-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in
news:vjcv1e$1lg1b$5@dont-email.me:

> Problem is that immigrants who crossed the border without papers fall
> into the "Illegal" column above, so they'll get deported before they
> can apply to become guest workers.
>
Not only that, but because they entered without papers they cannot apply
for a work visa even if available.

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b184$3$3620709
$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <vjc3b8$1i4rt$4@dont-email.me>,
> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>
>> On 12/11/24 7:19 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>> > {...}
>> >>>> And do note that Musk is into Bitcoin - specifically DOGE
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ============
>> >>>> Elon Musk?s Bitcoin Holdings Surge to $2 Billion as Asset Crosses
>> >>>> $100,000
>> >>>> ...>>>
>> >>> So? He's rich and can do that shit.
>>
>>
>> If crypto does happen, what's your response if Musk convinces Trump to
>> put the money into DOGEcoin instead of the much more popular BITcoin?
>> Because not all cyrpto is fungible... that's what's in it for Musk.
>
> I don't really care as long as there is gas in my tank and food on my
> table.
===========
People voted for deportations but also cheap groceries, and you can�t
have both. If you�re worried about groceries, hoo boy. Fifteen percent of
construction workers, half of food workers, and our annual GDP will be
tits-up, you morons. Do you like food? Grab your ankles! Many are
essential workers, what part of essential don�t you understand? And they
also spend money and pay taxes, dumbass.

Baxter wrote:

>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>
>> There will be and at higher wages.
>
>higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until you
>can recruit and train those workers.

Not MUCH higher, because we can still allow immigration. Just not
avalanche of it that we've under the Biden administration.

You do know that regular people ultimately pay for the free health
care, housing, food, education, etc of all these illegals, right?

We need to cull the herd so that only the good ones can stay.

In article <675a098e$0$2385539$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:09:13 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> <6759ff7a$0$3620704$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
> > In article <6759fe38$0$3474736$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> > brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:01:48 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vjcujs$1lg1b$3@dont-email.me>:
> >>
> >>> On 12/11/24 3:07 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>> In article <vjcqqq$1lg1b$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 12/11/24 10:42 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> >>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> >>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
> >>>>>>> within
> >>>>>>>>> the GOP:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> [quote]
> >>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals who
> >>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already part of
> >>>>>>>>> the labor force."
> >>>>>>>>> [/quote]
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
> >>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still are.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -highhorse.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sure, there's always going to be *some* uptake, but the low unemployment
> >>>>> rate means that the current labor shortage will be made worse.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> citizens who would opt for those jobs, but the low unemployment rate
> >>>>> shows that many jobs will have to go unfilled, which means that employer
> >>>>> competition would increase those jobs' wages.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Of course, those higher business costs would be passed along by the
> >>>>> employers as higher product costs .. which causes higher inflation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So much for keeping his campaign promise to lower retail prices.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -hh
> >>>>
> >>>> The ones working now just need work visas and they can continue working.
> >>>
> >>> They won't be able to, because the GOP believes that to issue work visas
> >>> would be considered to be "Amnesty" ... plus they'll be deported first.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -hh
> >>
> >> And they will accuse the people of eating the dogs and cats.
> >
> > Snit never has anything so he chimes in with media bullshit that
> > everyone else has forgotten.
>
> The media forced Trump to say that. Riiiiiiight. Idiot.

Old news.

In article <vjd0un$1nulf$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
> > In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> > says...
> >>
> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
> >> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>
> >> > In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
> >> > bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
> >> >>
> >> >> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> >> >> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
> >> >>
> >> >> > -hh wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
> >> >> >>skills
> >> >> within
> >> >> >>the GOP:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>[quote]
> >> >> >>Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
> >> >> >>who are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
> >> >> >>part
> >> of
> >> >> >>the labor force."
> >> >> >>[/quote]
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
> >> >> > Witness. Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and
> >> >> > still are.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
> >> highhorse.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > His response will be deleted, unread.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
> >> >
> >> > There will be and at higher wages.
> >> >
> >>
> >> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
> >> you can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some have
> >> tried those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
> >
> > Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no problem.
> > See how that works?
> >
>
> They refuse to issue work visas. There are virtually NO legal way to
> immigate to the US. People have been on waiting lists for decades.

Bullshit. It can be done from their own country. I lived on the border
in AZ for many years. I know how it works.

In article <675a0906$3$2755$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Dec 11, 2024 at 2:41:43 PM MST, "Baxter" wrote
> <vjd0un$1nulf$2@dont-email.me>:
>
> > Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> > news:6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >
> >> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> >> says...
> >>>
> >>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
> >>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>
> >>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
> >>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> >>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
> >>>>>>> skills
> >>>>> within
> >>>>>>> the GOP:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [quote]
> >>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
> >>>>>>> who are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
> >>>>>>> part
> >>> of
> >>>>>>> the labor force."
> >>>>>>> [/quote]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
> >>>>>> Witness. Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and
> >>>>>> still are.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
> >>> highhorse.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
> >>>>
> >>>> There will be and at higher wages.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
> >>> you can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some have
> >>> tried those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
> >>
> >> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no problem.
> >> See how that works?
> >>
> >
> > They refuse to issue work visas. There are virtually NO legal way to
> > immigate to the US. People have been on waiting lists for decades.
>
> Unless you are Trump's wife. She broke immigration laws in 1996 and none of
> his supporters care.

