Sooner or later they all fall down.

Democrats think lying is normal, just like they believe boys can be girls.

Snopes Heroin Addict Fact Checkers wrote:
> Sooner or later they all fall down.
>
> Democrats think lying is normal, just like they believe boys can
> be girls.

Fake news?

=<https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-versus-truth-most-outrageous-falsehoods-his-presidency-n1252580>

President Donald Trump spent his first days in office pushing
false claims about the size of his inauguration crowd.

He has spent the final weeks of his term blitzing the American
people with falsehoods and far-fetched conspiracies as part of a
failed attempt to overturn the election he lost — cementing his
legacy as what fact checkers and presidential historians say is
the most mendacious White House occupant ever.

“I have never seen a president in American history who has lied so
continuously and so outrageously as Donald Trump, period,”
presidential historian Michael Beschloss said in an interview.
“Dwight Eisenhower used to say one of the most important tools a
president of the United States has is that people believe what he
says."

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> Snopes Heroin Addict Fact Checkers wrote:
>> Sooner or later they all fall down.
>>
>> Democrats think lying is normal, just like they believe boys can
>> be girls.
>
> Fake news?
>
> =<https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-versus-truth-most-outrageous-falsehoods-his-presidency-n1252580>
>
> President Donald Trump spent his first days in office pushing
> false claims about the size of his inauguration crowd.
>
> He has spent the final weeks of his term blitzing the American
> people with falsehoods and far-fetched conspiracies as part of a
> failed attempt to overturn the election he lost — cementing his
> legacy as what fact checkers and presidential historians say is
> the most mendacious White House occupant ever.
>
> “I have never seen a president in American history who has lied so
> continuously and so outrageously as Donald Trump, period,”
> presidential historian Michael Beschloss said in an interview.
> “Dwight Eisenhower used to say one of the most important tools a
> president of the United States has is that people believe what he
> says."

Well, almost half the people in America believe this clown when he lies
about:

- Election rigging by Democrats
- Calling the Biden administration corrupt and incompetent
- Calling our people "the enemy within"
- Calling us radical left marxist communist vermin
- That he will reduce inflation and lower prices (via tariffs
and mass deportation).
- He will be the protector of women
- He doesn't know the racist-joking comedian and didn't hear what
he said at his own rally
- And on and on and on....

--
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Something that is occasionally up but normally down.
(see also Computer).

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

>Well, almost half the people in America believe this clown when he lies
>about:
>
> - Election rigging by Democrats
> - Calling the Biden administration corrupt and incompetent
> - Calling our people "the enemy within"
> - Calling us radical left marxist communist vermin
> - That he will reduce inflation and lower prices (via tariffs
> and mass deportation).
> - He will be the protector of women
> - He doesn't know the racist-joking comedian and didn't hear what
> he said at his own rally
> - And on and on and on....

Trump's an asshole and a liar, no doubt. But Harris will destroy our
way of life.

On 2024-10-31, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>>Well, almost half the people in America believe this clown when he lies
>>about:
>>
>> - Election rigging by Democrats
>> - Calling the Biden administration corrupt and incompetent
>> - Calling our people "the enemy within"
>> - Calling us radical left marxist communist vermin
>> - That he will reduce inflation and lower prices (via tariffs
>> and mass deportation).
>> - He will be the protector of women
>> - He doesn't know the racist-joking comedian and didn't hear what
>> he said at his own rally
>> - And on and on and on....
>
> Trump's an asshole and a liar, no doubt. But Harris will destroy our
> way of life.

Harris/Biden have already destroyed pur way of life.
The last 4 years have been pure hell.

There is a reason why the economy is the number 1 election issue and the
border is the number 2 issue.
The reason is Kamla Harris and Joe Biden.
The republic cannot sustain another 4 years of this democrat run clown show.

--
pothead

See Kamala Harris best interview ever.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6363352689112
She really knocks this one out of the park.
Don't you agree?

pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:vg10oi$2se2b$1@dont-email.me:

> On 2024-10-31, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>>Well, almost half the people in America believe this clown when he
>>>lies about:
>>>
>>> - Election rigging by Democrats
>>> - Calling the Biden administration corrupt and incompetent
>>> - Calling our people "the enemy within"
>>> - Calling us radical left marxist communist vermin
>>> - That he will reduce inflation and lower prices (via tariffs
>>> and mass deportation).
>>> - He will be the protector of women
>>> - He doesn't know the racist-joking comedian and didn't hear
>>> what
>>> he said at his own rally
>>> - And on and on and on....
>>
>> Trump's an asshole and a liar, no doubt. But Harris will destroy our
>> way of life.
>
> Harris/Biden have already destroyed pur way of life.
> The last 4 years have been pure hell.

Yes, the news is full of stories about
how Americans are suffering right now.

