Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>> I'm using about half of my [32 GB] RAM for main memory, with another 8 GB or
>> so for cache, but not one byte of swap. It's elite.
>
>You're 133t, dude!
>
>You are so 133t!
>
>LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>
>??????????????

Yeah, it is great, because I am showing the benefits of Linux.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-11-24 18:58, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> I'm using about half of my [32 GB] RAM for main memory, with another 8 GB or
>>> so for cache, but not one byte of swap. It's elite.
>>
>> You're 133t, dude!
>>
>> You are so 133t!
>>
>> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>>
>> ??????????????
>
>
> Yeah, it is great, because I am showing the benefits of Linux.
>

Your delusions of grandeur are hilarious.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>> Most people want the range of software that comes with using a Mac or a
>>> Windows machine.
>>
>> I agree that Winblows has a library of software available, that is
>> enticing to many people. Even excluding gaming, that is true, and I
>> acknowledge it. But it's funny how much one must sacrifice money or
>> performance, for the privilege. With Linux, I just don't have that
>> problem. Apple is better in terms of how it evolves over time, but
>> has an up-front cost that is prohibitive. Linux remains the only
>> viable solution.
>
>First of all, grow up.
>
>No one here is under any illusion about how you feel about Windows, so
>put on your big boy pants and just call it "Windows".

I'm sorry, but I have seen too many damn times, how M$ bloatware does
"blow" as in metaphorically suck dick, as the demands on hardware grow
with updates.

>And you've yet to show what the difference in cost is between your Linux
>system and an equivalent Mac.
>
>Funny that, huh?

It's definitely cheaper.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>> I'm using about half of my [32 GB] RAM for main memory, with another 8 GB or
>>>> so for cache, but not one byte of swap. It's elite.
>>>
>>> You're 133t, dude!
>>>
>>> You are so 133t!
>>>
>>> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>>>
>>> ??????????????
>>
>> Yeah, it is great, because I am showing the benefits of Linux.
>
>Your delusions of grandeur are hilarious.

It's self-evident. I won the game. I axed M$. I have a stable,
reliable system, with Linux. No end in sight.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-11-24 19:19, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> I'm using about half of my [32 GB] RAM for main memory, with another 8 GB or
>>>>> so for cache, but not one byte of swap. It's elite.
>>>>
>>>> You're 133t, dude!
>>>>
>>>> You are so 133t!
>>>>
>>>> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>>>>
>>>> ??????????????
>>>
>>> Yeah, it is great, because I am showing the benefits of Linux.
>>
>> Your delusions of grandeur are hilarious.
>
>
> It's self-evident. I won the game. I axed M$. I have a stable,
> reliable system, with Linux. No end in sight.
>

LOLOLOLOLLOL!

On 2024-11-24 19:17, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Most people want the range of software that comes with using a Mac or a
>>>> Windows machine.
>>>
>>> I agree that Winblows has a library of software available, that is
>>> enticing to many people. Even excluding gaming, that is true, and I
>>> acknowledge it. But it's funny how much one must sacrifice money or
>>> performance, for the privilege. With Linux, I just don't have that
>>> problem. Apple is better in terms of how it evolves over time, but
>>> has an up-front cost that is prohibitive. Linux remains the only
>>> viable solution.
>>
>> First of all, grow up.
>>
>> No one here is under any illusion about how you feel about Windows, so
>> put on your big boy pants and just call it "Windows".
>
>
> I'm sorry, but I have seen too many damn times, how M$ bloatware does
> "blow" as in metaphorically suck dick, as the demands on hardware grow
> with updates.
>
>
>> And you've yet to show what the difference in cost is between your Linux
>> system and an equivalent Mac.
>>
>> Funny that, huh?
>
>
> It's definitely cheaper.
>

So show us all!

Show us how much smarter you are!

Show us how you "won"!

On 11/24/24 6:33 PM, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>>>> he [JWC] knows that he
>>>> can't support his assertion that he made a rational product decision.
>>>
>>> Incorrect. I don't care about benchmarks.
>>
>> But you're trying to make comparisons of different products, so you need
>> to have some objective methodology to assess each one's relative value.
>> Without that, you're just making a blind "Oranges vs Kiwis" comparison
>> without knowing what either fruit even tastes like.
>
>
> I'm not doing data processing, I'm using a computer as an Internet
> portal, music player, that kind of thing.

