Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>a computer is a TOOL.
>
>Building a useful tool is not that much of an accomplishment.

That's an insult to the makers of microchips and hardware, minimizes
their network of support.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-05 19:32, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>> Make sure to also include an NVMe benched on the open slot that's on the
>> slower PCIe 3 bus that you've been saying is your 'future expansion'.
>
>
> You act as though PCI-e 3 isn't great already.
>

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)>

On 2024-12-05 19:33, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> a computer is a TOOL.
>>
>> Building a useful tool is not that much of an accomplishment.
>
>
> That's an insult to the makers of microchips and hardware, minimizes
> their network of support.
>

And that is a complete deflection.

On 12/5/24 11:35 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-12-05 19:32, Joel wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>
>>> Make sure to also include an NVMe benched on the open slot that's on the
>>> slower PCIe 3 bus that you've been saying is your 'future expansion'.
>>
>> You act as though PCI-e 3 isn't great already.
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)>

Joel's acting as though Thunderbolt 3 wasn't great already:

* bandwidth of a PCIe 3.0 x4 is 4 gigabytes per second = 4 GB/.

* Thunderbolt 3's bandwidth is 4000 MB/s = 5 GB/s.

And 2024 Macs have TB5, which means 10 GB/sec bandwidth, enabling
an external SSD to perform like a 2TB internal Apple OEM SSD from
a 2020 vintage Mac Studio.

-hh

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2024-12-05 19:32, Joel wrote:
>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Make sure to also include an NVMe benched on the open slot that's on the
>>> slower PCIe 3 bus that you've been saying is your 'future expansion'.
>>
>> You act as though PCI-e 3 isn't great already.
>
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)>

Apple says it's as good so you accept it.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>On 12/5/24 11:35 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-12-05 19:32, Joel wrote:
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>
>>>> Make sure to also include an NVMe benched on the open slot that's on the
>>>> slower PCIe 3 bus that you've been saying is your 'future expansion'.
>>>
>>> You act as though PCI-e 3 isn't great already.
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)>
>
>Joel's acting as though Thunderbolt 3 wasn't great already:
>
>* bandwidth of a PCIe 3.0 x4 is 4 gigabytes per second = 4 GB/.
>
>* Thunderbolt 3's bandwidth is 4000 MB/s = 5 GB/s.
>
>And 2024 Macs have TB5, which means 10 GB/sec bandwidth, enabling
>an external SSD to perform like a 2TB internal Apple OEM SSD from
>a 2020 vintage Mac Studio.

OK, none of that makes what I have any slower.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-06 06:28, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-05 19:32, Joel wrote:
>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Make sure to also include an NVMe benched on the open slot that's on the
>>>> slower PCIe 3 bus that you've been saying is your 'future expansion'.
>>>
>>> You act as though PCI-e 3 isn't great already.
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)>
>
>
> Apple says it's as good so you accept it.
>

It's hardly only Apple who says it, doofus.

It's been extensively reviewed.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2024-12-06 06:28, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-05 19:32, Joel wrote:
>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Make sure to also include an NVMe benched on the open slot that's on the
>>>>> slower PCIe 3 bus that you've been saying is your 'future expansion'.
>>>>
>>>> You act as though PCI-e 3 isn't great already.
>>>
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)>
>>
>> Apple says it's as good so you accept it.
>
>It's hardly only Apple who says it, doofus.
>
>It's been extensively reviewed.

Oh really, and I should care? It's not complex, Apple sells their
spin on OEM hardware, complete with their own software, but it's not
as great a bargain as buying computer parts to run Linux.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-06 10:48, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-06 06:28, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-05 19:32, Joel wrote:
>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Make sure to also include an NVMe benched on the open slot that's on the
>>>>>> slower PCIe 3 bus that you've been saying is your 'future expansion'.
>>>>>
>>>>> You act as though PCI-e 3 isn't great already.
>>>>
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)>
>>>
>>> Apple says it's as good so you accept it.
>>
>> It's hardly only Apple who says it, doofus.
>>
>> It's been extensively reviewed.
>
>
> Oh really, and I should care? It's not complex, Apple sells their
> spin on OEM hardware, complete with their own software, but it's not
> as great a bargain as buying computer parts to run Linux.
But you've forgotten why this conversation arose.

It arose (in text you've conveniently snipped) because you tried to
suggest that external drives couldn't be equivalent.

Thunderbolt IS PCIe.

Thunderbolt 3 is x4 PCIe 3.0.

So how is an external drive connected by Thunderbolt NOT equivalent to
one connected internally?

