archive.org/web/20190529062255/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitLieMethods.html> "white supremacist"
to the list.

Snit Michael Glasser of Prescott Arizona is mentally ill.
It's obvious.

--
pothead

All about snit read below. Links courtesy of Ron:

Example of Snit trolling in real time:

<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/biFilzgCcVg/m/eUcNGw6lP7UJ>

All about the snit troll:

<https://web.archive.org/web/20181028000459/http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/snit.html>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20190529043314/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20190529062255/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitLieMethods.html>

On Dec 12, 2024 at 12:58:37 PM MST, "pothead" wrote
<vjff9d$2tmdg$2@dont-email.me>:

....
>>>
>>> Even if all that were true... and note you do not quote ME... at least I am
>>> not a Nazi sympathizer who palls around with white supremacists like you do!
>>
>> You don't pal around with anyone. No one likes you.
>
> Snit's been accusing us of being Nazi/Hitler sympathizers since he got
> destroyed by us
> in the Harris was APPOINTED, not voted in by the people, as did Hitler.

I noted it when you backed Hitler and palled around with a known white
supremacist.

Stop lying.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 2024-12-12, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>
> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:675b13de$3$3827$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>> On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:15:08 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
>> <vjf31m$1esc2$23@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:675a0912$6$2385532$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:46:36 PM MST, "Baxter" wrote
>>>> <vjd17r$1nulf$3@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in news:6759ee2e$2$3068683
>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 12:51:40 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>>>> <6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
>>>>> _spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>> skills
>>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>>>> part
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
>>>>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still
>>>>>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
>>>>>>>> highhorse.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some have
>>>>> tried
>>>>>>>> those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no
>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>> See how that works?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do. You don't.
>>>>>>
>>>>> ==============
>>>>> Why Legal Immigration Is Nearly Impossible
>>>>>
>>>>> America traditionally had few immigration restrictions, but since the
>>>>> 1920s, the law has banned most aspiring immigrants. Today, fewer than 1
>>>>> percent of people who want to move permanently to the United States can
>>>>> do so legally. Immigrants cannot simply get an exception to immigrate
>>>>> any
>>>>> more than restaurateurs in the 1920s could simply get an exception to
>>>>> sell alcohol.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/why-legal-immigration-nearly-
>>>>> impossible#
>>>>
>>>> We as a country created a black market immigration system and then blame
>>>> the
>>>> immigrants.
>>>
>>> You could say the same about moonshiners, drug dealers, and so on..
>>
>> You can make weak analogies. Sure.
>
> Well, we make alcohol illegal, thus moonshiners. We made certain drugs
> illegal, thus drug dealers, Seems like a very direct and straightforward
> comparison to me.
>
> But I can see your issue with those, you seem them as crimes.. while illegal
> immigration you feel shouldn't be a crime.
>
>
>>> If you break the law, you are responsible for your own actions.
>>
>> Then Trump should be in prison for his felonies.
>
> As should Biden and Hunter.
>
> Yet I don't see you complaining about them.
>
>> Much worse than a misdemeanor
>> of illegally entering the country.
>
> And yet, you want to excuse them from punishment or even responsibility even
> as you hold Trump to a different standard.
>
> Does the word hypocrisy mean anything to you?
>
>
>>>
>>> It's like claiming that it's hard to get a pilot's license so we should
>>> allow people without them to fly anyway.
>>
>> False equivalency is false.
>
> On the contrary, they are very much the same. A permit to allow you to do
> something that otherwise would be illegal for you to do.
>
> So once again we see your attempt to impose a double standard based on your
> prejudices.
>
>> Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
>> cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
>> somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
>
> Who is attacking the messenger? I'm simply pointing out the inconsistencies
> and issues with your message.
>
>
>> They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
>
> And yet, I'm the one attempting to discuss the validity of your message.
> Meanwhile you want to make it personal.
>
>

It's not possible to have a decent conversation with the snit troll.
He will drag everything including the kitchen sink into the thread as he
tosses spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks.

Here is a perfect description of how the snit troll operates.

See how many you can match up from this thread alone.

'36- George Graves: "Jason. You have started an argument with
the Snit (AKA Michael Glasser), this should not be done. He
will drive you crazy with his twisted logic, his deep-rooted
need to be ALWAYS right at any cost. He will move goalposts,
set up strawmen, and bore you into submission with his endless
pedanticism. The only way to engage him is to hit and run. NEVER
engage him, it's a futile, empty procedure that will only anger
you and feed him. Take my advice and STAY AWAY!" 27 Oct 2004'

--
pothead

All about snit read below. Links courtesy of Ron:

Example of Snit trolling in real time:

<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/biFilzgCcVg/m/eUcNGw6lP7UJ>

<https://web.archive.org/web/20181028000459/http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/snit.html>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20190529043314/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20190529062255/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitLieMethods.html>

In article <675b211c$0$212420$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Dec 12, 2024 at 10:25:15 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> <vjf6ac$2rvu0$5@dont-email.me>:
>
> >
> >
> > "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:675b13de$3$3827$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >> On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:15:08 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> >> <vjf31m$1esc2$23@dont-email.me>:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:675a0912$6$2385532$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:46:36 PM MST, "Baxter" wrote
> >>>> <vjd17r$1nulf$3@dont-email.me>:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in news:6759ee2e$2$3068683
> >>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 12:51:40 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> >>>>>> <6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> >>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>> news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
> >>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
> >>>>> _spamblock@baxcode.com
> >>>>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
> >>>>>>>>>>>> skills
> >>>>>>>>>> within
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
> >>>>> who
> >>>>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
> >>>>> part
> >>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still
> >>>>>>>>>>> are.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
> >>>>>>>> highhorse.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
> >>>>> you
> >>>>>>>> can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some have
> >>>>> tried
> >>>>>>>> those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no
> >>>>>>> problem.
> >>>>>>> See how that works?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I do. You don't.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> ==============
> >>>>> Why Legal Immigration Is Nearly Impossible
> >>>>>
> >>>>> America traditionally had few immigration restrictions, but since the
> >>>>> 1920s, the law has banned most aspiring immigrants. Today, fewer than 1
> >>>>> percent of people who want to move permanently to the United States can
> >>>>> do so legally. Immigrants cannot simply get an exception to immigrate
> >>>>> any
> >>>>> more than restaurateurs in the 1920s could simply get an exception to
> >>>>> sell alcohol.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/why-legal-immigration-nearly-
> >>>>> impossible#
> >>>>
> >>>> We as a country created a black market immigration system and then blame
> >>>> the
> >>>> immigrants.
> >>>
> >>> You could say the same about moonshiners, drug dealers, and so on..
> >>
> >> You can make weak analogies. Sure.
> >
> > Well, we make alcohol illegal, thus moonshiners. We made certain drugs
> > illegal, thus drug dealers, Seems like a very direct and straightforward
> > comparison to me.
>
> You are incorrect. Those substances are not people. But it is somewhat apt --
> those substances are more dangerous and yet alcohol is legal and weed is more
> and more so. We realized prohibitions do not work.
> >
> > But I can see your issue with those, you seem them as crimes.. while illegal
> > immigration you feel shouldn't be a crime.
>
> Where did I say it should not be seen as a crime? Speeding is a crime. Jay
> walking is a crime. I just think we should keep it in perspective and look at
> the bigger picture.