But if that's the case, then why weren't you comparing your
not-really-so-high-end-afterall PC to a $599 Mac mini instead of a $1499
Studio?

> macOS and Winblows are grossly inferior to Linux, for my purposes.

What percentage of your 'purposes' is to just be snarky? /s

>>> I care about having a modern, reliable, functional system. And not
>>> breaking the bank to get it. Apple and M$ are endlessly requiring upgrades.
>>
>> Just what upgrades are these which you're referring to? Be specific.
>>
>> Because Apple has been criticized for the past ~decade because most of
>> their Macs' hardware is no longer user-upgradable, which makes your
>> claim effectively impossible.
>>
>> In any event, I've already looked at what info you've provided and noted
>> how CPU & RAM performance levels are roughly half of what you chose to
>> compare them against: how much would it cost you to upgrade your
>> current system to have double the performance on these two metrics?
>>
>> Not that you personally need it, but to determine if your claim that a
>> Studio was overpriced truely is due to brand, not hardware specs.
>
> The upgrade is of the whole system, yes, that's the point. Landfills
> and third-world countries receive the wasted corporate crapware
> systems. Whereas my box is still virtually brand new, to me.

But that comes back to the question of useful lifespan, which you've
avoided answering what your own track record is: has it been longer or
shorter than the 7 to 12 years which I currently have still in service?

Plus I've checked up on my 7 year old laptop's retail trade-in value and
its still well above zero, so if I were inclined to upgrade today, I
could sell it to someone else who'll get more years of life out of it.
Thus, (purchase price - sales price) / (years in service) = cost/year.

-hh

On 11/24/24 9:03 PM, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Have you actually upgraded your current system?
>>>>>
>>>>> Originally, I had no video card, and 16 GB RAM. I have a very basic
>>>>> NVIDIA card, and 32 GB RAM, now.
>>>> And how have those upgrades actually benefited you?
>>>>
>>>> You've described your use of the computer as:
>>>>
>>>> 'Internet portal, music player, that kind of thing.'
>>>>
>>>> So do you NEED a better video subsystem for that?
>>>
>>> I found that the Intel CPU video was weak for my 4K monitor, that I
>>> got subsequent to assembling the computer, originally I kept using my
>>> old 1080p monitor.
>>
>> So your judgment about computer systems seems flawed from the word go,
>> as you describe the monitor in a way that suggests that you had it when
>> you bought the system.
>>
>> Didn't do your research very well, huh?
>
>
> What? When I built the computer, the old monitor was still in use.
> Later, I bought a 4K monitor. The CPU's video handled it but barely,
> the NVIDIA card made it work more smoothly.

And yet when you bought this PC in 2022, you didn't anticipate the
likelihood of getting a 4K display to replace the 1080p when it died?

Remind us again for just much money you have sunk into it already?

>>>> Do you need 32GB of RAM to do that?
>>>>
>>>> Is Linux really that bad?
>>>
>>> I have Firefox, Chrome, Edge and LibreWolf browsers all running,
>>> several chat apps, Web apps for Bluesky, Twitter/X and Threads, and
>>> for Copilot, LibreOffice Writer, GIMP. It's not a matter of Linux
>>> needing RAM, it's a matter of wanting to multitask numerous things for
>>> any OS. I'd have done the same thing if I'd kept Win11.
>>
>> I currently have 25 Safari windows open with a total of 273 tabs, as
>> well as Thunderbird, Apple Mail, Microsoft Teams, Calendar, Finder....
>>
>>
>> ...and I'll open up all three Microsoft Office main apps (Word, Excel,
>> PowerPoint)...
>>
>> ...and with all of that I'm still only at 2/3 on the "Memory Pressure"
>> graph in Activity Monitor (which, of course, is also open; oh, and
>> Script Editor to perform the count of open Safari tabs)...
>>
>> ...and that's with just 16GB of RAM.
>
>
> I don't know how to analyze that in some conclusive way. I just know
> that with 32 GB, I rarely even use one byte of swap.

Which means that you may have overspent, while trying to showcase
yourself as being highly frugal by eschewing brands like Apple.

