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Subject: Thankgiving Thanks To GNU/Linux
From: Xavier Dominica
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On this Thanksgiving holiday be sure to extend appreciation
to the GNU/Linux (and FreeBSD) OS for liberating computing
mankind from the shackles of grubbing commercialism.

All those who use a commercial OS and commercial software
are essentially slaves to be milked like dumb cattle.

Only those who use FOSS are truly free.

Let us give a hearty thanks to the following for their
selfless efforts to liberate mankind:

Dr. Richard M. Stallman

Linus Torvalds

The countless developers the world over of excellent
FOSS software

Subject: Re: Thankgiving Thanks To GNU/Linux
From: Joel
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From: joelcrump@gmail.com (Joel)
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Subject: Re: Thankgiving Thanks To GNU/Linux
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Xavier Dominica <XD@gnulinux.rocks> wrote:

>On this Thanksgiving holiday be sure to extend appreciation
>to the GNU/Linux (and FreeBSD) OS for liberating computing
>mankind from the shackles of grubbing commercialism.
>
>All those who use a commercial OS and commercial software
>are essentially slaves to be milked like dumb cattle.
>
>Only those who use FOSS are truly free.
>
>Let us give a hearty thanks to the following for their
>selfless efforts to liberate mankind:
>
>Dr. Richard M. Stallman
>
>Linus Torvalds
>
>The countless developers the world over of excellent
>FOSS software

Certainly a good and important thing to be thankful for. The more I
hear about Winblows and Mac, jeez, it's just more and more
incontrovertible that I'm with Linux.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Subject: Re: Thankgiving Thanks To GNU/Linux
From: bad sector
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2024 02:39 UTC
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On 11/27/24 18:16, Xavier Dominica wrote:
> On this Thanksgiving holiday be sure to extend appreciation
> to the GNU/Linux (and FreeBSD) OS for liberating computing
> mankind from the shackles of grubbing commercialism.
>
> All those who use a commercial OS and commercial software
> are essentially slaves to be milked like dumb cattle.
>
> Only those who use FOSS are truly free.
>
> Let us give a hearty thanks to the following for their
> selfless efforts to liberate mankind:
>
> Dr. Richard M. Stallman
>
> Linus Torvalds
>
> The countless developers the world over of excellent
> FOSS software

No contest.

Devs code and users try to deal with the result in often rudimentary
surroundings because in a sense both are able and willing to pay the
price of freedom. Neither frolic in the brass beds of ivory towers, but
we must not be condescending to those who simply do not have the
multi-dimensional currency to pay the price.

Gordon Lightfoot's rendition:

"Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose
Nothin' ain't worth nothin' but it's free"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ2MrKKPYCU

Subject: Re: Thankgiving Thanks To GNU/Linux
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On 11/27/2024 9:39 PM, bad sector wrote:

> Devs code and users try to deal with the result in often rudimentary
> surroundings because in a sense both are able and willing to pay the
> price of freedom. Neither frolic in the brass beds of ivory towers, but
> we must not be condescending to those who simply do not have the
> multi-dimensional currency to pay the price.

Could you be any more cheesy and lame? JHC.

That cringe is right up there with Feeb's Ode to Assembly:

---------------------------------------------------------------------
When I encounter high level code of any kind, my mind cannot help
but to plunge immediately down into the assembly code that underlies
it all. Thus, as a consequence, I do not not especially favor
the creation of ever higher abstractions that serve only to
obliterate and not truly enlighten.

It is, I suppose a sickness, but it is a sickness from which no
escape, or cure, is possible.
---------------------------------------------------------------------

gawd

> Gordon Lightfoot's rendition:
>
> "Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose
> Nothin' ain't worth nothin' but it's free"
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ2MrKKPYCU

Use and develop only FOSS software and chances are very high you'll end
up with nothing.

Subject: Re: Thankgiving Thanks To GNU/Linux
From: bad sector
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On 11/27/24 23:28, DFS wrote:
> On 11/27/2024 9:39 PM, bad sector wrote:
>
>
>> Devs code and users try to deal with the result in often rudimentary
>> surroundings because in a sense both are able and willing to pay the
>> price of freedom. Neither frolic in the brass beds of ivory towers,
>> but we must not be condescending to those who simply do not have the
>> multi-dimensional currency to pay the price.
>
>
> Could you be any more cheesy and lame?  JHC.