The bigger picture is the rapes and killing and theft caused by those
that just walked in.
> >
> >
> >>> If you break the law, you are responsible for your own actions.
> >>
> >> Then Trump should be in prison for his felonies.
> >
> > As should Biden and Hunter.
> >
> > Yet I don't see you complaining about them.
>
> He is not relevant here and he has not been convicted of multiple felonies, no
> less been found liable for sexual assault. Nor was he tied to Jan. 6. Trying
> to equate Hunter with this is absurd.

Hunter is guilty of plenty and daddy cut him loose.
> >
> >> Much worse than a misdemeanor
> >> of illegally entering the country.
> >
> > And yet, you want to excuse them from punishment or even responsibility even
> > as you hold Trump to a different standard.
>
> Incorrect.
> >
> > Does the word hypocrisy mean anything to you?
>
> You made a false assumption that led to false conclusions.
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>> It's like claiming that it's hard to get a pilot's license so we should
> >>> allow people without them to fly anyway.
> >>
> >> False equivalency is false.
> >
> > On the contrary,
>
> By definition it is true.
>
> > they are very much the same. A permit to allow you to do
> > something that otherwise would be illegal for you to do.
> >
> > So once again we see your attempt to impose a double standard based on your
> > prejudices.
>
> Incorrect.
> >
> >> Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
> >> cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
> >> somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
> >
> > Who is attacking the messenger? I'm simply pointing out the inconsistencies
> > and issues with your message.
>
> This is my standard .sig.

In article <675b3ac1$0$3068681$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Dec 12, 2024 at 11:12:43 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> <vjf93n$2sgn6$3@dont-email.me>:
>
> >
> >
> > "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:675b211c$0$212420$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >> On Dec 12, 2024 at 10:25:15 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> >> <vjf6ac$2rvu0$5@dont-email.me>:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:675b13de$3$3827$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >>>> On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:15:08 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> >>>> <vjf31m$1esc2$23@dont-email.me>:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:675a0912$6$2385532$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >>>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:46:36 PM MST, "Baxter" wrote
> >>>>>> <vjd17r$1nulf$3@dont-email.me>:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in news:6759ee2e$2$3068683
> >>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 12:51:40 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> >>>>>>>> <6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> >>>>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>> news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
> >>>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
> >>>>>>> _spamblock@baxcode.com
> >>>>>>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> skills
> >>>>>>>>>>>> within
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> deportations:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> illegals
> >>>>>>> who
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
> >>>>>>> part
> >>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> are.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
> >>>>>>>>>> highhorse.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
> >>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>> can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some have
> >>>>>>> tried
> >>>>>>>>>> those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no
> >>>>>>>>> problem.
> >>>>>>>>> See how that works?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I do. You don't.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ==============
> >>>>>>> Why Legal Immigration Is Nearly Impossible
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> America traditionally had few immigration restrictions, but since the
> >>>>>>> 1920s, the law has banned most aspiring immigrants. Today, fewer than
> >>>>>>> 1
> >>>>>>> percent of people who want to move permanently to the United States
> >>>>>>> can
> >>>>>>> do so legally. Immigrants cannot simply get an exception to immigrate
> >>>>>>> any
> >>>>>>> more than restaurateurs in the 1920s could simply get an exception to
> >>>>>>> sell alcohol.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/why-legal-immigration-nearly-
> >>>>>>> impossible#
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We as a country created a black market immigration system and then
> >>>>>> blame
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> immigrants.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You could say the same about moonshiners, drug dealers, and so on..
> >>>>
> >>>> You can make weak analogies. Sure.
> >>>
> >>> Well, we make alcohol illegal, thus moonshiners. We made certain drugs
> >>> illegal, thus drug dealers, Seems like a very direct and straightforward
> >>> comparison to me.
> >>
> >> You are incorrect. Those substances are not people.
> >
> > And who said they were? Moonshiners and Drug Dealers are certainly people..
> > which we created by making something illegal.
>
> A substance being illegal and a person being here illegally are not the same.

Nice spin.
> >
> >> But it is somewhat apt --
> >> those substances are more dangerous and yet alcohol is legal and weed is
> >> more
> >> and more so. We realized prohibitions do not work.
> >
> > And yet, we've put a LOT of people in jail for those crimes even though we
> > made not have eliminated it.
>
> Not in contention. And we have not learned.

No, YOU have not learned.
> >
> >
> >>> But I can see your issue with those, you seem them as crimes.. while
> >>> illegal
> >>> immigration you feel shouldn't be a crime.
> >>
> >> Where did I say it should not be seen as a crime? Speeding is a crime. Jay
> >> walking is a crime. I just think we should keep it in perspective and look
> >> at
> >> the bigger picture.
> >
> > Oh, so it's ok to violate the law just as long as the "big picture" is
> > breaking the law, any law, is acceptable?
>
> How so? Again: I am saying to keep things in perspective... not to ignore law
> breaking. Then again I will say I have no issue with jury nullification and
> civil disobedience. But this is getting more philosophical than needed.
> >
> > Who decides what laws matter? Can I decide that the laws that keep me from
> > murdering you shouldn't count and thus in the "big picture" you're not
> > really relevant and your death doesn't matter?
>
> You can decide that. There will be consequences.

