"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> I value my computer. Linux is the best thing to put on it.
>>>>
>>>> As I said: it's a cult where you don't like "corporate" and
>>>> "commercial".
>>>
>>> Not when such abuse me, right.
>>How does someone selling a product "abuse" you?
>>
>>Do you even hear yourself?
>
>
> Windows 11 grew in demands on hardware in a mere two years. 21H2 vs.
> 23H2. What the hell is that? Why can't a machine assembled the same
> year, as its initial release, run it, for the full 10 years, without
> being a piece of junk? Fuck M$. Linux FTW.

Maybe you should have assembled it to be compliant. I bet even Linux
requires you to have the hardware to support it no matter how recently you
put the computer together.

All I can say is if you assembled a computer in 2021 for Windows 11 that
couldn't support Windows 11 a mere 2 year later.. that was a pretty poor
system build.

Meanwhile in 2021 minimum Win11 requirements:
1Ghz 2 core processor
4Gb memory
64Gb storage
Compatible Graphics Card w/ DirectX12 & WDDM 2.0 Driver
UEFI compliant firmware
TPM module
720p display
Internet

Current Win11 requirements:
1Ghz 2 core processor
4Gb memory
64Gb storage
Compatible Graphics Card w/ DirectX12 & WDDM 2.0 Driver
UEFI compliant firmware
TPM module
720p display
Internet

So tell us.. what exactly were you lacking in the Current Win11 requirements
that your new Win11 system in 2021 lacked?

Of course, I don't know ANYONE that assemblies a new computer to the
absolute MINIMUM requirements.. but then maybe you are such an idiot.

I certainly wouldn't consider those requirements to be a particularly high
bar to cross in 2021..

the only real issue I see might be the TPM module but since that's a plug in
component even if the specs changed there.. it's a simple swap.

So why don't you tell us SPECIFICALLY what your system in 2021 that you
build for windows 11 would be no longer compliant even today?
Because I'm not seeing any change in specifications unless your storage was
at absolute minimum and clutter build up cause you to lack enough free
space.. but then that would be one you? I mean who would put such a small
drive in as the primary drive even in 2021?

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-11-24 16:54, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> I value my computer. Linux is the best thing to put on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said: it's a cult where you don't like "corporate" and
>>>>> "commercial".
>>>>
>>>> Not when such abuse me, right.
>>> How does someone selling a product "abuse" you?
>>>
>>> Do you even hear yourself?
>>
>>
>> Windows 11 grew in demands on hardware in a mere two years. 21H2 vs.
>> 23H2. What the hell is that? Why can't a machine assembled the same
>> year, as its initial release, run it, for the full 10 years, without
>> being a piece of junk? Fuck M$. Linux FTW.
> I guess the answer is, "No, I really don't realize how much of a fanatic I
> sound like".

Yep, and according to the sites I see no change in the system requirements
between release and now much less what you would have as a new build even in
2021.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> Windows 11 grew in demands on hardware in a mere two years. 21H2 vs.
>>> 23H2. What the hell is that? Why can't a machine assembled the same
>>> year, as its initial release, run it, for the full 10 years, without
>>> being a piece of junk? Fuck M$. Linux FTW.
>>I guess the answer is, "No, I really don't realize how much of a fanatic
>>I sound like".
>
>
> I am a fanatic, definitely. Fanatically, I can't believe what M$ did
> to Windows 10 victims. And what they're already doing with Win11.
> It's a joke. They're making Linux the obvious solution, but people
> just won't see that, and put up with the hassle of using Winblows on
> aging hardware.

No details.. no specifics. no facts.. just pure 100% rant.

Stick a fork in him because Joel is clearly done.

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-11-24 17:38, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Windows 11 grew in demands on hardware in a mere two years. 21H2 vs.
>>>> 23H2. What the hell is that? Why can't a machine assembled the same
>>>> year, as its initial release, run it, for the full 10 years, without
>>>> being a piece of junk? Fuck M$. Linux FTW.
>>> I guess the answer is, "No, I really don't realize how much of a fanatic
>>> I sound like".
>>
>>
>> I am a fanatic, definitely. Fanatically, I can't believe what M$ did
>> to Windows 10 victims. And what they're already doing with Win11.
>> It's a joke. They're making Linux the obvious solution, but people
>> just won't see that, and put up with the hassle of using Winblows on
>> aging hardware.
>>
>
> Or they could just get a Mac.

