'California proposes its own EV buyer credit — which could cut out Elon
Musk's Tesla'

<https://autos.yahoo.com/california-proposes-own-ev-buyer-011550035.html>

'Gov. Gavin Newsom plans to revive California's EV rebate if Trump ends
the federal tax credit.

But Tesla, the largest maker of EVs, would be excluded under the
proposal.

Elon Musk criticized Tesla's potential exclusion from the rebate.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom is preparing to step in if President-elect
Donald Trump fulfills his promise to axe the federal electric-vehicle
tax credit — but one notable EV maker could be left out.

Newsom said Monday if the $7,500 federal tax credit is eliminated he
would restart the state's zero-emission vehicle rebate program, which
was phased out in 2023.

"We will intervene if the Trump Administration eliminates the federal
tax credit, doubling down on our commitment to clean air and green jobs
in California," Newsom said in a statement. "We're not turning back on a
clean transportation future — we're going to make it more affordable for
people to drive vehicles that don't pollute."

The rebates for EV buyers would come from the state's Greenhouse Gas
Reduction Fund, which is funded by polluters of greenhouse gases under a
cap-and-trade program, according to the governor's office.

But Tesla's vehicles could be excluded under the proposal's market-share
limitations, Bloomberg News first reported.

The governor's office confirmed to Business Insider that the rebate
program could include a market-share cap which could in turn exclude
Tesla or other EV makers. The office did not share details about what
market-share limit could be proposed and also noted the proposal would
be subject to negotiations in the state legislature.

A market-share cap would exclude companies whose sales account for a
certain amount of total electric vehicle sales. For instance, Tesla
accounted for nearly 55% off all new electric vehicles registered in
California in the first three quarters of 2024, according to a report
from the California New Car Dealers Association. By comparison, the
companies with the next highest EV market share in California were
Hyundai and BMW with 5.6% and 5% respectively.

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Images
Gov. Gavin Newsom plans to revive California's EV rebate if Trump ends
the federal tax credit.

But Tesla, the largest maker of EVs, would be excluded under the
proposal.

Elon Musk criticized Tesla's potential exclusion from the rebate.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom is preparing to step in if President-elect
Donald Trump fulfills his promise to axe the federal electric-vehicle
tax credit — but one notable EV maker could be left out.

Newsom said Monday if the $7,500 federal tax credit is eliminated he
would restart the state's zero-emission vehicle rebate program, which
was phased out in 2023.

"We will intervene if the Trump Administration eliminates the federal
tax credit, doubling down on our commitment to clean air and green jobs
in California," Newsom said in a statement. "We're not turning back on a
clean transportation future — we're going to make it more affordable for
people to drive vehicles that don't pollute."

The rebates for EV buyers would come from the state's Greenhouse Gas
Reduction Fund, which is funded by polluters of greenhouse gases under a
cap-and-trade program, according to the governor's office.

But Tesla's vehicles could be excluded under the proposal's market-share
limitations, Bloomberg News first reported.

The governor's office confirmed to Business Insider that the rebate
program could include a market-share cap which could in turn exclude
Tesla or other EV makers. The office did not share details about what
market-share limit could be proposed and also noted the proposal would
be subject to negotiations in the state legislature.

A market-share cap would exclude companies whose sales account for a
certain amount of total electric vehicle sales. For instance, Tesla
accounted for nearly 55% off all new electric vehicles registered in
California in the first three quarters of 2024, according to a report
from the California New Car Dealers Association. By comparison, the
companies with the next highest EV market share in California were
Hyundai and BMW with 5.6% and 5% respectively.

Tesla sales in California, the US's largest EV market, have recently
declined even as overall EV sales in the state have grown. Though the
company still accounted for a majority of EV sales in California this
year as of September, its market share fell year-over-year from 64% to
55%.

The governor's office said the market-share cap would be aimed at
promoting competition and innovation in the industry.

Elon Musk, who has expressed support for ending the federal tax credit,
said in an X post it was "insane" for the California proposal exclude
Tesla.

