"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-12-10 15:33, Joel wrote:
>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-10, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> what is, "quirkily* finite." supposed to mean?
>>>
>>> Joel is sounding more and more like snit with every post he makes.
>>>
>>> 1. Morphs his claims.
>>> 2. Poor reading comprehension.
>>> 3. Poor vocabulary skills.
>>> 4. lack of logic skills.
>>> 5. Making claims he can't back up with specifics.
>>> etc.
>>
>>
>> Idiot.
>>
>
> For correctly identifying your MO?

More like that would be #6 on the list..

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-12-10 15:33, Joel wrote:
>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-10, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> what is, "quirkily* finite." supposed to mean?
>>>>
>>>> Joel is sounding more and more like snit with every post he makes.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Morphs his claims.
>>>> 2. Poor reading comprehension.
>>>> 3. Poor vocabulary skills.
>>>> 4. lack of logic skills.
>>>> 5. Making claims he can't back up with specifics.
>>>> etc.
>>>
>>> Idiot.
>>
>>For correctly identifying your MO?
>
>
> I've intelligently argued my positions.

I suppose if you have the IQ of a moron...

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-12-11 06:54, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-10 15:33, Joel wrote:
>>>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-12-10, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> what is, "quirkily* finite." supposed to mean?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joel is sounding more and more like snit with every post he makes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Morphs his claims.
>>>>>> 2. Poor reading comprehension.
>>>>>> 3. Poor vocabulary skills.
>>>>>> 4. lack of logic skills.
>>>>>> 5. Making claims he can't back up with specifics.
>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Idiot.
>>>>
>>>> For correctly identifying your MO?
>>>
>>> I've intelligently argued my positions.
>>
>>LOL!
>>
>>I think you might actually believe that.
>
>
> I'm a professional-grade analyst.

Yea, just like you are a computer 'elite'

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means"
Inigo Montoya - The Princess Bride:

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> I'm a professional-grade analyst.
>>
>>Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
>
>
> Coding Windows NT would've been the kind of project I'd have wanted to
> do, had I completed college. My path with substances was broader than
> with computers, though.

Well, that could explain your current cognitive issues...

After all as a self proclaimed computer "elite" you must have been doing
drugs by the boat load. Did the drug dealers offer you the bulk discount?

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-12-11 06:57, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> this latest troll [JWC allegedly]
>>
>>
>> That's merely bigotry.
> I see you've removed all context, but...
>
> ...how is it "bigotry"?
>
> You're aware that words have specific meanings...
>
>
> ...right?

'When I use a word,' Joel said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just
what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less. '
Apologies to Lewis Carroll.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> this latest troll [JWC allegedly]
>>>
>>> That's merely bigotry.
>>I see you've removed all context, but...
>>
>>...how is it "bigotry"?
>>
>>You're aware that words have specific meanings...
>>
>>
>>...right?
>
>
> You're calling me a troll as we discuss a rather deep subject.

You wish your trolling was a deep subject, but like everything else.. it's
rather shallow and full of BS.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> this latest troll [JWC allegedly]
>>>>>
>>>>> That's merely bigotry.
>>>> I see you've removed all context, but...
>>>>
>>>> ...how is it "bigotry"?
>>>>
>>>> You're aware that words have specific meanings...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...right?
>>>
>>> You're calling me a troll as we discuss a rather deep subject.
>>
>>Again, how is calling you a troll "bigotry"?
>>
>>An insult? Sure.
>>
>>"bigotry" is defined as:
>>
>>"obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction,
>>in particular prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their
>>membership of a particular group: the difficulties of combating
>>prejudice and bigotry."
>>
>>I'm not calling you a troll because you are a member of any group.
>
>
> You're making "troll" the "particular group", stereotyping me, a
> divine intellect, as such. I can be rough around the edges, but I say
> intelligent things.

According to WHOM????

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> I'm not hiding that I'm aware of the enemies, if that's what you're
>>> saying.
>>
>>The fact that you think of them AS "enemies" is what gives you away.
>
>
> Microsoft doesn't hire programmers who misunderstand the game, Apple
> does.

Ah, so that's your problem.. Apple wouldn't hire you because you
misunderstood the game.

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-12-10 11:27, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm not hiding that I'm aware of the enemies, if that's what you're
>>>> saying.
>>>
>>> The fact that you think of them AS "enemies" is what gives you away.
>>
>>
>> Microsoft doesn't hire programmers who misunderstand the game, Apple
>> does.
>
> Another statement intended to avoid actual meaning.