Halloween spending to reach $11.6B this year
Sept. 20, 2024

https://www.retaildive.com/news/consumer-halloween-spending-2024-
nrf/727613/

Americans Expect to Spend a Record-
Breaking $221 Billion on Summer
Vacations This Year
May 20, 2024

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/americans-expect-to-spend-a-
record-breaking-221-billion-on-summer-vacations-this-year-302149079.html

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>>Well, almost half the people in America believe this clown when he lies
>>about:
>>
>> - Election rigging by Democrats
>> - Calling the Biden administration corrupt and incompetent
>> - Calling our people "the enemy within"
>> - Calling us radical left marxist communist vermin
>> - That he will reduce inflation and lower prices (via tariffs
>> and mass deportation).
>> - He will be the protector of women
>> - He doesn't know the racist-joking comedian and didn't hear what
>> he said at his own rally
>> - And on and on and on....
>
>Trump's an asshole and a liar, no doubt. But Harris will destroy our
>way of life.

Your way of life is overrated. Expand your horizons, consider others'
needs.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

In article <d6j8ijlf4o4ugqhmj9k63151e7gcgvgsjp@4ax.com>,
joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>
> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> >
> >>Well, almost half the people in America believe this clown when he lies
> >>about:
> >>
> >> - Election rigging by Democrats
> >> - Calling the Biden administration corrupt and incompetent
> >> - Calling our people "the enemy within"
> >> - Calling us radical left marxist communist vermin
> >> - That he will reduce inflation and lower prices (via tariffs
> >> and mass deportation).
> >> - He will be the protector of women
> >> - He doesn't know the racist-joking comedian and didn't hear what
> >> he said at his own rally
> >> - And on and on and on....
> >
> >Trump's an asshole and a liar, no doubt. But Harris will destroy our
> >way of life.
>
>
> Your way of life is overrated. Expand your horizons, consider others'
> needs.

To busy taking care of my own thanks to our failed government.

In article <XnsB21CD607F2C01629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
says...
>
> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
> news:vg10oi$2se2b$1@dont-email.me:
>
> > On 2024-10-31, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> >>
> >>>Well, almost half the people in America believe this clown when he
> >>>lies about:
> >>>
> >>> - Election rigging by Democrats
> >>> - Calling the Biden administration corrupt and incompetent
> >>> - Calling our people "the enemy within"
> >>> - Calling us radical left marxist communist vermin
> >>> - That he will reduce inflation and lower prices (via tariffs
> >>> and mass deportation).
> >>> - He will be the protector of women
> >>> - He doesn't know the racist-joking comedian and didn't hear
> >>> what
> >>> he said at his own rally
> >>> - And on and on and on....
> >>
> >> Trump's an asshole and a liar, no doubt. But Harris will destroy our
> >> way of life.
> >
> > Harris/Biden have already destroyed pur way of life.
> > The last 4 years have been pure hell.
>
>
>
> Yes, the news is full of stories about
> how Americans are suffering right now.

Look the other way troll.
>
>
>
>
> Halloween spending to reach $11.6B this year
> Sept. 20, 2024
>
> https://www.retaildive.com/news/consumer-halloween-spending-2024-
> nrf/727613/
>
>
> Americans Expect to Spend a Record-
> Breaking $221 Billion on Summer
> Vacations This Year
> May 20, 2024
>
> https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/americans-expect-to-spend-a-
> record-breaking-221-billion-on-summer-vacations-this-year-302149079.html

On 10/31/24 11:37 PM, Joel wrote:
> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Well, almost half the people in America believe this clown when he lies
>>> about:
>>>
>>> - Election rigging by Democrats
>>> - Calling the Biden administration corrupt and incompetent
>>> - Calling our people "the enemy within"
>>> - Calling us radical left marxist communist vermin
>>> - That he will reduce inflation and lower prices (via tariffs
>>> and mass deportation).
>>> - He will be the protector of women
>>> - He doesn't know the racist-joking comedian and didn't hear what
>>> he said at his own rally
>>> - And on and on and on....
>>
>> Trump's an asshole and a liar, no doubt. But Harris will destroy our
>> way of life.
>
>
> Your way of life is overrated. Expand your horizons, consider others'
> needs.

I'd like to see some more delineation as to what this "way of life"
supposedly is.

Seems like it includes:

* the freedom to scream obscenities at everyone who's not straight white
religious conservatives without any consequences,

* while also ignoring all of the Bible passages to be charitable & nice
to others without any consequences,

* while supporting the rights of rapists to choose their victims who
will be then forced to carry their baby without any consequences,

* to also complain about how bad off they are economically (despite
years of <5% unemployment & equitable wage growth vs inflation), while
nevertheless supporting a candidate who has promised to raise their
income taxes by +2% as well as their direct living costs from tariffs by
another +5%, without realizing that the fiscal reality will hit them.

* and so on.

So let's see specifics from these whiners as to just what has actually
changed in their 'way of life' instead of conveniently vague hand
waiving. Otherwise, the only thing left is this:

[quote]
When two old white dudes are sitting next to you at the airport,
bitching about how Obama divided our country.

Me: “You’re right. All the racists took off their hoods so they could
cry about a black man being elected.”

