Message-ID:

You attempt things that you do not even plan because of your extreme stupidity.

comp / comp.os.linux.advocacy / Re: shitv: 21+ years of shameless support for MS's "lock-in, anti-competitiveness, and extortion"

Subject: shitv: 21+ years of shameless support for MS's "lock-in, anti-competitiveness, and extortion"
From: DFS
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2024 23:31 UTC

Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca (DFS)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: shitv: 21+ years of shameless support for MS's "lock-in,
anti-competitiveness, and extortion"
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2024 18:31:16 -0500
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Lines: 13
Message-ID: <vgu43s$17kct$2@dont-email.me>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Injection-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 00:31:08 +0100 (CET)
Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7ec8eb643bb79cf22a4c4a5ef1eb0b64";
logging-data="1298845"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19Tf8In2WvZEgCss+63JCw+"
User-Agent: Betterbird (Windows)
Cancel-Lock: sha1:MQCx1uBdm3X85vPGzNz7j7HGifk=
Content-Language: en-US

View all headers

"[Microsoft's] real design goals are to provide adequate functionality
while forcing long-term lock-in, prevent competition of any kind, and
increase the ability to extort money from customers." - shitv Oct 2003

User-Agent
Oct 2003: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 (Windows only)
Nov 2024: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 (Windows only)

Say it ain't so!

Subject: Re: shitv: 21+ years of shameless support for MS's "lock-in, anti-competitiveness, and extortion"
From: Joel
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 00:10 UTC
References: 1

Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!border-3.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-4.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 00:10:12 +0000
From: joelcrump@gmail.com (Joel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: shitv: 21+ years of shameless support for MS's "lock-in, anti-competitiveness, and extortion"
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2024 19:10:12 -0500
Message-ID: <l375jj5nj1tardf37naa2hvjo80pk10fij@4ax.com>
References: <vgu43s$17kct$2@dont-email.me>
User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
OS: Debian 12, with Wine 9.0 for WinAPI
Lines: 33
X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com
X-Trace: sv3-HBxJJGPZPuVpwnSdczfTD1SdCV2gLX81lvLHyvUCq3BhL9oV6SYk0iLlBzGDOrKWQ4/Pc2AsC7H12WE!j9rizrIY7r0OUDoAZ1Vi2fK/rGen19vBWf8kYw8b9iq4Ss+nCUuBRrRteKrU3+dbuzwH8VgC
X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com
X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html
X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers
X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly
X-Postfilter: 1.3.40

View all headers

DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:

>"[Microsoft's] real design goals are to provide adequate functionality
>while forcing long-term lock-in, prevent competition of any kind, and
>increase the ability to extort money from customers." - shitv Oct 2003
>
>User-Agent
>Oct 2003: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 (Windows only)
>Nov 2024: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 (Windows only)
>
>
>Say it ain't so!

Chris V. is a fucking prick, but we've been through this, Forte Agent
runs under Wine, even the final 8.0 version I'm using, much less is it
a problem with 1.x. You *know* this.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Subject: Re: shitv: 21+ years of shameless support for MS's "lock-in, anti-competitiveness, and extortion"
From: DFS
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 03:38 UTC
References: 1 2

Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca (DFS)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: shitv: 21+ years of shameless support for MS's "lock-in,
anti-competitiveness, and extortion"
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2024 22:38:00 -0500
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Lines: 27
Message-ID: <vguiio$1dmet$2@dont-email.me>
References: <vgu43s$17kct$2@dont-email.me>
<l375jj5nj1tardf37naa2hvjo80pk10fij@4ax.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Injection-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 04:38:01 +0100 (CET)
Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7ec8eb643bb79cf22a4c4a5ef1eb0b64";
logging-data="1497565"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18F5GsUy/XJLlehJ5lgo9/m"
User-Agent: Betterbird (Windows)
Cancel-Lock: sha1:+h02Gp64DfHc3md5QHx8l2nTsmA=
Content-Language: en-US
In-Reply-To: <l375jj5nj1tardf37naa2hvjo80pk10fij@4ax.com>

View all headers

On 11/11/2024 7:10 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>
>> "[Microsoft's] real design goals are to provide adequate functionality
>> while forcing long-term lock-in, prevent competition of any kind, and
>> increase the ability to extort money from customers." - shitv Oct 2003
>>
>> User-Agent
>> Oct 2003: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 (Windows only)
>> Nov 2024: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 (Windows only)
>>
>>
>> Say it ain't so!
>
>
> Chris V. is a fucking prick, but we've been through this, Forte Agent
> runs under Wine, even the final 8.0 version I'm using, much less is it
> a problem with 1.x. You *know* this.

