Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:

>my desktop is from 2009 and it currently has Windows 10 on it,
>where I've had full hotfix support since then for no additional cost.

Oh sure, a 2009 model desktop will run Win10 in its current iterations
just peachy, give me a break. You need an NVMe drive, realistically,
even a SATA SSD on a machine that old is gonna suck balls. You're
kidding yourself, to believe M$ gives a shit about you. Linux FTW.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-11-23 12:26, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Apple is the enemy, to be blunt.
>>>>
>>>> In what sense?
>>>>
>>>> Who or what are the the enemy OF?
>>>
>>> People who like getting value for money.
>>
>> The very fact that Apple's customer loyalty is absolutely outstanding
>> suggests that people think they offer excellent value for money.
>>
>> Next.
>
>
> It suggests that people have disposable income that they put toward
> Apple gear, incessantly, it's ridiculous how little storage you get by
> default with their devices, I had a 1 TB NVMe drive as a part, it's
> still going 3 1/2 years later, at the time the iMac or Mac mini
> would've had a small amount of storage, and still cost a lot. You're
> a sucker if you use Apple's crap hardware and software.
Anyone who disagrees with you about how to spend his or her money is sucker?

Is that your position?

Does Apple charge more for storage and memory upgrades? Absolutely they do.

Do people choose to pay for those upgrades because they value the entire
package?

Yup.

Do you think those people are incapable of seeing the difference in
price between Apple's offerings and other devices?

What makes Apple's hardware "crap"?

What makes their software "crap"?

On 2024-11-23 12:27, Joel wrote:
> Wayne <wayne@ksu.e_> wrote:
>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:br74kjtprmoc2pmmmhdqpmn79jnpuuuvve@4ax.com:
>>>
>>> Apple is the enemy, to be blunt. M$ is bad enough, but at least their
>>> shit is advanced on its own merits, macOS is only that to the extent
>>> that it's Unix.
>>
>> But, but, Apple AI can rewrite a three sentence email for you and cloak
>> your use of social media ebonics.
>
>
> I would not know about that BS. However, I have M$'s Copilot, in
> Linux. I created a Web app for it. :)
>

So you can do something that 99.9% of the people who do want to use a
computer could never do, because they lack the time to learn the skill
necessary.

There are people who do all the work on their own carbureted and
distributor-using cars, too.

But most people want to just get in and drive.

[Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:

>Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>my desktop is from 2009 and it currently has Windows 10 on it,
>>where I've had full hotfix support since then for no additional cost.
>
>
>Oh sure, a 2009 model desktop will run Win10 in its current iterations
>just peachy, give me a break. You need an NVMe drive, realistically,
>even a SATA SSD on a machine that old is gonna suck balls. You're
>kidding yourself, to believe M$ gives a shit about you. Linux FTW.

And then you can take advantage of the 100 shitty Linux apps out
there, or run crippled versions of Windows apps using Wine!

ROFLMAO

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>>> Apple is the enemy, to be blunt.
>>>>>
>>>>> In what sense?
>>>>>
>>>>> Who or what are the the enemy OF?
>>>>
>>>> People who like getting value for money.
>>>
>>> The very fact that Apple's customer loyalty is absolutely outstanding
>>> suggests that people think they offer excellent value for money.
>>>
>>> Next.
>>
>> It suggests that people have disposable income that they put toward
>> Apple gear, incessantly, it's ridiculous how little storage you get by
>> default with their devices, I had a 1 TB NVMe drive as a part, it's
>> still going 3 1/2 years later, at the time the iMac or Mac mini
>> would've had a small amount of storage, and still cost a lot. You're
>> a sucker if you use Apple's crap hardware and software.
>
>Anyone who disagrees with you about how to spend his or her money is sucker?
>
>Is that your position?

If Trump can call veterans losers and suckers, I sure as fucking hell
can call Apple victims such.

>Does Apple charge more for storage and memory upgrades? Absolutely they do.
>
>Do people choose to pay for those upgrades because they value the entire
>package?
>
>Yup.
>
>Do you think those people are incapable of seeing the difference in
>price between Apple's offerings and other devices?
>
>What makes Apple's hardware "crap"?
>
>What makes their software "crap"?