Old news, moving along now.

In article <vjcv1e$1lg1b$5@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>
> On 12/11/24 3:17 PM, Scout wrote:
> >
> >
> > "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
> > news:vjcple$1mhot$2@dont-email.me...
> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b184$3$3620709
> >> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>
> >>> In article <vjc3b8$1i4rt$4@dont-email.me>,
> >>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12/11/24 7:19 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>> > {...}
> >>>> >>>> And do note that Musk is into Bitcoin - specifically DOGE
> >>>> >>>>
> >>>> >>>> ============
> >>>> >>>> Elon Musk?s Bitcoin Holdings Surge to $2 Billion as Asset Crosses
> >>>> >>>> $100,000
> >>>> >>>> ...>>>
> >>>> >>> So? He's rich and can do that shit.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> If crypto does happen, what's your response if Musk convinces Trump to
> >>>> put the money into DOGEcoin instead of the much more popular BITcoin?
> >>>> Because not all cyrpto is fungible... that's what's in it for Musk.
> >>>
> >>> I don't really care as long as there is gas in my tank and food on my
> >>> table.
>
> There won't be, which is the point.

Oh there will be. Gas has already gone down since he won.
>
> >> ===========
> >> People voted for deportations but also cheap groceries, and you can't
> >> have both.
> >
> > Sure we can. Deport the criminals, support the guest workers.
> >
> > Illegal vs legal.
>
> Problem is that immigrants who crossed the border without papers fall
> into the "Illegal" column above, so they'll get deported before they can
> apply to become guest workers.

Should have thought of that before they jumped the fence.
>
> > Disobeying the law vs Obeying the law
>
> too late = water under the bridge.

So is the left in the whitehouse.
>
> And the GOP opposes any forgiveness of immigration violations, labeling
> it "Amnesty". Doesn't matter to them today that Ronald Reagan did it.

You are wrong. You can't back that up. I know how the border works.
Don't bother responding. Moron.
>
>
> -hh

In article <vjd1c8$1nulf$4@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:6759ee9a$5$3830$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
> > In article <vjcple$1mhot$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> > says...
> >>
> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b184$3$3620709
> >> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>
> >> > In article <vjc3b8$1i4rt$4@dont-email.me>,
> >> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >> >>
> >> >> On 12/11/24 7:19 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >> >> > {...}
> >> >> >>>> And do note that Musk is into Bitcoin - specifically DOGE
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> ============
> >> >> >>>> Elon Musk?s Bitcoin Holdings Surge to $2 Billion as Asset
> >> >> >>>> Crosses $100,000
> >> >> >>>> ...>>>
> >> >> >>> So? He's rich and can do that shit.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> If crypto does happen, what's your response if Musk convinces
> >> >> Trump to put the money into DOGEcoin instead of the much more
> >> >> popular BITcoin? Because not all cyrpto is fungible... that's
> >> >> what's in it for Musk.
> >> >
> >> > I don't really care as long as there is gas in my tank and food on
> >> > my table.
> >> ===========
> >> People voted for deportations but also cheap groceries, and you can?t
> >> have both. If you?re worried about groceries, hoo boy. Fifteen
> >> percent of construction workers, half of food workers, and our annual
> >> GDP will be tits-up, you morons. Do you like food? Grab your ankles!
> >> Many are essential workers, what part of essential don?t you
> >> understand? And they also spend money and pay taxes, dumbass.
> >
> > As long as they have work visas.
> >
> They can't get work visas that don't exist.

They do exist. Damn yer really a sore loser.

In article <vjd1r0$1nulf$7@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in
> news:vjcv1e$1lg1b$5@dont-email.me:
>
>
> > Problem is that immigrants who crossed the border without papers fall
> > into the "Illegal" column above, so they'll get deported before they
> > can apply to become guest workers.
> >
> Not only that, but because they entered without papers they cannot apply
> for a work visa even if available.

Translation: They jumped the fence illegally and are paying the
consequences.