The federal electric vehicle tax credit, which was passed as part of the
Biden administration's Inflation Reduction Act in 2022, provides a
$7,500 tax credit to some EV buyers.

Musk, who is working closely with the incoming Trump administration, has
expressed support for ending the tax credit. He's set to co-lead an
advisory commission, the Department of Government Efficiency, which is
aimed at slashing federal spending.

The Tesla CEO said on an earnings call in July that ending the federal
tax credit might actually benefit the company.

"I think it would be devastating for our competitors and for Tesla
slightly," Musk said. "But long-term probably actually helps Tesla,
would be my guess."

BI's Graham Rapier previously reported that ending the tax credit could
help Tesla maintain its strong standing in the EV market by slowing its
competitors growth.

Prior to the EV rebate proposal, Newsom has already positioned himself
as a foil to the incoming Trump administration. Following Trump's
election win the governor called on California lawmakers to convene for
a special session to discuss protecting the state from Trump's second
term.

"The freedoms we hold dear in California are under attack — and we won't
sit idle," Newsom said in a statement at the time.

On 2024-11-26, John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 'California proposes its own EV buyer credit — which could cut out Elon
> Musk's Tesla'
>
><https://autos.yahoo.com/california-proposes-own-ev-buyer-011550035.html>
>
> 'Gov. Gavin Newsom plans to revive California's EV rebate if Trump ends
> the federal tax credit.
>
> But Tesla, the largest maker of EVs, would be excluded under the
> proposal.
>
> Elon Musk criticized Tesla's potential exclusion from the rebate.
>
> California Gov. Gavin Newsom is preparing to step in if President-elect
> Donald Trump fulfills his promise to axe the federal electric-vehicle
> tax credit — but one notable EV maker could be left out.
>
> Newsom said Monday if the $7,500 federal tax credit is eliminated he
> would restart the state's zero-emission vehicle rebate program, which
> was phased out in 2023.
>
> "We will intervene if the Trump Administration eliminates the federal
> tax credit, doubling down on our commitment to clean air and green jobs
> in California," Newsom said in a statement. "We're not turning back on a
> clean transportation future — we're going to make it more affordable for
> people to drive vehicles that don't pollute."
>
> The rebates for EV buyers would come from the state's Greenhouse Gas
> Reduction Fund, which is funded by polluters of greenhouse gases under a
> cap-and-trade program, according to the governor's office.
>
> But Tesla's vehicles could be excluded under the proposal's market-share
> limitations, Bloomberg News first reported.
>
> The governor's office confirmed to Business Insider that the rebate
> program could include a market-share cap which could in turn exclude
> Tesla or other EV makers. The office did not share details about what
> market-share limit could be proposed and also noted the proposal would
> be subject to negotiations in the state legislature.
>
> A market-share cap would exclude companies whose sales account for a
> certain amount of total electric vehicle sales. For instance, Tesla
> accounted for nearly 55% off all new electric vehicles registered in
> California in the first three quarters of 2024, according to a report
> from the California New Car Dealers Association. By comparison, the
> companies with the next highest EV market share in California were
> Hyundai and BMW with 5.6% and 5% respectively.
>
> '186
>
> The biggest lawsuits Elon Musk is facingScroll back up to restore
> default view.
> Kelsey Vlamis
> Mon, November 25, 2024 at 8:15 PM EST·3 min read
> Close-up photos of Gavin Newsom and Elon Musk
> Gov. Gavin Newsom's proposal for an EV buyer credit would exclude Elon
> Musk's Tesla models.Mario Tama/Getty Images; Allison Robbert-Pool/Getty
> Images
> Gov. Gavin Newsom plans to revive California's EV rebate if Trump ends
> the federal tax credit.
>
> But Tesla, the largest maker of EVs, would be excluded under the
> proposal.
>
> Elon Musk criticized Tesla's potential exclusion from the rebate.
>
> California Gov. Gavin Newsom is preparing to step in if President-elect
> Donald Trump fulfills his promise to axe the federal electric-vehicle
> tax credit — but one notable EV maker could be left out.
>
> Newsom said Monday if the $7,500 federal tax credit is eliminated he
> would restart the state's zero-emission vehicle rebate program, which
> was phased out in 2023.
>
