"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
news:vjdgnd$1qdi9$3@dont-email.me...
> On 12/11/24 6:33 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>> In article <vjd0un$1nulf$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
>>>>>>>>> skills
>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
>>>>>>>>> who are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>>>>>>>> part
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
>>>>>>>> Witness. Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and
>>>>>>>> still are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
>>>>> highhorse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
>>>>> you can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some have
>>>>> tried those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
>>>>
>>>> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no problem.
>>>> See how that works?
>>>>
>>>
>>> They refuse to issue work visas. There are virtually NO legal way to
>>> immigate to the US. People have been on waiting lists for decades.
>>
>> Bullshit. It can be done from their own country. I lived on the border
>> in AZ for many years. I know how it works.
>
> So much depends on what category, which type of permit and with which
> restrictions...and they all have quotas.
>
> For example, for someone who's applying for a green card based on just
> being an adult sibling of a US Citizen already living here, it falls into
> a country quota set in the 1964 immigration act, and while the general que
> is over a decade long, some countries such as Mexico are even longer. To
> whit:
>
> [quote]
> How Long Does It Take Siblings of U.S. Citizens To Get a Green Card?
> The process usually takes 14-16 years for siblings of U.S. citizens.
>
> However, it depends on your home country:
>
> For citizens of India, the process can take 16+ years
> For citizens of Mexico, 20+ years
> For citizens of the Philippines, 24+ years
> [/quote]
>
> <https://www.immigrationhelp.org/learning-center/green-card-processing-times>
>
> And as you should know, a green card is the pragmatic minimum for planning
> residency, because work permits are quite temporary.

Agreed the system needs an overhaul and to be updated, but that doesn't
change the principles under discussion.

"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:vjdkjh$1qsk5$5@dont-email.me...
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:675a214d$0$3620711
> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <vjd0un$1nulf$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>> > In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
> _spamblock@baxcode.com
>>> > says...
>>> >>
>>> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b2d9$8
> $1895507
>>> >> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>> >>
>>> >> > In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
>>> >> > bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>> >> >> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> > -hh wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >>BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
>>> >> >> >>skills
>>> >> >> within
>>> >> >> >>the GOP:
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>[quote]
>>> >> >> >>Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass
> deportations:
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus
> illegals
>>> >> >> >>who are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>> >> >> >>part
>>> >> of
>>> >> >> >>the labor force."
>>> >> >> >>[/quote]
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
>>> >> >> > Witness. Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market,
> and
>>> >> >> > still are.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
>>> >> highhorse.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > His response will be deleted, unread.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > There will be and at higher wages.
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
>>> >> you can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some
> have
>>> >> tried those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
>>> >
>>> > Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no
> problem.
>>> > See how that works?
>>> >
>>>
>>> They refuse to issue work visas. There are virtually NO legal way to
>>> immigate to the US. People have been on waiting lists for decades.
>>
>> Bullshit. It can be done from their own country. I lived on the border
>> in AZ for many years. I know how it works.
>>
>
> Prove it! You won't because you're a lying Ruski bot

Baxter, you can't demand proof, when you fail to present any.

"Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:675a0912$6$2385532$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:46:36 PM MST, "Baxter" wrote
> <vjd17r$1nulf$3@dont-email.me>:
>
>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in news:6759ee2e$2$3068683
>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 12:51:40 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>> <6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>
>>>> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
>> _spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
>> who
>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>> part
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
>>>>> highhorse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
>> you
>>>>> can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some have
>> tried
>>>>> those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
>>>>
>>>> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no problem.
>>>> See how that works?
>>>
>>> I do. You don't.
>>>
>> ==============
>> Why Legal Immigration Is Nearly Impossible
>>
>> America traditionally had few immigration restrictions, but since the
>> 1920s, the law has banned most aspiring immigrants. Today, fewer than 1
>> percent of people who want to move permanently to the United States can
>> do so legally. Immigrants cannot simply get an exception to immigrate any
>> more than restaurateurs in the 1920s could simply get an exception to
>> sell alcohol.
>>
>> https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/why-legal-immigration-nearly-
>> impossible#
>
> We as a country created a black market immigration system and then blame
> the
> immigrants.

You could say the same about moonshiners, drug dealers, and so on..

If you break the law, you are responsible for your own actions.

It's like claiming that it's hard to get a pilot's license so we should
allow people without them to fly anyway.

"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:vjd1c8$1nulf$4@dont-email.me...
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:6759ee9a$5$3830$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <vjcple$1mhot$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b184$3$3620709
>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>> > In article <vjc3b8$1i4rt$4@dont-email.me>,
>>> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>> >>
>>> >> On 12/11/24 7:19 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> >> > {...}
>>> >> >>>> And do note that Musk is into Bitcoin - specifically DOGE
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> ============
>>> >> >>>> Elon Musk?s Bitcoin Holdings Surge to $2 Billion as Asset
>>> >> >>>> Crosses $100,000
>>> >> >>>> ...>>>
>>> >> >>> So? He's rich and can do that shit.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> If crypto does happen, what's your response if Musk convinces
>>> >> Trump to put the money into DOGEcoin instead of the much more
>>> >> popular BITcoin? Because not all cyrpto is fungible... that's
>>> >> what's in it for Musk.
>>> >
>>> > I don't really care as long as there is gas in my tank and food on
>>> > my table.
>>> ===========
>>> People voted for deportations but also cheap groceries, and you can?t
>>> have both. If you?re worried about groceries, hoo boy. Fifteen
>>> percent of construction workers, half of food workers, and our annual
>>> GDP will be tits-up, you morons. Do you like food? Grab your ankles!
>>> Many are essential workers, what part of essential don?t you
>>> understand? And they also spend money and pay taxes, dumbass.
>>
>> As long as they have work visas.
>>
> They can't get work visas that don't exist.

Well, since they do exist, that leaves you without an argument.