On 12/11/24 4:06 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <vjctf9$1n9f5$1@dont-email.me>,
> me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net says...
>>
>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>> news:vjcrdv$1ljtr$2@dont-email.me...
>>> On 12/11/24 11:45 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>> In article <vjcbqe$1jlje$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:vjc0ob$1hg0g$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/10/24 1:15 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:vj9npr$113ra$5@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>>> Trump Country USA <cap@gmail.con> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:20241210.074626.cbf1ef30 @remailer.frell.eu.org:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In <bRO5P.27504$xPr6.24493@fx10.iad> Rudy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/8/2024 7:08 AM, John Smyth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 'The damage Biden has done'
>>>>>>>>>> None.
>>>>>>>>> You don't know. You haven't any money or savings to steal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> tRump and the Repugs have already outlined their plan to steal
>>>>>>>> billion$ of
>>>>>>>> your tax money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well that's an improvement over the Trillions Biden and the Democrats
>>>>>>> stole.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That was the 2017 TCJA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Scut thinks Biden stole Trillion$ ?!!!! What a crock!
>>>>>
>>>>> Biden and his cabint is worth maybe $200M, while tRump and his cabinet
>>>>> is
>>>>> looking over $300 Billion.
>>>>
>>>> Trumps own money, not ours.
>>>>>
>>>>> And where did those "$Trillions" go? Well a lot of it went to Red
>>>>> States
>>>>> to build factories, roads, bridges and more. None of it went into his
>>>>> pockets.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How did Kamala have a billion dollars for a one month campaign and end
>>>> up 20 million in the hole? Where did that money go?
>>>
>>> It was spent on election advertising, mostly in the 7 swing states.
>>>
>>> It gets reported to the FEC; you can look up the details here:
>>> <https://www.fec.gov/data/>
>>>
>>> -hh
>>
>> Well, she also gave away massive amounts, which frankly I think that should
>> be made illegal as contributor donated to HER campaign.. not to these other
>> ones.
>>
>> https://www.businessinsider.com/kamala-harris-giving-25-million-other-campaigns-2024-9
>>
>> https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-money-black-groups-voters-swing-states-1972084
>>
>> https://us.fundsforngos.org/news/kamala-harris-campaign-donations-to-nonprofits-raise-eyebrows/
>>
>> https://nypost.com/2024/11/17/us-news/harris-campaign-paid-oprah-winfreys-production-company-nearly-2-5-million/
>>
>> Seems to me if she hadn't give away all that money.. she wouldn't have ended
>> up in debt.
>>
>>
>
> and how much did she have to pay the crappy "stars" she used to draw a
> crowd?

Too lazy to read what was already posted?

-hh

On 12/11/24 4:08 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <vjcujs$1lg1b$3@dont-email.me>,
> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>
>> On 12/11/24 3:07 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <vjcqqq$1lg1b$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 12/11/24 10:42 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals who
>>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already part of
>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
>>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -highhorse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>
>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>
>>>> Sure, there's always going to be *some* uptake, but the low unemployment
>>>> rate means that the current labor shortage will be made worse.
>>>>
>>>> citizens who would opt for those jobs, but the low unemployment rate
>>>> shows that many jobs will have to go unfilled, which means that employer
>>>> competition would increase those jobs' wages.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, those higher business costs would be passed along by the
>>>> employers as higher product costs .. which causes higher inflation.
>>>>
>>>> So much for keeping his campaign promise to lower retail prices.
>>>>
>>>> -hh
>>>
>>> The ones working now just need work visas and they can continue working.
>>
>> They won't be able to, because the GOP believes that to issue work visas
>> would be considered to be "Amnesty" ... plus they'll be deported first.
>>
>>
> There are already people on work visas. Those are legal and won't be
> deported.

Some, but not millions. Now there are the refugee/asylum seekers, but
their work papers are temporary; only valid while their case is pending.
Because ~70% of them lose their case*, most be deported.

* - denial rate under Trump hit nearly 90% in 2019 (& 90%+ pre-Covid)

-hh

-hh

On 12/11/24 4:11 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <vjcuop$1lg1b$4@dont-email.me>,
> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>
>> On 12/11/24 3:11 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <vjcr99$1ljtr$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 12/11/24 2:58 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>> In article <vjcple$1mhot$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b184$3$3620709
>>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <vjc3b8$1i4rt$4@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/11/24 7:19 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>>>> {...}
>>>>>>>>>>>> And do note that Musk is into Bitcoin - specifically DOGE
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ============
>>>>>>>>>>>> Elon Musk?s Bitcoin Holdings Surge to $2 Billion as Asset Crosses
>>>>>>>>>>>> $100,000
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So? He's rich and can do that shit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If crypto does happen, what's your response if Musk convinces Trump to
>>>>>>>> put the money into DOGEcoin instead of the much more popular BITcoin?
>>>>>>>> Because not all cyrpto is fungible... that's what's in it for Musk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't really care as long as there is gas in my tank and food on my
>>>>>>> table.
>>>>>> ===========
>>>>>> People voted for deportations but also cheap groceries, and you can?t
>>>>>> have both. If you?re worried about groceries, hoo boy. Fifteen percent of
>>>>>> construction workers, half of food workers, and our annual GDP will be
>>>>>> tits-up, you morons. Do you like food? Grab your ankles! Many are
>>>>>> essential workers, what part of essential don?t you understand? And they
>>>>>> also spend money and pay taxes, dumbass.
>>>>>
>>>>> As long as they have work visas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> GOP claims that that is "Amnesty" and has been blocking it.
>>>> Next!
>>>>
>>> I don't care. It's legal and it works.
>>
>> So just how is that legislation going to be passed in a GOP triple
>> majority?
>>
>>
>> -hh
>
> Work visas are already a thing.

Are there 13 million of them?
Nope. The US issues ~140,000 visas/year.

So then ... where's the other 99% going to be coming from?