In article <675b21d9$9$883680$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Dec 12, 2024 at 10:12:25 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> <vjf6aa$2rvu0$3@dont-email.me>:
>
> >
> >
> > "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:675b13a8$0$3068686$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >> On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:06:30 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> >> <vjf31i$1esc2$18@dont-email.me>:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:6759fe38$0$3474736$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:01:48 PM MST, "-hh" wrote
> >>>> <vjcujs$1lg1b$3@dont-email.me>:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 12/11/24 3:07 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>> In article <vjcqqq$1lg1b$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 12/11/24 10:42 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> >>>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
> >>>>>>>>> within
> >>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
> >>>>>>>>>>> who
> >>>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
> >>>>>>>>>>> part
> >>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
> >>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
> >>>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still are.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
> >>>>>>>>>> from -highhorse.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sure, there's always going to be *some* uptake, but the low
> >>>>>>> unemployment
> >>>>>>> rate means that the current labor shortage will be made worse.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> citizens who would opt for those jobs, but the low unemployment rate
> >>>>>>> shows that many jobs will have to go unfilled, which means that
> >>>>>>> employer
> >>>>>>> competition would increase those jobs' wages.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Of course, those higher business costs would be passed along by the
> >>>>>>> employers as higher product costs .. which causes higher inflation.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So much for keeping his campaign promise to lower retail prices.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The ones working now just need work visas and they can continue
> >>>>>> working.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They won't be able to, because the GOP believes that to issue work
> >>>>> visas
> >>>>> would be considered to be "Amnesty" ... plus they'll be deported first.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -hh
> >>>>
> >>>> And they will accuse the people of eating the dogs and cats.
> >>>
> >>> Actually in several central/south American countries, dog is a source of
> >>> meat and cats are as well.
> >>
> >> Not relevant to Trump's lies and his cult excusing it.
> >
> > So why did you bring it up?
>
> Because of Trump's lies about it.

How do you know he was lying? Somebody said so?
>
> >
> >
> >>>
> >>> However, that has nothing to do with the issue.
> >>
> >> Agreed.
> >
> > So again, why did you bring it up?
> >
> >

In article <675b3dfb$0$3620716$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Dec 12, 2024 at 10:52:32 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> <vjf93l$2sgn6$1@dont-email.me>:
>
> >
> >
> > "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:675b21d9$9$883680$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >> On Dec 12, 2024 at 10:12:25 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> >> <vjf6aa$2rvu0$3@dont-email.me>:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:675b13a8$0$3068686$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >>>> On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:06:30 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> >>>> <vjf31i$1esc2$18@dont-email.me>:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:6759fe38$0$3474736$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >>>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:01:48 PM MST, "-hh" wrote
> >>>>>> <vjcujs$1lg1b$3@dont-email.me>:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 12/11/24 3:07 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>> In article <vjcqqq$1lg1b$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 12/11/24 10:42 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> >>>>>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> skills
> >>>>>>>>>>> within
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> deportations:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> who
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> part
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Witness.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still
> >>>>>>>>>>>> are.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
> >>>>>>>>>>>> from -highhorse.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Sure, there's always going to be *some* uptake, but the low
> >>>>>>>>> unemployment
> >>>>>>>>> rate means that the current labor shortage will be made worse.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> citizens who would opt for those jobs, but the low unemployment
> >>>>>>>>> rate
> >>>>>>>>> shows that many jobs will have to go unfilled, which means that
> >>>>>>>>> employer
> >>>>>>>>> competition would increase those jobs' wages.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Of course, those higher business costs would be passed along by the
> >>>>>>>>> employers as higher product costs .. which causes higher inflation.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So much for keeping his campaign promise to lower retail prices.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The ones working now just need work visas and they can continue
> >>>>>>>> working.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> They won't be able to, because the GOP believes that to issue work
> >>>>>>> visas
> >>>>>>> would be considered to be "Amnesty" ... plus they'll be deported
> >>>>>>> first.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And they will accuse the people of eating the dogs and cats.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Actually in several central/south American countries, dog is a source
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> meat and cats are as well.
> >>>>
> >>>> Not relevant to Trump's lies and his cult excusing it.
> >>>
> >>> So why did you bring it up?
> >>
> >> Because of Trump's lies about it.
> >
> > Lies about what? dogs and cats?
>
> Yes. About immigrants eating dogs and cats.
> >
> > Seems to me YOU brought up that topic.
>
> You never watched the debate.
> >
> > Let me guess.. this is the point your realize you painted yourself in to a
> > corner and are desperately hoping I will allow you to change the subject.
>
> Your guess is wrong. If anything I am laughing about how you can be so
> ignorant of Trump you did not hear of his lies about immigrants eating dogs
> and cats.

He was just repeating what he heard.
> >
> >
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> However, that has nothing to do with the issue.
> >>>>
> >>>> Agreed.
> >>>
> >>> So again, why did you bring it up?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> > <crickets>
>
> For obvious reasons that go over your head, of course. You did not watch the
> debate and are completely ignorant of what Trump said. He has so many lies you
> cannot keep track of them.

In article <675b21c5$8$2789$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Dec 12, 2024 at 10:17:45 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> <vjf6ab$2rvu0$4@dont-email.me>:
>
> >
> >
> > "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:675b13db$0$2873013$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >> On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:10:00 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> >> <vjf31j$1esc2$20@dont-email.me>:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:675a0906$3$2755$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:41:43 PM MST, "Baxter" wrote
> >>>> <vjd0un$1nulf$2@dont-email.me>:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>> news:6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> >>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
> >>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
> >>>>>>>>>>> skills
> >>>>>>>>> within
> >>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
> >>>>>>>>>>> who are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
> >>>>>>>>>>> part
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
> >>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
> >>>>>>>>>> Witness. Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and
> >>>>>>>>>> still are.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
> >>>>>>> highhorse.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
> >>>>>>> you can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some have
> >>>>>>> tried those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no problem.
> >>>>>> See how that works?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They refuse to issue work visas. There are virtually NO legal way to
> >>>>> immigate to the US. People have been on waiting lists for decades.
> >>>>
> >>>> Unless you are Trump's wife. She broke immigration laws in 1996 and none
> >>>> of
> >>>> his supporters care.
> >>>
> >>> And at that time she should have been deported...
> >>
> >> Get a Trump cultist to agree.
> >
> > I'm not sure I've ever met a Trump cultist.
>
> They are common. People who back him much the way some backed Hitler.

