https://www.techradar.com/computing/windows/microsoft-stealthily-installs-windows-10-update-to-nag-you-to-upgrade-to-windows-11-and-not-for-the-first-time

"We should clarify that this won’t force a Windows 11 upgrade on a
Windows 10 PC which isn’t compatible with the stricter requirements
for the newest OS – but it’ll likely continue to nag you about
upgrading (for your own good, Microsoft would obviously argue)."

So, uh, just disable TPM, if your computer is eligible, but you don't
want the forced upgrade? Did TechRadar's staff already forget that
fiasco in 2021, when they teased Win11 with a borked utility that told
me, having a *brand new* Win10 PC, that I couldn't upgrade, not
bothering to say if I turned on TPM, that'd resolve it? Just unreal,
how stupid the Winblows world is.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Wed, 11/13/2024 12:27 PM, Joel wrote:
> https://www.techradar.com/computing/windows/microsoft-stealthily-installs-windows-10-update-to-nag-you-to-upgrade-to-windows-11-and-not-for-the-first-time
>
> "We should clarify that

There is no copy of "KB5001716" in the room.

I even poured a chum bucket off the end of the
dock, and... "nothing".

is the sun shining ? Let me check.

https://www.grc.com/incontrol.htm

Yes, the sun is shining.

The skies are not cloudy all day here.

Paul

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>> https://www.techradar.com/computing/windows/microsoft-stealthily-installs-windows-10-update-to-nag-you-to-upgrade-to-windows-11-and-not-for-the-first-time
>>
>> "We should clarify that
>
>There is no copy of "KB5001716" in the room.
>
>I even poured a chum bucket off the end of the
>dock, and... "nothing".
>
>is the sun shining ? Let me check.
>
> https://www.grc.com/incontrol.htm
>
>Yes, the sun is shining.
>
>The skies are not cloudy all day here.

So you circumvent M$, to warp your Winblows to function as you wish.
Great. Meanwhile, you still need a computer nearly as good as mine
just to run *Win10*, much less 24H2 of Win11 (I found 23H2 overweight,
myself, on a 2.5 year-old machine). Face it, I posted this to COLA
for a fucking reason, M$ nerd.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 11/13/2024 4:04 PM, Joel wrote:
> Face it, I posted this to COLA
> for a fucking reason, M$ nerd.

Is the reason because all the other people there are fuckheads too?

--
I Stand With Israel!

On Wed, 11/13/2024 5:37 PM, sticks wrote:
> On 11/13/2024 4:04 PM, Joel wrote:
>> Face it, I posted this to COLA
>> for a fucking reason, M$ nerd.
>
> Is the reason because all the other people there are fuckheads too?
>

The thing is, the Windows community has been through this before.

This isn't our first rodeo.

As a point of policy, I *don't* make significant changes to the OS here.
This is one of the few controls used to prevent "incidents".

The GWX era taught us a few things.

That program is more than a stopper, it's a gate control.
You can set it to the version where you want the upgrades
to stop at. So for example, if I was ready for a 24H2, I
could set it to 24H2 with that program, and since we can never
predict when an upgrade will occur, it then doesn't matter when
it does happen. We've already agreed to it by enabling the control.

If I don't want to switch from W10 to W11, just setting the
version to W10, prevents it from switching.

You can do all these things *without* that program. The flags
are in the registry. A little regedit achieves the same result.
The program exists, to make it easy for non-Regedit people to play.

Paul

sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

>> Face it, I posted this to COLA
>> for a fucking reason, M$ nerd.
>
>Is the reason because all the other people there are fuckheads too?

You mean like ...

>I Stand With Israel!

.... people who stand with Israel (!)? Go fuck yourself, kike.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>On Wed, 11/13/2024 5:37 PM, sticks wrote:
>> On 11/13/2024 4:04 PM, Joel wrote:
>>
>>> Face it, I posted this to COLA
>>> for a fucking reason, M$ nerd.
>>
>> Is the reason because all the other people there are fuckheads too?
>
>The thing is, the Windows community has been through this before.
>
>This isn't our first rodeo.
>
>As a point of policy, I *don't* make significant changes to the OS here.
>This is one of the few controls used to prevent "incidents".
>
>The GWX era taught us a few things.
>
>That program is more than a stopper, it's a gate control.
>You can set it to the version where you want the upgrades
>to stop at. So for example, if I was ready for a 24H2, I
>could set it to 24H2 with that program, and since we can never
>predict when an upgrade will occur, it then doesn't matter when
>it does happen. We've already agreed to it by enabling the control.
>
>If I don't want to switch from W10 to W11, just setting the
>version to W10, prevents it from switching.
>
>You can do all these things *without* that program. The flags
>are in the registry. A little regedit achieves the same result.
>The program exists, to make it easy for non-Regedit people to play.