> "We will intervene if the Trump Administration eliminates the federal
> tax credit, doubling down on our commitment to clean air and green jobs
> in California," Newsom said in a statement. "We're not turning back on a
> clean transportation future — we're going to make it more affordable for
> people to drive vehicles that don't pollute."
>
> The rebates for EV buyers would come from the state's Greenhouse Gas
> Reduction Fund, which is funded by polluters of greenhouse gases under a
> cap-and-trade program, according to the governor's office.
>
> But Tesla's vehicles could be excluded under the proposal's market-share
> limitations, Bloomberg News first reported.
>
> The governor's office confirmed to Business Insider that the rebate
> program could include a market-share cap which could in turn exclude
> Tesla or other EV makers. The office did not share details about what
> market-share limit could be proposed and also noted the proposal would
> be subject to negotiations in the state legislature.
>
> A market-share cap would exclude companies whose sales account for a
> certain amount of total electric vehicle sales. For instance, Tesla
> accounted for nearly 55% off all new electric vehicles registered in
> California in the first three quarters of 2024, according to a report
> from the California New Car Dealers Association. By comparison, the
> companies with the next highest EV market share in California were
> Hyundai and BMW with 5.6% and 5% respectively.
>
> Tesla sales in California, the US's largest EV market, have recently
> declined even as overall EV sales in the state have grown. Though the
> company still accounted for a majority of EV sales in California this
> year as of September, its market share fell year-over-year from 64% to
> 55%.
>
> The governor's office said the market-share cap would be aimed at
> promoting competition and innovation in the industry.
>
> Elon Musk, who has expressed support for ending the federal tax credit,
> said in an X post it was "insane" for the California proposal exclude
> Tesla.
>
> The federal electric vehicle tax credit, which was passed as part of the
> Biden administration's Inflation Reduction Act in 2022, provides a
> $7,500 tax credit to some EV buyers.
>
> Musk, who is working closely with the incoming Trump administration, has
> expressed support for ending the tax credit. He's set to co-lead an
> advisory commission, the Department of Government Efficiency, which is
> aimed at slashing federal spending.
>
> The Tesla CEO said on an earnings call in July that ending the federal
> tax credit might actually benefit the company.
>
> "I think it would be devastating for our competitors and for Tesla
> slightly," Musk said. "But long-term probably actually helps Tesla,
> would be my guess."
>
> BI's Graham Rapier previously reported that ending the tax credit could
> help Tesla maintain its strong standing in the EV market by slowing its
> competitors growth.
>
> Prior to the EV rebate proposal, Newsom has already positioned himself
> as a foil to the incoming Trump administration. Following Trump's
> election win the governor called on California lawmakers to convene for
> a special session to discuss protecting the state from Trump's second
> term.
>
> "The freedoms we hold dear in California are under attack — and we won't
> sit idle," Newsom said in a statement at the time.

And the libbys keep claiming that Trump and the republicans are a threat to
democracy.
The democrats are the ones taking away your choices not the republicans.

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"Which Old Witch?"
"The Kamala Harris Witch. Of Course!"

pothead wrote:
>> "The freedoms we hold dear in California are under attack — and we won't
>> sit idle," Newsom said in a statement at the time.
> And the libbys keep claiming that Trump and the republicans are a threat to
> democracy.
> The democrats are the ones taking away your choices not the republicans.

It is a real shame that Californians have used their democracy to
reduce poisons children have to breathe.

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[Default] Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> typed:

>pothead wrote:
>>> "The freedoms we hold dear in California are under attack — and we won't
>>> sit idle," Newsom said in a statement at the time.
>> And the libbys keep claiming that Trump and the republicans are a threat to
>> democracy.
>> The democrats are the ones taking away your choices not the republicans.
>
>It is a real shame that Californians have used their democracy to
>reduce poisons children have to breathe.

