https://youtu.be/oSBDkPxivuA?t=438

DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:

>https://youtu.be/oSBDkPxivuA?t=438

Ready to switch to Linux full time, then, buddy? :)

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-10-28 1:55 p.m., DFS wrote:
>
> https://youtu.be/oSBDkPxivuA?t=438

The moment it becomes available to me, I will remove it.

--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

On 10/28/2024 3:14 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>
>> https://youtu.be/oSBDkPxivuA?t=438
>
>
> Ready to switch to Linux full time, then, buddy? :)

As long as you can uninstall Recall, not a chance.

As long as I'm forced to use thunar or dolphin or any of the other
crapware file managers I've tried, not a chance.

As long as I'm forced into a substandard programming editor, not a
chance (Geany is decent, but Notepad++ is the best)

As long as there's no office software as good as MS Office, not a chance.

etc

You know, for however many years Windows records a lot of your activity:

https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/computer_activity_view.html

"This tool gathers information from various sources, including the
Registry, the events log of Windows, the Prefetch folder of Windows
(C:\windows\Prefetch), the MiniDump folder of Windows
(C:\Windows\Minidump), and more..."

No screenshots, but more details than I would want a stranger to see.

I presume you can get the same type of info from Linux log files.

At some point I'll give Recall a try if it's free, but I can't imagine
why I would want to store such a detailed record of my computer usage.

It's just cola and porn 16 hours a day anyway.

DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:

>>> https://youtu.be/oSBDkPxivuA?t=438
>>
>> Ready to switch to Linux full time, then, buddy? :)
>
>As long as you can uninstall Recall, not a chance.
>
>As long as I'm forced to use thunar or dolphin or any of the other
>crapware file managers I've tried, not a chance.
>
>As long as I'm forced into a substandard programming editor, not a
>chance (Geany is decent, but Notepad++ is the best)
>
>As long as there's no office software as good as MS Office, not a chance.
>
>etc
>
>You know, for however many years Windows records a lot of your activity:
>
>https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/computer_activity_view.html
>
>"This tool gathers information from various sources, including the
>Registry, the events log of Windows, the Prefetch folder of Windows
>(C:\windows\Prefetch), the MiniDump folder of Windows
>(C:\Windows\Minidump), and more..."
>
>No screenshots, but more details than I would want a stranger to see.
>
>I presume you can get the same type of info from Linux log files.
>
>At some point I'll give Recall a try if it's free, but I can't imagine
>why I would want to store such a detailed record of my computer usage.
>
>It's just cola and porn 16 hours a day anyway.

I mean, it's optional, yeah, but aren't you tired of Windows just
endlessly expanding? Linux is a more common-sense OS.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 21:56:36 -0400, DFS wrote:

> As long as I'm forced to use thunar or dolphin or any of the other
> crapware file managers I've tried, not a chance.

So don’t use any of them. You have a choice.

> As long as I'm forced into a substandard programming editor, not a
> chance (Geany is decent, but Notepad++ is the best)

Pity you can’t just do “apt get install «editor-of-choice»”.

> As long as there's no office software as good as MS Office, not a
> chance.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:

>As long as I'm forced into a substandard programming editor, not a
>chance (Geany is decent, but Notepad++ is the best)

Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked
great.

https://code.visualstudio.com/download

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 10/29/2024 11:14 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 21:56:36 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> As long as I'm forced to use thunar or dolphin or any of the other
>> crapware file managers I've tried, not a chance.
>
> So don’t use any of them. You have a choice.

I've tried a big bunch of file managers on Windows and Linux. I keep
coming back to Windows File Explorer.

X File Explorer on Linux looks like it might be worth a try.

>> As long as I'm forced into a substandard programming editor, not a
>> chance (Geany is decent, but Notepad++ is the best)
>
> Pity you can’t just do “apt get install «editor-of-choice»”.

