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Subject: Breakdown of a Pro Drive
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Here is the partition breakdown of my main HDD which contains
the professional GNU/Linux OSS:

[~]# gdisk -l /dev/sda

[...]

Number Start (sector) End (sector) Size Code Name
1 2048 629147647 300.0 GiB 8300 books
2 629147648 1048578047 200.0 GiB 8300 net-cache+other
3 1048578048 1677723647 300.0 GiB 8300 rootusr
4 1677723648 1811941375 64.0 GiB 8200 swap
5 1811941376 2650802175 400.0 GiB 8300 tmp
6 2650802176 3070232575 200.0 GiB 8300 opt
7 3070232576 3489662975 200.0 GiB 8300 docs
8 3489662976 3907028991 199.0 GiB 8300 music+other

The actual OS is contained in the partitions rootusr, tmp, and opt,
but net-cache is also needed as it contains all data used by email
clients, browsers, and other network apps.

Frequently used data is contained in the other partitions.

Another HDD (not shown here) is also used to contain oodles of
other data.

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Subject: Re: Breakdown of a Pro Drive
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On 11/24/24 5:57 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
> Here is the partition breakdown of my main HDD which contains
> the professional GNU/Linux OSS:
>
> [~]# gdisk -l /dev/sda
>
> [...]
>
> Number Start (sector) End (sector) Size Code Name
> 1 2048 629147647 300.0 GiB 8300 books
> 2 629147648 1048578047 200.0 GiB 8300 net-cache+other
> 3 1048578048 1677723647 300.0 GiB 8300 rootusr
> 4 1677723648 1811941375 64.0 GiB 8200 swap
> 5 1811941376 2650802175 400.0 GiB 8300 tmp
> 6 2650802176 3070232575 200.0 GiB 8300 opt
> 7 3070232576 3489662975 200.0 GiB 8300 docs
> 8 3489662976 3907028991 199.0 GiB 8300 music+other
>

Oh, so just a 2TB HDD.

Since a 2TB SSD costs ~$100 today, vs replacing a dying 2TB HDD ($45),
its just a ~$55 upgrade. Probably the only good reason not to would be
if the PC isn't expected to be used for another ~12 months.

-hh

Subject: Re: Breakdown of a Pro Drive
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On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 07:18:10 -0500, -hh wrote:

>
> Since a 2TB SSD costs ~$100 today, vs replacing a dying 2TB HDD ($45),
>

Wrong again.

2TB HDD is $100:

https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-red-pro-sata-hdd?sku=WD2002FFSX

Then there's shipping.

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Subject: Re: Breakdown of a Pro Drive
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Le 24-11-2024, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :
> Here is the partition breakdown of my main HDD which contains
> the professional GNU/Linux OSS:
>
> [~]# gdisk -l /dev/sda
>
> [...]
>
> Number Start (sector) End (sector) Size Code Name
> 1 2048 629147647 300.0 GiB 8300 books
> 2 629147648 1048578047 200.0 GiB 8300 net-cache+other
> 3 1048578048 1677723647 300.0 GiB 8300 rootusr
> 4 1677723648 1811941375 64.0 GiB 8200 swap
> 5 1811941376 2650802175 400.0 GiB 8300 tmp
> 6 2650802176 3070232575 200.0 GiB 8300 opt
> 7 3070232576 3489662975 200.0 GiB 8300 docs
> 8 3489662976 3907028991 199.0 GiB 8300 music+other

In the beginning, I followed advices about a lot of partitions, but now,
I don't see why it's useful on a desktop computer. Of course, to be able
to boot on UEFI, one need to have a VFAT file system. So either a VFAT
partition or a full VFAT file system. As I don't see any VFAT partition,
on your list, I believe, stuck in the past as you are, you are still
using the legacy mode of the BIOS. I won't say I'm surprised.

And the second important partition is the swap, which you have, I'm
surprised. OK, now, it's not mandatory anymore, one can use a swap file
but it's not as good as a swap partition, so I'm surprised you did the
right choice.

But for the other partitions, I don't see the point. To have a /tmp
partition means you'll have more read and write IO on this part of the
disk than in any other parts. OK, you prefer slow old school HDD to fast
modern SSD so that's not as important. But it means that when you have
more failed sectors in that partition, the kernel will have less choices
to put the data. So maybe your issue with the hard drive came from your
way to have too much useless partitions on your disk.