"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:vjdkth$1v4ah$5@dont-email.me...
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:675a2fb6$0$3620709
> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <vjd1c8$1nulf$4@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:6759ee9a$5$3830$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>> > In article <vjcple$1mhot$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
> _spamblock@baxcode.com
>>> > says...
>>> >>
>>> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b184$3
> $3620709
>>> >> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>> >>
>>> >> > In article <vjc3b8$1i4rt$4@dont-email.me>,
>>> >> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On 12/11/24 7:19 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> >> >> > {...}
>>> >> >> >>>> And do note that Musk is into Bitcoin - specifically DOGE
>>> >> >> >>>>
>>> >> >> >>>> ============
>>> >> >> >>>> Elon Musk?s Bitcoin Holdings Surge to $2 Billion as Asset
>>> >> >> >>>> Crosses $100,000
>>> >> >> >>>> ...>>>
>>> >> >> >>> So? He's rich and can do that shit.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> If crypto does happen, what's your response if Musk convinces
>>> >> >> Trump to put the money into DOGEcoin instead of the much more
>>> >> >> popular BITcoin? Because not all cyrpto is fungible... that's
>>> >> >> what's in it for Musk.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I don't really care as long as there is gas in my tank and food
> on
>>> >> > my table.
>>> >> ===========
>>> >> People voted for deportations but also cheap groceries, and you
> can?t
>>> >> have both. If you?re worried about groceries, hoo boy. Fifteen
>>> >> percent of construction workers, half of food workers, and our
> annual
>>> >> GDP will be tits-up, you morons. Do you like food? Grab your
> ankles!
>>> >> Many are essential workers, what part of essential don?t you
>>> >> understand? And they also spend money and pay taxes, dumbass.
>>> >
>>> > As long as they have work visas.
>>> >
>>> They can't get work visas that don't exist.
>>
>> They do exist. Damn yer really a sore loser.
>>
> ===============
> For example, the H-2B visa program caps the number of workers at 66,000
> workers per year, split between the first and second halves of the fiscal
> year. In FY 2023, the total demand for H-2B workers through the
> Department of Labor certification process exceeded 215,000.
> =============

Baxter admits work permits exist and that people get them.

"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:vjd1jf$1nulf$5@dont-email.me...
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:6759f0e6$3$2783$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <vjcqqq$1lg1b$1@dont-email.me>,
>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>
>>> On 12/11/24 10:42 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> > In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
>>> > bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
>>> >>
>>> >> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>> >> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>> >>
>>> >>> -hh wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
>>> >>>> skills
>>> >> within
>>> >>>> the GOP:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> [quote]
>>> >>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
>>> >>>> who are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>> >>>> part of the labor force."
>>> >>>> [/quote]
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
>>> >>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still
>>> >>> are.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from
>>> >>> -highhorse.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>> >>
>>> >> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>> >
>>> > There will be and at higher wages.
>>>
>>> Sure, there's always going to be *some* uptake, but the low
>>> unemployment rate means that the current labor shortage will be made
>>> worse.
>>>
>>> citizens who would opt for those jobs, but the low unemployment rate
>>> shows that many jobs will have to go unfilled, which means that
>>> employer competition would increase those jobs' wages.
>>>
>>> Of course, those higher business costs would be passed along by the
>>> employers as higher product costs .. which causes higher inflation.
>>>
>>> So much for keeping his campaign promise to lower retail prices.
>>>
>>> -hh
>>
>> The ones working now just need work visas and they can continue
>> working.
>>
>
> Where are they going to get these non-existand work visas?

They do exist.. by your own admission.

"Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
news:vjdkn3$1v4ah$2@dont-email.me...
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:675a2bfd$0$3620703$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <vjd1jf$1nulf$5@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:6759f0e6$3$2783$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>> > In article <vjcqqq$1lg1b$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>> >>
>>> >> On 12/11/24 10:42 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> >> > In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
>>> >> > bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>> >> >> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> -hh wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
>>> >> >>>> skills
>>> >> >> within
>>> >> >>>> the GOP:
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> [quote]
>>> >> >>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass
>>> >> >>>> deportations:
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus
>>> >> >>>> illegals who are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor
>>> >> >>>> force..."
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>> >> >>>> part of the labor force."
>>> >> >>>> [/quote]
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
>>> >> >>> Witness. Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market,
>>> >> >>> and still are.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from
>>> >> >>> -highhorse.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > There will be and at higher wages.
>>> >>
>>> >> Sure, there's always going to be *some* uptake, but the low
>>> >> unemployment rate means that the current labor shortage will be
>>> >> made worse.
>>> >>
>>> >> citizens who would opt for those jobs, but the low unemployment
>>> >> rate shows that many jobs will have to go unfilled, which means
>>> >> that employer competition would increase those jobs' wages.
>>> >>
>>> >> Of course, those higher business costs would be passed along by
>>> >> the employers as higher product costs .. which causes higher
>>> >> inflation.
>>> >>
>>> >> So much for keeping his campaign promise to lower retail prices.
>>> >>
>>> >> -hh
>>> >
>>> > The ones working now just need work visas and they can continue
>>> > working.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Where are they going to get these non-existand work visas?
>>
>>
>> You apply for them just like you do to enter legally.
>
> Skeeter ignores the evidence - like the Ruski bot he is.

Says the person who posted evidence that work visas do indeed exist.

"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:svillj5732g02g8rog4t6q2jfsoo069e7s@4ax.com...
> Baxter wrote:
>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>> Baxter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until you
>>>>can recruit and train those workers.
>>>
>>> Not MUCH higher, because we can still allow immigration. Just not
>>> avalanche of it that we've under the Biden administration.
>>
>> Not enough.
>
> If the legal system is inadequate, we can expand it. It simply
> requires the political will to do so. Letting them pour over our
> border unvetted is not the solution.

Claps...

On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:06:30 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
<vjf31i$1esc2$18@dont-email.me>:

>
>
> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6759fe38$0$3474736$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:01:48 PM MST, "-hh" wrote
>> <vjcujs$1lg1b$3@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 12/11/24 3:07 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>> In article <vjcqqq$1lg1b$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/11/24 10:42 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals who
>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already part
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
>>>>>>>> from -highhorse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure, there's always going to be *some* uptake, but the low
>>>>> unemployment
>>>>> rate means that the current labor shortage will be made worse.
>>>>>
>>>>> citizens who would opt for those jobs, but the low unemployment rate
>>>>> shows that many jobs will have to go unfilled, which means that
>>>>> employer
>>>>> competition would increase those jobs' wages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, those higher business costs would be passed along by the
>>>>> employers as higher product costs .. which causes higher inflation.
>>>>>
>>>>> So much for keeping his campaign promise to lower retail prices.
>>>>>
>>>>> -hh
>>>>
>>>> The ones working now just need work visas and they can continue working.
>>>
>>> They won't be able to, because the GOP believes that to issue work visas
>>> would be considered to be "Amnesty" ... plus they'll be deported first.
>>>
>>>
>>> -hh
>>
>> And they will accuse the people of eating the dogs and cats.
>
> Actually in several central/south American countries, dog is a source of
> meat and cats are as well.