I don't now. Sounds like Joel is pissed because he couldn't get a job with
Apple because he doesn't understand what Apple is doing.

... but it could be he's just not much of a programmer either. I mean if his
coding skills are no better than his hardware skills, why would anyone hire
him?

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> I'm not hiding that I'm aware of the enemies, if that's what you're
>>>>> saying.
>>>>
>>>> The fact that you think of them AS "enemies" is what gives you away.
>>>
>>> Microsoft doesn't hire programmers who misunderstand the game, Apple
>>> does.
>>
>>Another statement intended to avoid actual meaning.
>
>
> Why doesn't Apple have its own kernel?

It does. UNX

Yet further evidence that Joel is just a poser.

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-12-10 12:15, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> I'm not hiding that I'm aware of the enemies, if that's what you're
>>>>>> saying.
>>>>>
>>>>> The fact that you think of them AS "enemies" is what gives you away.
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft doesn't hire programmers who misunderstand the game, Apple
>>>> does.
>>>
>>> Another statement intended to avoid actual meaning.
>>
>>
>> Why doesn't Apple have its own kernel?
>>
>
> Before you ask "why doesn't"...
>
> ...you should really ask "does".
>
> As in "Does Apple have its own kernel?"
>
> You should go out and answer that for yourself.

At this point.. it would be to little to late to recover from his assertions
as being a computer elite.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> Why doesn't Apple have its own kernel?
>>
>>Before you ask "why doesn't"...
>>
>>...you should really ask "does".
>>
>>As in "Does Apple have its own kernel?"
>>
>>You should go out and answer that for yourself.
>
>
> So Mach is entirely Apple's own creation?

Why are you asking him? Are you saying you don't know?

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Why doesn't Apple have its own kernel?
>>>>
>>>> Before you ask "why doesn't"...
>>>>
>>>> ...you should really ask "does".
>>>>
>>>> As in "Does Apple have its own kernel?"
>>>>
>>>> You should go out and answer that for yourself.
>>>
>>> So Mach is entirely Apple's own creation?
>>Apple doesn't use the Mac kernel.
>>
>>Try again.
>
>
> Your typo of "Mac" is funny, in that it would mean Apple's Mac
> computers don't use *their own* kernel, but yes the macOS kernel is
> derivative of Mach:
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach_(kernel)
>
> Mach's derivatives are the basis of the operating system kernel in GNU
> Hurd and of Apple's XNU kernel used in macOS, iOS, iPadOS, tvOS, and
> watchOS.

Just like virtually all computer operating systems are a derivatives of
Unix?

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach_(kernel)
>>>
>>> Mach's derivatives are the basis of the operating system kernel in GNU
>>> Hurd and of Apple's XNU kernel used in macOS, iOS, iPadOS, tvOS, and
>>> watchOS.
>>And XNU therefore isn't Mach and Mach is NOT the kernel that Apple uses.
>
>
> Uh huh.
>
>
>>So the answer is to the question, "Does Apple have its own kernel?"...
>>
>>...is:
>>
>>Yes. Apple uses a kernel called XNU that they developed from Mach and
>>other sources with huge amounts of their own work as well.
>>
>>Now, here's a question for you:
>>
>>Why is it even important which kernel Apple uses?
>
>
> They didn't build it from scratch, like Winblows NT did.

You think Windows NT was written totally from scratch? LMAO..

... some 'elite' you are turning out to be.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>On 12/10/24 12:46 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>> On 12/10/24 11:01 AM, Joel wrote:
>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rise above Apple's AirTag scheme.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are Tiles a "scheme"?
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what that is.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.tile.com>
>>>>
>>>> Tiles are a bluetooth tracker 'fob' which has been on the market
>>>> for 3x longer than Apple's Airtags (10 years vs 3 years).
>>>
>>> Ludicrous product, really, although potentially useful.
>>
>>Hardly ludicrous at all: you've merely not grokked its utility.
>
>
> Grokked, maybe, understood definitely not. I see the occasional uses
> of them, but not to the extent they're being produced.

(Joel admitting he doesn't understand the whole market/supply thing)

They are being produced to that extent because the market demand supports
that extent.