So, I have a question: will 24H2 magically be less bloated, by the
time you agree to install it? Heh.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 11/14/2024 9:42 AM, Joel wrote:
> sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>> Face it, I posted this to COLA
>>> for a fucking reason, M$ nerd.
>>
>> Is the reason because all the other people there are fuckheads too?
>
>
> You mean like ...
>
>
>> I Stand With Israel!
>
>
> ... people who stand with Israel (!)? Go fuck yourself, kike.
>

I don't know about the others, but you certainly are a fuckhead. A dumb
fuckhead at that.

--
I Stand With Israel!

sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

>>>> Face it, I posted this to COLA
>>>> for a fucking reason, M$ nerd.
>>>
>>> Is the reason because all the other people there are fuckheads too?
>>
>> You mean like ...
>>
>>> I Stand With Israel!
>>
>> ... people who stand with Israel (!)? Go fuck yourself, kike.
>
>I don't know about the others, but you certainly are a fuckhead. A dumb
>fuckhead at that.

Unlike Netanyahu, bombing women and children to hell? Idiot.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Thu, 11/14/2024 10:46 AM, Joel wrote:

> So, I have a question: will 24H2 magically be less bloated, by the
> time you agree to install it? Heh.
>

It's a rolling release. It's not WinXP any more.

Some things have release notes. But the release notes
may not be gathered in a central spot for easy consumption.

And with the A/B testing, individual users may not
see the same features, rolled out at the same time.
This makes Debug a bit of a challenge.

Like my not having received 24H2 on W11 installs. Zero so far.
They stopped the rollout at one point, because of WDC Host Managed
Buffer NVMe related crashes. That's been fixed (by WDC).

The Windows Insider install I update every once in a while, it
had 24H2 preview on it for months. But if the features or behavior
aren't the same as the release, it's not really good materials
for debugging a release problem.

There are a large number of services in Windows. If you use
Process Explorer, many of those use zero cycles. They use RAM,
but they do not speak, unless spoken to. They're not "suspended",
which is another state. but they are also not polling or shining
their own shoes.

A few services do use cycles. The SearchIndexer as an executable,
can be busy, because it listens to every file system change.
The filter on it, would reject most of the events it reviews,
which is kinda wasteful.

Yes, there's a background load, but it is hard to measure, since
Task Manager did not have extra digits of precision added to its display.
Process Explorer will tell you Notepad is using 0.95% of the CPU.
Task Manager would have you believe this is "0 %". As a consequence,
without good measurement capability, you can't really complain too much
about the dross down there. But a person using Process Explorer
knows what is going on.

*******

And some things change, and you haven't a clue what is doing it.

I noticed this yesterday, but did not stop to investigate, because
I was looking for a hidden file, and needed the nfi.exe output to be
able to find or list the file. Which works pretty well, considering
nfi.exe is a Microsoft program from around the year 2000.

[Picture] Check that shell behavior is the same (OK), it's a Notepad change

https://i.postimg.cc/Bv0VSvWN/Patch-Tues-Win11-Notepad-Change-Nov2024.gif

A separate issue, is pressing F5 is causing a date string to be copied into Notepad,
when no such hot key is listed in the Notepad menu. Klever.

And this is how it goes in Window. It has the "seasick motion"
of a rolling release, without the release notes :-) Would anyone
have mentioned "we added a hidden F5 easter egg for people who
are concentrating on their work and might not notice" in a release note ?
There is a feature in the Settings panel, which allows "hints to be injected
into your activities" kind of thing. Maybe this setting allows it, but
wouldn't it be good if the menu was updated to indicate the hot key
value was occupied by such a thing ?

Everyone thinks of it as a "corporate" OS, when it is actually
a "hobby OS on steroids". You can see two guys in moms basement,
and they're coming up for their Pizza Pops.