Not relevant to Trump's lies and his cult excusing it.
>
> However, that has nothing to do with the issue.

Agreed.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:10:00 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
<vjf31j$1esc2$20@dont-email.me>:

>
>
> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:675a0906$3$2755$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:41:43 PM MST, "Baxter" wrote
>> <vjd0un$1nulf$2@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
>>>>>>>>> skills
>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
>>>>>>>>> who are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>>>>>>>> part
>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
>>>>>>>> Witness. Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and
>>>>>>>> still are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
>>>>> highhorse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
>>>>> you can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some have
>>>>> tried those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
>>>>
>>>> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no problem.
>>>> See how that works?
>>>>
>>>
>>> They refuse to issue work visas. There are virtually NO legal way to
>>> immigate to the US. People have been on waiting lists for decades.
>>
>> Unless you are Trump's wife. She broke immigration laws in 1996 and none
>> of
>> his supporters care.
>
> And at that time she should have been deported...

Get a Trump cultist to agree.
>
> What does that have to do with the situation today, or the issue under
> discussion?
> ...or are you simply looking for excuses not to discuss the issue?
>

I am noting the hypocrisy.

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:15:08 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
<vjf31m$1esc2$23@dont-email.me>:

>
>
> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:675a0912$6$2385532$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:46:36 PM MST, "Baxter" wrote
>> <vjd17r$1nulf$3@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in news:6759ee2e$2$3068683
>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 12:51:40 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>> <6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
>>> _spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
>>> who
>>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>> part
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
>>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
>>>>>> highhorse.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
>>> you
>>>>>> can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some have
>>> tried
>>>>>> those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no problem.
>>>>> See how that works?
>>>>
>>>> I do. You don't.
>>>>
>>> ==============
>>> Why Legal Immigration Is Nearly Impossible
>>>
>>> America traditionally had few immigration restrictions, but since the
>>> 1920s, the law has banned most aspiring immigrants. Today, fewer than 1
>>> percent of people who want to move permanently to the United States can
>>> do so legally. Immigrants cannot simply get an exception to immigrate any
>>> more than restaurateurs in the 1920s could simply get an exception to
>>> sell alcohol.
>>>
>>> https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/why-legal-immigration-nearly-
>>> impossible#
>>
>> We as a country created a black market immigration system and then blame
>> the
>> immigrants.
>
> You could say the same about moonshiners, drug dealers, and so on..

You can make weak analogies. Sure.
>
> If you break the law, you are responsible for your own actions.

Then Trump should be in prison for his felonies. Much worse than a misdemeanor
of illegally entering the country.
>
> It's like claiming that it's hard to get a pilot's license so we should
> allow people without them to fly anyway.

False equivalency is false.

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

In article <vjf317$1esc2$6@dont-email.me>,
me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net says...
>
> "Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6759f0e6$3$2783$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> > In article <vjcqqq$1lg1b$1@dont-email.me>,
> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>
> >> On 12/11/24 10:42 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >> > In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> >> > says...
> >> >>
> >> >> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> >> >> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
> >> >>
> >> >>> -hh wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
> >> >> within
> >> >>>> the GOP:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> [quote]
> >> >>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals who
> >> >>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already part
> >> >>>> of
> >> >>>> the labor force."
> >> >>>> [/quote]
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
> >> >>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still are.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
> >> >>> from -highhorse.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> His response will be deleted, unread.
> >> >>
> >> >> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
> >> >
> >> > There will be and at higher wages.
> >>
> >> Sure, there's always going to be *some* uptake, but the low unemployment
> >> rate means that the current labor shortage will be made worse.
> >>
> >> citizens who would opt for those jobs, but the low unemployment rate
> >> shows that many jobs will have to go unfilled, which means that employer
> >> competition would increase those jobs' wages.
> >>
> >> Of course, those higher business costs would be passed along by the
> >> employers as higher product costs .. which causes higher inflation.
> >>
> >> So much for keeping his campaign promise to lower retail prices.
> >>
> >> -hh
> >
> > The ones working now just need work visas and they can continue working.
>
> Sounds interesting, but would we want to reward people for violating our
> laws????
>
>

No but there are ways to fix this.

"Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
news:675b1567$2$3827$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> In article <vjf317$1esc2$6@dont-email.me>,
> me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net says...
>>
>> "Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:6759f0e6$3$2783$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>> > In article <vjcqqq$1lg1b$1@dont-email.me>,
>> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>> >>
>> >> On 12/11/24 10:42 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>> >> > In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
>> >> > bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>> >> > says...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>> >> >> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> -hh wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
>> >> >> within
>> >> >>>> the GOP:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> [quote]
>> >> >>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
>> >> >>>> who
>> >> >>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>> >> >>>> part
>> >> >>>> of
>> >> >>>> the labor force."
>> >> >>>> [/quote]
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
>> >> >>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still are.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
>> >> >>> from -highhorse.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>> >> >
>> >> > There will be and at higher wages.
>> >>
>> >> Sure, there's always going to be *some* uptake, but the low
>> >> unemployment
>> >> rate means that the current labor shortage will be made worse.
>> >>
>> >> citizens who would opt for those jobs, but the low unemployment rate
>> >> shows that many jobs will have to go unfilled, which means that
>> >> employer
>> >> competition would increase those jobs' wages.
>> >>
>> >> Of course, those higher business costs would be passed along by the
>> >> employers as higher product costs .. which causes higher inflation.
>> >>
>> >> So much for keeping his campaign promise to lower retail prices.
>> >>
>> >> -hh
>> >
>> > The ones working now just need work visas and they can continue
>> > working.
>>
>> Sounds interesting, but would we want to reward people for violating our
>> laws????
>>
>>
>
> No but there are ways to fix this.

Agreed, they go back to the border, leave the US and apply for reentry and a
work visa.