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-12-10 13:00, Joel wrote:
>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>> On 12/10/24 12:46 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 12/10/24 11:01 AM, Joel wrote:
>>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rise above Apple's AirTag scheme.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are Tiles a "scheme"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know what that is.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.tile.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tiles are a bluetooth tracker 'fob' which has been on the market
>>>>> for 3x longer than Apple's Airtags (10 years vs 3 years).
>>>>
>>>> Ludicrous product, really, although potentially useful.
>>>
>>> Hardly ludicrous at all: you've merely not grokked its utility.
>>
>>
>> Grokked, maybe, understood definitely not. I see the occasional uses
>> of them, but not to the extent they're being produced.
>
> So your claim is that you don't see a small object, which--for many of its
> use cases--should be concealed, proves that they're being bought but not
> used?
>
> Really?
>
> Look up the definition of "anecdotal".

I was thinking more of supply and demand.. but that works as well.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.tile.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tiles are a bluetooth tracker 'fob' which has been on the market
>>>>>>>> for 3x longer than Apple's Airtags (10 years vs 3 years).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ludicrous product, really, although potentially useful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hardly ludicrous at all: you've merely not grokked its utility.
>>>>>
>>>>> Grokked, maybe, understood definitely not. I see the occasional uses
>>>>> of them, but not to the extent they're being produced.
>>>>
>>>> So your claim is that you don't see a small object, which--for many of
>>>> its use cases--should be concealed, proves that they're being bought
>>>> but
>>>> not used?
>>>>
>>>> Really?
>>>>
>>>> Look up the definition of "anecdotal".
>>>
>>> OK, but why are you around all these organized thieves with your
>>> valuable gear, that would necessitate the AirTag? It's weird.
>>Why do you imagine that they're "organized thieves"?
>>
>>Do you agree that people lose/misplace things?
>>
>>Yes or no.
>>
>>Do you agree that airlines mishandle and/or lose checked bags?
>>
>>Yes or no.
>>
>>Do you agree that many people have valuable items stolen?
>>
>>Yes or no.
>
>
> Some travelers with particularly valuable luggage will want them, I
> get. The way Apple is spewing them to the public is weird.

What's weird about Apply supplying the demand?

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> why are you around all these organized thieves with your
>>>>> valuable gear, that would necessitate the AirTag? It's weird.
>>>> Why do you imagine that they're "organized thieves"?
>>>>
>>>> Do you agree that people lose/misplace things?
>>>>
>>>> Yes or no.
>>>>
>>>> Do you agree that airlines mishandle and/or lose checked bags?
>>>>
>>>> Yes or no.
>>>>
>>>> Do you agree that many people have valuable items stolen?
>>>>
>>>> Yes or no.
>>>
>>> Some travelers with particularly valuable luggage will want them, I
>>> get. The way Apple is spewing them to the public is weird.
>>
>>Oh, I see. Your elitism knows no bounds.
>>
>>"the public" can't have things they think are valuable.
>>
>>Got it.
>
>
> My "elitism", eh?

Well, you seem to feel you get to decide what other people should be able to
buy.

> Not Apple's?

They created a product that people want and are supplying the demand for
that product. I fail to see how that's an issue.

> What is the end game, here?

Probably the same as that of any corporation.

> How will
> the value of all these AirTags be realized?

By the use people put them to.

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-12-10 11:17, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>> "Apple is making these things like name tags" means... ...what?
>>>>>
>>>>> They want you to purchase them like they were stickers with a written
>>>>> name.
>>>>
>>>> And from what do you get that?
>>>>
>>>> They're clearly NOT "stickers with a written name", so why do you think
>>>> that would be?
>>>
>>>
>>> It meant that Apple is producing them such that they could be just
>>> ubiquitous.
>>
>> I think most companies want that for their products.
>>
>> So why do you think it's wrong for Apple to want that?
>>
>>
>>
>
> He seems to think that Apple's customers are so brainwashed that they'll
> just be buying the as collector's items.

Hmmmm.. Maybe Apple should start a 'secret' cooperation that doesn't show up
on paper as connected to Apple, and they simply sell repackaged apple
produces as 'rip offs' of apple products so that all the apple haters will
buy their apple products from them. They can even put on regular show
lawsuits where Apple claims the other company copied their designs and such,
only to find out that the chips weren't made with the apple logo or some
other silly excuse... Then people can buy their AirTags from that company
thinking they are sticking it to Apple, while Apple laughs all the way to
the bank.

I mean if there are enough people like Joel out there.. that could be
profitable for Apple

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>He [JWC] seems to think that Apple's customers are so brainwashed that
>>they'll
>>just be buying the[m, AirTags] as collector's items.
>
>
> Not quite, but it would amount to that, you'd have piles of unused
> tags.

And yet, there is no evidence of these piles of unused tags you claim.