So you know those people who backed Hitler? Are you that old?
>
> > I mean I know a lot of people
> > that like him, others feel he can do the job even though they might not
> > personally like the man.
> >
> > Meanwhile, when have you met a Trump cultist or is that just a derogatory
> > statement you use when you have nothing else to say?
>
>
> There are many with unquestioning support, a focus on the man (I see his image
> on cars as I drive around), extreme adoration, defensive of even his most
> absurd comments and lies and areas of ignorant. The term cultish is fitting
> and accurate.

and he won. The cultists have spoken.
>
> >
> >>> What does that have to do with the situation today, or the issue under
> >>> discussion?
> >>> ...or are you simply looking for excuses not to discuss the issue?
> >>>
> >>
> >> I am noting the hypocrisy.
> >
> > Except you're not noting the hypocrisy.. rather you are asserting it. Two
> > very different things.
>
> It is hypocritical to excuse Trump's wife while vilifying others here no more
> legally.

I bet she is legal.
> >
> > Meanwhile, I think we all can see your hypocrisy.. you suggested they should
> > stay but that his wife should have been deported.
>
> Cite where I said that.
>
> >
> > Trump cultists didn't make that assertion.. YOU did.
> >
> > So the only hypocrisy in the discussion seems to be that produced by you.
> >
> >
>
> What "seems" to be by you is not tied to my comments.

What's a ygu?

On Dec 12, 2024 at 1:28:09 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<675b4720$0$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

> In article <675b3dfb$0$3620716$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Dec 12, 2024 at 10:52:32 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
>> <vjf93l$2sgn6$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:675b21d9$9$883680$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>>> On Dec 12, 2024 at 10:12:25 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
>>>> <vjf6aa$2rvu0$3@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:675b13a8$0$3068686$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>>>>> On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:06:30 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
>>>>>> <vjf31i$1esc2$18@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:6759fe38$0$3474736$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:01:48 PM MST, "-hh" wrote
>>>>>>>> <vjcujs$1lg1b$3@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/11/24 3:07 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <vjcqqq$1lg1b$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/11/24 10:42 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skills
>>>>>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deportations:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from -highhorse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sure, there's always going to be *some* uptake, but the low
>>>>>>>>>>> unemployment
>>>>>>>>>>> rate means that the current labor shortage will be made worse.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> citizens who would opt for those jobs, but the low unemployment
>>>>>>>>>>> rate
>>>>>>>>>>> shows that many jobs will have to go unfilled, which means that
>>>>>>>>>>> employer
>>>>>>>>>>> competition would increase those jobs' wages.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Of course, those higher business costs would be passed along by the
>>>>>>>>>>> employers as higher product costs .. which causes higher inflation.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So much for keeping his campaign promise to lower retail prices.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The ones working now just need work visas and they can continue
>>>>>>>>>> working.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They won't be able to, because the GOP believes that to issue work
>>>>>>>>> visas
>>>>>>>>> would be considered to be "Amnesty" ... plus they'll be deported
>>>>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And they will accuse the people of eating the dogs and cats.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually in several central/south American countries, dog is a source
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> meat and cats are as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not relevant to Trump's lies and his cult excusing it.
>>>>>
>>>>> So why did you bring it up?
>>>>
>>>> Because of Trump's lies about it.
>>>
>>> Lies about what? dogs and cats?
>>
>> Yes. About immigrants eating dogs and cats.
>>>
>>> Seems to me YOU brought up that topic.
>>
>> You never watched the debate.
>>>
>>> Let me guess.. this is the point your realize you painted yourself in to a
>>> corner and are desperately hoping I will allow you to change the subject.
>>
>> Your guess is wrong. If anything I am laughing about how you can be so
>> ignorant of Trump you did not hear of his lies about immigrants eating dogs
>> and cats.
>
> He was just repeating what he heard.

You are not the first to say that. LOL!

Of course none of you cultists ever back it. But it is a part of your play
book.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, that has nothing to do with the issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed.
>>>>>
>>>>> So again, why did you bring it up?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> <crickets>
>>
>> For obvious reasons that go over your head, of course. You did not watch the
>> debate and are completely ignorant of what Trump said. He has so many lies you
>> cannot keep track of them.

On Dec 12, 2024 at 1:26:48 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<675b46cf$0$3825$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Not relevant to Trump's lies and his cult excusing it.
>>>
>>> So why did you bring it up?
>>
>> Because of Trump's lies about it.
>
> How do you know he was lying?

Because I listen to him.

> Somebody said so?

Trump did. This is a challenge for those of you who troll: we are each
responsible for our own words and actions.