It's an even bigger shame that Californians are too stupid to
understand concern for children has zero to do with it.

On 2024-11-26, Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter> wrote:
> [Default] Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> typed:
>
>>pothead wrote:
>>>> "The freedoms we hold dear in California are under attack — and we won't
>>>> sit idle," Newsom said in a statement at the time.
>>> And the libbys keep claiming that Trump and the republicans are a threat to
>>> democracy.
>>> The democrats are the ones taking away your choices not the republicans.
>>
>>It is a real shame that Californians have used their democracy to
>>reduce poisons children have to breathe.
>
> It's an even bigger shame that Californians are too stupid to
> understand concern for children has zero to do withttps://www.cecc.gov/events/hearings/from-cobalt-to-cars-how-china-exploits-child-and-forced-labor-in-the-congoh it.

Yes.
The dirty little secret the EV fans ignore.

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pothead wrote:
> On 2024-11-26, Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter> wrote:
>> [Default] Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> typed:
>>
>>> pothead wrote:
>>>>> "The freedoms we hold dear in California are under attack — and we won't
>>>>> sit idle," Newsom said in a statement at the time.
>>>> And the libbys keep claiming that Trump and the republicans are a threat to
>>>> democracy.
>>>> The democrats are the ones taking away your choices not the republicans.
>>>
>>> It is a real shame that Californians have used their democracy to
>>> reduce poisons children have to breathe.
>>
>> It's an even bigger shame that Californians are too stupid to
>> understand concern for children has zero to do withttps://www.cecc.gov/events/hearings/from-cobalt-to-cars-how-china-exploits-child-and-forced-labor-in-the-congoh it.
>
> Yes.
> The dirty little secret the EV fans ignore.
>

How does that compare to hick states making children work?

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Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
> [Default] Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> typed:
>
>> pothead wrote:
>>>> "The freedoms we hold dear in California are under attack — and we won't
>>>> sit idle," Newsom said in a statement at the time.
>>> And the libbys keep claiming that Trump and the republicans are a threat to
>>> democracy.
>>> The democrats are the ones taking away your choices not the republicans.
>>
>> It is a real shame that Californians have used their democracy to
>> reduce poisons children have to breathe.
>
> It's an even bigger shame that Californians are too stupid to
> understand concern for children has zero to do with it.
>

Why do you hate republicans's children?

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[Default] Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> typed:

>Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
>> [Default] Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> typed:
>>
>>> pothead wrote:
>>>>> "The freedoms we hold dear in California are under attack — and we won't
>>>>> sit idle," Newsom said in a statement at the time.
>>>> And the libbys keep claiming that Trump and the republicans are a threat to
>>>> democracy.
>>>> The democrats are the ones taking away your choices not the republicans.
>>>
>>> It is a real shame that Californians have used their democracy to
>>> reduce poisons children have to breathe.
>>
>> It's an even bigger shame that Californians are too stupid to
>> understand concern for children has zero to do with it.
>>
>
>Why do you hate republicans's children?

You must live in California

On 2024-11-26, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
> pothead wrote:
>> On 2024-11-26, Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter> wrote:
>>> [Default] Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> typed:
>>>
>>>> pothead wrote:
>>>>>> "The freedoms we hold dear in California are under attack — and we won't
>>>>>> sit idle," Newsom said in a statement at the time.
>>>>> And the libbys keep claiming that Trump and the republicans are a threat to
>>>>> democracy.
>>>>> The democrats are the ones taking away your choices not the republicans.
>>>>
>>>> It is a real shame that Californians have used their democracy to
>>>> reduce poisons children have to breathe.
>>>
>>> It's an even bigger shame that Californians are too stupid to
>>> understand concern for children has zero to do withttps://www.cecc.gov/events/hearings/from-cobalt-to-cars-how-china-exploits-child-and-forced-labor-in-the-congoh it.
>>
>> Yes.
>> The dirty little secret the EV fans ignore.
>>
>
> How does that compare to hick states making children work?
>
Like the 300,000 migrant children that Joe Biden and his administration
is unable to account for?
Yea, that's a crime.

