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On 25/11/2024 19:47, Joe Barker wrote:
> On 25 Nov 2024, John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> posted some
> news:l749kjtu4th5ookvr3njj9dhiccf1aaitp@4ax.com:
>
>> So much for the myth of illegal migrants being peaceful.
>>
>> 'Illegal Migrants Less Likely to Commit Crime? Guess Again.'
>>
>> <https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2024/11/25/illegal_mig
>> rants_less_likely_to_commit_crime_guess_again_1074276.html>
>>
>> 'In June, Victor Martinez-Hernandez was charged with the murder of
>> Rachel Morin, a mother of five in Maryland. Police in Oklahoma tracked
>> the accused repeat offender down with a sample of his DNA recovered
>> from a Los Angeles home invasion in which a nine-year-old girl and her
>> mother were assaulted. Police say he came to the U.S. illegally to
>> escape prosecution for at least one other murder in his native El
>> Salvador in December 2022.
>
> Morin was just a self-absorbed botox-lipped welfare-baby pump.

So much for the myth of illegal migrants being peaceful.

'Illegal Migrants Less Likely to Commit Crime? Guess Again.'

<https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2024/11/25/illegal_migrants_less_likely_to_commit_crime_guess_again_1074276.html>

'In June, Victor Martinez-Hernandez was charged with the murder of
Rachel Morin, a mother of five in Maryland. Police in Oklahoma tracked
the accused repeat offender down with a sample of his DNA recovered from
a Los Angeles home invasion in which a nine-year-old girl and her mother
were assaulted. Police say he came to the U.S. illegally to escape
prosecution for at least one other murder in his native El Salvador in
December 2022.

“That should never have been allowed to happen,” said Sheriff Jeffrey
Gahler, referring to the numerous missed red flags the case presented.
His office apprehended Hernandez in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

Tulsa Police
Victor Martinez-Hernandez: Charged with the death of Rachel Morin in
Maryland.
Tulsa Police
Like the member of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua sentenced to life
in prison last week for the murder of Laken Riley in Georgia,
Hernandez’s case is shining a light on the federal government’s failure
to properly vet and keep track of lawless migrants.

These gaps have led to broad claims that illegal immigrants have less
involvement with the criminal justice system than native-born Americans.
A review of the available data, however, shows that the criminal records
of millions of migrants – the ones President-elect Trump vows to
prioritize for deportation – remain unknown due to illegal crossings,
lax enforcement, and lax data collection by federal and “sanctuary”
jurisdictions.

In addition, an analysis of the available statistics by
RealClearInvestigations suggests that the crime rate of noncitizens is
vastly understated. A separate RCI analysis based on estimates developed
by the U.S. Department of Justice’s National Institute of Justice (NIJ)
suggests that crime by illegal aliens who entered the U.S. by July 21,
2024 cost the country some $166.5 billion. These criminals
disproportionately entered the U.S. during the Biden administration.

Pool Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Jose Ibarra: Sentenced to life in prison for the murder of Laken Riley
in Georgia.
Pool Atlanta Journal-Constitution
The problem begins with incomplete initial vetting by the U.S.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). The criminal histories of
migrants from far-flung countries with often shoddy record-keeping are
somewhat hard to determine. It is also impractical to hold each person
until they have passed a rigorous background check. As a result, ICE
routinely releases many illegals into the country on their own
recognizance and then discovers afterward that many had criminal records
in their home countries.

In response to a request from Republican Rep. Tony Gonzales of Texas,
ICE reported this summer that it has released 7.4 million such
“non-detained” noncitizens into the U.S. during the last four decades or
so. ICE reports that these include 662,566 noncitizens with criminal
histories - 435,719 individuals with criminal convictions in their home
countries and another 226,847 with pending criminal charges. These
precise figures, however, do not say whether the crimes of the latter
group were committed in the accused’s home country or the U.S.