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Subject: Re: Breakdown of a Pro Drive
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On 24 Nov 2024 13:51:23 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> you are still
> using the legacy mode of the BIOS.
>

Damned correct.

Why use that boated UEFI? So I can show cartoons during boot?

I don't use GRUB either. I use syslinux to boot.

But YOU have to use both UEFI and GRUB because you literally
CANNOT use anything else. You distro dictates everything on
your machine and you are helpless to change it.

You are a disgusting lackey.

>
> And the second important partition is the swap,
>

I always set up swap even though it is NEVER used by
the system.

>
> But for the other partitions, I don't see the point.
>

You can't see your fucking hand in front of your fucking
face.

Do not question my decisions. Only behold the splendor
thereof.

I am master. You are lackey.

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Subject: Re: Breakdown of a Pro Drive
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On 11/24/24 8:36 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 07:18:10 -0500, -hh wrote:
>
>>
>> Since a 2TB SSD costs ~$100 today, vs replacing a dying 2TB HDD ($45),
>>
>
> Wrong again.
>
> 2TB HDD is $100:
>
> https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-red-pro-sata-hdd?sku=WD2002FFSX
>
> Then there's shipping.

Except that a higher price makes a SSD even more compelling, not less.

Particularly for small HDD capacities such as your 2TB, because from a
cost per TB perspective, you're at $100/2TB = $50/TB...

....vs the Seagate IronWolf Pro 14TB (ST14000NE0008) for $235 at NewEgg,
which works out to $17.50/TB .. similar to Scott's link to a 22TB
IronWolf Pro (ST22000NT001) for $400, which works out to $18/TB.

-hh

Subject: Re: Breakdown of a Pro Drive
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Le 24-11-2024, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :
> On 24 Nov 2024 13:51:23 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> you are still
>> using the legacy mode of the BIOS.
>>
>
> Damned correct.

That was easy.

> Why use that boated UEFI?

Because it comes with your computer, it's mandatory to start your
computer and running it in legacy mode doesn't stop you to use it. It
only limits the ways you can use it.

> So I can show cartoons during boot?

Nope, so I simplify my boot startup. I removed a useless BIOS to use a
useful UEFI. That's way beyond you capacity, I'm not surprised you can't
understand its purpose.

> I don't use GRUB either.

Of course, it's too modern for you.

> I use syslinux to boot.

What for? You have installed Windows next to your Linux distro and you
need to switch between them? You are afraid to break your computer when
you upgrade your kernel and want to be able to start the old version?
You want a nice startup toy? You like having a bloated system? Your
distro comes with it and you don't know how to change? You are unable to
have a simple startup system? The only tuto you were able to follow was
using syslinux? You believe it's better because it's less well known?

Many answers are possible.

> But YOU have to use both UEFI and GRUB because you literally
> CANNOT use anything else. You distro dictates everything on
> your machine and you are helpless to change it.

Wrong. Again. As with anything modern you can't understand how it can
benefit you. That's the difference between us: I look at what's modern
and chose if it's good for me or not. When you avoid everything modern
because it's too complex for you.

> You are a disgusting lackey.

Let's compare our ways to start our computer and look at which is the
simplest one and which is the bloated one:

- My way:
- launch UEFI
- UEFI starts Linux
- done
- Your usual way:
- launch UEFI
- UEFI switches to legacy mode
- UEFI in legacy mode launches syslinux
- syslinux asks you if you prefer to launch Linux for once of if you
stick with Windows as always
- you start Windows
- you remember you wanted to do a video to share on cola and need
Linux
- you reboot your computer
- launch UEFI
- UEFI switch to legacy mode
- UEFI in legacy mode launches syslinux
- syslinux asks you the same question again
- you remember you need to launch Linux and chose that option
- syslinux starts Linux
- done
- Your optimized way:
- launch UEFI
- UEFI switches to legacy mode
- UEFI in legacy mode launches syslinux
- syslinux asks you if you want to start Linux because you couldn't
configure any other options and you didn't understood the purpose
of a multiboot manager
- you chose to start your only option available which is Linux
because you have a useless boot managers which has nothing to
manage
- syslinux launches Linux.
- done

You are allowed to consider my way of using only one tool to launch
Linux is bloated compared to your ways of using two tools including the
one I'm using. It's why I find you funny. You can only manage to find
the worst way of doing things believing it's the most efficient.