I have a killer computer, because I'm using modern gear with Linux.
It's the only way to achieve this. Winblows 11 isn't it. Winblows 10
is a dead end. Macs are overpriced geekware. Linux rules the
desktop.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2024-11-23 12:27, Joel wrote:
>> Wayne <wayne@ksu.e_> wrote:
>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:br74kjtprmoc2pmmmhdqpmn79jnpuuuvve@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>> Apple is the enemy, to be blunt. M$ is bad enough, but at least their
>>>> shit is advanced on its own merits, macOS is only that to the extent
>>>> that it's Unix.
>>>
>>> But, but, Apple AI can rewrite a three sentence email for you and cloak
>>> your use of social media ebonics.
>>
>> I would not know about that BS. However, I have M$'s Copilot, in
>> Linux. I created a Web app for it. :)
>
>So you can do something that 99.9% of the people who do want to use a
>computer could never do, because they lack the time to learn the skill
>necessary.
>
>There are people who do all the work on their own carbureted and
>distributor-using cars, too.
>
>But most people want to just get in and drive.

You're making my case, yep, people who refuse to learn anything get
what they get. Which is paying money. They pay it for tech support,
repairs, on and on. I rely on myself, and get incredible value for
the dollar.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-11-23 13:10, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> Apple is the enemy, to be blunt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In what sense?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who or what are the the enemy OF?
>>>>>
>>>>> People who like getting value for money.
>>>>
>>>> The very fact that Apple's customer loyalty is absolutely outstanding
>>>> suggests that people think they offer excellent value for money.
>>>>
>>>> Next.
>>>
>>> It suggests that people have disposable income that they put toward
>>> Apple gear, incessantly, it's ridiculous how little storage you get by
>>> default with their devices, I had a 1 TB NVMe drive as a part, it's
>>> still going 3 1/2 years later, at the time the iMac or Mac mini
>>> would've had a small amount of storage, and still cost a lot. You're
>>> a sucker if you use Apple's crap hardware and software.
>>
>> Anyone who disagrees with you about how to spend his or her money is sucker?
>>
>> Is that your position?
>
>
> If Trump can call veterans losers and suckers, I sure as fucking hell
> can call Apple victims such.

How are those two related? "joel"?

>
>
>> Does Apple charge more for storage and memory upgrades? Absolutely they do.
>>
>> Do people choose to pay for those upgrades because they value the entire
>> package?
>>
>> Yup.
>>
>> Do you think those people are incapable of seeing the difference in
>> price between Apple's offerings and other devices?
>>
>> What makes Apple's hardware "crap"?
>>
>> What makes their software "crap"?
>
>
> I have a killer computer, because I'm using modern gear with Linux.

Not an answer to any of my questions.

> It's the only way to achieve this.

Not an answer to any of my questions.

> Winblows 11 isn't it. Winblows 10
> is a dead end. Macs are overpriced geekware. Linux rules the
> desktop.
Why do you fail to address a single question I actually asked?

On 2024-11-23 13:12, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-11-23 12:27, Joel wrote:
>>> Wayne <wayne@ksu.e_> wrote:
>>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:br74kjtprmoc2pmmmhdqpmn79jnpuuuvve@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple is the enemy, to be blunt. M$ is bad enough, but at least their
>>>>> shit is advanced on its own merits, macOS is only that to the extent
>>>>> that it's Unix.
>>>>
>>>> But, but, Apple AI can rewrite a three sentence email for you and cloak
>>>> your use of social media ebonics.
>>>
>>> I would not know about that BS. However, I have M$'s Copilot, in
>>> Linux. I created a Web app for it. :)
>>
>> So you can do something that 99.9% of the people who do want to use a
>> computer could never do, because they lack the time to learn the skill
>> necessary.
>>
>> There are people who do all the work on their own carbureted and
>> distributor-using cars, too.
>>
>> But most people want to just get in and drive.
>
>
> You're making my case, yep, people who refuse to learn anything get
> what they get. Which is paying money. They pay it for tech support,
> repairs, on and on. I rely on myself, and get incredible value for
> the dollar.
Not with Apple products.