*BOOM*

LOL... I love it.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Windows 11 grew in demands on hardware in a mere two years. 21H2 vs.
>>>>> 23H2. What the hell is that? Why can't a machine assembled the same
>>>>> year, as its initial release, run it, for the full 10 years, without
>>>>> being a piece of junk? Fuck M$. Linux FTW.
>>>> I guess the answer is, "No, I really don't realize how much of a
>>>> fanatic
>>>> I sound like".
>>>
>>> I am a fanatic, definitely. Fanatically, I can't believe what M$ did
>>> to Windows 10 victims. And what they're already doing with Win11.
>>> It's a joke. They're making Linux the obvious solution, but people
>>> just won't see that, and put up with the hassle of using Winblows on
>>> aging hardware.
>>
>>Or they could just get a Mac.
>
>
> Probably, Apple's support would be better than M$'s. I grant that,
> because they aren't so ridiculous with never ending growth of code
> bloat, and that's a point in their favor, but it's still overpriced,
> compared to what one can get with parts and Linux. I really see Linux
> as the only platform to keep a machine going for its useful life,
> without the outrageous cost of Apple.

Says the person who complains about me running Win7 despite how much the
latest versions of Ubuntu need to meet minimum requirements

Win7
Processor 1Ghz 32-bit single core
Ram- 1GB
Disk - 16GB
Graphics - DirectX9

Ubuntu
Processor 2GHz dual core
Ram - 4 GB
Disk - 25GB
Display 1024x768 or higher
Architecture 64-bit (x86-64) recommended

Yea, I can see how it would require so much less... NOT

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> Windows 11 grew in demands on hardware in a mere two years. 21H2
>>>>>>> vs.
>>>>>>> 23H2. What the hell is that? Why can't a machine assembled the
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> year, as its initial release, run it, for the full 10 years, without
>>>>>>> being a piece of junk? Fuck M$. Linux FTW.
>>>>>> I guess the answer is, "No, I really don't realize how much of a
>>>>>> fanatic
>>>>>> I sound like".
>>>>>
>>>>> I am a fanatic, definitely. Fanatically, I can't believe what M$ did
>>>>> to Windows 10 victims. And what they're already doing with Win11.
>>>>> It's a joke. They're making Linux the obvious solution, but people
>>>>> just won't see that, and put up with the hassle of using Winblows on
>>>>> aging hardware.
>>>>
>>>> Or they could just get a Mac.
>>>
>>> Probably, Apple's support would be better than M$'s. I grant that,
>>> because they aren't so ridiculous with never ending growth of code
>>> bloat, and that's a point in their favor, but it's still overpriced,
>>> compared to what one can get with parts and Linux. I really see Linux
>>> as the only platform to keep a machine going for its useful life,
>>> without the outrageous cost of Apple.
>>
>>Except, for most people, there are large costs to Linux.
>>
>>Most people can't assemble a computer from parts; most don't want to.
>>
>>Most people want the range of software that comes with using a Mac or a
>>Windows machine.
>
>
> I agree that Winblows has a library of software available, that is
> enticing to many people. Even excluding gaming, that is true, and I
> acknowledge it. But it's funny how much one must sacrifice money or
> performance, for the privilege.

How so? As long as Windows has been around you can get copies of most
software very cheap on the 2nd Hand market. About the only real issue is the
conversion to Win11 where you suddenly need 64 bit, but with Win7, I don't
have that problem. Heck I even have a business copy of Office with an
unlimited license... which means I can install it onl as many of my
computers as I like.

> With Linux, I just don't have that
> problem.

Or course, because you have a library of software which may or may not
function very well and you can forget any sort of technical support.

> Apple is better in terms of how it evolves over time, but
> has an up-front cost that is prohibitive. Linux remains the only
> viable solution.

Strange, most people see multiple viable solutions.