Granted those last two we need some changes made on our side, but doesn't
change what they need to do if they want to legally live/work here

"Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:675b13a8$0$3068686$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:06:30 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> <vjf31i$1esc2$18@dont-email.me>:
>
>>
>>
>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:6759fe38$0$3474736$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:01:48 PM MST, "-hh" wrote
>>> <vjcujs$1lg1b$3@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> On 12/11/24 3:07 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>> In article <vjcqqq$1lg1b$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/11/24 10:42 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>>>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
>>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
>>>>>>>>> from -highhorse.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, there's always going to be *some* uptake, but the low
>>>>>> unemployment
>>>>>> rate means that the current labor shortage will be made worse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> citizens who would opt for those jobs, but the low unemployment rate
>>>>>> shows that many jobs will have to go unfilled, which means that
>>>>>> employer
>>>>>> competition would increase those jobs' wages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course, those higher business costs would be passed along by the
>>>>>> employers as higher product costs .. which causes higher inflation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So much for keeping his campaign promise to lower retail prices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>
>>>>> The ones working now just need work visas and they can continue
>>>>> working.
>>>>
>>>> They won't be able to, because the GOP believes that to issue work
>>>> visas
>>>> would be considered to be "Amnesty" ... plus they'll be deported first.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -hh
>>>
>>> And they will accuse the people of eating the dogs and cats.
>>
>> Actually in several central/south American countries, dog is a source of
>> meat and cats are as well.
>
> Not relevant to Trump's lies and his cult excusing it.

So why did you bring it up?

>>
>> However, that has nothing to do with the issue.
>
> Agreed.

So again, why did you bring it up?

"Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:675b13db$0$2873013$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:10:00 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> <vjf31j$1esc2$20@dont-email.me>:
>
>>
>>
>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:675a0906$3$2755$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:41:43 PM MST, "Baxter" wrote
>>> <vjd0un$1nulf$2@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
>>>>>>>>>> skills
>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
>>>>>>>>>> who are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>>>>>>>>> part
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
>>>>>>>>> Witness. Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and
>>>>>>>>> still are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
>>>>>> highhorse.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
>>>>>> you can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some have
>>>>>> tried those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no problem.
>>>>> See how that works?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They refuse to issue work visas. There are virtually NO legal way to
>>>> immigate to the US. People have been on waiting lists for decades.
>>>
>>> Unless you are Trump's wife. She broke immigration laws in 1996 and none
>>> of
>>> his supporters care.
>>
>> And at that time she should have been deported...
>
> Get a Trump cultist to agree.

I'm not sure I've ever met a Trump cultist. I mean I know a lot of people
that like him, others feel he can do the job even though they might not
personally like the man.

Meanwhile, when have you met a Trump cultist or is that just a derogatory
statement you use when you have nothing else to say?

>> What does that have to do with the situation today, or the issue under
>> discussion?
>> ...or are you simply looking for excuses not to discuss the issue?
>>
>
> I am noting the hypocrisy.

Except you're not noting the hypocrisy.. rather you are asserting it. Two
very different things.

Meanwhile, I think we all can see your hypocrisy.. you suggested they should
stay but that his wife should have been deported.

Trump cultists didn't make that assertion.. YOU did.

So the only hypocrisy in the discussion seems to be that produced by you.

"Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:675b13de$3$3827$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:15:08 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> <vjf31m$1esc2$23@dont-email.me>:
>
>>
>>
>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:675a0912$6$2385532$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:46:36 PM MST, "Baxter" wrote
>>> <vjd17r$1nulf$3@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in news:6759ee2e$2$3068683
>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 12:51:40 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>>> <6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
>>>> _spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
>>>>>>>>>>> skills
>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>>> part
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
>>>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still
>>>>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
>>>>>>> highhorse.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
>>>> you
>>>>>>> can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some have
>>>> tried
>>>>>>> those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no
>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>> See how that works?
>>>>>
>>>>> I do. You don't.
>>>>>
>>>> ==============
>>>> Why Legal Immigration Is Nearly Impossible
>>>>
>>>> America traditionally had few immigration restrictions, but since the
>>>> 1920s, the law has banned most aspiring immigrants. Today, fewer than 1
>>>> percent of people who want to move permanently to the United States can
>>>> do so legally. Immigrants cannot simply get an exception to immigrate
>>>> any
>>>> more than restaurateurs in the 1920s could simply get an exception to
>>>> sell alcohol.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/why-legal-immigration-nearly-
>>>> impossible#
>>>
>>> We as a country created a black market immigration system and then blame
>>> the
>>> immigrants.
>>
>> You could say the same about moonshiners, drug dealers, and so on..
>
> You can make weak analogies. Sure.

Well, we make alcohol illegal, thus moonshiners. We made certain drugs
illegal, thus drug dealers, Seems like a very direct and straightforward
comparison to me.

But I can see your issue with those, you seem them as crimes.. while illegal
immigration you feel shouldn't be a crime.

>> If you break the law, you are responsible for your own actions.
>
> Then Trump should be in prison for his felonies.

As should Biden and Hunter.

Yet I don't see you complaining about them.

> Much worse than a misdemeanor
> of illegally entering the country.

And yet, you want to excuse them from punishment or even responsibility even
as you hold Trump to a different standard.

Does the word hypocrisy mean anything to you?

>>
>> It's like claiming that it's hard to get a pilot's license so we should
>> allow people without them to fly anyway.
>
> False equivalency is false.

On the contrary, they are very much the same. A permit to allow you to do
something that otherwise would be illegal for you to do.

So once again we see your attempt to impose a double standard based on your
prejudices.

> Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
> cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
> somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

Who is attacking the messenger? I'm simply pointing out the inconsistencies
and issues with your message.

> They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

And yet, I'm the one attempting to discuss the validity of your message.
Meanwhile you want to make it personal.