-hh

On 12/11/24 6:33 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <vjd0un$1nulf$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> says...
>>
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> news:6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>>> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
>>>>>>>> skills
>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
>>>>>>>> who are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>>>>>>> part
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
>>>>>>> Witness. Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and
>>>>>>> still are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
>>>> highhorse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>
>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
>>>> you can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some have
>>>> tried those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
>>>
>>> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no problem.
>>> See how that works?
>>>
>>
>> They refuse to issue work visas. There are virtually NO legal way to
>> immigate to the US. People have been on waiting lists for decades.
>
> Bullshit. It can be done from their own country. I lived on the border
> in AZ for many years. I know how it works.

In article <vjd17r$1nulf$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in news:6759ee2e$2$3068683
> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
> > On Dec 11, 2024 at 12:51:40 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> > <6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >
> >> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> >> says...
> >>>
> >>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
> >>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>
> >>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
> _spamblock@baxcode.com
> >>>> says...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> >>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
> >>>>> within
> >>>>>>> the GOP:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [quote]
> >>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
> who
> >>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
> part
> >>> of
> >>>>>>> the labor force."
> >>>>>>> [/quote]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
> >>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still are.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
> >>> highhorse.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
> >>>>
> >>>> There will be and at higher wages.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
> you
> >>> can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some have
> tried
> >>> those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
> >>
> >> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no problem.
> >> See how that works?
> >
> > I do. You don't.
> >
> ==============
> Why Legal Immigration Is Nearly Impossible
>
> America traditionally had few immigration restrictions, but since the
> 1920s, the law has banned most aspiring immigrants. Today, fewer than 1
> percent of people who want to move permanently to the United States can
> do so legally. Immigrants cannot simply get an exception to immigrate any
> more than restaurateurs in the 1920s could simply get an exception to
> sell alcohol.
>
> https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/why-legal-immigration-nearly-
> impossible#

Bullshit. Legal immigration has been working.

In article <vjd1jf$1nulf$5@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
says...
>
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:6759f0e6$3$2783$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
> > In article <vjcqqq$1lg1b$1@dont-email.me>,
> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>
> >> On 12/11/24 10:42 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >> > In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
> >> > bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
> >> >>
> >> >> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> >> >> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
> >> >>
> >> >>> -hh wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
> >> >>>> skills
> >> >> within
> >> >>>> the GOP:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> [quote]
> >> >>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
> >> >>>> who are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
> >> >>>> part of the labor force."
> >> >>>> [/quote]
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
> >> >>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still
> >> >>> are.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from
> >> >>> -highhorse.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> His response will be deleted, unread.
> >> >>
> >> >> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
> >> >
> >> > There will be and at higher wages.
> >>
> >> Sure, there's always going to be *some* uptake, but the low
> >> unemployment rate means that the current labor shortage will be made
> >> worse.
> >>
> >> citizens who would opt for those jobs, but the low unemployment rate
> >> shows that many jobs will have to go unfilled, which means that
> >> employer competition would increase those jobs' wages.
> >>
> >> Of course, those higher business costs would be passed along by the
> >> employers as higher product costs .. which causes higher inflation.
> >>
> >> So much for keeping his campaign promise to lower retail prices.
> >>
> >> -hh
> >
> > The ones working now just need work visas and they can continue
> > working.
> >
>
> Where are they going to get these non-existand work visas?

You apply for them just like you do to enter legally.
>
> ==============
> Many people wonder why all immigrants do not just come to the United
> States legally or simply apply for citizenship while living here without
> authorization. These suggestions miss the point: There is no line
> available for current undocumented immigrants and the ?regular channels?
> are largely not available to prospective immigrants who end up entering
> the country through unauthorized channels. Even though more than 80
> percent of undocumented immigrants have lived in the United States for
> over 10 years, many could live out the rest of their lives without any
> opportunity to become legal residents of this country.
>
> No ?line? is available for the vast majority of undocumented immigrants.
>
> Immigration to the United States on a temporary or permanent basis is
> generally limited to three different routes: employment, family
> reunification, or humanitarian protection. Each of these legal avenues is
> highly regulated and subject to numerical limitations and eligibility
> requirements. As a result, most undocumented immigrants do not have the
> necessary family or employment relationships and often cannot access
> humanitarian protection, such as refugee or asylum status. This means
> that no matter how long they have been in the United States, most
> undocumented immigrants have no way of achieving legal status. Even those
> who pay taxes, work hard, and contribute to their communities have no way
> to ?get in line? unless Congress creates a new pathway to legal status.
>
> https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/why-don%E2%80%99t-
> they-just-get-line

On 12/11/24 6:33 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <vjd0un$1nulf$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> says...
>>
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> news:6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>>> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
>>>>>>>> skills
>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>> the GOP:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [quote]
>>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
>>>>>>>> who are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>>>>>>>> part
>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the labor force."
>>>>>>>> [/quote]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
>>>>>>> Witness. Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and
>>>>>>> still are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
>>>> highhorse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>>>
>>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
>>>> you can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some have
>>>> tried those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
>>>
>>> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no problem.
>>> See how that works?
>>>
>>
>> They refuse to issue work visas. There are virtually NO legal way to
>> immigate to the US. People have been on waiting lists for decades.
>
> Bullshit. It can be done from their own country. I lived on the border
> in AZ for many years. I know how it works.