Like it or not no computer comes with BIOS anymore. They all come with
UEFI. The possibility to switch to legacy mode doesn't prevent you to
use UEFI. It only prevent you to use its full capacity. Which avoid
using GURB, LILO, syslinux, whatever. When you add one tool to your
bootstrap, you make your system more bloated, not less.

It can have some purposes, but not in my case. Not in your case.

>> But for the other partitions, I don't see the point.
>
> You can't see your fucking hand in front of your fucking
> face.

It's not an explanation, it's a badge of honor.

I can see two reasons to have more than one partition after the swap
and the boot partition. I can see that your partitions doesn't explain
any of them and you can't either.

> Do not question my decisions. Only behold the splendor
> thereof.

Yes, RUN FORREST! RUN!

> I am master. You are lackey.

Yes, you are the master of you constantly failing computer. I saw some
of your messages about it. When I'm the lackey of my perfectly well
functioning computer. I wouldn't switch sides for anything.

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On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 10:06:45 -0500, -hh wrote:

>
> Except that a higher price makes a SSD even more compelling...
>

.... to an ignoramus asshole.

Consumer grade SSD technology is junk and only an idiot would
entrust his data to such garbage.

>
> ...vs the Seagate IronWolf Pro 14TB (ST14000NE0008) for $235 at NewEgg,
>

Who would purchase a 50-room mansion when only 10 rooms are
ever needed?

It is better to use two 2TB drives than one 4TB drive.
I will allow you to ponder the reason.

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On 24 Nov 2024 15:47:20 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

>
> Nope, so I simplify my boot startup. I removed a useless BIOS to use a
> useful UEFI. That's way beyond you capacity, I'm not surprised you can't
> understand its purpose.
>

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

What is booting?

Booting, on GNU/Linux, is just locating a kernel image on the
disk drive, loading it, and then passing control to it.

That's fucking all.

What more could anyone want?

As long as motherboards contain the simple BIOS, and
most of them do, I will use it.

Fuck you and fuck UEFI.

Also, syslinux has nothing whatsoever to do with booting
Winblows. Idiot.

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Subject: Re: Breakdown of a Pro Drive
From: -hh
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On 11/24/24 11:37 AM, Farley Flud wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 10:06:45 -0500, -hh wrote:
>
>>
>> Except that a higher price makes a SSD even more compelling...
>>
>
> ... to an ignoramus asshole.
>
> Consumer grade SSD technology is junk and only an idiot would
> entrust his data to such garbage.

Try checking the MTBF specifications for each.

>> ...vs the Seagate IronWolf Pro 14TB (ST14000NE0008) for $235 at NewEgg,
>
> Who would purchase a 50-room mansion when only 10 rooms are
> ever needed?

That you're a lightweight isn't my problem:

current consumer cameras include one with a 24MB sensor (35MB/image) and
with a 40fps burst rate: 35 * 40 = 1.4GB/sec data generation.

> It is better to use two 2TB drives than one 4TB drive.
> I will allow you to ponder the reason.

It depends on the metric: are you gauging data availability, or
minimizing capital cost, or even minimizing power consumption?

-hh

Subject: Re: Breakdown of a Pro Drive
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On 24 Nov 2024 15:47:20 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

>
>> So I can show cartoons during boot?
>
> Nope, so I simplify my boot startup. I removed a useless BIOS to use a
> useful UEFI. That's way beyond you capacity, I'm not surprised you can't
> understand its purpose.
>

Explain how UEFI is "useful."

Booting is fucking trivial. Just load the goddamned kernel from
disk and pass it control. Very fucking simple.

But UEFI has bloat, bloat, and useless fucking bloat. That is
its only fucking "purpose."

You don't know because you are a LACKEY.

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Subject: Re: Breakdown of a Pro Drive
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Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote at 20:31 this Monday (GMT):
> On 24 Nov 2024 15:47:20 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>>
>>> So I can show cartoons during boot?
>>
>> Nope, so I simplify my boot startup. I removed a useless BIOS to use a
>> useful UEFI. That's way beyond you capacity, I'm not surprised you can't
>> understand its purpose.
>>
>
> Explain how UEFI is "useful."
>
> Booting is fucking trivial. Just load the goddamned kernel from
> disk and pass it control. Very fucking simple.
>
> But UEFI has bloat, bloat, and useless fucking bloat. That is
> its only fucking "purpose."
>
> You don't know because you are a LACKEY.

UEFI has better compatibility with certain file formats, I think.
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