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Subject: I would be remiss if I didn't post...
From: vallor
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Linux lm 6.11.8 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Nov 14 19:05:52 PST 2024 x86_64
x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

real 386.74
user 18143.96
sys 3632.81

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".ASM programmers drive stick shifts."

Subject: Re: I would be remiss if I didn't post...
From: Chris Ahlstrom
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vallor wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> Linux lm 6.11.8 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Nov 14 19:05:52 PST 2024 x86_64
> x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> real 386.74
> user 18143.96
> sys 3632.81

My Debian Sid mini PC and Arch laptop are at 6.11.7.

The Ubuntu laptop remains at 5.15.0-122.

Remember I had added a 4Gb swapfile awhile back? Well Chromium and a make job
ate up the swap too, and I ended up resetting the mini PC... which made it boot
to Windows. I had to go to the BIOS and rearrange the boot sequence. Wotta
pain.

So now I keep an eye on Conky's memory meters. Also added a script to run as
sudo to clean up memory:

sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches && swapoff -a && swapon -a

Not sure why I have this issue only on the Debian machine.

--
I use technology in order to hate it more properly.
-- Nam June Paik

Subject: Re: I would be remiss if I didn't post...
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On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 07:35:33 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> My Debian Sid mini PC and Arch laptop are at 6.11.7.

Fedora 40 is also at 6.11.7.

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On 15 Nov 2024 04:47:21 GMT, vallor wrote:

> Linux lm 6.11.8 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Nov 14 19:05:52 PST 2024 x86_64
> x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
>

Why do you repeatedly build an unoptimized and totally generic
kernel to use with an unoptimized and mainstream distro?

It makes no sense.

The REAL GNU/Linux user will understand his hardware and then
build a custom kernel to match. He will then build the rest
of his system to also tightly fit both the hardware and his
desires.

Only GNU/Linux allows this.

All the other poor dumb bastards are completely at the mercy
of Microslop/Apphole.

Subject: Re: I would be remiss if I didn't post...
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Diego Garcia wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> Why do you ...

... GAF?

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On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 15:29:58 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Diego Garcia wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>
>> Why do you ...
>
> ... GAF?

Because it's fucking stupid.

If you cannot comprehend why it is fucking stupid then
you are in the same idiotic boat that he is in.

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Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote at 12:35 this Friday (GMT):
> vallor wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>
>> Linux lm 6.11.8 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Nov 14 19:05:52 PST 2024 x86_64
>> x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>>
>> real 386.74
>> user 18143.96
>> sys 3632.81
>
> My Debian Sid mini PC and Arch laptop are at 6.11.7.
>
> The Ubuntu laptop remains at 5.15.0-122.
>
> Remember I had added a 4Gb swapfile awhile back? Well Chromium and a make job
> ate up the swap too, and I ended up resetting the mini PC... which made it boot
> to Windows. I had to go to the BIOS and rearrange the boot sequence. Wotta
> pain.
>
> So now I keep an eye on Conky's memory meters. Also added a script to run as
> sudo to clean up memory:
>
> sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches && swapoff -a && swapon -a
>
> Not sure why I have this issue only on the Debian machine.

I'm on 6.1.0-27 according to conky.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

Subject: Re: I would be remiss if I didn't post...
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On 11/14/24 11:47 PM, vallor wrote:
> Linux lm 6.11.8 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Nov 14 19:05:52 PST 2024 x86_64
> x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> real 386.74
> user 18143.96
> sys 3632.81
>

well...

DSM 7.2.2-72806

Been starting to get around to more domestic housekeeping; volumes here
upgrade from 14 to 40TB, plus I moved a bunch of domains off of a now
overly expensive provider. Just starting to dabble with a complete
rewrite of the pages, as the legacy stuff was in iWeb. Think I'm
starting to sort out the tools I want to use, but am realizing that
there's a large volume of content that needs to be gone through just to
get it back to where it was.

-hh

Subject: Re: I would be remiss if I didn't post...
From: Joel
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Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> wrote:
>On 15 Nov 2024 04:47:21 GMT, vallor wrote:
>
>> Linux lm 6.11.8 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Nov 14 19:05:52 PST 2024 x86_64
>> x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
>Why do you repeatedly build an unoptimized and totally generic
>kernel to use with an unoptimized and mainstream distro?
>
>It makes no sense.
>
>The REAL GNU/Linux user will understand his hardware and then
>build a custom kernel to match. He will then build the rest
>of his system to also tightly fit both the hardware and his
>desires.
>
>Only GNU/Linux allows this.
>
>All the other poor dumb bastards are completely at the mercy
>of Microslop/Apphole.