I ask myself if you have cognitive issues, & WTF is JHC?

> That cringe is right up there with Feeb's Ode to Assembly:
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> When I encounter high level code of any kind, my mind cannot help
> but to plunge immediately down into the assembly code that underlies
> it all.  Thus, as a consequence, I do not not especially favor
> the creation of ever higher abstractions that serve only to
> obliterate and not truly enlighten.
>
> It is, I suppose a sickness, but it is a sickness from which no
> escape, or cure, is possible.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> gawd
>
>
>
>> Gordon Lightfoot's rendition:
>>
>> "Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose
>> Nothin' ain't worth nothin' but it's free"
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ2MrKKPYCU
>
> Use and develop only FOSS software and chances are very high you'll end
> up with nothing.

Never done dev but I did some coding in another life, now I just 'use'
FOSS exclusively ...yet there isn't a single person on his planet that
I would trade places with in my past present and hopefully future.
Nothing to one may be everything to another.

--
"Nous n'héritons pas de la terre de nos parents, nous l'empruntons à nos
enfants." Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

Subject: Re: Thankgiving Thanks To GNU/Linux
From: rbowman
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On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 21:39:10 -0500, bad sector wrote:

> Gordon Lightfoot's rendition:
>
> "Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose Nothin' ain't
> worth nothin' but it's free"
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ2MrKKPYCU

The horse's mouth:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOoMREvsV9E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hih-h0DuYjo

RIP

Subject: Re: Thankgiving Thanks To GNU/Linux
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On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 00:11:56 -0500, bad sector wrote:

>> On 11/27/2024 9:39 PM, bad sector wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Devs code and users try to deal with the result in often rudimentary
>>> surroundings because in a sense both are able and willing to pay the
>>> price of freedom. Neither frolic in the brass beds of ivory towers,
>>> but we must not be condescending to those who simply do not have the
>>> multi-dimensional currency to pay the price.
>>
>>
>> Could you be any more cheesy and lame?  JHC.
>
> I ask myself if you have cognitive issues, & WTF is JHC?

Jesus H. Christ?

Subject: Re: Thankgiving Thanks To GNU/Linux
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On 11/28/24 00:31, rbowman wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 21:39:10 -0500, bad sector wrote:
>
>> Gordon Lightfoot's rendition:
>>
>> "Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose Nothin' ain't
>> worth nothin' but it's free"
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ2MrKKPYCU
>
> The horse's mouth:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOoMREvsV9E
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hih-h0DuYjo
>
> RIP

I first thought you must be linking Janis Joplin so I was gonna say I
wouldn't call her a horse. But yeah, the greats are leaving and I hardly
ever turn the radio on any more.

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On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 10:08:10 -0500, bad sector wrote:

> I first thought you must be linking Janis Joplin so I was gonna say I
> wouldn't call her a horse. But yeah, the greats are leaving and I hardly
> ever turn the radio on any more.

Her cover got a lot more airplay but I like to give credit where it's due.
Between his songs and films Kristofferson had quite a life.

I talked to my ex yesterday and she told me Alice Brock of 'Alice's
Restaurant' died last week. Arlo isn't in great shape.

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On 11/28/24 14:52, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 10:08:10 -0500, bad sector wrote:
>
>> I first thought you must be linking Janis Joplin so I was gonna say I
>> wouldn't call her a horse. But yeah, the greats are leaving and I hardly
>> ever turn the radio on any more.
>
> Her cover got a lot more airplay but I like to give credit where it's due.
> Between his songs and films Kristofferson had quite a life.

I wasn't trying to compare, there is no comparison. I had thought that
Lightfoot had 'straightened out' the original lyrics used by Joplin.
Didn't know about Kristoffersen having recorded it too.

> I talked to my ex yesterday and she told me Alice Brock of 'Alice's
> Restaurant' died last week. Arlo isn't in great shape.