Them: 😳😳 *sputtering*

Then they got up and moved 😂
[/quote]

<https://x.com/iamofdaniel/status/1851997347854557579>

-hh

In article <vg2oaa$391en$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>
> On 10/31/24 11:37 PM, Joel wrote:
> > chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> >>
> >>> Well, almost half the people in America believe this clown when he lies
> >>> about:
> >>>
> >>> - Election rigging by Democrats
> >>> - Calling the Biden administration corrupt and incompetent
> >>> - Calling our people "the enemy within"
> >>> - Calling us radical left marxist communist vermin
> >>> - That he will reduce inflation and lower prices (via tariffs
> >>> and mass deportation).
> >>> - He will be the protector of women
> >>> - He doesn't know the racist-joking comedian and didn't hear what
> >>> he said at his own rally
> >>> - And on and on and on....
> >>
> >> Trump's an asshole and a liar, no doubt. But Harris will destroy our
> >> way of life.
> >
> >
> > Your way of life is overrated. Expand your horizons, consider others'
> > needs.
>
>
> I'd like to see some more delineation as to what this "way of life"
> supposedly is.
>
> Seems like it includes:
>
> * the freedom to scream obscenities at everyone who's not straight white
> religious conservatives without any consequences,

Who does that?
>
> * while also ignoring all of the Bible passages to be charitable & nice
> to others without any consequences,

You don't believe in the bible.
>
> * while supporting the rights of rapists to choose their victims who
> will be then forced to carry their baby without any consequences,

That was just stupid.
>
> * to also complain about how bad off they are economically (despite
> years of <5% unemployment & equitable wage growth vs inflation), while
> nevertheless supporting a candidate who has promised to raise their
> income taxes by +2% as well as their direct living costs from tariffs by
> another +5%, without realizing that the fiscal reality will hit them.
>
> * and so on.
>
> So let's see specifics from these whiners as to just what has actually
> changed in their 'way of life' instead of conveniently vague hand
> waiving. Otherwise, the only thing left is this:
>
> [quote]
> When two old white dudes are sitting next to you at the airport,
> bitching about how Obama divided our country.
>
> Me: ?You?re right. All the racists took off their hoods so they could
> cry about a black man being elected.?
>
> Them: ?? *sputtering*
>
> Then they got up and moved ?
> [/quote]
>
> <https://x.com/iamofdaniel/status/1851997347854557579>
>
>
Your groveling and scraping bottom is amusing.

-hh wrote:

>Seems like it includes:

Seems like nothing of any of the "points" you made. At least for me.
For examples, I'm not opposed to abortions in all situations, and I
accept increased prices as inevitable as we necessarily reduce our
dependance upon our enemy, China.

>So let's see specifics from these whiners as to just what has actually
>changed in their 'way of life' instead of conveniently vague hand
>waiving.

Hordes of immigrants invading our country is not hand waving.
Leftists trying to make us poor and weak with "climate reforms" that
won't do any good while our enemy, China, laughs and builds two
coal-fired plants every week is not hand waving. Leftists calling
normal people "haters" if they don't want perverted men in girls
locker rooms is not hand waving.

On 2024-11-01, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>>Seems like it includes:
>
> Seems like nothing of any of the "points" you made. At least for me.
> For examples, I'm not opposed to abortions in all situations, and I
> accept increased prices as inevitable as we necessarily reduce our
> dependence upon our enemy, China.

Same.

>>So let's see specifics from these whiners as to just what has actually
>>changed in their 'way of life' instead of conveniently vague hand
>>waiving.
>
> Hordes of immigrants invading our country is not hand waving.
> Leftists trying to make us poor and weak with "climate reforms" that
> won't do any good while our enemy, China, laughs and builds two
> coal-fired plants every week is not hand waving. Leftists calling
> normal people "haters" if they don't want perverted men in girls
> locker rooms is not hand waving.

Same.
The libbys claim they are for women's rights yet they can't even figure out
what a women is.
It's crazy.

--
pothead

See Kamala Harris best interview ever.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6363352689112
She really knocks this one out of the park.
Don't you agree?

Mitchell Holman wrote:

>> Harris/Biden have already destroyed pur way of life.
>> The last 4 years have been pure hell.
>
> Yes, the news is full of stories about
>how Americans are suffering right now.

It is, which you would know, if you'd pull your head out of your ass.

Imagine living in a nice Wisconsin town, then within two years 10% of
the population is immegrants.

Good luck with that education system, and health care system, and law
enforcement system, and housing availabilty, ect, ect.

On 11/1/24 5:16 PM, chrisv wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>> Seems like it includes:
>
> Seems like nothing of any of the "points" you made. At least for me.

Meaning that you damn well know that there's been screams of "Fuck your
feelings" by the MAGAs. Likewise, how we've just had the debate here on
if the term "Snowflake" only applies when the Right is yelling at the Left.

> For examples, I'm not opposed to abortions in all situations, and I
> accept increased prices as inevitable as we necessarily reduce our
> dependance upon our enemy, China.