In the July 21 letter to Rep. Gonzales, ICE reported that 13,099 of
these non-detained individuals have convictions for homicide, with 1,845
facing criminal homicide charges. Another 9,461 have convictions for sex
offenses (not including assault or commercialized sex), and 2,659 face
pending charges. The convictions include other crimes such as assault
(62,231), robbery (10,031), sexual assault (15,811), weapons offenses
(13,423), and dangerous drugs (56,533).

Pool Atlanta Journal-Constitution
It's difficult to calculate all the victimization costs: Friends and
family of Laken Riley react to the verdict in Athens, Ga.
Pool Atlanta Journal-Constitution
These figures are only suggestive of the extent of crime because they
only list the most serious crime committed by each individual. A
murderer, for example, who also committed a sex offense, is only counted
as a murderer. It does not include the fact that millions of migrants
are violating the law because of their presence in the U.S. It also does
not account for the lawbreaking involved in working without proper
authorization or the widespread use of stolen Social Security numbers to
secure employment.

The 662,566 convicted and likely criminals make up 9% of the 7.4 million
released noncitizens.

Riley family/Wikipedia
Laken Riley: Her case illustrates the government’s failure to properly
vet and keep track of lawless migrants.
Riley family/Wikipedia
The statistics miss much of the relationship between crime and illegal
aliens. Noncitizens in the “national docket data” either surrendered to
border agents or were apprehended at the border. Those who avoid
surrender likely have reasons to evade authorities, such as a criminal
background. But there are others who avoided being caught and won’t be
in these numbers. That group includes “gotaways” – individuals observed
crossing the U.S. border illegally but not apprehended or turned back.
With up to 38% of border agents shifted from monitoring to processing
duties and 30% of surveillance cameras not functioning, millions more
likely entered the U.S. undetected, potentially including the most
dangerous individuals.

The Customs and Border Protection Agency estimates that some two million
such “gotaways” have entered the country since 2021.

The data on migrants who have been processed also understates the
problem. Criminals rarely commit just one crime. For example, from 1990
to 2002, in the 75 most populous U.S. counties, 70% of those convicted
of a violent felony had a prior arrest, and 56% had a prior criminal
conviction. In 2023 in Washington, D.C., the average homicide suspect
had been arrested 11 times before committing a homicide. Data for 30
states shows that 60.1% of criminals released from prison in 2005 had
been arrested again within two years, and 73.5% had been arrested within
four years. The ICE data set provides a single entry for each
individual.

Most violent crimes don’t result in an arrest, so looking at arrests or
convictions in these other countries will underestimate whether illegal
aliens are criminals. Across all U.S. cities in 2022, only 35.2% of
violent crimes resulted in an arrest. While 50.6% of murders resulted in
an arrest, just 24.1% of rapes produced an arrest, 22.7% of robberies,
and 39.9% of aggravated assaults.

WBFF Fox45 Baltimore/YouTube
Heavy publicity: The suspect was long at large and evidently widely
traveled in the U.S.
WBFF Fox45 Baltimore/YouTube
As the Laken Riley and Rachel Morin murder cases make clear, it is
difficult to calculate all the victimization costs of crime to families
and society.

AP
Republican Rep. Tony Gonzales of Texas: He got ICE to release
statistics.
AP
Using tools developed by the National Institute of Justice (NIJ), RCI
did estimate what is likely the bare minimum economic costs of illegal
alien crime. It arrived at its estimated cost to victims in dollar terms
by assuming that each of the 662,566 “non-detained” noncitizen offenders
on ICE’s list committed just once in the U.S. the crime for which they
have been previously accused.

ICE presented Rep. Gonzales with numbers on 42 different types of crime,
but the NIJ only calculated the cost to victims for eight types of
crime. Professor Mark Cohen at Vanderbilt University, who co-authored
the original NIJ report, updated the list with 15 of the crime
categories reported by ICE: murder, sexual assault, sexual offenses,
robbery, assault, arson, burglary, larceny, motor vehicle theft, weapon
offenses, drugs, fraud, liquor offenses, gambling, and stolen property.
Cohen’s updated numbers provide estimates for the damage from child
abuse, drunk driving, and vandalism, but ICE did not collect numbers on
those crimes.