>>>

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

In article <675b3d5e$0$3827$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Dec 12, 2024 at 11:02:59 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> <vjf93m$2sgn6$2@dont-email.me>:
>
> >
> >
> > "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:675b21c5$8$2789$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >> On Dec 12, 2024 at 10:17:45 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> >> <vjf6ab$2rvu0$4@dont-email.me>:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:675b13db$0$2873013$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >>>> On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:10:00 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> >>>> <vjf31j$1esc2$20@dont-email.me>:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:675a0906$3$2755$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >>>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:41:43 PM MST, "Baxter" wrote
> >>>>>> <vjd0un$1nulf$2@dont-email.me>:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>> news:6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> >>>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>> news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
> >>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> skills
> >>>>>>>>>>> within
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> deportations:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> who are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> part
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Witness. Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> still are.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
> >>>>>>>>> highhorse.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
> >>>>>>>>> you can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some
> >>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>> tried those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no
> >>>>>>>> problem.
> >>>>>>>> See how that works?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> They refuse to issue work visas. There are virtually NO legal way to
> >>>>>>> immigate to the US. People have been on waiting lists for decades.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Unless you are Trump's wife. She broke immigration laws in 1996 and
> >>>>>> none
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>> his supporters care.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And at that time she should have been deported...
> >>>>
> >>>> Get a Trump cultist to agree.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not sure I've ever met a Trump cultist.
> >>
> >> They are common.
> >
> > I'm sure you think so, but we've already established that your perceptions
> > and reality are two different things.
> >
>
> Unsupported accusation. Remember: you repeatedly seek to speak FOR me and then
> hold me accountable for YOUR ideas.
>
> >> People who back him much the way some backed Hitler.
> >
> > or Biden?
>
> This is not common. And Biden does not act or speak like Hitler. He does not
> speak of wanting his generals to act like Hitlers. He does not push fascism.
> He does not use Nazi language such as "poisoning the blood" and "America is
> for Americans only". He does not fit the things Trump does:
>
> https://chatgpt.com/share/6730c919-4df8-8012-b2e0-b9323024fc1b
>
> You are trying to pretend that Biden is comparable to Trump in this way but it
> is not backed by evidence.
>
> > I mean anyone could tell the man was mentally incompetent, and I was willing
> > to let the man finish his term to protect the office.. but why would you put
> > him up for reelection?
>
> I am happy he dropped out. But there were TWO elderly men clearly with
> diminished mental capacity running... the Democrats encouraged there candidate
> to drop out. The Republicans failed to push their old senile man to drop out.
> Why do you think that is?
>
> > Na, Democrats screwed themselves on that one and have only themselves to
> > blame.
>
> The Democratic party is horrid. Better than the Republicans, clearly, but
> still horrible. Remember, I am not a part of a cult.
>
> >
> >>> I mean I know a lot of people
> >>> that like him, others feel he can do the job even though they might not
> >>> personally like the man.
> >>>
> >>> Meanwhile, when have you met a Trump cultist or is that just a derogatory
> >>> statement you use when you have nothing else to say?
> >>
> >>
> >> There are many with unquestioning support,
> >
> > Lame, unsupported assertion.
>
> If you do not fit that surely you will be happy to speak to Trump's guilt on
> many felonies and his sexual assault. You will not shy away from speaking of
> how he uses Nazi language and propaganda. You will not back down from calling
> him out as senile and unfit for office. Keep in mind many of those closest to
> him -- Republicans -- have called him out. This is not a partisan issue.
> >
> >> a focus on the man (I see his image
> >> on cars as I drive around),
> >
> > So? You don't think people have pictures of Biden on their cars?
>
> Not outside of election materials. And not to the point they could not back
> Harris. No, I see little if any cult-like behavior on the left. There was some
> level of it for H. Clinton, but nothing like what we see for Trump.
>
> >
> > https://i.etsystatic.com/28696592/r/il/212251/5884315763/il_fullxfull.5884315763_p3n3.jpg
> >
> > Does that make them Biden cultists?
>
> Explain how it could.
> >
> >> extreme adoration, defensive of even his most
> >> absurd comments and lies and areas of ignorant.
> >
> > Again the same can be said about those who supported Biden.. even during his
> > failed attempt at reelection.
>
> The same could be said -- but not honestly. And the Democrats DID call out
> Biden, even encouraged him to drop out. The Republicans failed to do so with
> Trump.
> >
> >> The term cultish is fitting
> >> and accurate.
> >
> > No more so than we could describe some Democrats as being Biden cultists.
> >
>
> We could do many things -- but I am speaking of doing so in an honest and
> accurate way.
>
> >>>>> What does that have to do with the situation today, or the issue under
> >>>>> discussion?
> >>>>> ...or are you simply looking for excuses not to discuss the issue?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I am noting the hypocrisy.
> >>>
> >>> Except you're not noting the hypocrisy.. rather you are asserting it. Two
> >>> very different things.
> >>
> >> It is hypocritical to excuse Trump's wife while vilifying others here no
> >> more
> >> legally.
> >
> > Who here has done that?
>
> You, for one. Unless you want to hold Melania accountable.
> >
> > It IS hypocritical to attack Trump's wife for that which you are attempting
> > to make excuses for others doing.
>
> Nobody is doing that here. Again: you make things up and seek to hold me
> accountable.
> >
> >
> >>> Meanwhile, I think we all can see your hypocrisy.. you suggested they
> >>> should
> >>> stay but that his wife should have been deported.
> >>
> >> Cite where I said that.
> >
> > So you do support the deportation of illegal aliens?
>
> You failed to cite it. If you are willing to admit you have no backing for
> your claim we can talk about my actual views. But if you are just making
> things up and falsely attributing them to me there is literally no point.
> >
> >>> Trump cultists didn't make that assertion.. YOU did.
> >>>
> >>> So the only hypocrisy in the discussion seems to be that produced by you.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> What "seems" to be by you is not tied to my comments.
> >
> > And yet it is and the only one that can't see that is you.
> >
>
> What you claim to see is not relevant.

In article <675b4839$1$2790$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Dec 12, 2024 at 1:26:48 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> <675b46cf$0$3825$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >>>>
> >>>> Not relevant to Trump's lies and his cult excusing it.
> >>>
> >>> So why did you bring it up?
> >>
> >> Because of Trump's lies about it.
> >
> > How do you know he was lying?
>
> Because I listen to him.

How do you know he was lying?
>
> > Somebody said so?
>
> Trump did. This is a challenge for those of you who troll: we are each
> responsible for our own words and actions.
>
Trump said he lied?