So much depends on what category, which type of permit and with which
restrictions...and they all have quotas.

For example, for someone who's applying for a green card based on just
being an adult sibling of a US Citizen already living here, it falls
into a country quota set in the 1964 immigration act, and while the
general que is over a decade long, some countries such as Mexico are
even longer. To whit:

[quote]
How Long Does It Take Siblings of U.S. Citizens To Get a Green Card?
The process usually takes 14-16 years for siblings of U.S. citizens.

However, it depends on your home country:

For citizens of India, the process can take 16+ years
For citizens of Mexico, 20+ years
For citizens of the Philippines, 24+ years
[/quote]

<https://www.immigrationhelp.org/learning-center/green-card-processing-times>

And as you should know, a green card is the pragmatic minimum for
planning residency, because work permits are quite temporary.

-hh

In article <vjde57$1q2jn$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>
> On 12/11/24 4:08 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <vjcujs$1lg1b$3@dont-email.me>,
> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>
> >> On 12/11/24 3:07 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>> In article <vjcqqq$1lg1b$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12/11/24 10:42 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> >>>>> says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> >>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking skills
> >>>>>> within
> >>>>>>>> the GOP:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> [quote]
> >>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals who
> >>>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already part of
> >>>>>>>> the labor force."
> >>>>>>>> [/quote]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from Witness.
> >>>>>>> Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and still are.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -highhorse.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sure, there's always going to be *some* uptake, but the low unemployment
> >>>> rate means that the current labor shortage will be made worse.
> >>>>
> >>>> citizens who would opt for those jobs, but the low unemployment rate
> >>>> shows that many jobs will have to go unfilled, which means that employer
> >>>> competition would increase those jobs' wages.
> >>>>
> >>>> Of course, those higher business costs would be passed along by the
> >>>> employers as higher product costs .. which causes higher inflation.
> >>>>
> >>>> So much for keeping his campaign promise to lower retail prices.
> >>>>
> >>>> -hh
> >>>
> >>> The ones working now just need work visas and they can continue working.
> >>
> >> They won't be able to, because the GOP believes that to issue work visas
> >> would be considered to be "Amnesty" ... plus they'll be deported first.
> >>
> >>
> > There are already people on work visas. Those are legal and won't be
> > deported.
>
> Some, but not millions.

Millions not needed.
>
> -hh

In article <vjddi5$1q2jn$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>
> On 12/11/24 4:06 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <vjctf9$1n9f5$1@dont-email.me>,
> > me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net says...
> >>
> >> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> >> news:vjcrdv$1ljtr$2@dont-email.me...
> >>> On 12/11/24 11:45 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>> In article <vjcbqe$1jlje$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> >>>> says...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in
> >>>>> news:vjc0ob$1hg0g$1@dont-email.me:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 12/10/24 1:15 PM, Scout wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>> news:vj9npr$113ra$5@dont-email.me...
> >>>>>>>> Trump Country USA <cap@gmail.con> wrote in
> >>>>>>>> news:20241210.074626.cbf1ef30 @remailer.frell.eu.org:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In <bRO5P.27504$xPr6.24493@fx10.iad> Rudy wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 12/8/2024 7:08 AM, John Smyth wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> 'The damage Biden has done'
> >>>>>>>>>> None.
> >>>>>>>>> You don't know. You haven't any money or savings to steal.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> tRump and the Repugs have already outlined their plan to steal
> >>>>>>>> billion$ of
> >>>>>>>> your tax money.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Well that's an improvement over the Trillions Biden and the Democrats
> >>>>>>> stole.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That was the 2017 TCJA.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Scut thinks Biden stole Trillion$ ?!!!! What a crock!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Biden and his cabint is worth maybe $200M, while tRump and his cabinet
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> looking over $300 Billion.
> >>>>
> >>>> Trumps own money, not ours.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And where did those "$Trillions" go? Well a lot of it went to Red
> >>>>> States
> >>>>> to build factories, roads, bridges and more. None of it went into his
> >>>>> pockets.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> How did Kamala have a billion dollars for a one month campaign and end
> >>>> up 20 million in the hole? Where did that money go?
> >>>
> >>> It was spent on election advertising, mostly in the 7 swing states.
> >>>
> >>> It gets reported to the FEC; you can look up the details here:
> >>> <https://www.fec.gov/data/>
> >>>
> >>> -hh
> >>
> >> Well, she also gave away massive amounts, which frankly I think that should
> >> be made illegal as contributor donated to HER campaign.. not to these other
> >> ones.
> >>
> >> https://www.businessinsider.com/kamala-harris-giving-25-million-other-campaigns-2024-9
> >>
> >> https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-money-black-groups-voters-swing-states-1972084
> >>
> >> https://us.fundsforngos.org/news/kamala-harris-campaign-donations-to-nonprofits-raise-eyebrows/
> >>
> >> https://nypost.com/2024/11/17/us-news/harris-campaign-paid-oprah-winfreys-production-company-nearly-2-5-million/
> >>
> >> Seems to me if she hadn't give away all that money.. she wouldn't have ended
> >> up in debt.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > and how much did she have to pay the crappy "stars" she used to draw a
> > crowd?
>
>
> Too lazy to read what was already posted?
>
>
> -hh

Who's talking to you?