On Dec 12, 2024 at 10:25:15 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
<vjf6ac$2rvu0$5@dont-email.me>:

>
>
> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:675b13de$3$3827$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>> On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:15:08 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
>> <vjf31m$1esc2$23@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:675a0912$6$2385532$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:46:36 PM MST, "Baxter" wrote
>>>> <vjd17r$1nulf$3@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in news:6759ee2e$2$3068683
>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 12:51:40 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>>>> <6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
>>>>> _spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>> skills
>>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>>>> part
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
>>>>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still
>>>>>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
>>>>>>>> highhorse.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some have
>>>>> tried
>>>>>>>> those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no
>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>> See how that works?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do. You don't.
>>>>>>
>>>>> ==============
>>>>> Why Legal Immigration Is Nearly Impossible
>>>>>
>>>>> America traditionally had few immigration restrictions, but since the
>>>>> 1920s, the law has banned most aspiring immigrants. Today, fewer than 1
>>>>> percent of people who want to move permanently to the United States can
>>>>> do so legally. Immigrants cannot simply get an exception to immigrate
>>>>> any
>>>>> more than restaurateurs in the 1920s could simply get an exception to
>>>>> sell alcohol.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/why-legal-immigration-nearly-
>>>>> impossible#
>>>>
>>>> We as a country created a black market immigration system and then blame
>>>> the
>>>> immigrants.
>>>
>>> You could say the same about moonshiners, drug dealers, and so on..
>>
>> You can make weak analogies. Sure.
>
> Well, we make alcohol illegal, thus moonshiners. We made certain drugs
> illegal, thus drug dealers, Seems like a very direct and straightforward
> comparison to me.

You are incorrect. Those substances are not people. But it is somewhat apt --
those substances are more dangerous and yet alcohol is legal and weed is more
and more so. We realized prohibitions do not work.
>
> But I can see your issue with those, you seem them as crimes.. while illegal
> immigration you feel shouldn't be a crime.

Where did I say it should not be seen as a crime? Speeding is a crime. Jay
walking is a crime. I just think we should keep it in perspective and look at
the bigger picture.
>
>
>>> If you break the law, you are responsible for your own actions.
>>
>> Then Trump should be in prison for his felonies.
>
> As should Biden and Hunter.
>
> Yet I don't see you complaining about them.

He is not relevant here and he has not been convicted of multiple felonies, no
less been found liable for sexual assault. Nor was he tied to Jan. 6. Trying
to equate Hunter with this is absurd.
>
>> Much worse than a misdemeanor
>> of illegally entering the country.
>
> And yet, you want to excuse them from punishment or even responsibility even
> as you hold Trump to a different standard.

Incorrect.
>
> Does the word hypocrisy mean anything to you?

You made a false assumption that led to false conclusions.
>
>
>>>
>>> It's like claiming that it's hard to get a pilot's license so we should
>>> allow people without them to fly anyway.
>>
>> False equivalency is false.
>
> On the contrary,

By definition it is true.

> they are very much the same. A permit to allow you to do
> something that otherwise would be illegal for you to do.
>
> So once again we see your attempt to impose a double standard based on your
> prejudices.

Incorrect.
>
>> Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
>> cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
>> somehow superior by attacking the messenger.
>
> Who is attacking the messenger? I'm simply pointing out the inconsistencies
> and issues with your message.

This is my standard .sig.
>
>
>> They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
>
> And yet, I'm the one attempting to discuss the validity of your message.
> Meanwhile you want to make it personal.
>

I did no such thing.

--
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Dec 12, 2024 at 10:17:45 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
<vjf6ab$2rvu0$4@dont-email.me>:

>
>
> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:675b13db$0$2873013$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>> On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:10:00 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
>> <vjf31j$1esc2$20@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:675a0906$3$2755$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:41:43 PM MST, "Baxter" wrote
>>>> <vjd0un$1nulf$2@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
>>>>>>>>>>> skills
>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
>>>>>>>>>>> who are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>>>>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
>>>>>>>>>> Witness. Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and
>>>>>>>>>> still are.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
>>>>>>> highhorse.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
>>>>>>> you can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some have
>>>>>>> tried those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no problem.
>>>>>> See how that works?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They refuse to issue work visas. There are virtually NO legal way to
>>>>> immigate to the US. People have been on waiting lists for decades.
>>>>
>>>> Unless you are Trump's wife. She broke immigration laws in 1996 and none
>>>> of
>>>> his supporters care.
>>>
>>> And at that time she should have been deported...
>>
>> Get a Trump cultist to agree.
>
> I'm not sure I've ever met a Trump cultist.

They are common. People who back him much the way some backed Hitler.

> I mean I know a lot of people
> that like him, others feel he can do the job even though they might not
> personally like the man.
>
> Meanwhile, when have you met a Trump cultist or is that just a derogatory
> statement you use when you have nothing else to say?

There are many with unquestioning support, a focus on the man (I see his image
on cars as I drive around), extreme adoration, defensive of even his most
absurd comments and lies and areas of ignorant. The term cultish is fitting
and accurate.

>
>>> What does that have to do with the situation today, or the issue under
>>> discussion?
>>> ...or are you simply looking for excuses not to discuss the issue?
>>>
>>
>> I am noting the hypocrisy.
>
> Except you're not noting the hypocrisy.. rather you are asserting it. Two
> very different things.

It is hypocritical to excuse Trump's wife while vilifying others here no more
legally.
>
> Meanwhile, I think we all can see your hypocrisy.. you suggested they should
> stay but that his wife should have been deported.

Cite where I said that.

>
> Trump cultists didn't make that assertion.. YOU did.
>
> So the only hypocrisy in the discussion seems to be that produced by you.
>
>

What "seems" to be by you is not tied to my comments.

--
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Dec 12, 2024 at 10:12:25 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
<vjf6aa$2rvu0$3@dont-email.me>:

>
>
> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:675b13a8$0$3068686$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>> On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:06:30 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
>> <vjf31i$1esc2$18@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:6759fe38$0$3474736$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:01:48 PM MST, "-hh" wrote
>>>> <vjcujs$1lg1b$3@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/11/24 3:07 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>> In article <vjcqqq$1lg1b$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/11/24 10:42 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>>>>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
>>>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still are.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
>>>>>>>>>> from -highhorse.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure, there's always going to be *some* uptake, but the low
>>>>>>> unemployment
>>>>>>> rate means that the current labor shortage will be made worse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> citizens who would opt for those jobs, but the low unemployment rate
>>>>>>> shows that many jobs will have to go unfilled, which means that
>>>>>>> employer
>>>>>>> competition would increase those jobs' wages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course, those higher business costs would be passed along by the
>>>>>>> employers as higher product costs .. which causes higher inflation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So much for keeping his campaign promise to lower retail prices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ones working now just need work visas and they can continue
>>>>>> working.
>>>>>
>>>>> They won't be able to, because the GOP believes that to issue work
>>>>> visas
>>>>> would be considered to be "Amnesty" ... plus they'll be deported first.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -hh
>>>>
>>>> And they will accuse the people of eating the dogs and cats.
>>>
>>> Actually in several central/south American countries, dog is a source of
>>> meat and cats are as well.
>>
>> Not relevant to Trump's lies and his cult excusing it.
>
> So why did you bring it up?