Apple products require LESS tech support than the other choices.

Joel wrote:

> Alan wrote:
>>
>>Anyone who disagrees with you about how to spend his or her money is sucker?
>>
>>Is that your position?
>
>If Trump can call veterans losers and suckers, I sure as fucking hell
>can call Apple victims such.

"Nice" logic, "Joel".

I'd call the waving the white flag.

Only assholes ridicule others for their choices. Within reason,
anyway. Some choices are worthy of ridicule, but buying Apple
products sure isn't one of them.

--
"See, now there's a photo that isn't crap. Well done!' - "-hh",
admiring a photo of chrisv's rear-end

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>> Apple is the enemy, to be blunt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In what sense?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who or what are the the enemy OF?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People who like getting value for money.
>>>>>
>>>>> The very fact that Apple's customer loyalty is absolutely outstanding
>>>>> suggests that people think they offer excellent value for money.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next.
>>>>
>>>> It suggests that people have disposable income that they put toward
>>>> Apple gear, incessantly, it's ridiculous how little storage you get by
>>>> default with their devices, I had a 1 TB NVMe drive as a part, it's
>>>> still going 3 1/2 years later, at the time the iMac or Mac mini
>>>> would've had a small amount of storage, and still cost a lot. You're
>>>> a sucker if you use Apple's crap hardware and software.
>>>
>>> Anyone who disagrees with you about how to spend his or her money is sucker?
>>>
>>> Is that your position?
>>
>> If Trump can call veterans losers and suckers, I sure as fucking hell
>> can call Apple victims such.
>
>How are those two related? "joel"?

Related, no, metaphorically kind of the same use of language.

>>> Does Apple charge more for storage and memory upgrades? Absolutely they do.
>>>
>>> Do people choose to pay for those upgrades because they value the entire
>>> package?
>>>
>>> Yup.
>>>
>>> Do you think those people are incapable of seeing the difference in
>>> price between Apple's offerings and other devices?
>>>
>>> What makes Apple's hardware "crap"?
>>>
>>> What makes their software "crap"?
>>
>> I have a killer computer, because I'm using modern gear with Linux.
>
>Not an answer to any of my questions.
>
>> It's the only way to achieve this.
>
>Not an answer to any of my questions.
>
>> Winblows 11 isn't it. Winblows 10
>> is a dead end. Macs are overpriced geekware. Linux rules the
>> desktop.
>Why do you fail to address a single question I actually asked?

The answer is simple, I paid less to get high-end gear.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2024-11-23 13:12, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-11-23 12:27, Joel wrote:
>>>> Wayne <wayne@ksu.e_> wrote:
>>>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:br74kjtprmoc2pmmmhdqpmn79jnpuuuvve@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple is the enemy, to be blunt. M$ is bad enough, but at least their
>>>>>> shit is advanced on its own merits, macOS is only that to the extent
>>>>>> that it's Unix.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, but, Apple AI can rewrite a three sentence email for you and cloak
>>>>> your use of social media ebonics.
>>>>
>>>> I would not know about that BS. However, I have M$'s Copilot, in
>>>> Linux. I created a Web app for it. :)
>>>
>>> So you can do something that 99.9% of the people who do want to use a
>>> computer could never do, because they lack the time to learn the skill
>>> necessary.
>>>
>>> There are people who do all the work on their own carbureted and
>>> distributor-using cars, too.
>>>
>>> But most people want to just get in and drive.
>>
>> You're making my case, yep, people who refuse to learn anything get
>> what they get. Which is paying money. They pay it for tech support,
>> repairs, on and on. I rely on myself, and get incredible value for
>> the dollar.
>Not with Apple products.
>
>Apple products require LESS tech support than the other choices.