On 12/6/24 9:28 AM, Joel wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>> On 12/5/24 11:35 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-05 19:32, Joel wrote:
>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Make sure to also include an NVMe benched on the open slot that's on the
>>>>> slower PCIe 3 bus that you've been saying is your 'future expansion'.
>>>>
>>>> You act as though PCI-e 3 isn't great already.
>>>
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)>
>>
>> Joel's acting as though Thunderbolt 3 wasn't great already:
>>
>> * bandwidth of a PCIe 3.0 x4 is 4 gigabytes per second = 4 GB/.
>>
>> * Thunderbolt 3's bandwidth is 4000 MB/s = 5 GB/s.
>>
>> And 2024 Macs have TB5, which means 10 GB/sec bandwidth, enabling
>> an external SSD to perform like a 2TB internal Apple OEM SSD from
>> a 2020 vintage Mac Studio.
>
> OK, none of that makes what I have any slower.

Nah, it shows where your claim that USB is slow is factually incorrect.

So much for your standards for "high end" which just aren't really...

Plus it shows that stuff just gets labelled by you as 'overpriced' is
also higher performance gear than your self-proclaimed "high end" stuff.

Per the old adage of "Speed cost money. How fast can you afford to go?",
its evident that you're deriding that which you want, but won't afford.

....and still waiting on you to post benchmarks, too... /s

-hh

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>On 12/6/24 9:28 AM, Joel wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>> On 12/5/24 11:35 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-05 19:32, Joel wrote:
>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Make sure to also include an NVMe benched on the open slot that's on the
>>>>>> slower PCIe 3 bus that you've been saying is your 'future expansion'.
>>>>>
>>>>> You act as though PCI-e 3 isn't great already.
>>>>
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)>
>>>
>>> Joel's acting as though Thunderbolt 3 wasn't great already:
>>>
>>> * bandwidth of a PCIe 3.0 x4 is 4 gigabytes per second = 4 GB/.
>>>
>>> * Thunderbolt 3's bandwidth is 4000 MB/s = 5 GB/s.
>>>
>>> And 2024 Macs have TB5, which means 10 GB/sec bandwidth, enabling
>>> an external SSD to perform like a 2TB internal Apple OEM SSD from
>>> a 2020 vintage Mac Studio.
>>
>> OK, none of that makes what I have any slower.
>
>Nah, it shows where your claim that USB is slow is factually incorrect.
>
>So much for your standards for "high end" which just aren't really...
>
>Plus it shows that stuff just gets labelled by you as 'overpriced' is
>also higher performance gear than your self-proclaimed "high end" stuff.
>
>Per the old adage of "Speed cost money. How fast can you afford to go?",
>its evident that you're deriding that which you want, but won't afford.
>
>...and still waiting on you to post benchmarks, too... /s
>
>
>-hh

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>On 12/6/24 9:28 AM, Joel wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>> On 12/5/24 11:35 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-05 19:32, Joel wrote:
>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Make sure to also include an NVMe benched on the open slot that's on the
>>>>>> slower PCIe 3 bus that you've been saying is your 'future expansion'.
>>>>>
>>>>> You act as though PCI-e 3 isn't great already.
>>>>
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)>
>>>
>>> Joel's acting as though Thunderbolt 3 wasn't great already:
>>>
>>> * bandwidth of a PCIe 3.0 x4 is 4 gigabytes per second = 4 GB/.
>>>
>>> * Thunderbolt 3's bandwidth is 4000 MB/s = 5 GB/s.
>>>
>>> And 2024 Macs have TB5, which means 10 GB/sec bandwidth, enabling
>>> an external SSD to perform like a 2TB internal Apple OEM SSD from
>>> a 2020 vintage Mac Studio.
>>
>> OK, none of that makes what I have any slower.
>
>Nah, it shows where your claim that USB is slow is factually incorrect.
>
>So much for your standards for "high end" which just aren't really...
>
>Plus it shows that stuff just gets labelled by you as 'overpriced' is
>also higher performance gear than your self-proclaimed "high end" stuff.
>
>Per the old adage of "Speed cost money. How fast can you afford to go?",
>its evident that you're deriding that which you want, but won't afford.
>
>...and still waiting on you to post benchmarks, too... /s

I haven't addressed the external storage's speed, but immediate access
of internal drives is a higher grade or level.

That being said, Win11 and 10 did install pretty painlessly, on my
system. Just one becomes aware that Linux will trump anything

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>> what [is] the difference in cost is between your Linux
>>> system and an equivalent Mac[?].
>>>
>>> Funny that, huh?
>>
>> It's definitely cheaper [to use self-assembled computers].
>
>So show us all!
>
>Show us how much smarter you are!
>
>Show us how you "won"!