Because of Trump's lies about it.

>
>
>>>
>>> However, that has nothing to do with the issue.
>>
>> Agreed.
>
> So again, why did you bring it up?
>
>

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

"Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:675b21d9$9$883680$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> On Dec 12, 2024 at 10:12:25 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> <vjf6aa$2rvu0$3@dont-email.me>:
>
>>
>>
>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:675b13a8$0$3068686$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>> On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:06:30 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
>>> <vjf31i$1esc2$18@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:6759fe38$0$3474736$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:01:48 PM MST, "-hh" wrote
>>>>> <vjcujs$1lg1b$3@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/11/24 3:07 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <vjcqqq$1lg1b$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/11/24 10:42 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>> skills
>>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass
>>>>>>>>>>>> deportations:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>>>>>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
>>>>>>>>>>> Witness.
>>>>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still
>>>>>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
>>>>>>>>>>> from -highhorse.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure, there's always going to be *some* uptake, but the low
>>>>>>>> unemployment
>>>>>>>> rate means that the current labor shortage will be made worse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> citizens who would opt for those jobs, but the low unemployment
>>>>>>>> rate
>>>>>>>> shows that many jobs will have to go unfilled, which means that
>>>>>>>> employer
>>>>>>>> competition would increase those jobs' wages.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course, those higher business costs would be passed along by the
>>>>>>>> employers as higher product costs .. which causes higher inflation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So much for keeping his campaign promise to lower retail prices.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The ones working now just need work visas and they can continue
>>>>>>> working.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They won't be able to, because the GOP believes that to issue work
>>>>>> visas
>>>>>> would be considered to be "Amnesty" ... plus they'll be deported
>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>
>>>>> And they will accuse the people of eating the dogs and cats.
>>>>
>>>> Actually in several central/south American countries, dog is a source
>>>> of
>>>> meat and cats are as well.
>>>
>>> Not relevant to Trump's lies and his cult excusing it.
>>
>> So why did you bring it up?
>
> Because of Trump's lies about it.

Lies about what? dogs and cats?

Seems to me YOU brought up that topic.

Let me guess.. this is the point your realize you painted yourself in to a
corner and are desperately hoping I will allow you to change the subject.

>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> However, that has nothing to do with the issue.
>>>
>>> Agreed.
>>
>> So again, why did you bring it up?
>>
>>
>

<crickets>

"Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:675b21c5$8$2789$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> On Dec 12, 2024 at 10:17:45 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> <vjf6ab$2rvu0$4@dont-email.me>:
>
>>
>>
>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:675b13db$0$2873013$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>> On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:10:00 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
>>> <vjf31j$1esc2$20@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:675a0906$3$2755$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:41:43 PM MST, "Baxter" wrote
>>>>> <vjd0un$1nulf$2@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>> skills
>>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass
>>>>>>>>>>>> deportations:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
>>>>>>>>>>>> who are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>>>>>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
>>>>>>>>>>> Witness. Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and
>>>>>>>>>>> still are.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
>>>>>>>> highhorse.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
>>>>>>>> you can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> tried those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no
>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>> See how that works?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They refuse to issue work visas. There are virtually NO legal way to
>>>>>> immigate to the US. People have been on waiting lists for decades.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless you are Trump's wife. She broke immigration laws in 1996 and
>>>>> none
>>>>> of
>>>>> his supporters care.
>>>>
>>>> And at that time she should have been deported...
>>>
>>> Get a Trump cultist to agree.
>>
>> I'm not sure I've ever met a Trump cultist.
>
> They are common.

I'm sure you think so, but we've already established that your perceptions
and reality are two different things.

> People who back him much the way some backed Hitler.

or Biden?

I mean anyone could tell the man was mentally incompetent, and I was willing
to let the man finish his term to protect the office.. but why would you put
him up for reelection?

Na, Democrats screwed themselves on that one and have only themselves to
blame.

>> I mean I know a lot of people
>> that like him, others feel he can do the job even though they might not
>> personally like the man.
>>
>> Meanwhile, when have you met a Trump cultist or is that just a derogatory
>> statement you use when you have nothing else to say?
>
>
> There are many with unquestioning support,

Lame, unsupported assertion.

> a focus on the man (I see his image
> on cars as I drive around),

So? You don't think people have pictures of Biden on their cars?

https://i.etsystatic.com/28696592/r/il/212251/5884315763/il_fullxfull.5884315763_p3n3.jpg

Does that make them Biden cultists?

> extreme adoration, defensive of even his most
> absurd comments and lies and areas of ignorant.

Again the same can be said about those who supported Biden.. even during his
failed attempt at reelection.

> The term cultish is fitting
> and accurate.

No more so than we could describe some Democrats as being Biden cultists.

>>>> What does that have to do with the situation today, or the issue under
>>>> discussion?
>>>> ...or are you simply looking for excuses not to discuss the issue?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am noting the hypocrisy.
>>
>> Except you're not noting the hypocrisy.. rather you are asserting it. Two
>> very different things.
>
> It is hypocritical to excuse Trump's wife while vilifying others here no
> more
> legally.

Who here has done that?

It IS hypocritical to attack Trump's wife for that which you are attempting
to make excuses for others doing.

>> Meanwhile, I think we all can see your hypocrisy.. you suggested they
>> should
>> stay but that his wife should have been deported.
>
> Cite where I said that.

So you do support the deportation of illegal aliens?

>> Trump cultists didn't make that assertion.. YOU did.
>>
>> So the only hypocrisy in the discussion seems to be that produced by you.
>>
>>
>
> What "seems" to be by you is not tied to my comments.

And yet it is and the only one that can't see that is you.

"Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:675b211c$0$212420$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> On Dec 12, 2024 at 10:25:15 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> <vjf6ac$2rvu0$5@dont-email.me>:
>
>>
>>
>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:675b13de$3$3827$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>> On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:15:08 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
>>> <vjf31m$1esc2$23@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:675a0912$6$2385532$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:46:36 PM MST, "Baxter" wrote
>>>>> <vjd17r$1nulf$3@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in news:6759ee2e$2$3068683
>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 12:51:40 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>>>>> <6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
>>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
>>>>>> _spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> skills
>>>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass
>>>>>>>>>>>>> deportations:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> illegals
>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>>>>> part
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still
>>>>>>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
>>>>>>>>> highhorse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some have
>>>>>> tried
>>>>>>>>> those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no
>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>> See how that works?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do. You don't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ==============
>>>>>> Why Legal Immigration Is Nearly Impossible
>>>>>>
>>>>>> America traditionally had few immigration restrictions, but since the
>>>>>> 1920s, the law has banned most aspiring immigrants. Today, fewer than
>>>>>> 1
>>>>>> percent of people who want to move permanently to the United States
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> do so legally. Immigrants cannot simply get an exception to immigrate
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> more than restaurateurs in the 1920s could simply get an exception to
>>>>>> sell alcohol.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/why-legal-immigration-nearly-
>>>>>> impossible#
>>>>>
>>>>> We as a country created a black market immigration system and then
>>>>> blame
>>>>> the
>>>>> immigrants.
>>>>
>>>> You could say the same about moonshiners, drug dealers, and so on..
>>>
>>> You can make weak analogies. Sure.
>>
>> Well, we make alcohol illegal, thus moonshiners. We made certain drugs
>> illegal, thus drug dealers, Seems like a very direct and straightforward
>> comparison to me.
>
> You are incorrect. Those substances are not people.

And who said they were? Moonshiners and Drug Dealers are certainly people..
which we created by making something illegal.

> But it is somewhat apt --
> those substances are more dangerous and yet alcohol is legal and weed is
> more
> and more so. We realized prohibitions do not work.

And yet, we've put a LOT of people in jail for those crimes even though we
made not have eliminated it.

>> But I can see your issue with those, you seem them as crimes.. while
>> illegal
>> immigration you feel shouldn't be a crime.
>
> Where did I say it should not be seen as a crime? Speeding is a crime. Jay
> walking is a crime. I just think we should keep it in perspective and look
> at
> the bigger picture.

Oh, so it's ok to violate the law just as long as the "big picture" is
breaking the law, any law, is acceptable?

Who decides what laws matter? Can I decide that the laws that keep me from
murdering you shouldn't count and thus in the "big picture" you're not
really relevant and your death doesn't matter?

Please tell me who gets to decide such matters?

Seems to me that's why we have laws to tell us those things are wrong...

>>>> If you break the law, you are responsible for your own actions.
>>>
>>> Then Trump should be in prison for his felonies.
>>
>> As should Biden and Hunter.
>>
>> Yet I don't see you complaining about them.
>
> He is not relevant here and he has not been convicted of multiple
> felonies, no
> less been found liable for sexual assault. Nor was he tied to Jan. 6.
> Trying
> to equate Hunter with this is absurd.

Why not? Innocent people don't need pardons from their fathers.

After all, it's not the first time that Biden has used his office to protect
his son from possible criminal prosecution.

meanwhile I would note that the only reason Biden wasn't prosecuted is that
he was deemed to mental incapacitated to stand trial.. yet was perfectly
capable of not only continuing to carry out the office of President but to
seek reelection.

On Dec 12, 2024 at 11:12:43 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
<vjf93n$2sgn6$3@dont-email.me>:

>
>
> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:675b211c$0$212420$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>> On Dec 12, 2024 at 10:25:15 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
>> <vjf6ac$2rvu0$5@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:675b13de$3$3827$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>>> On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:15:08 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
>>>> <vjf31m$1esc2$23@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:675a0912$6$2385532$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:46:36 PM MST, "Baxter" wrote
>>>>>> <vjd17r$1nulf$3@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in news:6759ee2e$2$3068683
>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 12:51:40 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>>>>>> <6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
>>>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
>>>>>>> _spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> skills
>>>>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deportations:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illegals
>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
>>>>>>>>>> highhorse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some have
>>>>>>> tried
>>>>>>>>>> those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no
>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>> See how that works?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do. You don't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ==============
>>>>>>> Why Legal Immigration Is Nearly Impossible
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> America traditionally had few immigration restrictions, but since the
>>>>>>> 1920s, the law has banned most aspiring immigrants. Today, fewer than
>>>>>>> 1
>>>>>>> percent of people who want to move permanently to the United States
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> do so legally. Immigrants cannot simply get an exception to immigrate
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> more than restaurateurs in the 1920s could simply get an exception to
>>>>>>> sell alcohol.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/why-legal-immigration-nearly-
>>>>>>> impossible#
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We as a country created a black market immigration system and then
>>>>>> blame
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> immigrants.
>>>>>
>>>>> You could say the same about moonshiners, drug dealers, and so on..
>>>>
>>>> You can make weak analogies. Sure.
>>>
>>> Well, we make alcohol illegal, thus moonshiners. We made certain drugs
>>> illegal, thus drug dealers, Seems like a very direct and straightforward
>>> comparison to me.
>>
>> You are incorrect. Those substances are not people.
>
> And who said they were? Moonshiners and Drug Dealers are certainly people..
> which we created by making something illegal.

A substance being illegal and a person being here illegally are not the same.
>
>> But it is somewhat apt --
>> those substances are more dangerous and yet alcohol is legal and weed is
>> more
>> and more so. We realized prohibitions do not work.
>
> And yet, we've put a LOT of people in jail for those crimes even though we
> made not have eliminated it.

Not in contention. And we have not learned.
>
>
>>> But I can see your issue with those, you seem them as crimes.. while
>>> illegal
>>> immigration you feel shouldn't be a crime.
>>
>> Where did I say it should not be seen as a crime? Speeding is a crime. Jay
>> walking is a crime. I just think we should keep it in perspective and look
>> at
>> the bigger picture.
>
> Oh, so it's ok to violate the law just as long as the "big picture" is
> breaking the law, any law, is acceptable?

How so? Again: I am saying to keep things in perspective... not to ignore law
breaking. Then again I will say I have no issue with jury nullification and
civil disobedience. But this is getting more philosophical than needed.
>
> Who decides what laws matter? Can I decide that the laws that keep me from
> murdering you shouldn't count and thus in the "big picture" you're not
> really relevant and your death doesn't matter?