Only a fanatic can see only one.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Most people want the range of software that comes with using a Mac or a
>>>> Windows machine.
>>>
>>> I agree that Winblows has a library of software available, that is
>>> enticing to many people. Even excluding gaming, that is true, and I
>>> acknowledge it. But it's funny how much one must sacrifice money or
>>> performance, for the privilege. With Linux, I just don't have that
>>> problem. Apple is better in terms of how it evolves over time, but
>>> has an up-front cost that is prohibitive. Linux remains the only
>>> viable solution.
>>
>>First of all, grow up.
>>
>>No one here is under any illusion about how you feel about Windows, so
>>put on your big boy pants and just call it "Windows".
>
>
> I'm sorry, but I have seen too many damn times, how M$ bloatware does
> "blow" as in metaphorically suck dick, as the demands on hardware grow
> with updates.

Gee and you build your systems only to the minimum requirements.
You do realize that if you get an older version.. then even that which meets
the minimum standards NOW will ROCK with the slightly older version.

Oh, but that's right, if it's not 'new' then it's useless.. according to
you.

"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
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> On 11/24/24 7:54 PM, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> I value my computer. Linux is the best thing to put on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said: it's a cult where you don't like "corporate" and
>>>>> "commercial".
>>>>
>>>> Not when such abuse me, right.
>>> How does someone selling a product "abuse" you?
>>>
>>> Do you even hear yourself?
>>
>>
>> Windows 11 grew in demands on hardware in a mere two years. 21H2 vs.
>> 23H2. What the hell is that? Why can't a machine assembled the same
>> year, as its initial release, run it, for the full 10 years, without
>> being a piece of junk? Fuck M$. Linux FTW.
>>
>
> When have you ever kept the same hardware configuration for 10 years?
>
> For that matter, what's the longest that you've gone to date?
>
> After all, you didn't even go 2 years with your 2022 box, as you've
> admitted that you made a video upgrade because its original 'high-end'
> configuration couldn't even adequately handle one (1) 4K display.
>
>
> -hh

-hh swoops in and nukes the target from orbit...

"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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> -hh wrote:
>
>> Joel wrote:
>>>
>>> Windows 11 grew in demands on hardware in a mere two years. 21H2 vs.
>>> 23H2. What the hell is that? Why can't a machine assembled the same
>>> year, as its initial release, run it, for the full 10 years, without
>>> being a piece of junk? Fuck M$. Linux FTW.
>>
>>When have you ever kept the same hardware configuration for 10 years?
>>
>>For that matter, what's the longest that you've gone to date?
>>
>>After all, you didn't even go 2 years with your 2022 box, as you've
>>admitted that you made a video upgrade because its original 'high-end'
>>configuration couldn't even adequately handle one (1) 4K display.
>
> Joel is not being fair. But neither is attacking him for adding a
> video card to his system. There's obviously nothing wrong with such
> an upgrade.

If you have to replace your video card within 2 years of original then one
has to question his choice of hardware..

As apparently his hardware was so close to or below minimum requirements
that he couldn't update Win11 after installing it.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-11-24 11:39, Joel wrote:
>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> I have a Gigabyte AORUS motherboard, not some no-name junk that
>>>>>>> you'd
>>>>>>> get in a prefab box on Newegg for a hot price, ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, doesn't mean much to me: what's its salient characteristics
>>>>>> which relate to it being "high-end"? For example, is it PCI5 or 4?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's meant for elite gaming systems, I wanted it for the
>>>>> expandability, bragging rights, reliability over time.
>>>>
>>>> Bragging rights? I certainly hope you're not saying that you paid more
>>>> for a name(!).
>>>
>>> The motherboard is more relevant to overall quality than a lot of
>>> people might realize. It's not paying for a name, it's paying for
>>> durability and quality.
>>
>>You're the one who literally said:
>>
>>"bragging rights".
>
>
> Yeah, but not about the name, about how good equipment I selected.

Yea.. this from the person who claims they couldn't upgrade Win11 on their
new build made just for Win11

Tell us another tall tail.