There's a fringe who opposed to abortions in "all situations", but this
statement is a Red Herring because it is trying to look past how there's
been a significant increase in health risks to all women (yes, including
your daughter) because of laws in GOP states which prioritize the life
of the fetus over the mother, which has already resulting in multiple
deaths of women. It is damn horrific to contract sepsis & die from a
miscarriage when the medicare care to prevent this is known.

>> So let's see specifics from these whiners as to just what has actually
>> changed in their 'way of life' instead of conveniently vague hand
>> waiving.
>
> Hordes of immigrants invading our country is not hand waving.

Considering that we have
* extremely low domestic unemployment (4.1%),
* ongoing domestic wage growth (greater than inflation rate),
* labor shortages in several industries ..

....when immigrants can - and are - positively contributing to fill these
labor gaps (which FYI helps to limit price increases) ...

.... just what is the actual problem with these immigrants?

Is it that they've not been processed in a timely fashion because of GOP
funding blockades? Or is it racism because they're not poor white
European immigrants like your forefathers were?

Case in point,

I recently read a NYT article: "What a Crackdown on Immigration Could
Mean for Cheap Milk":

<https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/15/magazine/milk-industry-undocumented-immigrants.html>

It had a couple of pretty stark numbers & comments, including:

"The Idaho Dairymen’s Association estimates that 89 percent of the
state’s on-site dairy workers are foreign-born. Nationally the number
may be closer to 51 percent, according to a survey published in 2015 by
Texas A&M. And research by academics in New York, Wisconsin, Minnesota
and Vermont suggests that the majority of these immigrants are
undocumented."

Similarly:

"When I mentioned to Pete Wiersma, the president of the Idaho Dairymen’s
Association and no relation to Peter, that I’d read a study predicting
that the price of milk would nearly double if foreign-born workers were
removed from the industry, he shook his head.
“I don’t think there would be milk,” Wiersma said. “I just don’t think
we could get it done."

And of course because of fake SSNs, they're all paying into SS &
Medicare and have no means of ever collecting.

> Leftists trying to make us poor and weak with "climate reforms"...

Sounds like someone doesn't remember what smog was like, or how
Cleveland's river caught on fire.

Nor do they know that solar/wind is creating more jobs than fossil fuels.

Plus how much of your concern for the hollowing-out of the Middle Class
is due to GOP anti-Union initiatives (including "at will" employment),
plus tax cuts just for the rich, which has enabled vastly greater wealth
concentration in the top 1%, which means less for everyone else.

> ... that
> won't do any good while our enemy, China, laughs and builds two
> coal-fired plants every week is not hand waving.

But that is hand waving when you're choosing ignore how much non-CO2
emitting generation China's also building, as well as ignore how coal
thermal plants can be later converted, once they get caught up on power
generation for their growing middle class.

> Leftists calling normal people "haters" if they don't want perverted
> men in girls locker rooms is not hand waving.

Which Trump literally bragged about doing...

Because by saying "men in girls", you're can't possibly be referring to
the challenges of gender identity among school age youth.

-hh

On 11/2/24 9:07 PM, chrisv wrote:
> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>
>>> Harris/Biden have already destroyed pur way of life.
>>> The last 4 years have been pure hell.
>>
>> Yes, the news is full of stories about
>> how Americans are suffering right now.
>
> It is, which you would know, if you'd pull your head out of your ass.
>
> Imagine living in a nice Wisconsin town, then within two years 10% of
> the population is immegrants.

Imagine living in a dying town which used to be 'nice' back in the
1950s, before the family farmers went under due to industrial scale
agriculture, and the light industry jobs were exported overseas.

Then, Haitians (yes, we know they're who you're really alluding to)
arrived in this town, revitalizing the economy & saved the town.

> Good luck with that education system, and health care system, and law
> enforcement system, and housing availabilty, ect, ect.

Because after decades of decline from loss of population & revenues for
the town's budget, a revitalization of their economy is a "bad" thing?

Housing in dying towns is cheap because supply > demand, as the kids
found no jobs locally, so they've been migrating away for decades.

-hh

-hh wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>
>>> Seems like it includes:
>>
>> Seems like nothing of any of the "points" you made. At least for me.
>
>Meaning that (bullshit snipped)

Meaning that you make shit up to attack. Most conservatives are
smarter and more aware than what you have asserted.

We *must* reduce our dependance upon China. They are our enemy. If
that reduces our standard of living, so be it.

>> For examples, I'm not opposed to abortions in all situations, and I
>> accept increased prices as inevitable as we necessarily reduce our
>> dependance upon our enemy, China.
>
>which has already resulting in multiple deaths of women.

Sad if true, but far more lives were saved.

>> Hordes of immigrants invading our country is not hand waving.
>
>... just what is the actual problem with these immigrants?

It's far too many, far too quickly. They are overwhelming our
systems. They are completely unvetted for quality and ability to
contribute.

>> Leftists trying to make us poor and weak with "climate reforms"...
>
> Sounds like (idiocy snipped)

Sounds like nothing of the kind.