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In news:vi77o6$1a33$1@dont-email.me, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com>
typed:

> Children, especially in the San Joaquin Valley, are injured by
> pollution. Our children are not to be sacrificed to Molech and Mammon.

Oh, California banned abortion?

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>
>> [Default] Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> typed:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Why do you hate republicans's children?
>>
>> You must live in California
>
> You catch on quick, bro! :-D

Because of ocean current and topography, this region's air
pollution predates the Spanish invasion. I do not know anywhere
else where nature conspires to poison the air this badly.

Other regions can adopt our measures to keep their air clean. Or
not. And, yes, the state government uses its power to compel to
force everyone to behave in certain ways.

Some winter mornings basins can have a nasty inversion layer. You
can be forced you can be punished for a smoky fireplace.
<https://www.sparetheair.org/understanding-air-quality/wood-burning-rule>

Diesel produces soot, so it is also being prohibitted. Besides
diesel and gasoline even hydrogen burning is hot enough to create
nitrogen and sulphur oxides. These can get stuck under an
inversion layer and then turn into acid when inhaled. Hence we are
going to batteries and fuel cells. We burn natural gas for
electricity, but the state plans to go all green.

Children, especially in the San Joaquin Valley, are injured by
pollution. Our children are not to be sacrificed to Molech and Mammon.

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Siri Cruise wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>
>>> [Default] Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> typed:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Why do you hate republicans's children?
>>>
>>> You must live in California
>>
>> You catch on quick, bro! :-D
>
> Because of ocean current and topography, this region's air
> pollution predates the Spanish invasion. I do not know anywhere
> else where nature conspires to poison the air this badly.
>
> Other regions can adopt our measures to keep their air clean. Or
> not. And, yes, the state government uses its power to compel to
> force everyone to behave in certain ways.
>
> Some winter mornings basins can have a nasty inversion layer. You
> can be forced you can be punished for a smoky fireplace.
> <https://www.sparetheair.org/understanding-air-quality/wood-burning-rule>
>
> Diesel produces soot, so it is also being prohibitted. Besides
> diesel and gasoline even hydrogen burning is hot enough to create
> nitrogen and sulphur oxides. These can get stuck under an
> inversion layer and then turn into acid when inhaled. Hence we are
> going to batteries and fuel cells. We burn natural gas for
> electricity, but the state plans to go all green.
>
> Children, especially in the San Joaquin Valley, are injured by
> pollution. Our children are not to be sacrificed to Molech and Mammon.

In the early 90's, when I lived in Chatsworth, going to and from work in
L.A., I would see a bowl of brown soup covering the San Fernando valley.

It's smelled like... civilization.

I remember a joke I saw on the tube about L.A.:

"I don't trust any air I can't see."

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On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 08:59:46 -0800, Siri Cruise
<chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:

>pothead wrote:
>>> "The freedoms we hold dear in California are under attack — and we won't
>>> sit idle," Newsom said in a statement at the time.
>> And the libbys keep claiming that Trump and the republicans are a threat to
>> democracy.
>> The democrats are the ones taking away your choices not the republicans.
>
>It is a real shame that Californians have used their democracy to
>reduce poisons children have to breathe.

Of course having huge numbers of drug addicts laying in their streets
is not a concern...

On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 23:50:28 -0000 (UTC), pothead
<pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>On 2024-11-26, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
>> pothead wrote:
>>> On 2024-11-26, Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter> wrote:
>>>> [Default] Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> typed:
>>>>
>>>>> pothead wrote:
>>>>>>> "The freedoms we hold dear in California are under attack ? and we won't
>>>>>>> sit idle," Newsom said in a statement at the time.
>>>>>> And the libbys keep claiming that Trump and the republicans are a threat to
>>>>>> democracy.
>>>>>> The democrats are the ones taking away your choices not the republicans.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is a real shame that Californians have used their democracy to
>>>>> reduce poisons children have to breathe.
>>>>
>>>> It's an even bigger shame that Californians are too stupid to
>>>> understand concern for children has zero to do withttps://www.cecc.gov/events/hearings/from-cobalt-to-cars-how-china-exploits-child-and-forced-labor-in-the-congoh it.
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>> The dirty little secret the EV fans ignore.
>>>
>>
>> How does that compare to hick states making children work?
>>
>Like the 300,000 migrant children that Joe Biden and his administration
>is unable to account for?
>Yea, that's a crime.