My editor of choice on Windows is Notepad++. It has a ton of features I
don't use, but a subset I won't go without: block commenting and
uncommenting, several line sort operations, show symbols, function list,
tab sizing, syntax highlighting, column mode, search across
folders/multiple documents.

I once spent most of a day writing code only on MousePad on Linux, so I
can adapt to a lesser editor. But why should anyone have to lower their
standards just to use Linux?

>> As long as there's no office software as good as MS Office, not a
>> chance.
>
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Here's the datasource: https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/download-datasets.html

Here's my MS Access 2003 app: https://imgur.com/a/PBpe6Al

It was built against a few tables from SR28. It has one tab control
with 2 pages, 7 listboxes, 2 option groups, one textbox, and small
amounts of VBA code.

Your mission, should you choose to accept it (you won't), is to
replicate that simple app functionality in LibreOffice.

crickets are already buzzing...

On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:45:41 -0400, DFS wrote:

> I've tried a big bunch of file managers on Windows and Linux. I keep
> coming back to Windows File Explorer.

Could it cope with those 100,000 files we were discussing the other day?

> But why should anyone have to lower their standards just to use Linux?

Emacs does it all. It was doing it all before you were born.

> Here's the datasource: https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/download-datasets.html
>
> Here's my MS Access 2003 app: https://imgur.com/a/PBpe6Al
>
> It was built against a few tables from SR28. It has one tab control
> with 2 pages, 7 listboxes, 2 option groups, one textbox, and small
> amounts of VBA code.
>
> Your mission, should you choose to accept it (you won't), is to
> replicate that simple app functionality in LibreOffice.

Oh look, somebody already knows how to put it through professional
analysis tools (i.e. not Microsoft):
<https://github.com/afogarty85/fooddata_central>.

As the saying does: “Your move, creep.”

On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:31:00 -0400, Joel wrote:

> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>
>>As long as I'm forced into a substandard programming editor, not a
>>chance (Geany is decent, but Notepad++ is the best)
>
>
> Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked great.
>
> https://code.visualstudio.com/download

And a few other languages

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/vscode

Even Cobol

https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=bitlang.cobol

On this machine I have C/C++, C#, CMake, Jupyter, MicroPico for Picos with
Micropython, PlatfromIO for general embedded boards, Python, Raspberry Pi
Pico for Pico C++, and Vim emulation.

Like browser extensions some are better than others but it's easy to find
out which ones are best for whatever you're trying to do.

Best of all it is available on Windows and Linux so I'm working in the
same environment no matter which OS.

On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:45:41 -0400, DFS wrote:

> I once spent most of a day writing code only on MousePad on Linux, so I
> can adapt to a lesser editor. But why should anyone have to lower their
> standards just to use Linux?

I highly doubt if I took a screenshot of VS Code you could figure out what
platform it was on.

> Here's the datasource: https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/download-datasets.html
>
> Here's my MS Access 2003 app: https://imgur.com/a/PBpe6Al
>
> It was built against a few tables from SR28. It has one tab control
> with 2 pages, 7 listboxes, 2 option groups, one textbox, and small
> amounts of VBA code.
>
> Your mission, should you choose to accept it (you won't), is to
> replicate that simple app functionality in LibreOffice.

Why in the name of all that is holy would you take perfectly good CSV
data, stick it in an obsolete version of Access, and manipulate it with
the equally obsolete VBA? Or suggest using LibreOffice?

Give a man a hammer...

On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:31:00 -0400, Joel wrote:

> Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked great.
>
> https://code.visualstudio.com/download

Bloated, inefficient, and not as compatible as claimed.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

>> Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked great.
>>
>> https://code.visualstudio.com/download
>
>Bloated, inefficient, and not as compatible as claimed.

I would take your word for it ...

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 10/29/2024 11:31 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>
>> As long as I'm forced into a substandard programming editor, not a
>> chance (Geany is decent, but Notepad++ is the best)
>
>
> Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked
> great.
>
> https://code.visualstudio.com/download

A lot of programmers on Linux use it, but it's too heavy and crammed-
interface for my tastes.