In article <675b47f0$0$1779$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Dec 12, 2024 at 1:28:09 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> <675b4720$0$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
> > In article <675b3dfb$0$3620716$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> > brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> On Dec 12, 2024 at 10:52:32 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> >> <vjf93l$2sgn6$1@dont-email.me>:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:675b21d9$9$883680$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >>>> On Dec 12, 2024 at 10:12:25 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> >>>> <vjf6aa$2rvu0$3@dont-email.me>:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>> news:675b13a8$0$3068686$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >>>>>> On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:06:30 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> >>>>>> <vjf31i$1esc2$18@dont-email.me>:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>> news:6759fe38$0$3474736$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> >>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:01:48 PM MST, "-hh" wrote
> >>>>>>>> <vjcujs$1lg1b$3@dont-email.me>:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 12/11/24 3:07 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> In article <vjcqqq$1lg1b$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/11/24 10:42 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> >>>>>>>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skills
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> within
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deportations:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from -highhorse.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sure, there's always going to be *some* uptake, but the low
> >>>>>>>>>>> unemployment
> >>>>>>>>>>> rate means that the current labor shortage will be made worse.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> citizens who would opt for those jobs, but the low unemployment
> >>>>>>>>>>> rate
> >>>>>>>>>>> shows that many jobs will have to go unfilled, which means that
> >>>>>>>>>>> employer
> >>>>>>>>>>> competition would increase those jobs' wages.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Of course, those higher business costs would be passed along by the
> >>>>>>>>>>> employers as higher product costs .. which causes higher inflation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> So much for keeping his campaign promise to lower retail prices.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The ones working now just need work visas and they can continue
> >>>>>>>>>> working.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> They won't be able to, because the GOP believes that to issue work
> >>>>>>>>> visas
> >>>>>>>>> would be considered to be "Amnesty" ... plus they'll be deported
> >>>>>>>>> first.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And they will accuse the people of eating the dogs and cats.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Actually in several central/south American countries, dog is a source
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> meat and cats are as well.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Not relevant to Trump's lies and his cult excusing it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So why did you bring it up?
> >>>>
> >>>> Because of Trump's lies about it.
> >>>
> >>> Lies about what? dogs and cats?
> >>
> >> Yes. About immigrants eating dogs and cats.
> >>>
> >>> Seems to me YOU brought up that topic.
> >>
> >> You never watched the debate.
> >>>
> >>> Let me guess.. this is the point your realize you painted yourself in to a
> >>> corner and are desperately hoping I will allow you to change the subject.
> >>
> >> Your guess is wrong. If anything I am laughing about how you can be so
> >> ignorant of Trump you did not hear of his lies about immigrants eating dogs
> >> and cats.
> >
> > He was just repeating what he heard.
>
> You are not the first to say that. LOL!

I heard of it before he said anything.
>
> Of course none of you cultists ever back it. But it is a part of your play
> book.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> However, that has nothing to do with the issue.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Agreed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So again, why did you bring it up?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> <crickets>
> >>
> >> For obvious reasons that go over your head, of course. You did not watch the
> >> debate and are completely ignorant of what Trump said. He has so many lies you
> >> cannot keep track of them.

On 12/12/24 11:11 AM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> news:vjdgnd$1qdi9$3@dont-email.me...
>> On 12/11/24 6:33 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <vjd0un$1nulf$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
>>>>>>>>>> skills
>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
>>>>>>>>>> who are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>>>>>>>>> part
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
>>>>>>>>> Witness. Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and
>>>>>>>>> still are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
>>>>>> highhorse.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food.  And empty shelves until
>>>>>> you can recruit and train those workers.  From time to time some have
>>>>>> tried those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no problem.
>>>>> See how that works?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They refuse to issue work visas.  There are virtually NO legal way to
>>>> immigate to the US.  People have been on waiting lists for decades.
>>>
>>> Bullshit. It can be done from their own country. I lived on the border
>>> in AZ for many years. I know how it works.
>>
>> So much depends on what category, which type of permit and with which
>> restrictions...and they all have quotas.
>>
>> For example, for someone who's applying for a green card based on just
>> being an adult sibling of a US Citizen already living here, it falls
>> into a country quota set in the 1964 immigration act, and while the
>> general que is over a decade long, some countries such as Mexico are
>> even longer.  To whit:
>>
>> [quote]
>> How Long Does It Take Siblings of U.S. Citizens To Get a Green Card?
>> The process usually takes 14-16 years for siblings of U.S. citizens.
>>
>> However, it depends on your home country:
>>
>> For citizens of India, the process can take 16+ years
>> For citizens of Mexico, 20+ years
>> For citizens of the Philippines, 24+ years
>> [/quote]
>>
>> <https://www.immigrationhelp.org/learning-center/green-card-
>> processing-times>
>>
>> And as you should know, a green card is the pragmatic minimum for
>> planning residency, because work permits are quite temporary.
>
> Agreed the system needs an overhaul and to be updated, but that doesn't
> change the principles under discussion.

Except that the principle is for opportunity for people to immigrate and
contribute to society (eg, work): that can't happen when the wait times
are generational (eg 25 years).

We know that since this has persisted that it is a deliberate policy
choice, especially since we've done this before in the past.

One specific example is the Chinese Exclusion Repeal Act of 1943, which
was done purely for WW2 propaganda purposes, as illustrated by its
absurdly low quota limit of 105 max persons/year.

-hh

Siri Cruise wrote:

>pothead wrote:
>>> If the legal system is inadequate, we can expand it. It simply
>>> requires the political will to do so. Letting them pour over our
>>> border unvetted is not the solution.
>> Yes.
>> I think most agree that the current system is inefficient, outdated and poorly administrated so
>> we need to invest whatever it takes to improve it.
>
>I have never heard a Republican campaign on adequate funding of
>the State Department to increase immigration.

Well, maybe now's the time. In the past, we got a healthy of Mexicans
coming over here, who mostly wanted to work an honest life. In recent
years, a flood of whatevers have been streaming in from all sorts of
shitholes, many of them criminals and associated drug smuggling.
If/when we shut that mostly down, and hopefully many of these
illegals, the need will be there to ramp-up the legal immegration
system.

On 12/12/24 11:00 AM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> news:vjcujs$1lg1b$3@dont-email.me...
>> On 12/11/24 3:07 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <vjcqqq$1lg1b$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 12/11/24 10:42 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals who
>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>>>>>>> part of
>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
>>>>>>> highhorse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>
>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>
>>>> Sure, there's always going to be *some* uptake, but the low
>>>> unemployment
>>>> rate means that the current labor shortage will be made worse.
>>>>
>>>> citizens who would opt for those jobs, but the low unemployment rate
>>>> shows that many jobs will have to go unfilled, which means that
>>>> employer
>>>> competition would increase those jobs' wages.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, those higher business costs would be passed along by the
>>>> employers as higher product costs .. which causes higher inflation.
>>>>
>>>> So much for keeping his campaign promise to lower retail prices.
>>>>
>>>> -hh
>>>
>>> The ones working now just need work visas and they can continue working.
>>
>> They won't be able to, because the GOP believes that to issue work
>> visas would be considered to be "Amnesty" ... plus they'll be deported
>> first.
>
> It would be if they are here illegally. You would be rewarding them
> while engaged in crime(s).
>

So what you're saying is that if they jump through the hoops of hopping
into Mexico and filling out a piece of paper, that they can then come
back to the same job they're working now...right?