-hh

On 11/24/24 7:54 PM, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> I value my computer. Linux is the best thing to put on it.
>>>>
>>>> As I said: it's a cult where you don't like "corporate" and "commercial".
>>>
>>> Not when such abuse me, right.
>> How does someone selling a product "abuse" you?
>>
>> Do you even hear yourself?
>
>
> Windows 11 grew in demands on hardware in a mere two years. 21H2 vs.
> 23H2. What the hell is that? Why can't a machine assembled the same
> year, as its initial release, run it, for the full 10 years, without
> being a piece of junk? Fuck M$. Linux FTW.
>

When have you ever kept the same hardware configuration for 10 years?

For that matter, what's the longest that you've gone to date?

After all, you didn't even go 2 years with your 2022 box, as you've
admitted that you made a video upgrade because its original 'high-end'
configuration couldn't even adequately handle one (1) 4K display.

-hh

On 11/24/24 9:58 PM, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> I'm using about half of my [32 GB] RAM for main memory, with another 8 GB or
>>> so for cache, but not one byte of swap. It's elite.
>>
>> You're 133t, dude!
>>
>> You are so 133t!
>>
>> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>>
>> ??????????????
>
>
> Yeah, it is great, because I am showing the benefits of Linux.
>

But you did have to set that up Linux yourself, right?
And how much time, research, & testing did it take you?

-hh

On 2024-11-24 19:48, -hh wrote:
> On 11/24/24 9:58 PM, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm using about half of my [32 GB] RAM for main memory, with another
>>>> 8 GB or
>>>> so for cache, but not one byte of swap.  It's elite.
>>>
>>> You're 133t, dude!
>>>
>>> You are so 133t!
>>>
>>> LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>>>
>>> ??????????????
>>
>>
>> Yeah, it is great, because I am showing the benefits of Linux.
>>
>
> But you did have to set that up Linux yourself, right?
> And how much time, research, & testing did it take you?
>
> -hh

Apparently not much.

He couldn't future-proof his video system.

😜

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>> When I built the computer, the old monitor was still in use.
>> Later, I bought a 4K monitor. The CPU's video handled it but barely,
>> the NVIDIA card made it work more smoothly.
>
>And yet when you bought this PC in 2022, you didn't anticipate the
>likelihood of getting a 4K display to replace the 1080p when it died?

What difference would that have made? I had the option of adding more
hardware, that's one of the benefits of what I did. And it was 2021,
when I built the computer initially.

>Remind us again for just much money you have sunk into it already?

The video card was around $100.

>> I just know
>> that with 32 GB, I rarely even use one byte of swap.
>
>Which means that you may have overspent, while trying to showcase
>yourself as being highly frugal by eschewing brands like Apple.

Nope, 32 GB is about right, for my usage.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>> I am showing the benefits of Linux.
>
>But you did have to set that up Linux yourself, right?
>And how much time, research, & testing did it take you?

Nothing happens without action. You can pay Apple or M$ to do it for
you, or you can do it yourself. Doing it myself gives me fabulous
results, within a reasonable budget.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>He couldn't future-proof his video system.
>
>?

Are you really so surprised that the CPU's integrated video wouldn't
do well, with 4K? It seems obvious that it'd help to have a discreet
video card, I didn't need an expensive one, it's not a big deal. I'm
glad to spend a little, to get a lot of mileage.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-11-24 20:20, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>> He couldn't future-proof his video system.
>>
>> ?
>
>
> Are you really so surprised that the CPU's integrated video wouldn't
> do well, with 4K? It seems obvious that it'd help to have a discreet
> video card, I didn't need an expensive one, it's not a big deal. I'm
> glad to spend a little, to get a lot of mileage.
>

/I'm/ not...

....but apparently you were.

On 2024-11-24 20:15, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>>> I am showing the benefits of Linux.
>>
>> But you did have to set that up Linux yourself, right?
>> And how much time, research, & testing did it take you?
>
>
> Nothing happens without action. You can pay Apple or M$ to do it for
> you, or you can do it yourself. Doing it myself gives me fabulous
> results, within a reasonable budget.
>

Results you won't quantify...

....on a budget you won't quantify.

Got it.