However, let's say that is the case.. that just hurts Apple, and I'm sure
you would like to see that.

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-12-10 15:00, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> why are you around all these organized thieves with your
>>>>>> valuable gear, that would necessitate the AirTag? It's weird.
>>>>> Why do you imagine that they're "organized thieves"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you agree that people lose/misplace things?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes or no.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you agree that airlines mishandle and/or lose checked bags?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes or no.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you agree that many people have valuable items stolen?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes or no.
>>>>
>>>> Some travelers with particularly valuable luggage will want them, I
>>>> get. The way Apple is spewing them to the public is weird.
>>>
>>> Oh, I see. Your elitism knows no bounds.
>>>
>>> "the public" can't have things they think are valuable.
>>>
>>> Got it.
>>
>>
>> My "elitism", eh? Not Apple's? What is the end game, here? How will
>> the value of all these AirTags be realized?
>
> In belongings not lost, but found.
>
> In belongings not stolen and gone, but recovered.
>
> The "end game" for Apple is selling something many, many, MANY people find
> useful.
>
> And yes: YOUR elitism.
>
> According to you, "the public" can't have anything worth the expense of
> safeguarding.

Well if he can't have it.. then no one should.... I mean isn't that the
typical mindset of people like Joel?

On 2024-12-11, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>
> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:l7fhljpebkiqsiggkiea52a8fse06b6cp2@4ax.com...
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Everything is finite except God.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can't answer straight. Got it.
>>>>>
>>>>> But that's still a "yes", so:
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you claim that the reason you think Apple is "quirky" was because
>>>>> their "hardware options are finite."?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes or no.
>>>>
>>>> It's not because they're finite but because they're *so* *quirkily*
>>>> finite.
>>>
>>>That's not what you said.
>>>
>>>What a shocker that you're changing your argument.
>>>
>>>So, what is, "quirkily* finite." supposed to mean?
>>
>>
>> If you want to run macOS, you have to have Apple hardware. The
>> options for such are limited.
>
> So? Are you telling us your cell phone is "quirky"?
>
> Further having an O/S matched to hardware means the incompatibilities and
> other issues are basically eliminated. The OS can be optimized for the
> hardware and the hardware can be optimized for the software.
>
> I don't see how either of those are a significant down side to someone
> looking to increased performance and higher reliability.
>
> Heck, I bet if you had an apple system you would never have had the issue
> with your monitor requiring you to buy additional hardware to correct.
>
> Seems like the computer that is "quirky" is yours.. as it has compatibility
> issues.
>
>
The biggest problem with Android phones is that they come pre-loaded with bloatware and adware some of which can
be difficult if not impossible to remove
You have to shop carefully to choose a phone with minimal bloatware.

--
pothead

All about snit read below. Links courtesy of Ron:

Example of Snit trolling in real time:

<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.advocacy/c/biFilzgCcVg/m/eUcNGw6lP7UJ>

All about the snit troll:

<https://web.archive.org/web/20181028000459/http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/snit.html>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20190529043314/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html>
<https://web.archive.org/web/20190529062255/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitLieMethods.html>

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>> It matters that Apple is secondary in the industry.
>>>
>>> So it's about bragging rights again.
>>
>> "Bragging rights" that engender superior products, namely Winblows
>> over macOS.
>
>LOL!

You laugh but it's self-evident. As ridiculous as Wintendo OS is, it
does an amazing job of being what it is. High-end PCs can benefit
from M$'s tinkering.

>>>> They depend on
>>>> Microsoft and Adobe to develop applications.
>>>
>>> Apple makes computers and other computing devices and the operating
>>> systems for those devices along with many applications to run on them.
>>
>> Microsoft is more full-service.
>
>Again... ...to the END USER, how does that matter?
>
>What matters is that the END USER can find the software he or she needs
>to get his or her tasks done.
>
>And for almost every ordinary task, that software (often the exact same
>software) is available for macOS.

Simple people like simple things, I suppose.

>>>> I actually enjoyed
>>>> seeing the free trial of M$ Office for Mac. Showed it to my mom,
>>>> who's always used Office for Winblows. The Mac version of Office is
>>>> actually great software. And I imagine Adobe's stuff is pretty great
>>>> on it, and the movie editing, etc. But for a typical PC user, posting
>>>> on Usenet everyday, macOS is a quirky choice.
>>> Again with the "quirky".
>>
>> Yep, wear it.
>
>Not until you define it.

It's self-evident, Apple supplies a quirky corner of the market.