One that the left seems to be perfectly ok with.

On 2024-11-27, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 23:50:28 -0000 (UTC), pothead
><pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2024-11-26, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> pothead wrote:
>>>> On 2024-11-26, Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter> wrote:
>>>>> [Default] Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> typed:
>>>>>
>>>>>> pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>> "The freedoms we hold dear in California are under attack ? and we won't
>>>>>>>> sit idle," Newsom said in a statement at the time.
>>>>>>> And the libbys keep claiming that Trump and the republicans are a threat to
>>>>>>> democracy.
>>>>>>> The democrats are the ones taking away your choices not the republicans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is a real shame that Californians have used their democracy to
>>>>>> reduce poisons children have to breathe.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's an even bigger shame that Californians are too stupid to
>>>>> understand concern for children has zero to do withttps://www.cecc.gov/events/hearings/from-cobalt-to-cars-how-china-exploits-child-and-forced-labor-in-the-congoh it.
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>> The dirty little secret the EV fans ignore.
>>>>
>>>
>>> How does that compare to hick states making children work?
>>>
>>Like the 300,000 migrant children that Joe Biden and his administration
>>is unable to account for?
>>Yea, that's a crime.
>
> One that the left seems to be perfectly ok with.

NewsMax ran a segment with a reporter at the border showing young, unacompanied, children
crossing.
One was a 2 year old girl !!
Two years old?
They interviewed her, in Spanish, and I was surprised that she was able to answer
questions like age, where are you from, where are you going to etc.
Pretty smart 2 year old.

She carried a piece of paper with her that had a phone number she was to call once she
made it to US.

This is crazy!!!!
And Biden and the libbys ignore it as if it isn't happening.
It needs to stop.

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pothead wrote:
> And Biden and the libbys ignore it as if it isn't happening.
> It needs to stop.

If she asked for asylum, it would be illegal to stop her, and she
remains until she gets a hearing. There is no law to allow asylum
requests to be denied.

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pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>On 2024-11-27, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Nov 2024 23:50:28 -0000 (UTC), pothead
>><pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>>the 300,000 migrant children that Joe Biden and his administration
>>>is unable to account for?
>>>Yea, that's a crime.
>>
>> One that the left seems to be perfectly ok with.
>
>NewsMax ran a segment with a reporter at the border showing young, unacompanied, children
>crossing.
>One was a 2 year old girl !!
>Two years old?
>They interviewed her, in Spanish, and I was surprised that she was able to answer
>questions like age, where are you from, where are you going to etc.
>Pretty smart 2 year old.
>
>She carried a piece of paper with her that had a phone number she was to call once she
>made it to US.
>
>This is crazy!!!!
>And Biden and the libbys ignore it as if it isn't happening.
>It needs to stop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZkEOctGl8w

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-11-27, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> max headroom wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>
>> In news:vi77o6$1a33$1@dont-email.me, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com>
>> typed:
>>
>>> Children, especially in the San Joaquin Valley, are injured by
>>> pollution. Our children are not to be sacrificed to Molech and Mammon.
>>
>> Oh, California banned abortion?
>
> Abortion (and miscarriage) affect emryos and non-viable fetuses.
>
> They aren't children until they are out of the womb.

So a baby in the womb pressing a foot into the mother which shows up outside
on her baby bump isn't a living human?

Yet bacteria found on Mars is considered life.

You are sick.