On 2024-11-24 20:13, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>>> When I built the computer, the old monitor was still in use.
>>> Later, I bought a 4K monitor. The CPU's video handled it but barely,
>>> the NVIDIA card made it work more smoothly.
>>
>> And yet when you bought this PC in 2022, you didn't anticipate the
>> likelihood of getting a 4K display to replace the 1080p when it died?
>
>
> What difference would that have made? I had the option of adding more
> hardware, that's one of the benefits of what I did. And it was 2021,
> when I built the computer initially.
>
>
>> Remind us again for just much money you have sunk into it already?
>
>
> The video card was around $100.
>
>
>>> I just know
>>> that with 32 GB, I rarely even use one byte of swap.
>>
>> Which means that you may have overspent, while trying to showcase
>> yourself as being highly frugal by eschewing brands like Apple.
>
>
> Nope, 32 GB is about right, for my usage.
Then Linux is a memory hog.

I do at least as much if not more...

....with half the RAM.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>> He couldn't future-proof his video system.
>>>
>>> ?
>>
>> Are you really so surprised that the CPU's integrated video wouldn't
>> do well, with 4K? It seems obvious that it'd help to have a discreet
>> video card, I didn't need an expensive one, it's not a big deal. I'm
>> glad to spend a little, to get a lot of mileage.
>
>/I'm/ not...
>
>...but apparently you were.

No I wasn't surprised, and I handled it, I bought an inexpensive card.
Big F'ing deal.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 11/24/24 11:13 PM, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>>> When I built the computer, the old monitor was still in use.
>>> Later, I bought a 4K monitor. The CPU's video handled it but barely,
>>> the NVIDIA card made it work more smoothly.
>>
>> And yet when you bought this PC in 2022, you didn't anticipate the
>> likelihood of getting a 4K display to replace the 1080p when it died?
>
> What difference would that have made?

Because buying a subsystem just once instead of buying it twice may
mean that you pay less overall: "Lifecyle cost management 101."

> I had the option of adding more hardware, that's one of the benefits
> of what I did. And it was 2021, when I built the computer initially.

Buying effectively obsolete trailing technology has little to do with
paying for optionality.

Now granted, it used to be a smart strategy to buy "state of the shelf"
hardware for use today because newly released hardware's price was high
today, but would drop within a year, resulting in a net savings from
deferring the purchase of the expensive subsystem.

But the value of that strategy has eroded over the past decade, as the
time-price gradient has flattened tremendously for mainstream PCs. What
used to be the likes of a -30%/year curve is now but a fraction of that.

Case in point on video tech: by 2021, 4K was already 20 years old. The
steep part of the price curve allowed it to enter the consumer PC market
back in 2013 ... and 8 years later (2021), you're buying
"less-than-4K" capable stuff, well after the price curve for 4K has
already flattened.

>> Remind us again for just much money you have sunk into it already?
>
> The video card was around $100.

Which gets added to the 2021 base system's price, bringing your total
invested lifecycle cost to date to be ... how much?

>>> I just know
>>> that with 32 GB, I rarely even use one byte of swap.
>>
>> Which means that you may have overspent, while trying to showcase
>> yourself as being highly frugal by eschewing brands like Apple.
>
> Nope, 32 GB is about right, for my usage.

Not today it isn't: it is still being underutilized at ~3 years system
age, which undermines your claimed argument of the value of moduarlity
for lower lifecycle costs. Looks like you were 5+ years too early in
spending money for RAM that you won't really need until after 2027.

-hh

On 11/25/24 2:46 AM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-11-24 20:15, Joel wrote:
>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I am showing the benefits of Linux.
>>>
>>> But you did have to set that up Linux yourself, right?
>>> And how much time, research, & testing did it take you?
>>
>>
>> Nothing happens without action.  You can pay Apple or M$ to do it for
>> you, or you can do it yourself.  Doing it myself gives me fabulous
>> results, within a reasonable budget.
>>
>
> Results you won't quantify...
>
> ...on a budget you won't quantify.
>
> Got it.

That too, but it wasn't really my point here.

Point was the braggadocio on having to go manually set up a capability
that mainstream OS users already have, and take for granted.

To use an automotive analogy, its like he's bragging that he upgraded
his carb to have automatic choke ... not realizing that everyone else
looks at them, thinking: "there's still cars which have a manual choke?"

-hh

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ttv3kj9tq95c3ajcle6fhqmdqu0vronshd@4ax.com...
> Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>As I said, my desktop is from 2009 and it runs Windows 10 just fine.
>>This is well known information as I've posted using it for years.
>
>
> You have low standards. 10 was great for my machine, built in 2021
> with a 10th gen i5 CPU and NVMe storage, but 11 23H2 was already
> getting more bloated than I care to use, and I've been solidly with
> Linux for the last year. Win10 is a dead end, and the only salvation
> for your ancient machine would be Linux.