Paul

On 11/14/2024 11:11 AM, Joel wrote:
> sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>>>> Face it, I posted this to COLA
>>>>> for a fucking reason, M$ nerd.
>>>>
>>>> Is the reason because all the other people there are fuckheads too?
>>>
>>> You mean like ...
>>>
>>>> I Stand With Israel!
>>>
>>> ... people who stand with Israel (!)? Go fuck yourself, kike.
>>
>> I don't know about the others, but you certainly are a fuckhead. A dumb
>> fuckhead at that.

> Unlike Netanyahu, bombing women and children to hell? Idiot.

I certainly don't think your views on middle east issues has anything to
do with windows news groups, or Linux for that matter. I don't feel the
need to discuss this issue here. Neither do I see a need to compare you
to anyone else. You're in a fuckhead class all your own, as you
continue to prove.

--
I Stand With Israel!

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>> So, I have a question: will 24H2 magically be less bloated, by the
>> time you agree to install it? Heh.
>
>It's a rolling release. It's not WinXP any more.
>
>Some things have release notes. But the release notes
>may not be gathered in a central spot for easy consumption.
>
>And with the A/B testing, individual users may not
>see the same features, rolled out at the same time.
>This makes Debug a bit of a challenge.
>
>Like my not having received 24H2 on W11 installs. Zero so far.
>They stopped the rollout at one point, because of WDC Host Managed
>Buffer NVMe related crashes. That's been fixed (by WDC).
>
>The Windows Insider install I update every once in a while, it
>had 24H2 preview on it for months. But if the features or behavior
>aren't the same as the release, it's not really good materials
>for debugging a release problem.
>
>There are a large number of services in Windows. If you use
>Process Explorer, many of those use zero cycles. They use RAM,
>but they do not speak, unless spoken to. They're not "suspended",
>which is another state. but they are also not polling or shining
>their own shoes.
>
>A few services do use cycles. The SearchIndexer as an executable,
>can be busy, because it listens to every file system change.
>The filter on it, would reject most of the events it reviews,
>which is kinda wasteful.
>
>Yes, there's a background load, but it is hard to measure, since
>Task Manager did not have extra digits of precision added to its display.
>Process Explorer will tell you Notepad is using 0.95% of the CPU.
>Task Manager would have you believe this is "0 %". As a consequence,
>without good measurement capability, you can't really complain too much
>about the dross down there. But a person using Process Explorer
>knows what is going on.
>
>*******
>
>And some things change, and you haven't a clue what is doing it.
>
>I noticed this yesterday, but did not stop to investigate, because
>I was looking for a hidden file, and needed the nfi.exe output to be
>able to find or list the file. Which works pretty well, considering
>nfi.exe is a Microsoft program from around the year 2000.
>
> [Picture] Check that shell behavior is the same (OK), it's a Notepad change
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/Bv0VSvWN/Patch-Tues-Win11-Notepad-Change-Nov2024.gif
>
>A separate issue, is pressing F5 is causing a date string to be copied into Notepad,
>when no such hot key is listed in the Notepad menu. Klever.
>
>And this is how it goes in Window. It has the "seasick motion"
>of a rolling release, without the release notes :-) Would anyone
>have mentioned "we added a hidden F5 easter egg for people who
>are concentrating on their work and might not notice" in a release note ?
>There is a feature in the Settings panel, which allows "hints to be injected
>into your activities" kind of thing. Maybe this setting allows it, but
>wouldn't it be good if the menu was updated to indicate the hot key
>value was occupied by such a thing ?
>
>Everyone thinks of it as a "corporate" OS, when it is actually
>a "hobby OS on steroids". You can see two guys in moms basement,
>and they're coming up for their Pizza Pops.

Just use Linux. :)

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

>>>>>> Face it, I posted this to COLA
>>>>>> for a fucking reason, M$ nerd.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is the reason because all the other people there are fuckheads too?
>>>>
>>>> You mean like ...
>>>>
>>>>> I Stand With Israel!
>>>>
>>>> ... people who stand with Israel (!)? Go fuck yourself, kike.
>>>
>>> I don't know about the others, but you certainly are a fuckhead. A dumb
>>> fuckhead at that.
>
>> Unlike Netanyahu, bombing women and children to hell? Idiot.
>
>I certainly don't think your views on middle east issues has anything to
>do with windows news groups, or Linux for that matter. I don't feel the
>need to discuss this issue here. Neither do I see a need to compare you
>to anyone else. You're in a fuckhead class all your own, as you
>continue to prove.