It doesn't run on Linux or Mac.

It's Windows-only.

Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!border-4.nntp.ord.giganews.com!border-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-3.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 04:11:47 +0000
From: joelcrump@gmail.com (Joel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: shitv: 21+ years of shameless support for MS's "lock-in, anti-competitiveness, and extortion"
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2024 23:11:28 -0500
Message-ID: <s3l5jjpbr1jger3qd2opjh3gru2df2nk9g@4ax.com>
References: <vgu43s$17kct$2@dont-email.me> <l375jj5nj1tardf37naa2hvjo80pk10fij@4ax.com> <vguiio$1dmet$2@dont-email.me>
User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
OS: Debian 12, with Wine 9.0 for WinAPI
Lines: 41
X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com
X-Trace: sv3-refVboYT+mhxIu56mUmviffEviQygIPWqdLgp4ynP4y1sFpeH1oA0FzIMUrbqrSqtu8U3c7xspH9ZmF!pqT0vBbNWPKNLl+9sq2SVqi/imCb8TC6c38rNm5C5n3mDyRf/IxtMARfMqHGo/BhlUTIwMlp
X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com
X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html
X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers
X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly
X-Postfilter: 1.3.40

View all headers

DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:

>>> "[Microsoft's] real design goals are to provide adequate functionality
>>> while forcing long-term lock-in, prevent competition of any kind, and
>>> increase the ability to extort money from customers." - shitv Oct 2003
>>>
>>> User-Agent
>>> Oct 2003: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 (Windows only)
>>> Nov 2024: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 (Windows only)
>>>
>>>
>>> Say it ain't so!
>>
>> Chris V. is a fucking prick, but we've been through this, Forte Agent
>> runs under Wine, even the final 8.0 version I'm using, much less is it
>> a problem with 1.x. You *know* this.
>
>It doesn't run on Linux or Mac.
>
>It's Windows-only.

So Wine is Windows? I'm not literally typing *this post* in Agent 8,
under Wine? Are you just making up facts, pulling them out of your
butt, now?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca (DFS)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: shitv: 21+ years of shameless support for MS's "lock-in,
anti-competitiveness, and extortion"
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2024 23:40:11 -0500
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Lines: 39
Message-ID: <vgum7b$1ec9k$1@dont-email.me>
References: <vgu43s$17kct$2@dont-email.me>
<l375jj5nj1tardf37naa2hvjo80pk10fij@4ax.com> <vguiio$1dmet$2@dont-email.me>
<s3l5jjpbr1jger3qd2opjh3gru2df2nk9g@4ax.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Injection-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 05:40:12 +0100 (CET)
Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7ec8eb643bb79cf22a4c4a5ef1eb0b64";
logging-data="1519924"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18FoBVeix8ls71W4XXUo38i"
User-Agent: Betterbird (Windows)
Cancel-Lock: sha1:H7PbDA6WusSxheDeowPJl1ONh/8=
Content-Language: en-US
In-Reply-To: <s3l5jjpbr1jger3qd2opjh3gru2df2nk9g@4ax.com>

View all headers

On 11/11/2024 11:11 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>
>>>> "[Microsoft's] real design goals are to provide adequate functionality
>>>> while forcing long-term lock-in, prevent competition of any kind, and
>>>> increase the ability to extort money from customers." - shitv Oct 2003
>>>>
>>>> User-Agent
>>>> Oct 2003: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 (Windows only)
>>>> Nov 2024: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 (Windows only)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Say it ain't so!
>>>
>>> Chris V. is a fucking prick, but we've been through this, Forte Agent
>>> runs under Wine, even the final 8.0 version I'm using, much less is it
>>> a problem with 1.x. You *know* this.
>>
>> It doesn't run on Linux or Mac.
>>
>> It's Windows-only.
>
>
> So Wine is Windows? I'm not literally typing *this post* in Agent 8,
> under Wine? Are you just making up facts, pulling them out of your
> butt, now?