In article <vjdecb$1qdi9$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>
> On 12/11/24 4:11 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <vjcuop$1lg1b$4@dont-email.me>,
> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>
> >> On 12/11/24 3:11 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>> In article <vjcr99$1ljtr$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12/11/24 2:58 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>> In article <vjcple$1mhot$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> >>>>> says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b184$3$3620709
> >>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In article <vjc3b8$1i4rt$4@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 12/11/24 7:19 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> {...}
> >>>>>>>>>>>> And do note that Musk is into Bitcoin - specifically DOGE
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ============
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Elon Musk?s Bitcoin Holdings Surge to $2 Billion as Asset Crosses
> >>>>>>>>>>>> $100,000
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ...>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> So? He's rich and can do that shit.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If crypto does happen, what's your response if Musk convinces Trump to
> >>>>>>>> put the money into DOGEcoin instead of the much more popular BITcoin?
> >>>>>>>> Because not all cyrpto is fungible... that's what's in it for Musk.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I don't really care as long as there is gas in my tank and food on my
> >>>>>>> table.
> >>>>>> ===========
> >>>>>> People voted for deportations but also cheap groceries, and you can?t
> >>>>>> have both. If you?re worried about groceries, hoo boy. Fifteen percent of
> >>>>>> construction workers, half of food workers, and our annual GDP will be
> >>>>>> tits-up, you morons. Do you like food? Grab your ankles! Many are
> >>>>>> essential workers, what part of essential don?t you understand? And they
> >>>>>> also spend money and pay taxes, dumbass.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As long as they have work visas.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> GOP claims that that is "Amnesty" and has been blocking it.
> >>>> Next!
> >>>>
> >>> I don't care. It's legal and it works.
> >>
> >> So just how is that legislation going to be passed in a GOP triple
> >> majority?
> >>
> >>
> >> -hh
> >
> > Work visas are already a thing.
>
> Are there 13 million of them?
> Nope. The US issues ~140,000 visas/year.
>
> So then ... where's the other 99% going to be coming from?

WTF are you even trying to say?
>
>
> -hh

On 12/11/24 7:34 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <vjcv1e$1lg1b$5@dont-email.me>,
> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>
>> On 12/11/24 3:17 PM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>>> news:vjcple$1mhot$2@dont-email.me...
>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b184$3$3620709
>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <vjc3b8$1i4rt$4@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/11/24 7:19 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>>>> {...}
>>>>>>>>>> And do note that Musk is into Bitcoin - specifically DOGE
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ============
>>>>>>>>>> Elon Musk?s Bitcoin Holdings Surge to $2 Billion as Asset Crosses
>>>>>>>>>> $100,000
>>>>>>>>>> ...>>>
>>>>>>>>> So? He's rich and can do that shit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If crypto does happen, what's your response if Musk convinces Trump to
>>>>>> put the money into DOGEcoin instead of the much more popular BITcoin?
>>>>>> Because not all cyrpto is fungible... that's what's in it for Musk.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't really care as long as there is gas in my tank and food on my
>>>>> table.
>>
>> There won't be, which is the point.
>
> Oh there will be. Gas has already gone down since he won.

Biden's still in charge. Latest market news on crude price declines is
because demand in China is softening: world markets FYI.

>>>> ===========
>>>> People voted for deportations but also cheap groceries, and you can't
>>>> have both.
>>>
>>> Sure we can. Deport the criminals, support the guest workers.
>>>
>>> Illegal vs legal.
>>
>> Problem is that immigrants who crossed the border without papers fall
>> into the "Illegal" column above, so they'll get deported before they can
>> apply to become guest workers.
>
>
> Should have thought of that before they jumped the fence.

And applied for amnesty, which makes it a fully legal immigration.

>>> Disobeying the law vs Obeying the law
>>
>> too late = water under the bridge.
>
> So is the left in the whitehouse.

?

>> And the GOP opposes any forgiveness of immigration violations, labeling
>> it "Amnesty". Doesn't matter to them today that Ronald Reagan did it.
>
> You are wrong. You can't back that up. I know how the border works.
> Don't bother responding. Moron.

Well, it seems like you might know a little about the border ...
.....but not diddly squat about actual US Law.

Case in point:

[quote]

‘Backdoor amnesty’: 14 GOP senators file bill to stop Biden’s immigrant
parole program
by: Sandra Sanchez
Posted: Sep 26, 2024 / 03:41 PM CDT
Updated: Sep 26, 2024 / 03:54 PM CDT

McALLEN, Texas (Border Report) — Fourteen Republican senators, including
both from Texas, have filed legislation to block a key provision of the
Biden administration’s Keeping Families Together program, which provides
a pathway to citizenship for undocumented spouses and stepchildren of
U.S. citizens.