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-11-24 13:00, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-11-24 11:39, Joel wrote:
>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a Gigabyte AORUS motherboard, not some no-name junk that
>>>>>>>> you'd
>>>>>>>> get in a prefab box on Newegg for a hot price, ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, doesn't mean much to me: what's its salient characteristics
>>>>>>> which relate to it being "high-end"? For example, is it PCI5 or 4?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's meant for elite gaming systems, I wanted it for the
>>>>>> expandability, bragging rights, reliability over time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bragging rights? I certainly hope you're not saying that you paid
>>>>> more
>>>>> for a name(!).
>>>>
>>>> The motherboard is more relevant to overall quality than a lot of
>>>> people might realize. It's not paying for a name, it's paying for
>>>> durability and quality.
>>>
>>> You're the one who literally said:
>>>
>>> "bragging rights".
>>
>>
>> Yeah, but not about the name, about how good equipment I selected.
>>
>
> If you won't discuss benchmarks, it's not about how good the the equipment
> actually is.

Well let's put it this way.. after putting together an new system for
Win11.. he claims his new hardware for Win11 wouldn't support the updates.

That's how 'good' Joel claims his equipment is.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>Have you actually upgraded your current system?
>
>
> Originally, I had no video card, and 16 GB RAM. I have a very basic
> NVIDIA card, and 32 GB RAM, now.

So to be clear your inability to update Windows was purely because you
lacked a video card?

Please inform us all how Win11 updates required a higher video standard.

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-11-24 16:50, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Have you actually upgraded your current system?
>>
>>
>> Originally, I had no video card, and 16 GB RAM. I have a very basic
>> NVIDIA card, and 32 GB RAM, now.
> And how have those upgrades actually benefited you?
>
> You've described your use of the computer as:
>
> 'Internet portal, music player, that kind of thing.'
>
> So do you NEED a better video subsystem for that?
>
> Do you need 32GB of RAM to do that?
>
> Is Linux really that bad?

Apparently. I mean even Win11 doesn't call for that much.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Have you actually upgraded your current system?
>>>
>>> Originally, I had no video card, and 16 GB RAM. I have a very basic
>>> NVIDIA card, and 32 GB RAM, now.
>>And how have those upgrades actually benefited you?
>>
>>You've described your use of the computer as:
>>
>>'Internet portal, music player, that kind of thing.'
>>
>>So do you NEED a better video subsystem for that?
>
>
> I found that the Intel CPU video was weak for my 4K monitor, that I
> got subsequent to assembling the computer, originally I kept using my
> old 1080p monitor.

So you need a 4K monitor for 'Internet portal, music player, that kind of
thing.'?

>>Do you need 32GB of RAM to do that?
>>
>>Is Linux really that bad?
>
>
> I have Firefox, Chrome, Edge and LibreWolf browsers all running,
> several chat apps, Web apps for Bluesky, Twitter/X and Threads, and
> for Copilot, LibreOffice Writer, GIMP. It's not a matter of Linux
> needing RAM, it's a matter of wanting to multitask numerous things for
> any OS. I'd have done the same thing if I'd kept Win11.

So now that we've established your inability to update Win11 had nothing to
with memory, video or storage resources.. what is your excuse going to be?

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Do you need 32GB of RAM to do that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is Linux really that bad?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have Firefox, Chrome, Edge and LibreWolf browsers all running,
>>>>> several chat apps, Web apps for Bluesky, Twitter/X and Threads, and
>>>>> for Copilot, LibreOffice Writer, GIMP. It's not a matter of Linux
>>>>> needing RAM, it's a matter of wanting to multitask numerous things for
>>>>> any OS. I'd have done the same thing if I'd kept Win11.
>>>>
>>>> I currently have 25 Safari windows open with a total of 273 tabs, as
>>>> well as Thunderbird, Apple Mail, Microsoft Teams, Calendar, Finder....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ...and I'll open up all three Microsoft Office main apps (Word, Excel,
>>>> PowerPoint)...
>>>>
>>>> ...and with all of that I'm still only at 2/3 on the "Memory Pressure"
>>>> graph in Activity Monitor (which, of course, is also open; oh, and
>>>> Script Editor to perform the count of open Safari tabs)...
>>>>
>>>> ...and that's with just 16GB of RAM.
>>>
>>> I don't know how to analyze that in some conclusive way. I just know
>>> that with 32 GB, I rarely even use one byte of swap.
>>
>>So the same as my system under at least as great a load with half the RAM
>
>
> I'm using about half of my RAM for main memory, with another 8 GB or
> so for cache, but not one byte of swap. It's elite.