Cut the $200 I didn't need to pay M$, and I paid a pittance for what I
have now.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>Joel actually spent [allegedly too much], by accepting SSD performance that's only
>equal to his current, instead of 2x as fast by using a external, and
>skip the RAM upgrade as a BS claim:
>
>Base Mini with SSD bumped to 512 +1TB external SSD: $800 +$100 = $900.
>
>Outcome: significantly superior performing hardware, and with 1.5TB
>total storage instead of just 1TB...for 22% less money.
>
>And one _still_ has the option of running Linux on it, plus there's zero
>financial cost to go back to MacOS if you decide that was a mistake.

My parts stand at under $1000.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2024-11-23 18:12, Joel wrote:

>>>>> "it [Windows 10] was a minor upgrade to Win8.1"
>>>>
>>>> Uh, I had Windows 8.x and early Windows 10 on my old computer. I know
>>>> what the fuck I'm talking about, that's why I'm reading this thread in
>>>> COLA, where we debate OSes.
>>>
>>> So what you have is purely a personal anecdote.
>>>
>>> Got it.
>>
>> No, it's not an anecdote.
>
>Yes. It was.
>
>> I was a comp sci major, while I was in
>> college. I pay attention to finer details. I know what Windows 10
>> was in 2015, vs. 2020 and later.
>That is precisely what a personal anecdote is.

Dude, I saw 20H2 on two machines. I saw Win11 from day one. I have
earned the place to be a critic.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-06 16:28, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> On 12/6/24 9:28 AM, Joel wrote:
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>> On 12/5/24 11:35 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-12-05 19:32, Joel wrote:
>>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Make sure to also include an NVMe benched on the open slot that's on the
>>>>>>> slower PCIe 3 bus that you've been saying is your 'future expansion'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You act as though PCI-e 3 isn't great already.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)>
>>>>
>>>> Joel's acting as though Thunderbolt 3 wasn't great already:
>>>>
>>>> * bandwidth of a PCIe 3.0 x4 is 4 gigabytes per second = 4 GB/.
>>>>
>>>> * Thunderbolt 3's bandwidth is 4000 MB/s = 5 GB/s.
>>>>
>>>> And 2024 Macs have TB5, which means 10 GB/sec bandwidth, enabling
>>>> an external SSD to perform like a 2TB internal Apple OEM SSD from
>>>> a 2020 vintage Mac Studio.
>>>
>>> OK, none of that makes what I have any slower.
>>
>> Nah, it shows where your claim that USB is slow is factually incorrect.
>>
>> So much for your standards for "high end" which just aren't really...
>>
>> Plus it shows that stuff just gets labelled by you as 'overpriced' is
>> also higher performance gear than your self-proclaimed "high end" stuff.
>>
>> Per the old adage of "Speed cost money. How fast can you afford to go?",
>> its evident that you're deriding that which you want, but won't afford.
>>
>> ...and still waiting on you to post benchmarks, too... /s
>
>
> I haven't addressed the external storage's speed, but immediate access
> of internal drives is a higher grade or level.

That is a question of speed and you're just making yourself look stupid
by trying to create clever sounding phrases.

>
> That being said, Win11 and 10 did install pretty painlessly, on my
> system. Just one becomes aware that Linux will trump anything
>

On 2024-12-06 16:59, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-11-23 18:12, Joel wrote:
>
>>>>>> "it [Windows 10] was a minor upgrade to Win8.1"
>>>>>
>>>>> Uh, I had Windows 8.x and early Windows 10 on my old computer. I know
>>>>> what the fuck I'm talking about, that's why I'm reading this thread in
>>>>> COLA, where we debate OSes.
>>>>
>>>> So what you have is purely a personal anecdote.
>>>>
>>>> Got it.
>>>
>>> No, it's not an anecdote.
>>
>> Yes. It was.
>>
>>> I was a comp sci major, while I was in
>>> college. I pay attention to finer details. I know what Windows 10
>>> was in 2015, vs. 2020 and later.
>> That is precisely what a personal anecdote is.
>
>
> Dude, I saw 20H2 on two machines. I saw Win11 from day one. I have
> earned the place to be a critic.
>

Wow!

A whole TWO MACHINES?

You're qualified to write the OS now!

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2024-12-06 16:28, Joel wrote:
>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ...and still waiting on you to post benchmarks, too... /s
>>
>> I haven't addressed the external storage's speed, but immediate access
>> of internal drives is a higher grade or level.
>
>That is a question of speed and you're just making yourself look stupid
>by trying to create clever sounding phrases.