>> ... that
>> won't do any good while our enemy, China, laughs and builds two
>> coal-fired plants every week is not hand waving.
>
>But that is hand waving (straw man arguments and verbose diversion attempts snipped)

No, it's a fact. The amount of carbon being spewed is controlled by
Southeast Asia. This bullshit about electric cars that aren't even
any better, for example, is ridiculous.

Where are the solar panels coming from? China. Where are the wind
turbines coming from? China? Where is the Lithium for batteries
coming from? China.

China is making sure that they have abundant energy, while we grow
weak and dependant. When they decide to take Taiwan, we won't dare do
anything about it. Then they'll own the chip supply, too.

Have fun being subservient to the CCP, America!

>> Leftists calling normal people "haters" if they don't want perverted
>> men in girls locker rooms is not hand waving.
>
> (idiocy snipped)

Trump is not relevant to the issue, and the feelings of a few confused
and/or sick does not override the feelings of everyone else.

I'm not going to bicker, again, about all of the issues. Your
assholery about the right having nothing but "hand waving" has been
debunked. Your response to this post will be deleted, unread.

--
"your hostility and active resistance creates/increases doubt" -
lying asshole "-hh", lying shamelessly

On 11/4/24 4:29 AM, chrisv wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>
>>>> Seems like it includes:
>>>
>>> Seems like nothing of any of the "points" you made. At least for me.
>>
>> Meaning that (bullshit snipped)
>
> Meaning that you make shit up to attack. Most conservatives are
> smarter and more aware than what you have asserted.

Based on postings here, there's been zero evidence that 'smarter' ones
even exist. Case in point:

You bravely snipped above: "...you damn well know that there's been
screams of "Fuck your feelings" by the MAGAs....", to try to avoid
acknowledging what was said, because you know that it is true.

> We *must* reduce our dependance upon China. They are our enemy. If
> that reduces our standard of living, so be it.

Sure, but if you really do what you say, then why are you supporting the
US politician who gave China even more power & influence when he
withdrew the USA from the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), which had
been configured to limit China's growth in influence?

Likewise, how do you support a candidate who's calling to cancel the US
CHIPS Act? Because this Act's purpose is to regain US manufacturing
capacity in the semiconductor industry and improve national security by
countering the huge Chinese push for dominance in this industry.

>>> For examples, I'm not opposed to abortions in all situations, and I
>>> accept increased prices as inevitable as we necessarily reduce our
>>> dependance upon our enemy, China.
>>
>> which has already resulting in multiple deaths of women.
>
> Sad if true, but far more lives were saved.

*IF*?

Amber Thurman, Georgia:
<https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amber-thurman-delayed-abortion-georgia/>

Josseli Barnica, Texas:
<https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/01/health/texas-miscarriage-death-propublica/index.html>

Neveah Crain, Texas:
<https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/01/teen-dies-abortion-ban-texas-neveah-crain>

"A dramatic rise in pregnant women dying in Texas after abortion ban
Exclusive analysis finds the rate of maternal deaths in Texas increased
56% from 2019 to 2022, compared with just 11% nationwide during the same
time period."

<https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/texas-abortion-ban-deaths-pregnant-women-sb8-analysis-rcna171631>

"Texas OB-GYNs urge lawmakers to change abortion laws after reports on
pregnant women's deaths"

<https://www.texastribune.org/2024/11/03/texas-ob-gyn-letter-abortion-laws/>

And no, more lives weren't saved, because when the mother dies, the
fetus dies too. Every time.

>>> Hordes of immigrants invading our country is not hand waving.
>>
>> ... just what is the actual problem with these immigrants?
>
> It's far too many, far too quickly. They are overwhelming our
> systems. They are completely unvetted for quality and ability to
> contribute.

Okay, but if that's really your position, then why are you supporting
the US politicians who are actively opposing fixing the backlog and
vetting problems by killing the bipartisan immigration bill?

FYI, if your defense is that it didn't go far enough, what's wrong with
taking a positive step in the desired direction? After all, "A journey
of 1000 miles starts with a single step" ...

Repeating something I asked RonB, just how long should the processing
take? Because TANSSAFL applies.

And FWIW, before one gets all hyped up about making sure that they're
only good quality folks who can contribute, where's the historical prior
precedent for this to be a standard? It certainly didn't exist for the
millions who came in through Ellis Island, plus as those small town
Haitians are demonstrating, they do good quite quickly. Ditto for the
upwards of 89% working in the Dairy industry as I'd previously cited.

>>> Leftists trying to make us poor and weak with "climate reforms"...
>>
>> Sounds like (idiocy snipped)
>
> Sounds like nothing of the kind.

Oh, you don't think I can bring receipts?

"...Sounds like someone doesn't remember what smog was like...

<https://ktla.com/news/california/the-difference-is-astonishing-graph-shows-how-much-better-california-smog-is-now/>

<https://www.californiasun.co/photos-when-l-a-smog-was-so-bad-people-suspected-a-gas-attack/>

<https://www.lung.org/blog/air-pollutions-top-10-health-risks>

"...or how Cleveland's river caught on fire.