No, you just have brain damage, fucktard.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Subject: Re: I would be remiss if I didn't post...
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Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 15:29:58 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Why do you ...
>>
>> ... GAF?
>
>Because it's fucking stupid.
>
>If you cannot comprehend why it is fucking stupid then
>you are in the same idiotic boat that he is in.

Vallor's posts about self-compiling kernels are far less "fucking
stupid" than your Xeon with no Firefox/Chrome/etc. type browsers, no
real GUI, goofball, nerdy, dorky computer setup. You're a fucking
dumbass, and you should really kill yourself, because there's no hope
at all for you to have a normal life.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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Joel wrote:
> Diego Garcia <dg@linux.rocks> wrote:
>> On 15 Nov 2024 04:47:21 GMT, vallor wrote:
>>
>>> Linux lm 6.11.8 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Nov 14 19:05:52 PST 2024 x86_64
>>> x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>>
>> Why do you repeatedly build an unoptimized and totally generic
>> kernel to use with an unoptimized and mainstream distro?
>>
>> It makes no sense.
>>
>> The REAL GNU/Linux user will understand his hardware and then
>> build a custom kernel to match. He will then build the rest
>> of his system to also tightly fit both the hardware and his
>> desires.
>>
>> Only GNU/Linux allows this.
>>
>> All the other poor dumb bastards are completely at the mercy
>> of Microslop/Apphole.
>
>
> No, you just have brain damage, fucktard.
>
get him a helmet for christmas

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Diego Garcia wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 15:29:58 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Diego Garcia wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>
>>> Why do you ...
>>
>> ... GAF?
>
> Because it's fucking stupid.
>
> If you cannot comprehend why it is fucking stupid then
> you are in the same idiotic boat that he is in.

:-D You one funny mstherfscker :-D

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candycanearter07 wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote at 12:35 this Friday (GMT):
>> vallor wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>
>>> Linux lm 6.11.8 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Nov 14 19:05:52 PST 2024 x86_64
>>> x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>>>
>>> real 386.74
>>> user 18143.96
>>> sys 3632.81
>>
>> My Debian Sid mini PC and Arch laptop are at 6.11.7.
>>
>> The Ubuntu laptop remains at 5.15.0-122.
>>
>> Remember I had added a 4Gb swapfile awhile back? Well Chromium and a make job
>> ate up the swap too, and I ended up resetting the mini PC... which made it boot
>> to Windows. I had to go to the BIOS and rearrange the boot sequence. Wotta
>> pain.
>>
>> So now I keep an eye on Conky's memory meters. Also added a script to run as
>> sudo to clean up memory:
>>
>> sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches && swapoff -a && swapon -a
>>
>> Not sure why I have this issue only on the Debian machine.
>
> I'm on 6.1.0-27 according to conky.

What's your distro and distro version? Forgive me if you posted it before.

--
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utterly humourless rictus. It was the sort of grin that is normally
accompanied by small riverside birds wandering in and out, picking scraps
out of the teeth. -- Terry Pratchett, "The Lure of the Wyrm"

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Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote at 21:56 this Friday (GMT):
> candycanearter07 wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote at 12:35 this Friday (GMT):
>>> vallor wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>
>>>> Linux lm 6.11.8 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Nov 14 19:05:52 PST 2024 x86_64
>>>> x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>>>>
>>>> real 386.74
>>>> user 18143.96
>>>> sys 3632.81
>>>
>>> My Debian Sid mini PC and Arch laptop are at 6.11.7.
>>>
>>> The Ubuntu laptop remains at 5.15.0-122.
>>>
>>> Remember I had added a 4Gb swapfile awhile back? Well Chromium and a make job
>>> ate up the swap too, and I ended up resetting the mini PC... which made it boot
>>> to Windows. I had to go to the BIOS and rearrange the boot sequence. Wotta
>>> pain.
>>>
>>> So now I keep an eye on Conky's memory meters. Also added a script to run as
>>> sudo to clean up memory:
>>>
>>> sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches && swapoff -a && swapon -a
>>>
>>> Not sure why I have this issue only on the Debian machine.
>>
>> I'm on 6.1.0-27 according to conky.
>
> What's your distro and distro version? Forgive me if you posted it before.

$ uname -a

Linux candydeb 6.1.0-27-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.115-1 (2024-11-01) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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Subject: Re: I would be remiss if I didn't post...
From: rbowman
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On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 00:30:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> Linux candydeb 6.1.0-27-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.115-1
> (2024-11-01) x86_64 GNU/Linux

10 years old? I thought I hung onto old versions.