[/quote]

<https://www.borderreport.com/immigration/backdoor-amnesty-14-gop-senators-file-bill-to-stop-bidens-immigrant-parole-program/>

-hh

In article <vjdgnd$1qdi9$3@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>
> On 12/11/24 6:33 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <vjd0un$1nulf$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> > says...
> >>
> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >> news:6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>
> >>> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> >>> says...
> >>>>
> >>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b2d9$8$1895507
> >>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>
> >>>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> >>>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
> >>>>>>>> skills
> >>>>>> within
> >>>>>>>> the GOP:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> [quote]
> >>>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass deportations:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus illegals
> >>>>>>>> who are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
> >>>>>>>> part
> >>>> of
> >>>>>>>> the labor force."
> >>>>>>>> [/quote]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
> >>>>>>> Witness. Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market, and
> >>>>>>> still are.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
> >>>> highhorse.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> There will be and at higher wages.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
> >>>> you can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some have
> >>>> tried those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
> >>>
> >>> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no problem.
> >>> See how that works?
> >>>
> >>
> >> They refuse to issue work visas. There are virtually NO legal way to
> >> immigate to the US. People have been on waiting lists for decades.
> >
> > Bullshit. It can be done from their own country. I lived on the border
> > in AZ for many years. I know how it works.
>
> So much depends on what category, which type of permit and with which
> restrictions...and they all have quotas.
>
> For example, for someone who's applying for a green card based on just
> being an adult sibling of a US Citizen already living here, it falls
> into a country quota set in the 1964 immigration act, and while the
> general que is over a decade long, some countries such as Mexico are
> even longer. To whit:
>
> [quote]
> How Long Does It Take Siblings of U.S. Citizens To Get a Green Card?
> The process usually takes 14-16 years for siblings of U.S. citizens.
>
> However, it depends on your home country:
>
> For citizens of India, the process can take 16+ years
> For citizens of Mexico, 20+ years
> For citizens of the Philippines, 24+ years
> [/quote]
>
> <https://www.immigrationhelp.org/learning-center/green-card-processing-times>
>
> And as you should know, a green card is the pragmatic minimum for
> planning residency, because work permits are quite temporary.
>
>
So? Just follow the law and allow yourself to be vetted then you are
welcome.

In article <vjdh1t$1qdi9$4@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>
> On 12/11/24 7:34 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <vjcv1e$1lg1b$5@dont-email.me>,
> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>
> >> On 12/11/24 3:17 PM, Scout wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:vjcple$1mhot$2@dont-email.me...
> >>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b184$3$3620709
> >>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>
> >>>>> In article <vjc3b8$1i4rt$4@dont-email.me>,
> >>>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 12/11/24 7:19 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>>>> {...}
> >>>>>>>>>> And do note that Musk is into Bitcoin - specifically DOGE
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ============
> >>>>>>>>>> Elon Musk?s Bitcoin Holdings Surge to $2 Billion as Asset Crosses
> >>>>>>>>>> $100,000
> >>>>>>>>>> ...>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So? He's rich and can do that shit.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If crypto does happen, what's your response if Musk convinces Trump to
> >>>>>> put the money into DOGEcoin instead of the much more popular BITcoin?
> >>>>>> Because not all cyrpto is fungible... that's what's in it for Musk.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't really care as long as there is gas in my tank and food on my
> >>>>> table.
> >>
> >> There won't be, which is the point.
> >
> > Oh there will be. Gas has already gone down since he won.
>
> Biden's still in charge. Latest market news on crude price declines is
> because demand in China is softening: world markets FYI.
>
>
> >>>> ===========
> >>>> People voted for deportations but also cheap groceries, and you can't
> >>>> have both.
> >>>
> >>> Sure we can. Deport the criminals, support the guest workers.
> >>>
> >>> Illegal vs legal.
> >>
> >> Problem is that immigrants who crossed the border without papers fall
> >> into the "Illegal" column above, so they'll get deported before they can
> >> apply to become guest workers.
> >
> >
> > Should have thought of that before they jumped the fence.
>
> And applied for amnesty, which makes it a fully legal immigration.

They trespassed.
>
>
>
> >>> Disobeying the law vs Obeying the law
> >>
> >> too late = water under the bridge.
> >
> > So is the left in the whitehouse.
>
> ?
>
> >> And the GOP opposes any forgiveness of immigration violations, labeling
> >> it "Amnesty". Doesn't matter to them today that Ronald Reagan did it.
> >
> > You are wrong. You can't back that up. I know how the border works.
> > Don't bother responding. Moron.
>
>
> Well, it seems like you might know a little about the border ...
> ....but not diddly squat about actual US Law.
>
> Case in point:
>
> [quote]
>
> ?Backdoor amnesty?: 14 GOP senators file bill to stop Biden?s immigrant
> parole program
> by: Sandra Sanchez
> Posted: Sep 26, 2024 / 03:41 PM CDT
> Updated: Sep 26, 2024 / 03:54 PM CDT
>
>
> McALLEN, Texas (Border Report) ? Fourteen Republican senators, including
> both from Texas, have filed legislation to block a key provision of the
> Biden administration?s Keeping Families Together program, which provides
> a pathway to citizenship for undocumented spouses and stepchildren of
> U.S. citizens.
>
> [/quote]
>
> <https://www.borderreport.com/immigration/backdoor-amnesty-14-gop-senators-file-bill-to-stop-bidens-immigrant-parole-program/>
>
> -hh

So? Just follow the rules and don't jump the fence. Why is that so
hard for you tards?