.....but your system isn't good enough to update Win11.

<snicker>

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> I'm using about half of my [32 GB] RAM for main memory, with another 8
>>> GB or
>>> so for cache, but not one byte of swap. It's elite.
>>
>>You're 133t, dude!
>>
>>You are so 133t!
>>
>>LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>>
>>??????????????
>
>
> Yeah, it is great, because I am showing the benefits of Linux.

How? So far you've shown us NOTHING

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-11-24 19:48, -hh wrote:
>> On 11/24/24 9:58 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I'm using about half of my [32 GB] RAM for main memory, with another 8
>>>>> GB or
>>>>> so for cache, but not one byte of swap. It's elite.
>>>>
>>>> You're 133t, dude!
>>>>
>>>> You are so 133t!
>>>>
>>>> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>>>>
>>>> ??????????????
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, it is great, because I am showing the benefits of Linux.
>>>
>>
>> But you did have to set that up Linux yourself, right?
>> And how much time, research, & testing did it take you?
>>
>> -hh
>
> Apparently not much.
>
> He couldn't future-proof his video system.

Heck he didn't even future proof his computer system. Remember his system
was inadequate to handle Win11 updates...

.... by his own admission.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>He couldn't future-proof his video system.
>>
>>?
>
>
> Are you really so surprised that the CPU's integrated video wouldn't
> do well, with 4K? It seems obvious that it'd help to have a discreet
> video card, I didn't need an expensive one, it's not a big deal. I'm
> glad to spend a little, to get a lot of mileage.

I'm just surprised you could add a 4K video card to a computer that couldn't
handle the Win11 update.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>>> I am showing the benefits of Linux.
>>
>>But you did have to set that up Linux yourself, right?
>>And how much time, research, & testing did it take you?
>
>
> Nothing happens without action. You can pay Apple or M$ to do it for
> you, or you can do it yourself. Doing it myself gives me fabulous
> results, within a reasonable budget.

So great you ended up with a system incapable of handling Win11 updates

"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
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> On 11/25/24 2:46 AM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-11-24 20:15, Joel wrote:
>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I am showing the benefits of Linux.
>>>>
>>>> But you did have to set that up Linux yourself, right?
>>>> And how much time, research, & testing did it take you?
>>>
>>>
>>> Nothing happens without action. You can pay Apple or M$ to do it for
>>> you, or you can do it yourself. Doing it myself gives me fabulous
>>> results, within a reasonable budget.
>>>
>>
>> Results you won't quantify...
>>
>> ...on a budget you won't quantify.
>>
>> Got it.
>
>
> That too, but it wasn't really my point here.
>
> Point was the braggadocio on having to go manually set up a capability
> that mainstream OS users already have, and take for granted.

Yea, like how you couldn't manage to update Win11?

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>>the braggadocio on having to go manually set up a capability
>>that mainstream OS users already have, and take for granted.
>>
>>To use an automotive analogy, its like he's bragging that he upgraded
>>his carb to have automatic choke ... not realizing that everyone else
>>looks at them, thinking: "there's still cars which have a manual choke?"
>
>
> I can't imagine how lazy people are, to pay so much for Apple's and
> higher-end OEMs' offerings. Nor how they buy inferior hardware, to
> save money that way.

Says the person who attempted to drive a 4k monitor with integrated
graphics.....

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>>>> the braggadocio on having to go manually set up a capability
>>>> that mainstream OS users already have, and take for granted.
>>>>
>>>> To use an automotive analogy, its like he's bragging that he upgraded
>>>> his carb to have automatic choke ... not realizing that everyone else
>>>> looks at them, thinking: "there's still cars which have a manual
>>>> choke?"
>>>
>>> I can't imagine how lazy people are, to pay so much for Apple's and
>>> higher-end OEMs' offerings.
>>
>>Some are buying for the actual high-end performance. We've already seen
>>how your claimed "high-end" PC isn't really so high end after all:
>>
>>your CPU & Storage benchmarks are literally half of the Apple Studio
>>that you've tried to compare your system against,
>
>
> I wasn't trying to compare the benchmarks. I was comparing realized
> value. My computer's beginning to age,

