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* Both KDE and GNOME to offer official distrosrbowman
`* Re: Both KDE and GNOME to offer official distrosChris Ahlstrom
 `- Re: Both KDE and GNOME to offer official distrosrbowman

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Subject: Both KDE and GNOME to offer official distros
From: rbowman
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2024 23:59 UTC
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From: bowman@montana.com (rbowman)
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Subject: Both KDE and GNOME to offer official distros
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https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/29/kde_and_gnome_distros/

I've got to admit I wonder why. I never thought of KDE as European and
GNOME as American even though I started using KDE with SuSE, Qt always had
licensing problems but I never could warm to functions like
gtk_native_get_surface_transform(). Damn API could wear out a keyboard.

Subject: Re: Both KDE and GNOME to offer official distros
From: Chris Ahlstrom
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rbowman wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> https://www.theregister.com/2024/11/29/kde_and_gnome_distros/
>
> I've got to admit I wonder why. I never thought of KDE as European and
> GNOME as American even though I started using KDE with SuSE, Qt always had
> licensing problems but I never could warm to functions like
> gtk_native_get_surface_transform(). Damn API could wear out a keyboard.

Those motherforkers!!!

I forked a project that used Gtkmm (a wrapper around Gtk) and I liked many
aspects of it better than Qt. But when I forked my fork, I decided to go with
Qt for a couple of reasons. (1) I started with the code of another fork of the
project, which used Qt, and it made it easier for me to gain traction; and
(2) Looking around, it seemed (and still seems) that Qt's cross-platform
support is a bit more reliable (for various meanings of reliable).

Of course, I reworked the fork heavily to my exacting standards, used code in
the std namespace (e.g. std::string rather than QString) for the internal
project API, and wrote some Qt "helper" functions to centralize things like
adding icons to buttons.

As for using a lot of keystrokes...

https://www.lysator.liu.se/c/ten-commandments.html

6 If a function be advertised to return an error code in the event of
difficulties, thou shalt check for that code, yea, even though the checks
triple the size of thy code and produce aches in thy typing fingers, for if
thou thinkest ``it cannot happen to me'', the gods shall surely punish thee
for thy arrogance.

I don't follow C commandments 8 and 9, though.

--
You know you have a small apartment when Rice Krispies echo.
-- S. Rickly Christian

Subject: Re: Both KDE and GNOME to offer official distros
From: rbowman
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2024 19:27 UTC
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On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 06:51:34 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> I forked a project that used Gtkmm (a wrapper around Gtk) and I liked
> many aspects of it better than Qt. But when I forked my fork, I decided
> to go with Qt for a couple of reasons. (1) I started with the code of
> another fork of the project, which used Qt, and it made it easier for me
> to gain traction; and (2) Looking around, it seemed (and still seems)
> that Qt's cross-platform support is a bit more reliable (for various
> meanings of reliable).

Marketing complained that the Motif based GUIs looked 'dated' although the
clients didn't seem to mind. I looked at several options that were cross-
platform. I liked Qt but Trolltech's commercial licensing was designed by
trolls. wxWindows that is now wxWidgets looked good. Gtk was way down the
list.

It would have been a massive undertaking since a lot of the business logic
had become wrapped up in Motif over the years. After kicking that can for
years a web based Angular approach was used for a fresh start.

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