<https://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/63>

"...Nor do they know that solar/wind is creating more jobs than fossil
fuels..."

"According to the 2019 U.S. Energy & Employment Report, in 2018 there
were 2.4 million jobs in clean energy generation and energy efficiency,
compared to half that many in fossil energy production."

<https://citizensclimatelobby.org/blog/policy/how-clean-energy-creates-more-jobs/>
<https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a98cf80ec4eb7c5cd928c61/t/5c7f3708fa0d6036d7120d8f/1551849054549/USEER+2019+US+Energy+Employment+Report.pdf>

"...concern for the hollowing-out of the Middle Class is due to GOP
anti-Union initiatives (including "at will" employment)..."

<https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/career-development/right-to-work-vs-at-will>

"...plus tax cuts just for the rich, which has enabled vastly greater
wealth concentration in the top 1%, which means less for everyone else."

<https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wealth-distribution-in-america/>

Plus the 2017 TCJA expires in 14 months, which will increase personal
marginal income tax rates by 3-4% for MFJ incomes above ~$24K

<https://taxfoundation.org/blog/2026-tax-brackets-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-expires/>

>
>>> ... that
>>> won't do any good while our enemy, China, laughs and builds two
>>> coal-fired plants every week is not hand waving.
>>
>> But that is hand waving (straw man arguments and verbose diversion attempts snipped)
>
> No, it's a fact.

Oh, so its a "fact" that China's not building any solar/wind?

"China Building Twice as Much Wind and Solar as Rest of World Combined"

"China is building 180 gigawatts of large solar projects and 159
gigawatts of large wind projects, which together amount to nearly
two-thirds of the capacity coming online worldwide, according to an
analysis from Global Energy Monitor"

"Wind and solar already amount to more than a third of Chinese power
capacity, and they are expected to surpass coal capacity this year."

<https://e360.yale.edu/digest/china-wind-solar-double-world>

Whoops!

> The amount of carbon being spewed is controlled by
> Southeast Asia.

You were complaining about China: don't try to dishonestly move the
goalposts now to "Southeast Asia".

What you're trying to invoke on is how China went on a coal power plant
building spree in the late 2010s, which was as a risk reduction measure
in case growths in nuclear+solar+wind didn't meet their domestic demand.
But what you're overlooking is that building it doesn't mean it gets
turned on and used:

"In May [2024], China saw its coal output hit a record low as renewable
generation surged, according to a new analysis from CarbonBrief."

<https://e360.yale.edu/digest/china-wind-solar-double-world>

Likewise, and as I've already said (but you bravely snipped!), you're
trying to "ignore how coal thermal plants can be later converted". This
is because a thermal powerplant is a thermal powerplant, so the thermal
source can be swapped out...plus its also possible that the only part
that's considered valuable is just its grid connection infrastructure:

<https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/16/climate/coal-to-solar-minnesota/index.html>

FYI, see also Switzerland's co-generation using solar & hydro:

<https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/switzerlands-solar-dam-sun-snow-perfect-mix-green-energy-drive-2023-02-06/>

> This bullshit about electric cars that aren't even
> any better, for example, is ridiculous.
>
> Where are the solar panels coming from? China. Where are the wind
> turbines coming from? China? Where is the Lithium for batteries
> coming from? China.
>
> China is making sure that they have abundant energy, while we grow
> weak and dependant. When they decide to take Taiwan, we won't dare do
> anything about it. Then they'll own the chip supply, too.
>
> Have fun being subservient to the CCP, America!

Oh, so its a good thing then that Trump killed the TPP, increasing
China's dominance?

>>> Leftists calling normal people "haters" if they don't want perverted
>>> men in girls locker rooms is not hand waving.
>>
>> (idiocy snipped)
> > Trump is not relevant to the issue, ...

chrisv wrote:

>>... just what is the actual problem with these immigrants?
>
>It's far too many, far too quickly. They are overwhelming our
>systems. They are completely unvetted for quality and ability to
>contribute.

And, I should have mentioned, completely unvetted as to their need for
asylum.

*No* sane society allows hoards of immigrants to enter their country
and then, as a reward for their breaking our laws, gives them free
money, housing, medical care, etc.

All while millions of our own citizens are struggling with poverty and
homelessness!

-hh wrote:

> (255 lines snipped, unread)

Who would have guessed that -highhorse would respond with an avalanche
of garbage, eh folks?

chrisv wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>> (255 lines snipped, unread)
>
> Who would have guessed that -highhorse would respond with an avalanche
> of garbage, eh folks?
>

Huntzy is a traitor to the very nation he served.

On 11/4/24 6:45 PM, chrisv wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>> (255 lines snipped, unread)
>
> Who would have guessed that -highhorse would respond with an avalanche
> of garbage, eh folks?
>

Who would have guessed that chrisv actually counted the lines ...