On 10/30/2024 12:16 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:45:41 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> I've tried a big bunch of file managers on Windows and Linux. I keep
>> coming back to Windows File Explorer.
>
> Could it cope with those 100,000 files we were discussing the other day?

It copes very well.

>> But why should anyone have to lower their standards just to use Linux?
>
> Emacs does it all. It was doing it all before you were born.

I didn't know Guy Steele wrote Emacs when he was 8.

>> Here's the datasource: https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/download-datasets.html
>>
>> Here's my MS Access 2003 app: https://imgur.com/a/PBpe6Al
>>
>> It was built against a few tables from SR28. It has one tab control
>> with 2 pages, 7 listboxes, 2 option groups, one textbox, and small
>> amounts of VBA code.
>>
>> Your mission, should you choose to accept it (you won't), is to
>> replicate that simple app functionality in LibreOffice.
>
> Oh look, somebody already knows how to put it through professional
> analysis tools (i.e. not Microsoft):
> <https://github.com/afogarty85/fooddata_central>.
>
> As the saying does: “Your move, creep.”

Told you you would fail.

On 10/30/2024 12:36 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:45:41 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>
>> I once spent most of a day writing code only on MousePad on Linux, so I
>> can adapt to a lesser editor. But why should anyone have to lower their
>> standards just to use Linux?
>
> I highly doubt if I took a screenshot of VS Code you could figure out what
> platform it was on.

I never claimed differently. But I don't like VS Code.

>> Here's the datasource: https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/download-datasets.html
>>
>> Here's my MS Access 2003 app: https://imgur.com/a/PBpe6Al
>>
>> It was built against a few tables from SR28. It has one tab control
>> with 2 pages, 7 listboxes, 2 option groups, one textbox, and small
>> amounts of VBA code.
>>
>> Your mission, should you choose to accept it (you won't), is to
>> replicate that simple app functionality in LibreOffice.
>
> Why in the name of all that is holy would you take perfectly good CSV
> data, stick it in an obsolete version of Access, and manipulate it with
> the equally obsolete VBA?

I built that years ago to:
* smack down that LibreOffice junk
* show Feeb how to access info very quickly via GUI. The idiot thinks
users should write their own SQL if they want information.

I may do a quick rewrite of it in PyQt and SQLite, which should run
unchanged on Linux.

Hey, why don't you give the simple challenge a try? Just so you know,
it cannot be done in that piece of crap LibreOffice, so don't waste your
time. But pick your poison and have at it.

The loudmouth nitwits Feeb and Larry Duh and Joel have tucked tail and
run after making noise about LO being the equal of MS Office.

> Or suggest using LibreOffice?

The ONLY thing I might suggest using LibreOffice for is trying to open
obscure documents.

> Give a man a hammer...

Why shouldn't it be in an old version of Access, using VBA?

On 10/30/2024 12:18 AM, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:31:00 -0400, Joel wrote:
>
>> DFS <guhnoo-basher@linux.advocaca> wrote:
>>
>>> As long as I'm forced into a substandard programming editor, not a
>>> chance (Geany is decent, but Notepad++ is the best)
>>
>>
>> Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked great.
>>
>> https://code.visualstudio.com/download
>
> And a few other languages
>
> https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/vscode
>
> Even Cobol
>
> https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=bitlang.cobol
>
> On this machine I have C/C++, C#, CMake, Jupyter, MicroPico for Picos with
> Micropython, PlatfromIO for general embedded boards, Python, Raspberry Pi
> Pico for Pico C++, and Vim emulation.

You're posting from a Raspberry Pi?

On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 05:47:50 -0400, Joel wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked
>>> great.
>>>
>>> https://code.visualstudio.com/download
>>
>>Bloated, inefficient, and not as compatible as claimed.
>
>
> I would take your word for it ...