So why not opt for efficiency by eliminating that BS travel requirement?

Oh right .. "That would be Amnesty ... oooOOOOhhh!" /s

-hh

On 12/11/24 9:11 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <vjde57$1q2jn$2@dont-email.me>,
> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>
>> On 12/11/24 4:08 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <vjcujs$1lg1b$3@dont-email.me>,
>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 12/11/24 3:07 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>> In article <vjcqqq$1lg1b$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/11/24 10:42 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals who
>>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already part of
>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
>>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -highhorse.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, there's always going to be *some* uptake, but the low unemployment
>>>>>> rate means that the current labor shortage will be made worse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> citizens who would opt for those jobs, but the low unemployment rate
>>>>>> shows that many jobs will have to go unfilled, which means that employer
>>>>>> competition would increase those jobs' wages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course, those higher business costs would be passed along by the
>>>>>> employers as higher product costs .. which causes higher inflation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So much for keeping his campaign promise to lower retail prices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>
>>>>> The ones working now just need work visas and they can continue working.
>>>>
>>>> They won't be able to, because the GOP believes that to issue work visas
>>>> would be considered to be "Amnesty" ... plus they'll be deported first.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> There are already people on work visas. Those are legal and won't be
>>> deported.
>>
>> Some, but not millions.
>
>
> Millions not needed.

Except that it is already Millions working thusly here in the USA.

In Idaho, its literally half of all of the diary workers in the State.

-hh

On 12/12/24 4:50 PM, chrisv wrote:
> Siri Cruise wrote:
>
>> pothead wrote:
>>>> If the legal system is inadequate, we can expand it. It simply
>>>> requires the political will to do so. Letting them pour over our
>>>> border unvetted is not the solution.
>>> Yes.
>>> I think most agree that the current system is inefficient, outdated and poorly administrated so
>>> we need to invest whatever it takes to improve it.
>>
>> I have never heard a Republican campaign on adequate funding of
>> the State Department to increase immigration.
>
> Well, maybe now's the time. In the past, we got a healthy of Mexicans
> coming over here, who mostly wanted to work an honest life. In recent
> years, a flood of whatevers have been streaming in from all sorts of
> shitholes, many of them criminals and associated drug smuggling.
> If/when we shut that mostly down, and hopefully many of these
> illegals, the need will be there to ramp-up the legal immegration
> system.
>

I had with RonB within the past year on this topic ... it basically
centered around openly asking the question of what would be a "fair"
amount of time to wait on an application that was going to be approved.

IIRC, RonB's take was <5 years; he was shocked to learn its 5x that.

What this shows us is that the systematic fiscal strangling over decades
of the US courts to slow down the application process isn't just an
unfortunate, accidental oversight, but is deliberate cruelty.

Next, on crime, we know from State reporting that the vast majority of
immigrants just want the economic opportunities of the US. Sure, this
doesn't mean that there's zero criminals, but it does mean that the
harping that "many" are bad people i fearmongering political rhetoric.
Likewise, on fentanyl drug smuggling, it is known that the vast majority
(~80%) of those who've gotten caught are US Citizens. Let's deal with
facts, not emotions please.

-hh

chrisv wrote:
> Siri Cruise wrote:
>
>> pothead wrote:
>>>> If the legal system is inadequate, we can expand it. It simply
>>>> requires the political will to do so. Letting them pour over our
>>>> border unvetted is not the solution.
>>> Yes.
>>> I think most agree that the current system is inefficient, outdated and poorly administrated so
>>> we need to invest whatever it takes to improve it.
>>
>> I have never heard a Republican campaign on adequate funding of
>> the State Department to increase immigration.
>
> Well, maybe now's the time. In the past, we got a healthy of Mexicans

By republicans elected by promising to end immigration.

> coming over here, who mostly wanted to work an honest life. In recent
> years, a flood of whatevers have been streaming in from all sorts of
> shitholes, many of them criminals and associated drug smuggling.

Bigotry.

> If/when we shut that mostly down, and hopefully many of these
> illegals, the need will be there to ramp-up the legal immegration
> system.
The large number of border jumpers who find jobs proves the need
already exists.

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On Dec 12, 2024 at 3:08:13 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vjfmsd$2t2cf$4@dont-email.me>:

> On 12/12/24 4:50 PM, chrisv wrote:
>> Siri Cruise wrote:
>>
>>> pothead wrote:
>>>>> If the legal system is inadequate, we can expand it. It simply
>>>>> requires the political will to do so. Letting them pour over our
>>>>> border unvetted is not the solution.
>>>> Yes.
>>>> I think most agree that the current system is inefficient, outdated and
>>>> poorly administrated so
>>>> we need to invest whatever it takes to improve it.
>>>
>>> I have never heard a Republican campaign on adequate funding of
>>> the State Department to increase immigration.
>>
>> Well, maybe now's the time. In the past, we got a healthy of Mexicans
>> coming over here, who mostly wanted to work an honest life. In recent
>> years, a flood of whatevers have been streaming in from all sorts of
>> shitholes, many of them criminals and associated drug smuggling.
>> If/when we shut that mostly down, and hopefully many of these
>> illegals, the need will be there to ramp-up the legal immegration
>> system.
>>
>
> I had with RonB within the past year on this topic ... it basically
> centered around openly asking the question of what would be a "fair"
> amount of time to wait on an application that was going to be approved.
>
> IIRC, RonB's take was <5 years; he was shocked to learn its 5x that.> What
> this shows us is that the systematic fiscal strangling over decades
> of the US courts to slow down the application process isn't just an
> unfortunate, accidental oversight, but is deliberate cruelty.