NIJ’s estimated losses from crime victimization include: medical
care/ambulances, mental health care, police/fire service costs,
social/victim services, property loss/damage, reduced productivity (at
work, home, and school), and nonmonetary losses (fear, pain, suffering,
and lost quality of life).

AP
Donald Trump embraces Patty Morin, mother of Rachel Morin, at a campaign
rally in November.
AP
Murders account for almost $153.8 billion of the $166.5 billion in
estimated criminal victimization costs (a breakdown of the costs of
crime for each type of crime is available here). Another $6 billion
involves sexual assaults/offenses, and an additional $5.2 billion comes
from sexual assaults and sexual offenses.

Half of the crimes these non-detained individuals commit don't have cost
estimates. These crimes include kidnapping, embezzlement, extortion,
smuggling, traffic offenses, and weapon offenses.

These criminal illegal aliens entered the U.S. under multiple
administrations, but the size of the problem was likely larger under the
Biden administration. That isn’t just because so many more illegal
aliens were entering the country. Under the Trump administration’s
remain-in-Mexico policy, the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services
(USCIS) performed background checks on immigrants. That included
contacting immigrants’ countries of origin.

Click here to read the complete article

John Smyth wrote:
> So much for the myth of illegal migrants being peaceful.
>
> 'Illegal Migrants Less Likely to Commit Crime? Guess Again.'
>
> <https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2024/11/25/illegal_migrants_less_likely_to_commit_crime_guess_again_1074276.html>
>
> 'In June, Victor Martinez-Hernandez was charged with the murder of
> Rachel Morin, a mother of five in Maryland. Police in Oklahoma tracked
> the accused repeat offender down with a sample of his DNA recovered from
> a Los Angeles home invasion in which a nine-year-old girl and her mother
> were assaulted. Police say he came to the U.S. illegally to escape
> prosecution for at least one other murder in his native El Salvador in
> December 2022.
>
> “That should never have been allowed to happen,” said Sheriff Jeffrey
> Gahler, referring to the numerous missed red flags the case presented.
> His office apprehended Hernandez in Tulsa, Oklahoma.
>
> Tulsa Police
> Victor Martinez-Hernandez: Charged with the death of Rachel Morin in
> Maryland.
> Tulsa Police
> Like the member of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua sentenced to life
> in prison last week for the murder of Laken Riley in Georgia,
> Hernandez’s case is shining a light on the federal government’s failure
> to properly vet and keep track of lawless migrants.
>
> These gaps have led to broad claims that illegal immigrants have less
> involvement with the criminal justice system than native-born Americans.
> A review of the available data, however, shows that the criminal records
> of millions of migrants – the ones President-elect Trump vows to
> prioritize for deportation – remain unknown due to illegal crossings,
> lax enforcement, and lax data collection by federal and “sanctuary”
> jurisdictions.
>
> In addition, an analysis of the available statistics by
> RealClearInvestigations suggests that the crime rate of noncitizens is
> vastly understated. A separate RCI analysis based on estimates developed
> by the U.S. Department of Justice’s National Institute of Justice (NIJ)
> suggests that crime by illegal aliens who entered the U.S. by July 21,
> 2024 cost the country some $166.5 billion. These criminals
> disproportionately entered the U.S. during the Biden administration.
>
> Pool Atlanta Journal-Constitution
> Jose Ibarra: Sentenced to life in prison for the murder of Laken Riley
> in Georgia.
> Pool Atlanta Journal-Constitution
> The problem begins with incomplete initial vetting by the U.S.
> Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). The criminal histories of
> migrants from far-flung countries with often shoddy record-keeping are
> somewhat hard to determine. It is also impractical to hold each person
> until they have passed a rigorous background check. As a result, ICE
> routinely releases many illegals into the country on their own
> recognizance and then discovers afterward that many had criminal records
> in their home countries.
>
> In response to a request from Republican Rep. Tony Gonzales of Texas,
> ICE reported this summer that it has released 7.4 million such
> “non-detained” noncitizens into the U.S. during the last four decades or