Probably true, they're so simple that an insect could operate them,
almost, there's nothing advanced until one ventures into the Unix side
of the OS. But what do I need of that, when Linux exists? Take out
the middleman.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-11-23 13:48, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>> Apple is the enemy, to be blunt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In what sense?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who or what are the the enemy OF?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People who like getting value for money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The very fact that Apple's customer loyalty is absolutely outstanding
>>>>>> suggests that people think they offer excellent value for money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Next.
>>>>>
>>>>> It suggests that people have disposable income that they put toward
>>>>> Apple gear, incessantly, it's ridiculous how little storage you get by
>>>>> default with their devices, I had a 1 TB NVMe drive as a part, it's
>>>>> still going 3 1/2 years later, at the time the iMac or Mac mini
>>>>> would've had a small amount of storage, and still cost a lot. You're
>>>>> a sucker if you use Apple's crap hardware and software.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone who disagrees with you about how to spend his or her money is sucker?
>>>>
>>>> Is that your position?
>>>
>>> If Trump can call veterans losers and suckers, I sure as fucking hell
>>> can call Apple victims such.
>>
>> How are those two related? "joel"?
>
>
> Related, no, metaphorically kind of the same use of language.

OK. So?

Why are YOU using it?

>
>
>>>> Does Apple charge more for storage and memory upgrades? Absolutely they do.
>>>>
>>>> Do people choose to pay for those upgrades because they value the entire
>>>> package?
>>>>
>>>> Yup.
>>>>
>>>> Do you think those people are incapable of seeing the difference in
>>>> price between Apple's offerings and other devices?
>>>>
>>>> What makes Apple's hardware "crap"?
>>>>
>>>> What makes their software "crap"?
>>>
>>> I have a killer computer, because I'm using modern gear with Linux.
>>
>> Not an answer to any of my questions.
>>
>>> It's the only way to achieve this.
>>
>> Not an answer to any of my questions.
>>
>>> Winblows 11 isn't it. Winblows 10
>>> is a dead end. Macs are overpriced geekware. Linux rules the
>>> desktop.
>> Why do you fail to address a single question I actually asked?
>
>
> The answer is simple, I paid less to get high-end gear.
You paid a price in other ways...

....and you know it.

What makes Apple's hardware "crap"?

Cost is NOT an answer to that question.

On 2024-11-23 13:50, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-11-23 13:12, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-11-23 12:27, Joel wrote:
>>>>> Wayne <wayne@ksu.e_> wrote:
>>>>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:br74kjtprmoc2pmmmhdqpmn79jnpuuuvve@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple is the enemy, to be blunt. M$ is bad enough, but at least their
>>>>>>> shit is advanced on its own merits, macOS is only that to the extent
>>>>>>> that it's Unix.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, but, Apple AI can rewrite a three sentence email for you and cloak
>>>>>> your use of social media ebonics.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would not know about that BS. However, I have M$'s Copilot, in
>>>>> Linux. I created a Web app for it. :)
>>>>
>>>> So you can do something that 99.9% of the people who do want to use a
>>>> computer could never do, because they lack the time to learn the skill
>>>> necessary.
>>>>
>>>> There are people who do all the work on their own carbureted and
>>>> distributor-using cars, too.
>>>>
>>>> But most people want to just get in and drive.
>>>
>>> You're making my case, yep, people who refuse to learn anything get
>>> what they get. Which is paying money. They pay it for tech support,
>>> repairs, on and on. I rely on myself, and get incredible value for
>>> the dollar.
>> Not with Apple products.
>>
>> Apple products require LESS tech support than the other choices.
>
>
> Probably true, they're so simple that an insect could operate them,
> almost, there's nothing advanced until one ventures into the Unix side
> of the OS. But what do I need of that, when Linux exists? Take out
> the middleman.
>

But you have the Unix side as well as the easy side.

And you may not need it.

But if you pretend that most people should use Linux because it works
for you... ...you're just delusional.