.... and still had zero substantive retort for any point made?

A: Everyone. Because when its chrisv, it isn't hard.

-hh

-hh wrote:
> On 11/4/24 6:45 PM, chrisv wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>
>>> (255 lines snipped, unread)
>>
>> Who would have guessed that -highhorse would respond with an avalanche
>> of garbage, eh folks?
>>
>
> Who would have guessed that chrisv actually counted the lines ...
>
Silence, treasonous scumbag.

-hh wrote:
> On 11/4/24 6:45 PM, chrisv wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>
>>> (255 lines snipped, unread)
>>
>> Who would have guessed that -highhorse would respond with an
>> avalanche
>> of garbage, eh folks?
>>
>
> Who would have guessed that chrisv actually counted the lines ...

wc -l

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On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 14:46:10 -0500, -hh wrote:

> On 11/4/24 4:29 AM, chrisv wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Seems like it includes:
>>>>
>>>> Seems like nothing of any of the "points" you made. At least for me.
>>>
>>> Meaning that (bullshit snipped)
>>
>> Meaning that you make shit up to attack. Most conservatives are
>> smarter and more aware than what you have asserted.
>
> Based on postings here, there's been zero evidence that 'smarter' ones
> even exist. Case in point:
>
> You bravely snipped above: "...you damn well know that there's been
> screams of "Fuck your feelings" by the MAGAs....", to try to avoid
> acknowledging what was said, because you know that it is true.
>
>
>> We *must* reduce our dependance upon China. They are our enemy. If
>> that reduces our standard of living, so be it.
>
> Sure, but if you really do what you say, then why are you supporting the
> US politician who gave China even more power & influence when he
> withdrew the USA from the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP), which had
> been configured to limit China's growth in influence?
>
> Likewise, how do you support a candidate who's calling to cancel the US
> CHIPS Act? Because this Act's purpose is to regain US manufacturing
> capacity in the semiconductor industry and improve national security by
> countering the huge Chinese push for dominance in this industry.
>
>
>>>> For examples, I'm not opposed to abortions in all situations, and I
>>>> accept increased prices as inevitable as we necessarily reduce our
>>>> dependance upon our enemy, China.
>>>
>>> which has already resulting in multiple deaths of women.
>>
>> Sad if true, but far more lives were saved.
>
> *IF*?
>
> Amber Thurman, Georgia:
> <https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amber-thurman-delayed-abortion-georgia/>
>
> Josseli Barnica, Texas:
> <https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/01/health/texas-miscarriage-death-
propublica/index.html>
>
> Neveah Crain, Texas:
> <https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/01/teen-dies-abortion-ban-
texas-neveah-crain>
>
> "A dramatic rise in pregnant women dying in Texas after abortion ban
> Exclusive analysis finds the rate of maternal deaths in Texas increased
> 56% from 2019 to 2022, compared with just 11% nationwide during the same
> time period."
>
> <https://www.nbcnews.com/health/womens-health/texas-abortion-ban-deaths-
pregnant-women-sb8-analysis-rcna171631>
>
> "Texas OB-GYNs urge lawmakers to change abortion laws after reports on
> pregnant women's deaths"
>
> <https://www.texastribune.org/2024/11/03/texas-ob-gyn-letter-abortion-
laws/>
>
> And no, more lives weren't saved, because when the mother dies, the
> fetus dies too. Every time.
>
>
>>>> Hordes of immigrants invading our country is not hand waving.
>>>
>>> ... just what is the actual problem with these immigrants?
>>
>> It's far too many, far too quickly. They are overwhelming our systems.
>> They are completely unvetted for quality and ability to contribute.
>
>
> Okay, but if that's really your position, then why are you supporting
> the US politicians who are actively opposing fixing the backlog and
> vetting problems by killing the bipartisan immigration bill?
>
> FYI, if your defense is that it didn't go far enough, what's wrong with
> taking a positive step in the desired direction? After all, "A journey
> of 1000 miles starts with a single step" ...
>
> Repeating something I asked RonB, just how long should the processing
> take? Because TANSSAFL applies.
>
>
> And FWIW, before one gets all hyped up about making sure that they're
> only good quality folks who can contribute, where's the historical prior
> precedent for this to be a standard? It certainly didn't exist for the
> millions who came in through Ellis Island, plus as those small town
> Haitians are demonstrating, they do good quite quickly. Ditto for the
> upwards of 89% working in the Dairy industry as I'd previously cited.
>
>
>
>>>> Leftists trying to make us poor and weak with "climate reforms"...
>>>
>>> Sounds like (idiocy snipped)
>>
>> Sounds like nothing of the kind.
>
> Oh, you don't think I can bring receipts?
>
> "...Sounds like someone doesn't remember what smog was like...
>
> <https://ktla.com/news/california/the-difference-is-astonishing-graph-
shows-how-much-better-california-smog-is-now/>
>
> <https://www.californiasun.co/photos-when-l-a-smog-was-so-bad-people-