> so. ICE reports that these include 662,566 noncitizens with criminal
> histories - 435,719 individuals with criminal convictions in their home
> countries and another 226,847 with pending criminal charges. These
> precise figures, however, do not say whether the crimes of the latter
> group were committed in the accused’s home country or the U.S.
>
> In the July 21 letter to Rep. Gonzales, ICE reported that 13,099 of
> these non-detained individuals have convictions for homicide, with 1,845
> facing criminal homicide charges. Another 9,461 have convictions for sex
> offenses (not including assault or commercialized sex), and 2,659 face
> pending charges. The convictions include other crimes such as assault
> (62,231), robbery (10,031), sexual assault (15,811), weapons offenses
> (13,423), and dangerous drugs (56,533).
>
> Pool Atlanta Journal-Constitution
> It's difficult to calculate all the victimization costs: Friends and
> family of Laken Riley react to the verdict in Athens, Ga.
> Pool Atlanta Journal-Constitution
> These figures are only suggestive of the extent of crime because they
> only list the most serious crime committed by each individual. A
> murderer, for example, who also committed a sex offense, is only counted
> as a murderer. It does not include the fact that millions of migrants
> are violating the law because of their presence in the U.S. It also does
> not account for the lawbreaking involved in working without proper
> authorization or the widespread use of stolen Social Security numbers to
> secure employment.
>
> The 662,566 convicted and likely criminals make up 9% of the 7.4 million
> released noncitizens.
>
> Riley family/Wikipedia
> Laken Riley: Her case illustrates the government’s failure to properly
> vet and keep track of lawless migrants.
> Riley family/Wikipedia
> The statistics miss much of the relationship between crime and illegal
> aliens. Noncitizens in the “national docket data” either surrendered to
> border agents or were apprehended at the border. Those who avoid
> surrender likely have reasons to evade authorities, such as a criminal
> background. But there are others who avoided being caught and won’t be
> in these numbers. That group includes “gotaways” – individuals observed
> crossing the U.S. border illegally but not apprehended or turned back.
> With up to 38% of border agents shifted from monitoring to processing
> duties and 30% of surveillance cameras not functioning, millions more
> likely entered the U.S. undetected, potentially including the most
> dangerous individuals.
>
> The Customs and Border Protection Agency estimates that some two million
> such “gotaways” have entered the country since 2021.
>
> The data on migrants who have been processed also understates the
> problem. Criminals rarely commit just one crime. For example, from 1990
> to 2002, in the 75 most populous U.S. counties, 70% of those convicted
> of a violent felony had a prior arrest, and 56% had a prior criminal
> conviction. In 2023 in Washington, D.C., the average homicide suspect
> had been arrested 11 times before committing a homicide. Data for 30
> states shows that 60.1% of criminals released from prison in 2005 had
> been arrested again within two years, and 73.5% had been arrested within
> four years. The ICE data set provides a single entry for each
> individual.
>
> Most violent crimes don’t result in an arrest, so looking at arrests or
> convictions in these other countries will underestimate whether illegal
> aliens are criminals. Across all U.S. cities in 2022, only 35.2% of
> violent crimes resulted in an arrest. While 50.6% of murders resulted in
> an arrest, just 24.1% of rapes produced an arrest, 22.7% of robberies,
> and 39.9% of aggravated assaults.
>
> WBFF Fox45 Baltimore/YouTube
> Heavy publicity: The suspect was long at large and evidently widely
> traveled in the U.S.
> WBFF Fox45 Baltimore/YouTube
> As the Laken Riley and Rachel Morin murder cases make clear, it is
> difficult to calculate all the victimization costs of crime to families
> and society.
>
> AP
> Republican Rep. Tony Gonzales of Texas: He got ICE to release
> statistics.
> AP
> Using tools developed by the National Institute of Justice (NIJ), RCI
> did estimate what is likely the bare minimum economic costs of illegal
> alien crime. It arrived at its estimated cost to victims in dollar terms
> by assuming that each of the 662,566 “non-detained” noncitizen offenders
> on ICE’s list committed just once in the U.S. the crime for which they
> have been previously accused.
>