--
pothead

"Ding Dong The Witch Is Gone"
"Which Old Witch?"
"The Kamala Harris Witch. Of Course!"

pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>On 2024-11-27, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> max headroom wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>> In news:vi77o6$1a33$1@dont-email.me, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com>
>>> typed:
>>>
>>>> Children, especially in the San Joaquin Valley, are injured by
>>>> pollution. Our children are not to be sacrificed to Molech and Mammon.
>>>
>>> Oh, California banned abortion?
>>
>> Abortion (and miscarriage) affect emryos and non-viable fetuses.
>>
>> They aren't children until they are out of the womb.
>
>So a baby in the womb pressing a foot into the mother which shows up outside
>on her baby bump isn't a living human?
>
>Yet bacteria found on Mars is considered life.
>
>You are sick.

It's "sick" to prioritize a fetus at *any* stage over its mother. That
is what antiabortion states have done, e.g. Texas. They are civilly
and potentially criminally liable.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-11-28, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-11-27, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>> max headroom wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>> In news:vi77o6$1a33$1@dont-email.me, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com>
>>>> typed:
>>>>
>>>>> Children, especially in the San Joaquin Valley, are injured by
>>>>> pollution. Our children are not to be sacrificed to Molech and Mammon.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, California banned abortion?
>>>
>>> Abortion (and miscarriage) affect emryos and non-viable fetuses.
>>>
>>> They aren't children until they are out of the womb.
>>
>>So a baby in the womb pressing a foot into the mother which shows up outside
>>on her baby bump isn't a living human?
>>
>>Yet bacteria found on Mars is considered life.
>>
>>You are sick.
>
>
> It's "sick" to prioritize a fetus at *any* stage over its mother. That
> is what antiabortion states have done, e.g. Texas. They are civilly
> and potentially criminally liable.
>
I never said that.
FWIW if the mother's life is in danger, the mother comes first.

--
pothead

"Ding Dong The Witch Is Gone"
"Which Old Witch?"
"The Kamala Harris Witch. Of Course!"

pothead wrote:
> Yet bacteria found on Mars is considered life.

What bacteria was found on Mars? Where has bacteria been found
other than Earth?

--
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of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

pothead wrote:
> FWIW if the mother's life is in danger, the mother comes first.

Give it a shot. Write a sample law that only punishes bad
abortions and never good abortions.

--
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pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
> On 2024-11-28, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>On 2024-11-27, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>> max headroom wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>>> In news:vi77o6$1a33$1@dont-email.me, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com>
>>>>> typed:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Children, especially in the San Joaquin Valley, are injured by
>>>>>> pollution. Our children are not to be sacrificed to Molech and Mammon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, California banned abortion?
>>>>
>>>> Abortion (and miscarriage) affect emryos and non-viable fetuses.
>>>>
>>>> They aren't children until they are out of the womb.
>>>
>>>So a baby in the womb pressing a foot into the mother which shows up outside
>>>on her baby bump isn't a living human?
>>>
>>>Yet bacteria found on Mars is considered life.
>>>
>>>You are sick.
>>
>> It's "sick" to prioritize a fetus at *any* stage over its mother. That
>> is what antiabortion states have done, e.g. Texas. They are civilly
>> and potentially criminally liable.
>>
>I never said that.
>FWIW if the mother's life is in danger, the mother comes first.

That's weasel words, though, that's exactly how they've carried out
these sadistic denials of abortions, that my sig has warned them
they're gonna be held liable for. "Her life wasn't in danger [yet]."
Nope, redneck psycho, you tortured someone in the worst way possible,
you will be sued. Fuck Texas.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

pothead wrote:
>> Wrong, they have denied abortions where it was medically indicated,
>> hence lawsuits, "good" person.
>>
> Well each case will be different however in GENERAL, I disagree with that.
>

And you want biased DAs to decide what is different.

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On 11/28/24 10:32 AM, Siri Cruise wrote:
> pothead wrote:
>>> Wrong, they have denied abortions where it was medically indicated,
>>> hence lawsuits, "good" person.
>>>
>> Well each case will be different however in GENERAL, I disagree with
>> that.
>>
>
> And you want biased DAs to decide what is different.
>

And those DA's have been enabled by deliberately vague legislation.

-hh