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rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 01:35 this Saturday (GMT):
> On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 00:30:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> Linux candydeb 6.1.0-27-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.115-1
>> (2024-11-01) x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> 10 years old? I thought I hung onto old versions.

Oh, weird. Is it that old?? I'm pretty sure I installed it on here less
than a year ago.
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Subject: Re: I would be remiss if I didn't post...
From: Joel
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candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
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>rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 01:35 this Saturday (GMT):
>>
>>> Linux candydeb 6.1.0-27-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.115-1
>>> (2024-11-01) x86_64 GNU/Linux
>>
>> 10 years old? I thought I hung onto old versions.
>
>Oh, weird. Is it that old?? I'm pretty sure I installed it on here less
>than a year ago.

He's clearly confusing your kernel version for a Debian OS version
number.

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On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 20:03:33 -0500, Joel wrote:

> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
> wrote:
>>rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 01:35 this Saturday (GMT):
>>>
>>>> Linux candydeb 6.1.0-27-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.115-1
>>>> (2024-11-01) x86_64 GNU/Linux
>>>
>>> 10 years old? I thought I hung onto old versions.
>>
>>Oh, weird. Is it that old?? I'm pretty sure I installed it on here less
>>than a year ago.
>
>
> He's clearly confusing your kernel version for a Debian OS version
> number.

uname -a
Linux kropotkin 6.8.0-48-generic #48~22.04.1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC
Mon Oct 7 11:24:13 UTC 2 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

That gives the Ubuntu version more or less. man uname says

-a, --all
print all information, in the following order, except omit -p and -i if
unknown:

which breaks down to

uname -s Linux
uname -n kropotkin
uname -r 6.8.0-48-generic
uname -v #48~22.04.1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Mon Oct 7 11:24:13 UTC 2
uname -m x86_64
uname -p x86_64
uname -i x86_64
uname -o GNU/Linux

p and i are non-portable but apparently the AMD Ubuntu box has them. v
must be sort of freeform. I was trying to interpret

#1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.115-1 (2024-11-01)

and saw the Debian. The 6.1 kernel would be from last year. I'm not sure
what the timestamp is and the man page doesn't go into it.

hostnamectl (yeah, it's systemd) says

Operating System: Ubuntu 22.04.5 LTS
Kernel: Linux 6.8.0-48-generic
Architecture: x86-64

Thr RPi, which is derived from Debian says Debian 1.6.6.51 so I have no
idea what that refers to. The fedora box doesn't say anything about
fedora except that's the machine name.

Ah, diversity...

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rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 04:49 this Sunday (GMT):
> On Sat, 16 Nov 2024 20:03:33 -0500, Joel wrote:
>
>> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
>> wrote:
>>>rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote at 01:35 this Saturday (GMT):
>>>>
>>>>> Linux candydeb 6.1.0-27-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.115-1
>>>>> (2024-11-01) x86_64 GNU/Linux
>>>>
>>>> 10 years old? I thought I hung onto old versions.
>>>
>>>Oh, weird. Is it that old?? I'm pretty sure I installed it on here less
>>>than a year ago.
>>
>>
>> He's clearly confusing your kernel version for a Debian OS version
>> number.
>
> uname -a
> Linux kropotkin 6.8.0-48-generic #48~22.04.1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC
> Mon Oct 7 11:24:13 UTC 2 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> That gives the Ubuntu version more or less. man uname says
>
> -a, --all
> print all information, in the following order, except omit -p and -i if
> unknown:
>
> which breaks down to
>
> uname -s Linux
> uname -n kropotkin
> uname -r 6.8.0-48-generic
> uname -v #48~22.04.1-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Mon Oct 7 11:24:13 UTC 2
> uname -m x86_64
> uname -p x86_64
> uname -i x86_64
> uname -o GNU/Linux
>
> p and i are non-portable but apparently the AMD Ubuntu box has them. v
> must be sort of freeform. I was trying to interpret
>
> #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.115-1 (2024-11-01)
>
> and saw the Debian. The 6.1 kernel would be from last year. I'm not sure
> what the timestamp is and the man page doesn't go into it.
>
> hostnamectl (yeah, it's systemd) says
>
> Operating System: Ubuntu 22.04.5 LTS
> Kernel: Linux 6.8.0-48-generic
> Architecture: x86-64
>
> Thr RPi, which is derived from Debian says Debian 1.6.6.51 so I have no
> idea what that refers to. The fedora box doesn't say anything about
> fedora except that's the machine name.
>
> Ah, diversity...