Not familiar with that show, but it's the same story with acting greats.
I just watched 'A man called Otto' in my agony to find anything worth my
time (never mind my money) when I realized that besides class acting
there were two things that made Tom Hanks: he never took on a bad movie,
and he never pronounced a single word that I could not understand even
when pissed out of my skull. Compared to today's litter sucking its
teeth between mumbled nonsense THAT was acting. Hanks wasn't alone
either, ever ask in a Kirk/Michael Douglas, Russel Crowe or Carry Grant
movie "what did he say"?

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On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 21:10:57 -0500, bad sector wrote:

> I wasn't trying to compare, there is no comparison. I had thought that
> Lightfoot had 'straightened out' the original lyrics used by Joplin.
> Didn't know about Kristoffersen having recorded it too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZvsxe1CD-c

Roger Miller was the first to record and release it.

Then Kenny Rodgers took a shot at it.

https://secondhandsongs.com/performance/29795

Then Lightfoot released it. All those were in '69. Kristofferson's first
album, 'Kristofferson' came out in 1970. It has several tracks that had
been covered by others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phLlo_t-z-U

And finally Joplin's posthumous 'Pearl' came out in '71 and it took off.
Miller and Price were country and western which was at a low ebb. Rodgers
was reinventing himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meJP410N9Gg

The 'Ruby, Don't Take Your Love to Town' album was back to country, more
or less but that was the A track. 'Bobby McGee' didn't get noticed.

I didn't even know Lightfoot did it. He had the same problem as Rodgers.
'If You Could Read My Mind' was the hit, not 'Bobby NcGee'. Like
Kristofferson, Ian and Sylvia or Peter, Paul and Mary got more mileage out
of 'Early Morning Rain' than Lightfoot did, at least in the states.
'Sundown' and 'Edmund Fitzgerald' were the two big ones for him.

Subject: Re: Thankgiving Thanks To GNU/Linux
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bad sector wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On 11/28/24 00:31, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Nov 2024 21:39:10 -0500, bad sector wrote:
>>
>>> Gordon Lightfoot's rendition:
>>>
>>> "Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose Nothin' ain't
>>> worth nothin' but it's free"
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ2MrKKPYCU
>>
>> The horse's mouth:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOoMREvsV9E
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hih-h0DuYjo
>>
>> RIP
>
> I first thought you must be linking Janis Joplin so I was gonna say I
> wouldn't call her a horse. But yeah, the greats are leaving and I hardly
> ever turn the radio on any more.

My "greats" were basically NEVER on the radio:

- Acoustic Alchemy
- Fourplay
- Gil Scott-Heron (saw him first on "Soundstage")
- Hiroshima (they did have a tune on MTV or VH-1 many years ago)
- Jean-luc Ponty
- John McLaughlin (Mahavishnu Orchestra, Shakti)
- Kansas (as far as I know)
- Keiko Matsui
- Mojo Nixon and friends
- Passport
- Renaissance
- Return to Forever (saw them first on "Soundstage")
- Synergy (Larry Fast)
- Yanni (yes, some of his tunes are really good)

Some did put in an appearance or two:

- Deodato
- Emerson Lake and Palmer
- Herbie Hancock
- Warren Zevon

And there are a large number of "lesser" greats that I'll not bother to list.

As for radio itself... As a kid I listened to WLS or Dr. Demento and taped the
tunes on a radio/cassette deck. Later listened to classical and progressive
rock stations beaming out of Chicago. In L.A., it was KTWV "The Wave", though
these days it doesn't seem so smooth.

I mostly hear radio when in the van with the grandsons. Some stuff is pretty
foul-mouthed, but mostly to me it's just bubblegum music.

I do hear some descendants of greats stream through on SomaFM's "Sonic
Universe" channel.

--
People never lie so much as after a hunt, during a war, or before an election.
-- Otto Von Bismarck

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Chris Ahlstrom wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

>
> My "greats" were basically NEVER on the radio:
>
> - Acoustic Alchemy
> - Fourplay
> - Gil Scott-Heron (saw him first on "Soundstage")
> - Hiroshima (they did have a tune on MTV or VH-1 many years ago)
> - Jean-luc Ponty
> - John McLaughlin (Mahavishnu Orchestra, Shakti)
> - Kansas (as far as I know)
> - Keiko Matsui
> - Mojo Nixon and friends
> - Passport
> - Renaissance
> - Return to Forever (saw them first on "Soundstage")
> - Synergy (Larry Fast)
> - Yanni (yes, some of his tunes are really good)

Dang, left out Tangerine Dream and Jean-Michel Jarre.