Very well worded.
>
> Next, on crime, we know from State reporting that the vast majority of
> immigrants just want the economic opportunities of the US. Sure, this
> doesn't mean that there's zero criminals, but it does mean that the
> harping that "many" are bad people i fearmongering political rhetoric.

Lower rates of violent crime than with US Citizens. Hell, I bet a lower rate
than Trump's cabinet.

> Likewise, on fentanyl drug smuggling, it is known that the vast majority
> (~80%) of those who've gotten caught are US Citizens. Let's deal with
> facts, not emotions please.

PLEASE!
>
>
> -hh

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-hh wrote:
> I had with RonB within the past year on this topic ... it
> basically centered around openly asking the question of what would
> be a "fair" amount of time to wait on an application that was
> going to be approved.
>
> IIRC, RonB's take was <5 years; he was shocked to learn its 5x that.
>

For seasonal work, the wait should be a few days. They come in
when we have work for them, and they go home to be with their
families when the work is gone. Nobody wants to be away during
Christmas. When they can easily and cheaply move with the work,
why should they stay here unemployed?

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In article <vjfm4t$2t2cf$3@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>
> On 12/11/24 9:11 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <vjde57$1q2jn$2@dont-email.me>,
> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>
> >> On 12/11/24 4:08 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>> In article <vjcujs$1lg1b$3@dont-email.me>,
> >>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12/11/24 3:07 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>> In article <vjcqqq$1lg1b$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 12/11/24 10:42 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> >>>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> >>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
> >>>>>>>> within
> >>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> [quote]
> >>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals who
> >>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already part of
> >>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
> >>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
> >>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still are.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -highhorse.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sure, there's always going to be *some* uptake, but the low unemployment
> >>>>>> rate means that the current labor shortage will be made worse.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> citizens who would opt for those jobs, but the low unemployment rate
> >>>>>> shows that many jobs will have to go unfilled, which means that employer
> >>>>>> competition would increase those jobs' wages.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Of course, those higher business costs would be passed along by the
> >>>>>> employers as higher product costs .. which causes higher inflation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So much for keeping his campaign promise to lower retail prices.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The ones working now just need work visas and they can continue working.
> >>>>
> >>>> They won't be able to, because the GOP believes that to issue work visas
> >>>> would be considered to be "Amnesty" ... plus they'll be deported first.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> There are already people on work visas. Those are legal and won't be
> >>> deported.
> >>
> >> Some, but not millions.
> >
> >
> > Millions not needed.
>
> Except that it is already Millions working thusly here in the USA.

Then we don't need any more.
>
> In Idaho, its literally half of all of the diary workers in the State.

So? Are they legal?
>
>
> -hh

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:675a4973$0$1895494$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <vjdgnd$1qdi9$3@dont-email.me>,
> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>
>> On 12/11/24 6:33 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>> > In article <vjd0un$1nulf$2@dont-email.me>,
>> > bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
>> >>
>> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> >> news:6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>> >>
>> >>> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>,
>> >>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> >>>> news:6759b2d9$8$1895507 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
>> >>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>> >>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
>> >>>>>>>> skills
>> >>>>>> within
>> >>>>>>>> the GOP:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> [quote]
>> >>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass
>> >>>>>>>> deportations:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus
>> >>>>>>>> illegals who are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor
>> >>>>>>>> force..."
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're
>> >>>>>>>> already part
>> >>>> of
>> >>>>>>>> the labor force."
>> >>>>>>>> [/quote]
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
>> >>>>>>> Witness. Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market,
>> >>>>>>> and still are.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
>> >>>> highhorse.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves
>> >>>> until you can recruit and train those workers. From time to
>> >>>> time some have tried those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with
>> >>>> those immigrants.
>> >>>
>> >>> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no
>> >>> problem. See how that works?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> They refuse to issue work visas. There are virtually NO legal way
>> >> to immigate to the US. People have been on waiting lists for
>> >> decades.
>> >
>> > Bullshit. It can be done from their own country. I lived on the
>> > border in AZ for many years. I know how it works.
>>
>> So much depends on what category, which type of permit and with which
>> restrictions...and they all have quotas.
>>
>> For example, for someone who's applying for a green card based on
>> just being an adult sibling of a US Citizen already living here, it
>> falls into a country quota set in the 1964 immigration act, and while
>> the general que is over a decade long, some countries such as Mexico
>> are even longer. To whit:
>>
>> [quote]
>> How Long Does It Take Siblings of U.S. Citizens To Get a Green Card?
>> The process usually takes 14-16 years for siblings of U.S. citizens.
>>
>> However, it depends on your home country:
>>
>> For citizens of India, the process can take 16+ years
>> For citizens of Mexico, 20+ years
>> For citizens of the Philippines, 24+ years
>> [/quote]
>>
>> <https://www.immigrationhelp.org/learning-center/green-card-processing
>> -times>
>>
>> And as you should know, a green card is the pragmatic minimum for
>> planning residency, because work permits are quite temporary.
>>
>>
> So? Just follow the law and allow yourself to be vetted then you are
> welcome.
>
Just read an account where they followed the law - they waited in Tijuama
until they could get an appointment to apply for amnisty - now the women,
her husband and MIL are in separate detentions in Alabama and her 1yro
child has been taken from her and placed in foster care. That's the INS
for you - that's what comes of Following the Law.

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:675a4a90$4$2385550$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> So? Just follow the rules and don't jump the fence. Why is that so
> hard for you tards?
>
And if you follow the rule you can end up in Detention anyway.

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
news:svillj5732g02g8rog4t6q2jfsoo069e7s@4ax.com:

> Baxter wrote:
>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>> Baxter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until you
>>>>can recruit and train those workers.
>>>
>>> Not MUCH higher, because we can still allow immigration. Just not
>>> avalanche of it that we've under the Biden administration.
>>
>> Not enough.
>
> If the legal system is inadequate, we can expand it. It simply
> requires the political will to do so. Letting them pour over our
> border unvetted is not the solution.
>
"
Who says we're letting them "pour over our border unvetted"? Why only
rabid conservaturds - especially tRump. Except when Dems tried to get a
bi-partisan bill though, tRump killed it.