Yeah, caring about Arab lives is like caring about nigger lives, in
America, let's just elect TrumpHitler president, never mind that *he*
killed 6 million Jews, in the past, now he's buddies with the kikes in
killing sand niggers, FUCK THAT.

Welcome to WWIII, mother fuckers.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 11/14/2024 11:56 AM, Joel wrote:
>> I certainly don't think your views on middle east issues has anything to
>> do with windows news groups, or Linux for that matter. I don't feel the
>> need to discuss this issue here. Neither do I see a need to compare you
>> to anyone else. You're in a fuckhead class all your own, as you
>> continue to prove.
>
> Yeah, caring about Arab lives is like caring about nigger lives, in
> America, let's just elect TrumpHitler president, never mind that*he*
> killed 6 million Jews, in the past, now he's buddies with the kikes in
> killing sand niggers, FUCK THAT.
>
> Welcome to WWIII, mother fuckers.

Ha! Red's not having a good week. Bye, Crump.

--
I Stand With Israel!

sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> wrote:

>>> I certainly don't think your views on middle east issues has anything to
>>> do with windows news groups, or Linux for that matter. I don't feel the
>>> need to discuss this issue here. Neither do I see a need to compare you
>>> to anyone else. You're in a fuckhead class all your own, as you
>>> continue to prove.
>>
>> Yeah, caring about Arab lives is like caring about nigger lives, in
>> America, let's just elect TrumpHitler president, never mind that*he*
>> killed 6 million Jews, in the past, now he's buddies with the kikes in
>> killing sand niggers, FUCK THAT.
>>
>> Welcome to WWIII, mother fuckers.
>
>Ha! Red's not having a good week. Bye, Crump.

Fortunately, MDMA/Jesus exist.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

In article <4fccjj9rh5kv22j1357pbvap0f5ivt1536@4ax.com>,
joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>
> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> So, I have a question: will 24H2 magically be less bloated, by the
> >> time you agree to install it? Heh.
> >
> >It's a rolling release. It's not WinXP any more.
> >
> >Some things have release notes. But the release notes
> >may not be gathered in a central spot for easy consumption.
> >
> >And with the A/B testing, individual users may not
> >see the same features, rolled out at the same time.
> >This makes Debug a bit of a challenge.
> >
> >Like my not having received 24H2 on W11 installs. Zero so far.
> >They stopped the rollout at one point, because of WDC Host Managed
> >Buffer NVMe related crashes. That's been fixed (by WDC).
> >
> >The Windows Insider install I update every once in a while, it
> >had 24H2 preview on it for months. But if the features or behavior
> >aren't the same as the release, it's not really good materials
> >for debugging a release problem.
> >
> >There are a large number of services in Windows. If you use
> >Process Explorer, many of those use zero cycles. They use RAM,
> >but they do not speak, unless spoken to. They're not "suspended",
> >which is another state. but they are also not polling or shining
> >their own shoes.
> >
> >A few services do use cycles. The SearchIndexer as an executable,
> >can be busy, because it listens to every file system change.
> >The filter on it, would reject most of the events it reviews,
> >which is kinda wasteful.
> >
> >Yes, there's a background load, but it is hard to measure, since
> >Task Manager did not have extra digits of precision added to its display.
> >Process Explorer will tell you Notepad is using 0.95% of the CPU.
> >Task Manager would have you believe this is "0 %". As a consequence,
> >without good measurement capability, you can't really complain too much
> >about the dross down there. But a person using Process Explorer
> >knows what is going on.
> >
> >*******
> >
> >And some things change, and you haven't a clue what is doing it.
> >
> >I noticed this yesterday, but did not stop to investigate, because
> >I was looking for a hidden file, and needed the nfi.exe output to be
> >able to find or list the file. Which works pretty well, considering
> >nfi.exe is a Microsoft program from around the year 2000.
> >
> > [Picture] Check that shell behavior is the same (OK), it's a Notepad change
> >
> > https://i.postimg.cc/Bv0VSvWN/Patch-Tues-Win11-Notepad-Change-Nov2024.gif
> >
> >A separate issue, is pressing F5 is causing a date string to be copied into Notepad,
> >when no such hot key is listed in the Notepad menu. Klever.
> >
> >And this is how it goes in Window. It has the "seasick motion"
> >of a rolling release, without the release notes :-) Would anyone
> >have mentioned "we added a hidden F5 easter egg for people who
> >are concentrating on their work and might not notice" in a release note ?
> >There is a feature in the Settings panel, which allows "hints to be injected
> >into your activities" kind of thing. Maybe this setting allows it, but
> >wouldn't it be good if the menu was updated to indicate the hot key
> >value was occupied by such a thing ?
> >
> >Everyone thinks of it as a "corporate" OS, when it is actually
> >a "hobby OS on steroids". You can see two guys in moms basement,
> >and they're coming up for their Pizza Pops.
>
>
> Just use Linux. :)