Take Wine off your Linux crapbox

put Agent on it

Run Agent

Report to us what happened

Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!border-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local-3.nntp.ord.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 04:57:12 +0000
From: joelcrump@gmail.com (Joel)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: shitv: 21+ years of shameless support for MS's "lock-in, anti-competitiveness, and extortion"
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2024 23:57:12 -0500
Message-ID: <sjn5jj9ekfbsofmh0frhbnh55hi6qnq4tg@4ax.com>
References: <vgu43s$17kct$2@dont-email.me> <l375jj5nj1tardf37naa2hvjo80pk10fij@4ax.com> <vguiio$1dmet$2@dont-email.me> <s3l5jjpbr1jger3qd2opjh3gru2df2nk9g@4ax.com> <vgum7b$1ec9k$1@dont-email.me>
User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
OS: Debian 12, with Wine 9.0 for WinAPI
Lines: 61
X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com
X-Trace: sv3-YHYSKCssjWfZIxLndNnKGRP1FneS0Srtg4UPjE83QAQn3OiokIbA7U84S+KpeZhZhklg8PIZY6TrHZY!/h79kICLDIi6jc1eUooeCGE4hcXM7ZOI0UGZqPvrZOEh9/y/tOV5riMd6Q0+3G2eb1cH0+sC
X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com
X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html
X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers
X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly
X-Postfilter: 1.3.40

View all headers

DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:

>>>>> "[Microsoft's] real design goals are to provide adequate functionality
>>>>> while forcing long-term lock-in, prevent competition of any kind, and
>>>>> increase the ability to extort money from customers." - shitv Oct 2003
>>>>>
>>>>> User-Agent
>>>>> Oct 2003: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 (Windows only)
>>>>> Nov 2024: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 (Windows only)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Say it ain't so!
>>>>
>>>> Chris V. is a fucking prick, but we've been through this, Forte Agent
>>>> runs under Wine, even the final 8.0 version I'm using, much less is it
>>>> a problem with 1.x. You *know* this.
>>>
>>> It doesn't run on Linux or Mac.
>>>
>>> It's Windows-only.
>>
>> So Wine is Windows? I'm not literally typing *this post* in Agent 8,
>> under Wine? Are you just making up facts, pulling them out of your
>> butt, now?
>
>Take Wine off your Linux crapbox
>
>put Agent on it
>
>Run Agent
>
>Report to us what happened

That's retarded, and you know it, you're just using our use of Agent
as a cheap point to make, about how amazing Winblows software is. It's
not about the platform it's for, it's about the product having unique
value on *any* platform, that's the idea behind Wine and CodeWeavers.
You're trying to conflate some simple app like Agent with M$ Office or
Adobe Photoshop, it doesn't make basic sense. Agent is precisely the
kind of app that Wine exists to run, an essential, smaller tool. I
was told by Skype's Copilot that Office 2016 works OK under Wine, I'm
actually curious about that, if I can find a legit copy of it. You
yourself have talked about clinging to outdated versions of the suite.
Your arguments just don't pass muster.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Subject: Re: shitv: 21+ years of shameless support for MS's "lock-in, anti-competitiveness, and extortion"
From: CrudeSausage
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Organization: usenet-news.net
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 15:44 UTC
References: 1 2 3

Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.quux.org!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.cmpublishers.com!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!fx08.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail
MIME-Version: 1.0
User-Agent: Betterbird (Windows)
Subject: Re: shitv: 21+ years of shameless support for MS's "lock-in,
anti-competitiveness, and extortion"
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
References: <vgu43s$17kct$2@dont-email.me>
<l375jj5nj1tardf37naa2hvjo80pk10fij@4ax.com> <vguiio$1dmet$2@dont-email.me>
Content-Language: en-US
From: crude@sausa.ge (CrudeSausage)
In-Reply-To: <vguiio$1dmet$2@dont-email.me>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Lines: 32
Message-ID: <FJKYO.8785$RrW3.4523@fx08.iad>
X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenet-news.net
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 15:44:37 UTC
Organization: usenet-news.net
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 10:44:28 -0500
X-Received-Bytes: 1796