Klaus Schadenfreude wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> [Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>
>>Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>>>my desktop is from 2009 and it currently has Windows 10 on it,
>>>where I've had full hotfix support since then for no additional cost.
>>
>>Oh sure, a 2009 model desktop will run Win10 in its current iterations
>>just peachy, give me a break. You need an NVMe drive, realistically,
>>even a SATA SSD on a machine that old is gonna suck balls. You're
>>kidding yourself, to believe M$ gives a shit about you. Linux FTW.
>
> And then you can take advantage of the 100 shitty Linux apps out
> there, or run crippled versions of Windows apps using Wine!
>
> ROFLMAO

There are far more shitty Windows apps.

Anyway, I do what I do, on Linux, no Wine. I do boot to Windows to make sure my
code runs on it as well.

--
Hit them biscuits with another touch of gravy,
Burn that sausage just a match or two more done.
Pour my black old coffee longer,
While that smell is gettin' stronger
A semi-meal ain't nuthin' much to want.
Loan me ten, I got a feelin' it'll save me,
With an ornery soul who don't shoot pool for fun,
If that coat'll fit you're wearin',
The Lord'll bless your sharin'
A semi-friend ain't nuthin' much to want.
And let me halfway fall in love,
For part of a lonely night,
With a semi-pretty woman in my arms.
Yes, I could halfway fall in deep--
Into a snugglin', lovin' heap,
With a semi-pretty woman in my arms.
-- Elroy Blunt

On 2024-11-23 12:39:17 +0000, Chris Ahlstrom said:
> Andrew wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>
>> Microsoft's hotfix support for Windows is the best in the industry.
>
> Arch Linux user: <laughs>
>
> Samsung tablet/phone user: <chuckles>
>
> <redneck groups snipped>

If Microsloth's hotfix was the best, it would be because they get
*plenty* of practice because Windoze needs an update every other day.

Of course, the reality is that Microsloth's hotfix patches are just as
hopelessly awful as everything else they do. In this case "practice
does NOT make perfect".

On 2024-11-23 14:05, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>
>> [Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>
>>> Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> my desktop is from 2009 and it currently has Windows 10 on it,
>>>> where I've had full hotfix support since then for no additional cost.
>>>
>>> Oh sure, a 2009 model desktop will run Win10 in its current iterations
>>> just peachy, give me a break. You need an NVMe drive, realistically,
>>> even a SATA SSD on a machine that old is gonna suck balls. You're
>>> kidding yourself, to believe M$ gives a shit about you. Linux FTW.
>>
>> And then you can take advantage of the 100 shitty Linux apps out
>> there, or run crippled versions of Windows apps using Wine!
>>
>> ROFLMAO
>
> There are far more shitty Windows apps.

When there are far more apps overall, there are going to be more shitty
ones as well.

:-)

>
> Anyway, I do what I do, on Linux, no Wine. I do boot to Windows to make sure my
> code runs on it as well.
Sure. And those who are technically versed and willing to spend more
time on setting up the system can use Linux and be happy.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>> Anyone who disagrees with you about how to spend his or her money is sucker?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that your position?
>>>>
>>>> If Trump can call veterans losers and suckers, I sure as fucking hell
>>>> can call Apple victims such.
>>>
>>> How are those two related? "joel"?
>>
>> Related, no, metaphorically kind of the same use of language.
>
>OK. So?
>
>Why are YOU using it?

Because I'm dumbfounded by the prices of Apple's hardware. $2000 for
the Mac Studio with 32 GB RAM and 512 GB storage. What a piece of
shit.

>>>> Winblows 11 isn't it. Winblows 10
>>>> is a dead end. Macs are overpriced geekware. Linux rules the
>>>> desktop.
>>> Why do you fail to address a single question I actually asked?
>>
>> The answer is simple, I paid less to get high-end gear.
>You paid a price in other ways...
>
>...and you know it.
>
>What makes Apple's hardware "crap"?
>
>Cost is NOT an answer to that question.