--
The story of the butterfly:
"I was in Bogota and waiting for a lady friend. I was in love,
a long time ago. I waited three days. I was hungry but could not go
out for food, lest she come and I not be there to greet her. Then, on
the third day, I heard a knock."
"I hurried along the old passage and there, in the sunlight,
there was nothing."
"Just," Vance Joy said, "a butterfly, flying away."
-- Peter Carey, BLISS

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Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>> My "greats" were basically NEVER on the radio:
>>
>> - Acoustic Alchemy
>> - Fourplay
>> - Gil Scott-Heron (saw him first on "Soundstage")
>> - Hiroshima (they did have a tune on MTV or VH-1 many years ago)
>> - Jean-luc Ponty
>> - John McLaughlin (Mahavishnu Orchestra, Shakti)
>> - Kansas (as far as I know)
>> - Keiko Matsui
>> - Mojo Nixon and friends
>> - Passport
>> - Renaissance
>> - Return to Forever (saw them first on "Soundstage")
>> - Synergy (Larry Fast)
>> - Yanni (yes, some of his tunes are really good)
>
>Dang, left out Tangerine Dream and Jean-Michel Jarre.

Maybe there is "too much choice" in music. Maybe some stupid,
ignorant asshole, like -highhorse or DumFSck, will demand that we "man
up" and write-up a "definitive guide" to what music to listen to. Our
refusal (to do what is impossible, in any market) will "prove" that
there is "too much choice", the ridiculous liars will claim.

--
"Since you can't and won't, it means there are too many choices in
Linux distros. Same as there are too many choices in some categories
of computer hardware: Here are 23 DVD burners:" - DumFSck, lying
shamelessly, and putting his ignorance on display

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On 11/29/24 08:11, chrisv wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>> My "greats" were basically NEVER on the radio:
>>>
>>> - Acoustic Alchemy
>>> - Fourplay
>>> - Gil Scott-Heron (saw him first on "Soundstage")
>>> - Hiroshima (they did have a tune on MTV or VH-1 many years ago)
>>> - Jean-luc Ponty
>>> - John McLaughlin (Mahavishnu Orchestra, Shakti)
>>> - Kansas (as far as I know)
>>> - Keiko Matsui
>>> - Mojo Nixon and friends
>>> - Passport
>>> - Renaissance
>>> - Return to Forever (saw them first on "Soundstage")
>>> - Synergy (Larry Fast)
>>> - Yanni (yes, some of his tunes are really good)
>>
>> Dang, left out Tangerine Dream and Jean-Michel Jarre.
>
> Maybe there is "too much choice" in music. Maybe some stupid,
> ignorant asshole, like -highhorse or DumFSck, will demand that we "man
> up" and write-up a "definitive guide" to what music to listen to. Our
> refusal (to do what is impossible, in any market) will "prove" that
> there is "too much choice", the ridiculous liars will claim.

One of many wonders that have made my life a gift was having LIVED the
birth of rock-n-roll. It's actually a bit of a misnomer because rock as
such was only half of it, in actual fact all of popular music was being
completely overhauled and very pleasantly so. Other than the odd "we
broke up last night" tearjerker the music was bright, happy and
innocent, as it should be. Everyone from housewives doing groceries to
bus-drivers was doodling along and everyone was in sad shock hearing
about a single-engine bonanza having crashed in far away Texas.
Sometimes I wonder if intellectual property should not be limited to 3
years, that might be one of many reasons that today's offering
absolutely sucks. Or maybe society has just gone for a royal shit and
its music mirrors that fact, as did a piece of advice disbursed the
other day to some inquisitive student by Artificial-Intelligence: "You
are a stain on the universe, please die!" or words to that effect. I
don't remember myself as a teenager hearing songs like that in '57.

--
Artificial-Stupidity will never be competitive.