On Dec 12, 2024 at 11:02:59 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
<vjf93m$2sgn6$2@dont-email.me>:

>
>
> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:675b21c5$8$2789$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>> On Dec 12, 2024 at 10:17:45 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
>> <vjf6ab$2rvu0$4@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:675b13db$0$2873013$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>>> On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:10:00 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
>>>> <vjf31j$1esc2$20@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:675a0906$3$2755$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:41:43 PM MST, "Baxter" wrote
>>>>>> <vjd0un$1nulf$2@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
>>>>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> skills
>>>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass
>>>>>>>>>>>>> deportations:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>>>>>>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness. Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> still are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
>>>>>>>>> highhorse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
>>>>>>>>> you can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> tried those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no
>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>> See how that works?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They refuse to issue work visas. There are virtually NO legal way to
>>>>>>> immigate to the US. People have been on waiting lists for decades.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless you are Trump's wife. She broke immigration laws in 1996 and
>>>>>> none
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> his supporters care.
>>>>>
>>>>> And at that time she should have been deported...
>>>>
>>>> Get a Trump cultist to agree.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure I've ever met a Trump cultist.
>>
>> They are common.
>
> I'm sure you think so, but we've already established that your perceptions
> and reality are two different things.
>

Unsupported accusation. Remember: you repeatedly seek to speak FOR me and then
hold me accountable for YOUR ideas.

>> People who back him much the way some backed Hitler.
>
> or Biden?

This is not common. And Biden does not act or speak like Hitler. He does not
speak of wanting his generals to act like Hitlers. He does not push fascism.
He does not use Nazi language such as "poisoning the blood" and "America is
for Americans only". He does not fit the things Trump does:

https://chatgpt.com/share/6730c919-4df8-8012-b2e0-b9323024fc1b

You are trying to pretend that Biden is comparable to Trump in this way but it
is not backed by evidence.

> I mean anyone could tell the man was mentally incompetent, and I was willing
> to let the man finish his term to protect the office.. but why would you put
> him up for reelection?

I am happy he dropped out. But there were TWO elderly men clearly with
diminished mental capacity running... the Democrats encouraged there candidate
to drop out. The Republicans failed to push their old senile man to drop out.
Why do you think that is?

> Na, Democrats screwed themselves on that one and have only themselves to
> blame.

The Democratic party is horrid. Better than the Republicans, clearly, but
still horrible. Remember, I am not a part of a cult.

>
>>> I mean I know a lot of people
>>> that like him, others feel he can do the job even though they might not
>>> personally like the man.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, when have you met a Trump cultist or is that just a derogatory
>>> statement you use when you have nothing else to say?
>>
>>
>> There are many with unquestioning support,
>
> Lame, unsupported assertion.

If you do not fit that surely you will be happy to speak to Trump's guilt on
many felonies and his sexual assault. You will not shy away from speaking of
how he uses Nazi language and propaganda. You will not back down from calling
him out as senile and unfit for office. Keep in mind many of those closest to
him -- Republicans -- have called him out. This is not a partisan issue.
>
>> a focus on the man (I see his image
>> on cars as I drive around),
>
> So? You don't think people have pictures of Biden on their cars?

Not outside of election materials. And not to the point they could not back
Harris. No, I see little if any cult-like behavior on the left. There was some
level of it for H. Clinton, but nothing like what we see for Trump.

>
> https://i.etsystatic.com/28696592/r/il/212251/5884315763/il_fullxfull.5884315763_p3n3.jpg
>
> Does that make them Biden cultists?

Explain how it could.
>
>> extreme adoration, defensive of even his most
>> absurd comments and lies and areas of ignorant.
>
> Again the same can be said about those who supported Biden.. even during his
> failed attempt at reelection.

On Dec 12, 2024 at 10:52:32 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
<vjf93l$2sgn6$1@dont-email.me>:

>
>
> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:675b21d9$9$883680$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>> On Dec 12, 2024 at 10:12:25 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
>> <vjf6aa$2rvu0$3@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:675b13a8$0$3068686$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>>> On Dec 12, 2024 at 9:06:30 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
>>>> <vjf31i$1esc2$18@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Snit" <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:6759fe38$0$3474736$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
>>>>>> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:01:48 PM MST, "-hh" wrote
>>>>>> <vjcujs$1lg1b$3@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/11/24 3:07 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <vjcqqq$1lg1b$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/11/24 10:42 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> skills
>>>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass
>>>>>>>>>>>>> deportations:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>>>>>>>>>>>> part
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still
>>>>>>>>>>>> are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
>>>>>>>>>>>> from -highhorse.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure, there's always going to be *some* uptake, but the low
>>>>>>>>> unemployment
>>>>>>>>> rate means that the current labor shortage will be made worse.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> citizens who would opt for those jobs, but the low unemployment
>>>>>>>>> rate
>>>>>>>>> shows that many jobs will have to go unfilled, which means that
>>>>>>>>> employer
>>>>>>>>> competition would increase those jobs' wages.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course, those higher business costs would be passed along by the
>>>>>>>>> employers as higher product costs .. which causes higher inflation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So much for keeping his campaign promise to lower retail prices.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The ones working now just need work visas and they can continue
>>>>>>>> working.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They won't be able to, because the GOP believes that to issue work
>>>>>>> visas
>>>>>>> would be considered to be "Amnesty" ... plus they'll be deported
>>>>>>> first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And they will accuse the people of eating the dogs and cats.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually in several central/south American countries, dog is a source
>>>>> of
>>>>> meat and cats are as well.
>>>>
>>>> Not relevant to Trump's lies and his cult excusing it.
>>>
>>> So why did you bring it up?
>>
>> Because of Trump's lies about it.
>
> Lies about what? dogs and cats?

Yes. About immigrants eating dogs and cats.
>
> Seems to me YOU brought up that topic.

You never watched the debate.
>
> Let me guess.. this is the point your realize you painted yourself in to a
> corner and are desperately hoping I will allow you to change the subject.

Your guess is wrong. If anything I am laughing about how you can be so
ignorant of Trump you did not hear of his lies about immigrants eating dogs
and cats.
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> However, that has nothing to do with the issue.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed.
>>>
>>> So again, why did you bring it up?
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> <crickets>

For obvious reasons that go over your head, of course. You did not watch the
debate and are completely ignorant of what Trump said. He has so many lies you
cannot keep track of them.

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