The price I paid in other ways is called using my brain. Apple drones
are sheep. Cost is the answer to the question because not everyone
can afford to purchase these elite devices from Apple, not everyone
would want to either given the goofiness of the OS. Linux is
difficult, I admit, unless one uses Mint casually, but you get so much
more bang for buck.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>> Apple products require LESS tech support than the other choices.
>>
>> Probably true, they're so simple that an insect could operate them,
>> almost, there's nothing advanced until one ventures into the Unix side
>> of the OS. But what do I need of that, when Linux exists? Take out
>> the middleman.
>
>But you have the Unix side as well as the easy side.
>
>And you may not need it.
>
>But if you pretend that most people should use Linux because it works
>for you... ...you're just delusional.

Mint is easy enough. They basically reproduce Microsoft's interface.
If people are too stupid to even use that, well, enjoy your landfills
full of Dell laptops, dumbasses.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>Klaus Schadenfreude wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>> [Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>my desktop is from 2009 and it currently has Windows 10 on it,
>>>>where I've had full hotfix support since then for no additional cost.
>>>
>>>Oh sure, a 2009 model desktop will run Win10 in its current iterations
>>>just peachy, give me a break. You need an NVMe drive, realistically,
>>>even a SATA SSD on a machine that old is gonna suck balls. You're
>>>kidding yourself, to believe M$ gives a shit about you. Linux FTW.
>>
>> And then you can take advantage of the 100 shitty Linux apps out
>> there, or run crippled versions of Windows apps using Wine!
>>
>> ROFLMAO
>
>There are far more shitty Windows apps.
>
>Anyway, I do what I do, on Linux, no Wine. I do boot to Windows to make sure my
>code runs on it as well.

You have to forgive old Klaus, he's too Caucasian and stupid. Loves
Trump and guns. Nuff said.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-11-23 14:46, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Anyone who disagrees with you about how to spend his or her money is sucker?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is that your position?
>>>>>
>>>>> If Trump can call veterans losers and suckers, I sure as fucking hell
>>>>> can call Apple victims such.
>>>>
>>>> How are those two related? "joel"?
>>>
>>> Related, no, metaphorically kind of the same use of language.
>>
>> OK. So?
>>
>> Why are YOU using it?
>
>
> Because I'm dumbfounded by the prices of Apple's hardware. $2000 for
> the Mac Studio with 32 GB RAM and 512 GB storage. What a piece of
> shit.

Sorry, but things aren't "shit" because of their price.

Have you looked at the benchmarks for that machine...

....or better yet (since the Studio is quite a bit out-of-date), the Mac
Mini with an M4Pro, 48GB of RAM and 1TB drive for the same price?

>
>
>>>>> Winblows 11 isn't it. Winblows 10
>>>>> is a dead end. Macs are overpriced geekware. Linux rules the
>>>>> desktop.
>>>> Why do you fail to address a single question I actually asked?
>>>
>>> The answer is simple, I paid less to get high-end gear.
>> You paid a price in other ways...
>>
>> ...and you know it.
>>
>> What makes Apple's hardware "crap"?
>>
>> Cost is NOT an answer to that question.
>
>
> The price I paid in other ways is called using my brain. Apple drones
> are sheep. Cost is the answer to the question because not everyone
> can afford to purchase these elite devices from Apple, not everyone
> would want to either given the goofiness of the OS. Linux is
> difficult, I admit, unless one uses Mint casually, but you get so much
> more bang for buck.

Again, you fail to actually answer the question about in what way
Apple's hardware is supposedly "crap".

Try again.

On 2024-11-23 14:49, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Apple products require LESS tech support than the other choices.
>>>
>>> Probably true, they're so simple that an insect could operate them,
>>> almost, there's nothing advanced until one ventures into the Unix side
>>> of the OS. But what do I need of that, when Linux exists? Take out
>>> the middleman.
>>
>> But you have the Unix side as well as the easy side.
>>
>> And you may not need it.
>>
>> But if you pretend that most people should use Linux because it works
>> for you... ...you're just delusional.
>
>
> Mint is easy enough. They basically reproduce Microsoft's interface.
> If people are too stupid to even use that, well, enjoy your landfills
> full of Dell laptops, dumbasses.
>

Yeah...

Everyone who doesn't see the world EXACTLY the way you see it is a
sucker and a loser...

....right?