Why?
The last time I tried Linux which was about 1.5 years ago
it sucked monkey balls.
Windows works fine for me.
Linux is for faggots, like you.

Batz <wbatzzz0o3@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Just use Linux. :)
>
>Why?
>The last time I tried Linux which was about 1.5 years ago
>it sucked monkey balls.
>Windows works fine for me.
>Linux is for faggots, like you.

It's for people who don't like M$'s proprietary ridiculousness.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 18:10:55 -0500, Batz wrote:

> The last time I tried Linux which was about 1.5 years ago it sucked
> monkey balls.

You’re using the Internet, aren’t you? The Internet essentially runs on
Linux.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 18:10:55 -0500, Batz wrote:
>
>> The last time I tried Linux which was about 1.5 years ago it sucked
>> monkey balls.
>
>You’re using the Internet, aren’t you? The Internet essentially runs on
>Linux.

More to the point, Batz is a luser, he doesn't use Winblows to its
full potential either, that's why he hates Linux, not because it
"sucks monkey balls". If you use your brain, any OS can do remarkable
things, even Apple's crap has Unix components.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 19:12:56 -0500, Joel wrote:

> even Apple's crap has Unix components.

Not enough to count as a “real” *nix any more -- if it ever did.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

>> even Apple's crap has Unix components.
>
>Not enough to count as a “real” *nix any more -- if it ever did.

I mean, it *can* function as such, not very readily, running Linux is
the best way to accomplish it. Hell, Mint mimics Winblows while being
legitimate GNU/Linux, it's amazing. Some might say it's actually
easier to use Mint than Win11, in fact. That's how much of a
laughingstock M$'s OS is, now, the only reason to use it is for apps
that require it, which not everyone gives a rat's ass about. Linux is
the winner, of the OS wars, by any meaningful standard.

The nail in the coffin, for M$, was when they made Win10 a beta for
Win11. They don't support old hardware, *AT ALL*. Will it boot?
Barely. You need an NVMe drive, to run any supported Winblows. It's
bullshit.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 21:22:01 -0500, Joel wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> even Apple's crap has Unix components.
>>
>>Not enough to count as a “real” *nix any more -- if it ever did.
>
> I mean, it *can* function as such, not very readily ...

Ken Thompson, one of the original Bell Labs crew that created Unix in the
first place, and an Apple fan for many years, has given up on them and
switched to Linux.

That tells you all you need to know.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

>>>> even Apple's crap has Unix components.
>>>
>>>Not enough to count as a “real” *nix any more -- if it ever did.
>>
>> I mean, it *can* function as such, not very readily ...
>
>Ken Thompson, one of the original Bell Labs crew that created Unix in the
>first place, and an Apple fan for many years, has given up on them and
>switched to Linux.
>
>That tells you all you need to know.

You're a fucktard of a nerd, dipshit. I already said that, in my
post. Eat shit.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Nov 2024 19:12:56 -0500, Joel wrote:
>
> > even Apple's crap has Unix components.
>
> Not enough to count as a ?real? *nix any more -- if it ever did.

I'm no Apple fan, but macOS isn't just *nix, i.e. 'unix'/'Unix', but
actually UNIX.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_UNIX_Specification#Compliance>

On 11/15/2024 11:03 PM, Joel wrote:
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>>> even Apple's crap has Unix components.
>>>>
>>>> Not enough to count as a “real” *nix any more -- if it ever did.
>>>
>>> I mean, it *can* function as such, not very readily ...
>>
>> Ken Thompson, one of the original Bell Labs crew that created Unix in the
>> first place, and an Apple fan for many years, has given up on them and
>> switched to Linux.
>>
>> That tells you all you need to know.
>
>
> You're a fucktard of a nerd, dipshit. I already said that, in my
> post. Eat shit.
>

You have such an eloquent way of expressing yourself.