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
news:2n4kljdva60godn64186fj1mlt2fjkk98p@4ax.com:

> Baxter wrote:
>
>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>>>
>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>>
>>higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until you
>>can recruit and train those workers.
>
> Not MUCH higher, because we can still allow immigration. Just not
> avalanche of it that we've under the Biden administration.
>
Not enough.

=============
For example, the H-2B visa program caps the number of workers at 66,000
workers per year, split between the first and second halves of the fiscal
year. In FY 2023, the total demand for H-2B workers through the Department
of Labor certification process exceeded 215,000.

==========

H3-visa is agricultural workers.

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:675a214d$0$3620711
$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <vjd0un$1nulf$2@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> says...
>>
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> news:6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>> > In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>, bax02
_spamblock@baxcode.com
>> > says...
>> >>
>> >> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:6759b2d9$8
$1895507
>> >> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>> >>
>> >> > In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>,
>> >> > bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>> >> >> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > -hh wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
>> >> >> >>skills
>> >> >> within
>> >> >> >>the GOP:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>[quote]
>> >> >> >>Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass
deportations:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus
illegals
>> >> >> >>who are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>> >> >> >>part
>> >> of
>> >> >> >>the labor force."
>> >> >> >>[/quote]
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
>> >> >> > Witness. Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market,
and
>> >> >> > still are.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
>> >> highhorse.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > His response will be deleted, unread.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>> >> >
>> >> > There will be and at higher wages.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves until
>> >> you can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some
have
>> >> tried those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
>> >
>> > Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no
problem.
>> > See how that works?
>> >
>>
>> They refuse to issue work visas. There are virtually NO legal way to
>> immigate to the US. People have been on waiting lists for decades.
>
> Bullshit. It can be done from their own country. I lived on the border
> in AZ for many years. I know how it works.
>

Prove it! You won't because you're a lying Ruski bot

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:675a2bb7$0$3474736$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <vjd17r$1nulf$3@dont-email.me>, bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com
> says...
>>
>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in news:6759ee2e$2$3068683
>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>> > On Dec 11, 2024 at 12:51:40⤯PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>> > <6759ed13$13$3828$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>> >
>> >> In article <vjcps6$1mhot$3@dont-email.me>,
>> >> bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com says...
>> >>>
>> >>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> >>> news:6759b2d9$8$1895507 $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>> >>>
>> >>>> In article <vjcbbm$1jlje$2@dont-email.me>, bax02
>> _spamblock@baxcode.com
>> >>>> says...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>> >>>>> news:p27jlj5kt9q7d5evijc2dqef3rf8lnhbba@4ax.com:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> -hh wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> BTW, here's another example of a lack of critical thinking
>> >>>>>>> skills
>> >>>>> within
>> >>>>>>> the GOP:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> [quote]
>> >>>>>>> Sen. Hawley spars with witness over impact of mass
>> >>>>>>> deportations:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Hawley: "Here's the Democrats' plan: take the 13M-plus
>> >>>>>>> illegals
>> who
>> >>>>>>> are here, taking jobs...flood[ing] the labor force..."
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Witness: "They can't flood the labor force if they're already
>> part
>> >>> of
>> >>>>>>> the labor force."
>> >>>>>>> [/quote]
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Only an idiot would think that's a winning rebuttal from
>> >>>>>> Witness. Millions of illegals have flooded the labor market,
>> >>>>>> and still are.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Another example of a lack of critical thinking skills from -
>> >>> highhorse.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> His response will be deleted, unread.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> There is no flood of citizens that want those jobs.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> There will be and at higher wages.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> higher, MUCH higher prices for your food. And empty shelves
>> >>> until
>> you
>> >>> can recruit and train those workers. From time to time some have
>> tried
>> >>> those jobs, they flat cannot keep up with those immigrants.
>> >>
>> >> Your racism aside, if they have work visas there should be no
>> >> problem. See how that works?
>> >
>> > I do. You don't.
>> >
>> ==============
>> Why Legal Immigration Is Nearly Impossible
>>
>> America traditionally had few immigration restrictions, but since the
>> 1920s, the law has banned most aspiring immigrants. Today, fewer than
>> 1 percent of people who want to move permanently to the United States
>> can do so legally. Immigrants cannot simply get an exception to
>> immigrate any more than restaurateurs in the 1920s could simply get
>> an exception to sell alcohol.
>>
>> https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/why-legal-immigration-nearly-
>> impossible#
>
> Bullshit. Legal immigration has been working.
>

Bullshit yourself. Cato is a conservative organization.