On 2024-11-23 14:51, Joel wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>> [Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>> Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> my desktop is from 2009 and it currently has Windows 10 on it,
>>>>> where I've had full hotfix support since then for no additional cost.
>>>>
>>>> Oh sure, a 2009 model desktop will run Win10 in its current iterations
>>>> just peachy, give me a break. You need an NVMe drive, realistically,
>>>> even a SATA SSD on a machine that old is gonna suck balls. You're
>>>> kidding yourself, to believe M$ gives a shit about you. Linux FTW.
>>>
>>> And then you can take advantage of the 100 shitty Linux apps out
>>> there, or run crippled versions of Windows apps using Wine!
>>>
>>> ROFLMAO
>>
>> There are far more shitty Windows apps.
>>
>> Anyway, I do what I do, on Linux, no Wine. I do boot to Windows to make sure my
>> code runs on it as well.
>
>
> You have to forgive old Klaus, he's too Caucasian and stupid. Loves
> Trump and guns. Nuff said.
>

Ad hominem.

That was always going to be next for you...

....right?

On Sun, 24 Nov 2024 11:07:53 +1300, Your Name wrote:

>>> Microsoft's hotfix support for Windows is the best in the industry.
>>
>> Arch Linux user: <laughs>
>>
>> Samsung tablet/phone user: <chuckles>
>>
>> <redneck groups snipped>
>
> If Microsloth's hotfix was the best, it would be because they get
> *plenty* of practice because Windoze needs an update every other day.
>
> Of course, the reality is that Microsloth's hotfix patches are just as
> hopelessly awful as everything else they do. In this case "practice
> does NOT make perfect".

Windows 10 released June 2015 so it is supported for over ten years.
Microsoft full hotfix support currently is for two concurrent releases.

Samsung & Google full hotfix support is 7 years, up to seven releases.
Apple's hotfix support is never more than one release at a time, 5 years.

Simple question. Which of those is the shortest & least number of releases?

[Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:

>Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>Klaus Schadenfreude wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>> [Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>my desktop is from 2009 and it currently has Windows 10 on it,
>>>>>where I've had full hotfix support since then for no additional cost.
>>>>
>>>>Oh sure, a 2009 model desktop will run Win10 in its current iterations
>>>>just peachy, give me a break. You need an NVMe drive, realistically,
>>>>even a SATA SSD on a machine that old is gonna suck balls. You're
>>>>kidding yourself, to believe M$ gives a shit about you. Linux FTW.
>>>
>>> And then you can take advantage of the 100 shitty Linux apps out
>>> there, or run crippled versions of Windows apps using Wine!
>>>
>>> ROFLMAO
>>
>>There are far more shitty Windows apps.
>>
>>Anyway, I do what I do, on Linux, no Wine. I do boot to Windows to make sure my
>>code runs on it as well.
>
>
>You have to forgive old Klaus, he's too Caucasian and stupid.

So you're a racist bigot in addition to being a mentally ill keyboard
commando.

No surprise there.

[Default] Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> typed:

>On 2024-11-23 14:51, Joel wrote:
>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>> [Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>> Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> my desktop is from 2009 and it currently has Windows 10 on it,
>>>>>> where I've had full hotfix support since then for no additional cost.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh sure, a 2009 model desktop will run Win10 in its current iterations
>>>>> just peachy, give me a break. You need an NVMe drive, realistically,
>>>>> even a SATA SSD on a machine that old is gonna suck balls. You're
>>>>> kidding yourself, to believe M$ gives a shit about you. Linux FTW.
>>>>
>>>> And then you can take advantage of the 100 shitty Linux apps out
>>>> there, or run crippled versions of Windows apps using Wine!
>>>>
>>>> ROFLMAO
>>>
>>> There are far more shitty Windows apps.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I do what I do, on Linux, no Wine. I do boot to Windows to make sure my
>>> code runs on it as well.
>>
>>
>> You have to forgive old Klaus, he's too Caucasian and stupid. Loves
>> Trump and guns. Nuff said.
>>
>
>Ad hominem.
>
>That was always going to be next for you...
>
>...right?

Well there were death threats too, he learned his lesson.