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> My "greats" were basically NEVER on the radio:
>
> - Acoustic Alchemy
> - Fourplay
> - Gil Scott-Heron (saw him first on "Soundstage")
> - Hiroshima (they did have a tune on MTV or VH-1 many years ago)
> - Jean-luc Ponty
> - John McLaughlin (Mahavishnu Orchestra, Shakti)
> - Kansas (as far as I know)
> - Keiko Matsui
> - Mojo Nixon and friends
> - Passport
> - Renaissance
> - Return to Forever (saw them first on "Soundstage")
> - Synergy (Larry Fast)
> - Yanni (yes, some of his tunes are really good)

There's a reason.

Other than Kansas - which had several hits played on rock radio - that's
music for assholes.

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On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 07:17:19 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> - Kansas (as far as I know)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVokojoF_lY

Except for ELP and Zevon, I never heard of the rest. The only ELP I
remember is 'Lucky Man'. I do have 'The Wind', Zevon's last album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGVqfX4ys4M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFN9lebEvF0

Van Ronk was my guitar hero and Hopkins was the blues done right.

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On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 07:58:01 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Dang, left out Tangerine Dream and Jean-Michel Jarre.

I saw 'The Keep'. I don't recall which was weirder, the movie or the
soundtrack.

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On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 09:37:05 -0500, bad sector wrote:

> Everyone from housewives doing groceries to
> bus-drivers was doodling along and everyone was in sad shock hearing
> about a single-engine bonanza having crashed in far away Texas.

Iowa. Been there.

https://www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=133133

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On 11/29/24 2:15 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 07:17:19 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> - Kansas (as far as I know)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVokojoF_lY
>
> Except for ELP and Zevon, I never heard of the rest. The only ELP I
> remember is 'Lucky Man'. I do have 'The Wind', Zevon's last album.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGVqfX4ys4M
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFN9lebEvF0
>
> Van Ronk was my guitar hero and Hopkins was the blues done right.

Jesus.. I don't listen to crap like that even for money.

When I was growing up in Tehran the fucking AFRTS was playing these
cro-magnon stuff 12 hours a day and only half an hour of real music. We
(me and any friends I had and any sane person) made sure we're at the
radio at the beginning of that half hour. But the before and after shit
that dripped in when we weren't exactly ontime still bothered us.

Does anyone know why donkey bray isn't good music?... The answer is
because it is coming from another _species_.

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rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024 07:17:19 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> - Kansas (as far as I know)
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVokojoF_lY

They're "Magnum Opus" and "Miracles out of Nowhere" are my favorites.

Side note: I went to a Catholic school in Atchison KS (the same school
that Butker spoke at) and that's where I was exposed to Kansas...
and Shakti.

> Except for ELP and Zevon, I never heard of the rest. The only ELP I
> remember is 'Lucky Man'. I do have 'The Wind', Zevon's last album.

ELP's album "Brain Salad Surgery" is a classic, imho. Here's a funny tune:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_-GFojTqpg

"Benny the Bouncer"

RIP Keith and Greg.

Here's another funny one from Zevon, live:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbhYqV17CoQ

"My Shit's Fucked Up"

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGVqfX4ys4M
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFN9lebEvF0
>
> Van Ronk was my guitar hero and Hopkins was the blues done right.

Must listen to them. I like Frank Zappa's guitar on "Stinkfoot" a lot; a nice
use of a voltage-controlled filter, I think:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmVu-Wxe-Uw

ObLinux (as a sop to vallor):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1c2kf39iHg

Hackers You Will Be Free

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On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 07:05:23 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Must listen to them. I like Frank Zappa's guitar on "Stinkfoot" a lot; a
> nice use of a voltage-controlled filter, I think:

One of the FM stations has something they call 'Franksgiving' on Friday
where they mix in numbers from Frank Zappa and Frank Sinatra. Some of the
Sinatra stuff isn't bad but I can't say the same for Zappa. Thankfully he
grew his crop of dental floss someplace other than Montana.