>>> I support computer users for a living, and what I can tell you is that
>>> while I technically have quite a few clients who use Macs, I almost
>>> never see them anymore.
>>>
>>> Because their Macs work that well.
>>
>>
>> Well, I support my own computer.
>
>Bully for you.
>
>Most people who run Windows cannot.
>
>Where most Mac users rarely NEED support...
>
>...because they just work.

Why don't they grow enough of a brain to teach themselves something?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-11 11:19, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> It matters that Apple is secondary in the industry.
>>>>
>>>> So it's about bragging rights again.
>>>
>>> "Bragging rights" that engender superior products, namely Winblows
>>> over macOS.
>>
>> LOL!
>
>
> You laugh but it's self-evident. As ridiculous as Wintendo OS is, it
> does an amazing job of being what it is. High-end PCs can benefit
> from M$'s tinkering.

Give an example.

>
>
>>>>> They depend on
>>>>> Microsoft and Adobe to develop applications.
>>>>
>>>> Apple makes computers and other computing devices and the operating
>>>> systems for those devices along with many applications to run on them.
>>>
>>> Microsoft is more full-service.
>>
>> Again... ...to the END USER, how does that matter?
>>
>> What matters is that the END USER can find the software he or she needs
>> to get his or her tasks done.
>>
>> And for almost every ordinary task, that software (often the exact same
>> software) is available for macOS.
>
>
> Simple people like simple things, I suppose.

What's a complex thing that can't be done on a Mac?

>
>
>>>>> I actually enjoyed
>>>>> seeing the free trial of M$ Office for Mac. Showed it to my mom,
>>>>> who's always used Office for Winblows. The Mac version of Office is
>>>>> actually great software. And I imagine Adobe's stuff is pretty great
>>>>> on it, and the movie editing, etc. But for a typical PC user, posting
>>>>> on Usenet everyday, macOS is a quirky choice.
>>>> Again with the "quirky".
>>>
>>> Yep, wear it.
>>
>> Not until you define it.
>
>
> It's self-evident, Apple supplies a quirky corner of the market.

That's another non-answer.

>
>
>>>> I support computer users for a living, and what I can tell you is that
>>>> while I technically have quite a few clients who use Macs, I almost
>>>> never see them anymore.
>>>>
>>>> Because their Macs work that well.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I support my own computer.
>>
>> Bully for you.
>>
>> Most people who run Windows cannot.
>>
>> Where most Mac users rarely NEED support...
>>
>> ...because they just work.
>
>
> Why don't they grow enough of a brain to teach themselves something?
They just use their computers, doofus.

They do exactly the same things most Windows users do...

....but they get it done with many fewer problems.

On 12/11/24 1:27 PM, vallor wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Dec 2024 10:19:10 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in
> <vjcl2u$1llo0$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 2024-12-11 09:29, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Apple uses a kernel called XNU that they developed from Mach and
>>>>>>>>>> other sources with huge amounts of their own work as well.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now, here's a question for you:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why is it even important which kernel Apple uses?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They didn't build it from scratch, like Winblows NT did. Why did
>>>>>>>>> Gates hire Cutler? Why did Apple wish they could've?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why SHOULD they build it from scratch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *That* is the question, believe it or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One you're not answering...
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you think we call GNU/Linux mainly "Linux", it's a tribute to
>>>>> Torvalds for being beyond a genius.
>>>>
>>>> That still doesn't answer the question.
>>>
>>>
>>> I can boot my modern PC with Linux, because a person with the mind to
>>> create a kernel exists. Apple never acquired a programmer quite on
>>> that level, clearly.
>>
>> And again:
>>
>> What does it matter WHO wrote the kernel?
>>
>> What's important is that the computer works.
>>
>> And macOS works.
>
> Well....
>
> $ ./use_pathconf /
> 1024
> $ uname -a
> Darwin Mac-Studio 23.2.0 Darwin Kernel Version 23.2.0: Wed Nov 15 21:55:06
> PST 2023; root:xnu-10002.61.3~2/RELEASE_ARM64_T6020 arm64
>
> 1024? tsk tsk tsk.
>
> (fu2: cola)
>

Looks like you're still on Sonoma instead of Sequoia?

15.1.1 (24B91) returns as:

$ uname -a
Darwin Mac-Studio.local 24.1.0 Darwin Kernel Version 24.1.0: Thu Oct 10
20:00:00 PDT 2024; root:xnu-11215.41.3~2/RELEASE_ARM64_T6000 arm64

-hh