Your version of Linux is a dead end.. and will die in less time than it will
take Win10 to do so.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> Apple is the enemy, to be blunt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In what sense?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who or what are the the enemy OF?
>>>>>
>>>>> People who like getting value for money.
>>>>
>>>> The very fact that Apple's customer loyalty is absolutely outstanding
>>>> suggests that people think they offer excellent value for money.
>>>>
>>>> Next.
>>>
>>> It suggests that people have disposable income that they put toward
>>> Apple gear, incessantly, it's ridiculous how little storage you get by
>>> default with their devices, I had a 1 TB NVMe drive as a part, it's
>>> still going 3 1/2 years later, at the time the iMac or Mac mini
>>> would've had a small amount of storage, and still cost a lot. You're
>>> a sucker if you use Apple's crap hardware and software.
>>
>>Anyone who disagrees with you about how to spend his or her money is
>>sucker?
>>
>>Is that your position?
>
>
> If Trump can call veterans losers and suckers, I sure as fucking hell
> can call Apple victims such.

We note that your standards of conduct are no better than those of Trump
whose conduct you find offensive.

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
news:vhth31$1sa5q$1@dont-email.me...
> On 2024-11-23 13:10, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> Apple is the enemy, to be blunt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In what sense?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who or what are the the enemy OF?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People who like getting value for money.
>>>>>
>>>>> The very fact that Apple's customer loyalty is absolutely outstanding
>>>>> suggests that people think they offer excellent value for money.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next.
>>>>
>>>> It suggests that people have disposable income that they put toward
>>>> Apple gear, incessantly, it's ridiculous how little storage you get by
>>>> default with their devices, I had a 1 TB NVMe drive as a part, it's
>>>> still going 3 1/2 years later, at the time the iMac or Mac mini
>>>> would've had a small amount of storage, and still cost a lot. You're
>>>> a sucker if you use Apple's crap hardware and software.
>>>
>>> Anyone who disagrees with you about how to spend his or her money is
>>> sucker?
>>>
>>> Is that your position?
>>
>>
>> If Trump can call veterans losers and suckers, I sure as fucking hell
>> can call Apple victims such.
>
> How are those two related? "joel"?

Joel knows himself to be as bad a person as he sees Trump to be?????

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5bl4kjd1v649pdolslktukjcv3jrc39sd2@4ax.com...
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Anyone who disagrees with you about how to spend his or her money is
>>>>>> sucker?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is that your position?
>>>>>
>>>>> If Trump can call veterans losers and suckers, I sure as fucking hell
>>>>> can call Apple victims such.
>>>>
>>>> How are those two related? "joel"?
>>>
>>> Related, no, metaphorically kind of the same use of language.
>>
>>OK. So?
>>
>>Why are YOU using it?
>
>
> Because I'm dumbfounded by the prices of Apple's hardware. $2000 for
> the Mac Studio with 32 GB RAM and 512 GB storage. What a piece of
> shit.

And yet the professionals love it because it is superior to any other
offering out there.

But hey, what would a butt fucker like you know about that?

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> If Trump can call veterans losers and suckers, I sure as fucking
>>>>>>> hell
>>>>>>> can call Apple victims such.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How are those two related? "joel"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Related, no, metaphorically kind of the same use of language.
>>>>
>>>> OK. So?
>>>>
>>>> Why are YOU using it?
>>>
>>> Because I'm dumbfounded by the prices of Apple's hardware. $2000 for
>>> the Mac Studio with 32 GB RAM and 512 GB storage. What a piece of
>>> shit.
>>
>>Sorry, but things aren't "shit" because of their price.
>>
>>Have you looked at the benchmarks for that machine...
>>
>>...or better yet (since the Studio is quite a bit out-of-date), the Mac
>>Mini with an M4Pro, 48GB of RAM and 1TB drive for the same price?
>
>
> I have 32 GB RAM and a 1 TB NVMe drive, admittedly my CPU is older,
> but one doesn't always need more horsepower, I didn't break the bank
> to get what I have.

And a faction of the performance of Apple's offering.

You're like the guy driving a big heavy V8 that can barely get out of it's
own way. Some of the numbers might look great.. just don't look to closely
at the actual performance.