Beginning to age??? You realize that you claim to have assembled this
computer in 2021 for Win11.. and did such a wonderful job it couldn't even
handle the updates?
Plus buying a 4K monitor you should have known would be useless for the
configuration you had? Which required to to spend yet MORE to correct.
Then given your claimed usage I have to wonder what you need a 4K monitor
for unless you're looking at internet porn.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> When I built the computer, the old monitor was still in use.
>>>>>>> Later, I bought a 4K monitor. The CPU's video handled it but
>>>>>>> barely,
>>>>>>> the NVIDIA card made it work more smoothly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet when you bought this PC in 2022 [it was 2021], you didn't
>>>>>> anticipate the
>>>>>> likelihood of getting a 4K display to replace the 1080p when it died?
>>>>>
>>>>> What difference would that have made?
>>>>
>>>> Because buying a subsystem just once instead of buying it twice may
>>>> mean that you pay less overall: "Lifecyle cost management 101."
>>>
>>> The CPU's video is built into the CPU. It's still there right now, if
>>> I plug a DP cable into the motherboard's video port, but instead I use
>>> the discrete card, now.
>>
>>But since as you've said that its GPU wasn't up to the task, maybe you
>>should have saved $30 upfront and bought the Core i5-10400F instead of
>>the Core i5-10400, so as to not pay for that inadequate integrated GPU?
>>Doing so would have lowered your lifecycle costs.
>
>
> I guess ...
>
>
>>>>>> Remind us again for just much money you have sunk into it already?
>>>>>
>>>>> The video card was around $100.
>>>>
>>>> Which gets added to the 2021 base system's price, bringing your total
>>>> invested lifecycle cost to date to be ... how much?
>>>
>>> No more or less than it's actually worth - which is the point. With
>>> Apple, I'd pay more up front, whether I needed it or not.
>>
>>Yup, yet another dodge. Is it because you really don't know how much
>>you spent, or you simply know that you're going to get critiqued (and
>>perhaps slaughtered) if you do say how much?
>
>
> The parts, initially, were around $800. I had also separately
> purchased a Windows Pro license for $200. Adding the video card and
> doubling the RAM added a modest amount.

So tell us again how you didn't have enough system to update your Win11.....

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> [I paid for my computer] No more or less than it's actually worth -
>>>>> which is the point. With
>>>>> Apple, I'd pay more up front, whether I needed it or not.
>>>>
>>>> Yup, yet another dodge. Is it because you really don't know how much
>>>> you spent, or you simply know that you're going to get critiqued (and
>>>> perhaps slaughtered) if you do say how much?
>>>
>>> The parts, initially, were around $800. I had also separately
>>> purchased a Windows Pro license for $200. Adding the video card and
>>> doubling the RAM added a modest amount.
>>
>>So $1000, +$100 for video card, and call it +$50 for +16GB RAM.
>>
>>That sums to $1150.
>>
>>You could have bought a base 2020 Mac Mini M1 for $599, and used the
>>$550 remaining to bump specs, buy other stuff, etc. I don't see good
>>historical MSRPs online at the moment, but I'd figure that $1100 would
>>get to 16GB RAM/512GB SSD, which is still a solid machine today, and
>>includes supporting dual 4K/60Hz monitors.
>
>
> I didn't even need the Win10 license, it turned out, my Win7 Pro
> product key from 2010 would've worked,

Nope, because we all know your feelings on Win7 and how useless it is.

On 2024-11-25, Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>
> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:lsg7kj1k9091m56hlh2nqqoc2ffk1jd58r@4ax.com...
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I value my computer. Linux is the best thing to put on it.
>>>
>>>As I said: it's a cult where you don't like "corporate" and "commercial".
>>
>>
>> Not when such abuse me, right.
>
> Now Joel, show us on this doll where Microsoft touched you....

I may be mistaken but I seem to remember Joel complaining that Microsoft
somehow disabled his Windows machine and he was unable to repair it.

Joel appears to be a switch hitter in more ways than one. He uses Windows for
a while, screws it up somehow then switches to Linux and claims Linux solved
all of his self inflicted issues.

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