I certainly wouldn't and I use it almost every day.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 05:47:50 -0400, Joel wrote:
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked
>>>> great.
>>>>
>>>> https://code.visualstudio.com/download
>>>
>>>Bloated, inefficient, and not as compatible as claimed.
>>
>> I would take your word for it ...
>
>I certainly wouldn't and I use it almost every day.

Thanks.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 11:25:22 -0400, DFS wrote:

>> On this machine I have C/C++, C#, CMake, Jupyter, MicroPico for Picos
>> with Micropython, PlatfromIO for general embedded boards, Python,
>> Raspberry Pi Pico for Pico C++, and Vim emulation.
>
> You're posting from a Raspberry Pi?

No, I'm posting from Ubuntu. However I do have it on the Raspberry Pi 5
and it works well.

https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/setup/raspberry-pi

I have it installed on two work Windows 11 machines, my Windows 11 laptop,
the Fedora, Ubuntu, and Lubuntu boxes, and the Pi.

The only machine where it isn't installed is my work Linux box. That has
32-bit Debian and Code isn't available. The legacy applications are 32-bit
and it's a royal PITA to build them on a 64-bit machine. 64-bit is out
since the legacy Esri ArcObjects is 32-bit.

On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 11:07:01 -0400, DFS wrote:

> I may do a quick rewrite of it in PyQt and SQLite, which should run
> unchanged on Linux.

That probably would be my approach although I would use PySide6.

https://doc.qt.io/qtforpython-6/

PySide6 avoids Riverbank Computing's bullshit. On Windows I might use .NET
and C# but so far there isn't a decent .NET GUI on Linux.

On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 11:07:01 -0400, DFS wrote:

> Hey, why don't you give the simple challenge a try? Just so you know,
> it cannot be done in that piece of crap LibreOffice, so don't waste your
> time. But pick your poison and have at it.

I only use LibreOffice to read docx or xls crap people insist on using for
RFPs or API documentation.

On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 05:47:50 -0400, Joel wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> Microsoft furnishes a programming editor for GNU C, which looked
>>> great.
>>>
>>> https://code.visualstudio.com/download
>>
>>Bloated, inefficient, and not as compatible as claimed.
>
> I would take your word for it ...

It was claimed to be able to run Jupyter notebooks. Turns out it doesn’t
do that very well. It’ll stick to the real Jupyter.

On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 11:07:01 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 10/30/2024 12:36 AM, rbowman wrote:
>
>> Why in the name of all that is holy would you take perfectly good CSV
>> data, stick it in an obsolete version of Access, and manipulate it with
>> the equally obsolete VBA?
>
> I built that years ago to:
> * smack down that LibreOffice junk

Still ignoring my point about actual data analysis, aren’t you?

On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 11:03:04 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 10/30/2024 12:16 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 23:45:41 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Here's the datasource:
>>> https://fdc.nal.usda.gov/download-datasets.html
>>>
>>> Here's my MS Access 2003 app: https://imgur.com/a/PBpe6Al
>>>
>>> It was built against a few tables from SR28. It has one tab control
>>> with 2 pages, 7 listboxes, 2 option groups, one textbox, and small
>>> amounts of VBA code.
>>>
>>> Your mission, should you choose to accept it (you won't), is to
>>> replicate that simple app functionality in LibreOffice.
>>
>> Oh look, somebody already knows how to put it through professional
>> analysis tools (i.e. not Microsoft):
>> <https://github.com/afogarty85/fooddata_central>.
>>
>> As the saying does: “Your move, creep.”
>
> Told you you would fail.

Think about why Microsoft has been forced to offer access to Python-based
open-source tools to its Excel users: it’s because of the quality of
analysis available through examples like the above.

Now think about why Microsoft can get away with charging for those extra
tools: it’s because Microsoft users (like yourself) are too dumb to
realize they can bypass Microsoft and use them for free.