suspected-a-gas-attack/>
>
> <https://www.lung.org/blog/air-pollutions-top-10-health-risks>
>
>
> "...or how Cleveland's river caught on fire.
>
> <https://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/63>
>
>
> "...Nor do they know that solar/wind is creating more jobs than fossil
> fuels..."
>
> "According to the 2019 U.S. Energy & Employment Report, in 2018 there
> were 2.4 million jobs in clean energy generation and energy efficiency,
> compared to half that many in fossil energy production."
>
> <https://citizensclimatelobby.org/blog/policy/how-clean-energy-creates-
more-jobs/>
> <https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5a98cf80ec4eb7c5cd928c61/t/
5c7f3708fa0d6036d7120d8f/1551849054549/
USEER+2019+US+Energy+Employment+Report.pdf>
>
>
> "...concern for the hollowing-out of the Middle Class is due to GOP
> anti-Union initiatives (including "at will" employment)..."
>
> <https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/career-development/right-to-work-
vs-at-will>
>
> "...plus tax cuts just for the rich, which has enabled vastly greater
> wealth concentration in the top 1%, which means less for everyone else."
>
> <https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wealth-distribution-in-america/>
>
> Plus the 2017 TCJA expires in 14 months, which will increase personal
> marginal income tax rates by 3-4% for MFJ incomes above ~$24K
>
> <https://taxfoundation.org/blog/2026-tax-brackets-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-
expires/>
>
>
>>>> ... that won't do any good while our enemy, China, laughs and builds
>>>> two coal-fired plants every week is not hand waving.
>>>
>>> But that is hand waving (straw man arguments and verbose diversion
>>> attempts snipped)
>>
>> No, it's a fact.
>
>
> Oh, so its a "fact" that China's not building any solar/wind?
>
> "China Building Twice as Much Wind and Solar as Rest of World Combined"
>
> "China is building 180 gigawatts of large solar projects and 159
> gigawatts of large wind projects, which together amount to nearly
> two-thirds of the capacity coming online worldwide, according to an
> analysis from Global Energy Monitor"
>
> "Wind and solar already amount to more than a third of Chinese power
> capacity, and they are expected to surpass coal capacity this year."
>
> <https://e360.yale.edu/digest/china-wind-solar-double-world>
>
> Whoops!
>
>
>> The amount of carbon being spewed is controlled by Southeast Asia.
>
> You were complaining about China: don't try to dishonestly move the
> goalposts now to "Southeast Asia".
>
> What you're trying to invoke on is how China went on a coal power plant
> building spree in the late 2010s, which was as a risk reduction measure
> in case growths in nuclear+solar+wind didn't meet their domestic demand.
> But what you're overlooking is that building it doesn't mean it gets
> turned on and used:
>
> "In May [2024], China saw its coal output hit a record low as renewable
> generation surged, according to a new analysis from CarbonBrief."
>
> <https://e360.yale.edu/digest/china-wind-solar-double-world>
>
> Likewise, and as I've already said (but you bravely snipped!), you're
> trying to "ignore how coal thermal plants can be later converted". This
> is because a thermal powerplant is a thermal powerplant, so the thermal
> source can be swapped out...plus its also possible that the only part
> that's considered valuable is just its grid connection infrastructure:
>
> <https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/16/climate/coal-to-solar-minnesota/
index.html>
>
> FYI, see also Switzerland's co-generation using solar & hydro:
>
> <https://www.reuters.com/business/sustainable-business/switzerlands-
solar-dam-sun-snow-perfect-mix-green-energy-drive-2023-02-06/>
>
>
>
>
>> This bullshit about electric cars that aren't even any better, for
>> example, is ridiculous.
>>
>> Where are the solar panels coming from? China. Where are the wind
>> turbines coming from? China? Where is the Lithium for batteries
>> coming from? China.
>>
>> China is making sure that they have abundant energy, while we grow weak
>> and dependant. When they decide to take Taiwan, we won't dare do
>> anything about it. Then they'll own the chip supply, too.
>>
>> Have fun being subservient to the CCP, America!
>
>
> Oh, so its a good thing then that Trump killed the TPP, increasing
> China's dominance?
>
>
>
>>>> Leftists calling normal people "haters" if they don't want perverted
>>>> men in girls locker rooms is not hand waving.
>>>
>>> (idiocy snipped)
>> > Trump is not relevant to the issue, ...
>
> Incorrect, because you said "men", not boys. As such, you've exluded
> those who you claim are the feelings of a few confused/sick.
>
>> and the feelings of a few confused and/or sick does not override the
>> feelings of everyone else.
>
>
> No, for you're trying to take the lazy way out: the principles of
> equality is that it is for all, not just the 98% that's easy.
>
>
>> I'm not going to bicker, again, about all of the issues. Your
>> assholery about the right having nothing but "hand waving" has been
>> debunked. Your response to this post will be deleted, unread.
>
> Oh look: it is chrisv falsely declaring victory again: just like what
> we can expect Trump to do tomorrow, no matter the election outcome!
>
>
>
> -hh