View all headers

Le 2024-11-11 à 22:38, DFS a écrit :
> On 11/11/2024 7:10 PM, Joel wrote:
>> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>>
>>> "[Microsoft's] real design goals are to provide adequate functionality
>>> while forcing long-term lock-in, prevent competition of any kind, and
>>> increase the ability to extort money from customers." - shitv Oct 2003
>>>
>>> User-Agent
>>> Oct 2003: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 (Windows only)
>>> Nov 2024: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564 (Windows only)
>>>
>>>
>>> Say it ain't so!
>>
>>
>> Chris V. is a fucking prick, but we've been through this, Forte Agent
>> runs under Wine, even the final 8.0 version I'm using, much less is it
>> a problem with 1.x. You *know* this.
>
>
> It doesn't run on Linux or Mac.
>
> It's Windows-only.

I very strongly doubt that something as simplistic as Forte Agent won't
run on Linux with a minimum of Wine configuration.

--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.
Trump is a legend.

Subject: Re: shitv: 21+ years of shameless support for MS's "lock-in, anti-competitiveness, and extortion"
From: chrisv
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Organization: fastusenet - www.fastusenet.org
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2024 22:24 UTC
References: 1 2 3 4

Path: eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder2.eternal-september.org!news.quux.org!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer02.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!fx12.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: chrisv@nospam.invalid (chrisv)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: shitv: 21+ years of shameless support for MS's "lock-in, anti-competitiveness, and extortion"
Message-ID: <5sqkjjl9qj0fm2nsgpmj0ju4rui2inqo4q@4ax.com>
References: <vgu43s$17kct$2@dont-email.me> <l375jj5nj1tardf37naa2hvjo80pk10fij@4ax.com> <vguiio$1dmet$2@dont-email.me> <FJKYO.8785$RrW3.4523@fx08.iad>
X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.91/32.564
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Lines: 30
X-Complaints-To: abuse@fastusenet.org
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2024 22:24:20 UTC
Organization: fastusenet - www.fastusenet.org
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2024 16:24:21 -0600
X-Received-Bytes: 1625

View all headers

CrudeSausage wrote:

> some dumb fsck wrote: :
>>
>> some kook wrote:
>>>
>>> some dumb fsck wrote:
>>>>
>>>> (idiocy snipped)

Miss me, DumFSck? I've been traveling on business and too busy for
usenet. I could live without the travel but I must say the eating in
fancy restaurants for "free" is nice.

>>> Chris V. is a fucking prick, but we've been through this, Forte Agent
>>> runs under Wine, even the final 8.0 version I'm using, much less is it
>>> a problem with 1.x. You *know* this.
>>
>> It doesn't run on Linux or Mac.
>>
>> It's Windows-only.
>
>I very strongly doubt that something as simplistic as Forte Agent won't
>run on Linux with a minimum of Wine configuration.

It just works.

--
'Unfortunately I believed the COLA gang when they said "it all just
works".' - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark

Subject	Author
shitv: 21+ years of shameless support for MS's "lock-in, anti-competitiveness, a	DFS
Re: shitv: 21+ years of shameless support for MS's "lock-in, anti-competitivenes	Joel
Re: shitv: 21+ years of shameless support for MS's "lock-in, anti-competitivenes	DFS
Re: shitv: 21+ years of shameless support for MS's "lock-in, anti-competitivenes	Joel
Re: shitv: 21+ years of shameless support for MS's "lock-in, anti-competitivenes	DFS
Re: shitv: 21+ years of shameless support for MS's "lock-in, anti-competitivenes	Joel
Re: shitv: 21+ years of shameless support for MS's "lock-in, anti-competitivenes	CrudeSausage
Re: shitv: 21+ years of shameless support for MS's "lock-in, anti-competitivenes	chrisv