And you appear to be a genius, to have out-reasoned me at every turn,
along with -hh, it's amusing.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>> I was a comp sci major, while I was in
>>>> college. I pay attention to finer details. I know what Windows 10
>>>> was in 2015, vs. 2020 and later.
>>> That is precisely what a personal anecdote is.
>>
>> Dude, I saw 20H2 on two machines. I saw Win11 from day one. I have
>> earned the place to be a critic.
>
>Wow!
>
>A whole TWO MACHINES?
>
>You're qualified to write the OS now!

You're a jackass.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-06 19:00, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-06 16:28, Joel wrote:
>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ...and still waiting on you to post benchmarks, too... /s
>>>
>>> I haven't addressed the external storage's speed, but immediate access
>>> of internal drives is a higher grade or level.
>>
>> That is a question of speed and you're just making yourself look stupid
>> by trying to create clever sounding phrases.
>
>
> And you appear to be a genius, to have out-reasoned me at every turn,
> along with -hh, it's amusing.
>

You haven't even understood the basic facts of what Thunderbolt is, doofus.

How is that my problem?

On 12/6/24 7:28 PM, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>> Joel actually spent [allegedly too much], by accepting SSD performance that's only
>> equal to his current, instead of 2x as fast by using a external, and
>> skip the RAM upgrade as a BS claim:
>>
>> Base Mini with SSD bumped to 512 +1TB external SSD: $800 +$100 = $900.
>>
>> Outcome: significantly superior performing hardware, and with 1.5TB
>> total storage instead of just 1TB...for 22% less money.
>>
>> And one _still_ has the option of running Linux on it, plus there's zero
>> financial cost to go back to MacOS if you decide that was a mistake.
>
> My parts stand at under $1000.

Yes, your hardware's at ~$950, because you've been desperately trying to
ignore the $200 that you also spent on a Windows license as a mistake.

Unfortunately, "do-overs" from mistakes is part of the risk of DIY'ing.
Just ask that guy who bought a 4100 graphics card after his integrated
GPU was supposedly inadequate for supporting even but one 4K display.

-hh

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2024-12-06 19:00, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-06 16:28, Joel wrote:
>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ...and still waiting on you to post benchmarks, too... /s
>>>>
>>>> I haven't addressed the external storage's speed, but immediate access
>>>> of internal drives is a higher grade or level.
>>>
>>> That is a question of speed and you're just making yourself look stupid
>>> by trying to create clever sounding phrases.
>>
>> And you appear to be a genius, to have out-reasoned me at every turn,
>> along with -hh, it's amusing.
>
>You haven't even understood the basic facts of what Thunderbolt is, doofus.
>
>How is that my problem?

I understand the claim that Thunderbolt's speed is comparable to
internal's. I accept it, even. It doesn't magically make an external
drive internal.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>> My parts stand at under $1000.
>
>Yes, your hardware's at ~$950, because you've been desperately trying to
>ignore the $200 that you also spent on a Windows license as a mistake.
>
>Unfortunately, "do-overs" from mistakes is part of the risk of DIY'ing.
>Just ask that guy who bought a 4100 graphics card after his integrated
>GPU was supposedly inadequate for supporting even but one 4K display.

The Windows Pro license was simply to use until Linux was preferable.
I got my money's worth out of it..

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-12-07 14:00, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-06 19:00, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-06 16:28, Joel wrote:
>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...and still waiting on you to post benchmarks, too... /s
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't addressed the external storage's speed, but immediate access
>>>>> of internal drives is a higher grade or level.
>>>>
>>>> That is a question of speed and you're just making yourself look stupid
>>>> by trying to create clever sounding phrases.
>>>
>>> And you appear to be a genius, to have out-reasoned me at every turn,
>>> along with -hh, it's amusing.
>>
>> You haven't even understood the basic facts of what Thunderbolt is, doofus.
>>
>> How is that my problem?
>
>
> I understand the claim that Thunderbolt's speed is comparable to
> internal's. I accept it, even. It doesn't magically make an external
> drive internal.
But your objection was that somehow the "access" of an external drive
wasn't as "immediate", but now you accept that Thunderbolt is as fast as
an internal four lane PCIe 3.0 bus (amazing that someone who claims to
be as 1337 as yourself didn't already know about that, huh?).

So how is it less immediate?

On 2024-12-07 14:03, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>>> My parts stand at under $1000.
>>
>> Yes, your hardware's at ~$950, because you've been desperately trying to
>> ignore the $200 that you also spent on a Windows license as a mistake.
>>
>> Unfortunately, "do-overs" from mistakes is part of the risk of DIY'ing.
>> Just ask that guy who bought a 4100 graphics card after his integrated
>> GPU was supposedly inadequate for supporting even but one 4K display.
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>
> The Windows Pro license was simply to use until Linux was preferable.
> I got my money's worth out of it..
>

You bought something that wasn't useful to you.