> ICE presented Rep. Gonzales with numbers on 42 different types of crime,
> but the NIJ only calculated the cost to victims for eight types of
> crime. Professor Mark Cohen at Vanderbilt University, who co-authored
> the original NIJ report, updated the list with 15 of the crime
> categories reported by ICE: murder, sexual assault, sexual offenses,
> robbery, assault, arson, burglary, larceny, motor vehicle theft, weapon
> offenses, drugs, fraud, liquor offenses, gambling, and stolen property.
> Cohen’s updated numbers provide estimates for the damage from child
> abuse, drunk driving, and vandalism, but ICE did not collect numbers on
> those crimes.
>
> NIJ’s estimated losses from crime victimization include: medical
> care/ambulances, mental health care, police/fire service costs,
> social/victim services, property loss/damage, reduced productivity (at
> work, home, and school), and nonmonetary losses (fear, pain, suffering,
> and lost quality of life).
>
> AP
> Donald Trump embraces Patty Morin, mother of Rachel Morin, at a campaign
> rally in November.
> AP
> Murders account for almost $153.8 billion of the $166.5 billion in
> estimated criminal victimization costs (a breakdown of the costs of
> crime for each type of crime is available here). Another $6 billion
> involves sexual assaults/offenses, and an additional $5.2 billion comes
> from sexual assaults and sexual offenses.
>
> Half of the crimes these non-detained individuals commit don't have cost
> estimates. These crimes include kidnapping, embezzlement, extortion,
> smuggling, traffic offenses, and weapon offenses.
>
> These criminal illegal aliens entered the U.S. under multiple
> administrations, but the size of the problem was likely larger under the
> Biden administration. That isn’t just because so many more illegal
> aliens were entering the country. Under the Trump administration’s
> remain-in-Mexico policy, the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services
> (USCIS) performed background checks on immigrants. That included
> contacting immigrants’ countries of origin.
>
> ICE agents cannot access the same databases to check on the immigrants,
> and they don’t contact the immigrant’s home country. Plus, the massive
> inflow of immigrants has overwhelmed the system. The Deputy Director for
> ICE blames the “enormous workload” agents face, so they haven’t been
> able to do even the limited background checks they are doing. There are
> so many coming in that the government can’t house these immigrants until
> their backgrounds are properly checked.
>
> ICE has been processing criminals as they enter the country, but without
> identifying them as criminals. So, under the Biden administration, they
> have simply been released into the country. Now, they are walking freely
> in the United States, and no one knows where they are.
>
> As bad as these numbers are, the reality may be even worse. The
> Biden-Harris administration is accused of presenting the border crisis
> so that it does not look as bad as it is. In mid-September, retired San
> Diego Border Patrol Chief Aaron Heitk testified how the Biden
> administration ordered him not to publicize the arrests of illegal
> border crossers who they identified as having terrorist ties.
>
> The American Immigration Council, which strongly opposes President-elect
> Donald Trump’s deportation policies, estimates that it could cost $88
> billion to deport one million illegal immigrants. But if we accept its
> estimate and ignore the various government benefits that these
> individuals might be receiving, ICE’s number of 662,556 illegal criminal
> immigrants implies a cost of $58.3 billion to remove them – just over
> one-third of the conservative estimate given here of the cost of the
> crimes by these criminals.
>
> The estimate of over $160 billion in costs from criminal illegal aliens
> is very likely an underestimate of the true costs. It assumes the
> average criminal coming into the country commits only one offense
> similar to what he committed in his home country. We are also not
> counting the costs of half of criminal illegal aliens
>
so

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Illegal Migrants Less Likely to Commit Crime? Guess Again.	John Smyth
Re: Illegal Migrants Less Likely to Commit Crime? Guess Again.	David (Devon)
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Re: Illegal Migrants Less Likely to Commit Crime? Guess Again.	Cal Grayson
Re: Illegal Migrants Less Likely to Commit Crime? Guess Again.	Not Rudy Canoza
Re: Illegal Migrants Less Likely to Commit Crime? Guess Again.	Klaus Schadenfreude