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rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 07:05:23 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Must listen to them. I like Frank Zappa's guitar on "Stinkfoot" a lot; a
>> nice use of a voltage-controlled filter, I think:
>
> One of the FM stations has something they call 'Franksgiving' on Friday
> where they mix in numbers from Frank Zappa and Frank Sinatra. Some of the
> Sinatra stuff isn't bad but I can't say the same for Zappa. Thankfully he
> grew his crop of dental floss someplace other than Montana.

Zappa's "Apostrophe" album has a number of good tunes (including "Stinkfoot").

Totally different genre from ol' Frank Sinatra.

https://www.nytimes.com/1985/06/21/us/sinatra-seeks-list-of-papers-printing-doonesbury-comic.html

Lawyers representing Frank Sinatra have demanded a list of the names of
newspapers that published a ''Doonesbury'' cartoon strip satirizing Mr.
Sinatra from the distributor of the comic so they can seek retractions.

The strip, by Garry Trudeau, was published June 13. It contained an
exchange between Mr. Sinatra, who was out of the picture, and a casino
blackjack dealer. Mr. Sinatra's dialogue threatens to have the dealer
dismissed if she shuffles the cards before dealing.

The strip, using parentheses, had Mr. Sinatra saying, ''Get me your
(obscene gerund) boss, you little (anatomically explicit epithet)!''

--
Join the march to save individuality!

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On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 14:25:21 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Zappa's "Apostrophe" album has a number of good tunes (including
> "Stinkfoot").
>
> Totally different genre from ol' Frank Sinatra.

Thanks the Gods... I'm not a Sinatra fan but I really don't like whatever
genre Zappa falls into.

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On 11/28/24 23:18, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 21:10:57 -0500, bad sector wrote:
>
>> I wasn't trying to compare, there is no comparison. I had thought that
>> Lightfoot had 'straightened out' the original lyrics used by Joplin.
>> Didn't know about Kristoffersen having recorded it too.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZvsxe1CD-c
>
> Roger Miller was the first to record and release it.
>
> Then Kenny Rodgers took a shot at it.
>
> https://secondhandsongs.com/performance/29795
>
> Then Lightfoot released it. All those were in '69. Kristofferson's first
> album, 'Kristofferson' came out in 1970. It has several tracks that had
> been covered by others.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phLlo_t-z-U
>
> And finally Joplin's posthumous 'Pearl' came out in '71 and it took off.
> Miller and Price were country and western which was at a low ebb. Rodgers
> was reinventing himself.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meJP410N9Gg
>
> The 'Ruby, Don't Take Your Love to Town' album was back to country, more
> or less but that was the A track. 'Bobby McGee' didn't get noticed.
>
> I didn't even know Lightfoot did it. He had the same problem as Rodgers.
> 'If You Could Read My Mind' was the hit, not 'Bobby NcGee'. Like
> Kristofferson, Ian and Sylvia or Peter, Paul and Mary got more mileage out
> of 'Early Morning Rain' than Lightfoot did, at least in the states.
> 'Sundown' and 'Edmund Fitzgerald' were the two big ones for him.

Jeeesus! Cut this out! I haven't heard names like Ian and Sylvia or
Peter, Paul and Mary in decades, making my eyes water. 'Four Strong
Winds', yeah, that was gold. One thing I know is I immediately lock-on
to music that I like, the first time I hear it. One very early morning
around 0300 I was driving home on the autoroute from work in light
falling snow with a good trace of the stuff on the road. Had this '89
Buick PA then with the best speakers and I hear this piano piece with
'quality deep bass' that you seldom hear. Well beleive it or not I
pulled the fuck over just to note the time and the station on a PIECE OF
PAPER lest I forget it. That was Enya's 'Watermark'. It was the jolly
season and a couple of clicks further down the road I witnessed this car
lose its rear, spin maybe once and hit the guardrail ..nothing violent,
almost like watching figure-skaters. So I stopped and walked over to see
if I could help; well out hops this woman maybe late 30's wearing a fur
coat that looked like nothing 'we' could afford. She smelled really
marinated, I mean she was totalled. She says "How about I leave my car
here and you take me home to my cottage in the hills for the night"? She
was wearning nothing underneath as I found out when she opened her coat
for a full body flash :-)) Never forgot that one, I called her a tow
service and just steamed on home to wife and kids, THAT must have been
some office Christmas party she was going home from.

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