Oh, cool! I didn't know about hostnamectl, that's pretty cool :D
According to it, I'm on "Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)"
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Subject: Re: I would be remiss if I didn't post...
From: Joel
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2024 14:49 UTC
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candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
wrote:

>I'm on "Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)"

Me too, unless something's been released very recently, it's the
stable release currently.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Subject: Re: I would be remiss if I didn't post...
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Joel wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
> wrote:
>
>>I'm on "Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)"
>
> Me too, unless something's been released very recently, it's the
> stable release currently.

After my Debian Trixie experience, I'm going to stick with Sid.

Then I don't have to memorize a new Debian name. :-)

--
The wise programmer is told about the Tao and follows it. The average
programmer is told about the Tao and searches for it. The foolish programmer
is told about the Tao and laughs at it. If it were not for laughter, there
would be no Tao.
The highest sounds are the hardest to hear. Going forward is a way to
retreat. Greater talent shows itself late in life. Even a perfect program
still has bugs.
-- Geoffrey James, "The Tao of Programming"

Subject: Re: I would be remiss if I didn't post...
From: Joel
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2024 12:41 UTC
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Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>Joel wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I'm on "Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)"
>>
>> Me too, unless something's been released very recently, it's the
>> stable release currently.
>
>After my Debian Trixie experience, I'm going to stick with Sid.
>
>Then I don't have to memorize a new Debian name. :-)

I don't do betas. Trixie will eventually be the stable release, and
I'll presumably want it then, just as I got Windows 11 on October 4th,
2021, because it was released based on a time zone halfway around the
world, where it was already the 5th.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 12:41 this Tuesday (GMT):
> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>Joel wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm on "Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)"
>>>
>>> Me too, unless something's been released very recently, it's the
>>> stable release currently.
>>
>>After my Debian Trixie experience, I'm going to stick with Sid.
>>
>>Then I don't have to memorize a new Debian name. :-)
>
>
> I don't do betas. Trixie will eventually be the stable release, and
> I'll presumably want it then, just as I got Windows 11 on October 4th,
> 2021, because it was released based on a time zone halfway around the
> world, where it was already the 5th.

I'm sticking to the stable branch (with a few backports sprinkled in). I
got burned by Endeavour already.
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Subject: Re: I would be remiss if I didn't post...
From: Joel
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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2024 16:27 UTC
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candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
wrote:
>Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 12:41 this Tuesday (GMT):
>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>Joel wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I'm on "Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)"
>>>>
>>>> Me too, unless something's been released very recently, it's the
>>>> stable release currently.
>>>
>>>After my Debian Trixie experience, I'm going to stick with Sid.
>>>
>>>Then I don't have to memorize a new Debian name. :-)
>>
>> I don't do betas. Trixie will eventually be the stable release, and
>> I'll presumably want it then, just as I got Windows 11 on October 4th,
>> 2021, because it was released based on a time zone halfway around the
>> world, where it was already the 5th.
>
>I'm sticking to the stable branch (with a few backports sprinkled in). I
>got burned by Endeavour already.

Looks interesting, I guess you'd used it with the testing/unstable
builds and had a problem?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Subject: Re: I would be remiss if I didn't post...
From: Chris Ahlstrom
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Joel wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
> wrote:
>>Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 12:41 this Tuesday (GMT):
>>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>>Joel wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>>> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm on "Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)"
>>>>>
>>>>> Me too, unless something's been released very recently, it's the
>>>>> stable release currently.
>>>>
>>>>After my Debian Trixie experience, I'm going to stick with Sid.
>>>>
>>>>Then I don't have to memorize a new Debian name. :-)
>>>
>>> I don't do betas. Trixie will eventually be the stable release, and
>>> I'll presumably want it then, just as I got Windows 11 on October 4th,
>>> 2021, because it was released based on a time zone halfway around the
>>> world, where it was already the 5th.
>>
>>I'm sticking to the stable branch (with a few backports sprinkled in). I
>>got burned by Endeavour already.
>
> Looks interesting, I guess you'd used it with the testing/unstable
> builds and had a problem?

Debian Sid has been my primary distro for a long time, except for the
Ubuntu on my ancient ASUS laptop.

Sometime you have to be careful when (say) aptitude reports a problem
and offers multiple solutions to it. It can sometime pay to do the upgrade a
few days later.

--
On the night before her family moved from Kansas to California, the little
girl knelt by her bed to say her prayers. "God bless Mommy and Daddy and
Keith and Kim," she said. As she began to get up, she quickly added, "Oh,
and God, this is goodbye. We're moving to Hollywood."

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