On 10/11/2024 8:11 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>> Maybe YOU could get a Linux job, even before Feeb!
>
>
> I don't really want an IT job.

You don't want any job which interferes with your drug and alcohol
lifestyle.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>>> Maybe YOU could get a Linux job, even before Feeb!
>>
>> I don't really want an IT job.
>
>You don't want any job which interferes with your drug and alcohol
>lifestyle.

Actually, that is why I *need* one, now. There's a new product,
relatively expensive, that I want to continue using, and I need more
income to afford it. I'm working on finding a job, if possible.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 17:48:31 -0400, DFS wrote:

> * both ZIP and 7z offer mediocre to average compression ratios with my
> SoundFont - 128 MB and 109 MB, respectively;

Better than .rar, isn’t it?

On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 19:36:45 -0400, DFS wrote:

> ... or was heavily dependent on Excel for finance and stats and
> decision making ...

Then their days in business are numbered anyway, aren’t they?

<https://www.solving-finance.com/post/the-wall-of-shame-for-the-worst-excel-errors>
<https://www.qashqade.com/insights/the-worst-financial-services-excel-errors-of-all-time>
<https://blog.hurree.co/8-of-the-biggest-excel-mistakes-of-all-time>
<https://mendo.cloud/en/blog/top-6-biggest-mistakes>

On 10/23/2024 3:09 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 19:36:45 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> ... or was heavily dependent on Excel for finance and stats and
>> decision making ...
>
> Then their days in business are numbered anyway, aren’t they?
>
> <https://www.solving-finance.com/post/the-wall-of-shame-for-the-worst-excel-errors>
> <https://www.qashqade.com/insights/the-worst-financial-services-excel-errors-of-all-time>
> <https://blog.hurree.co/8-of-the-biggest-excel-mistakes-of-all-time>
> <https://mendo.cloud/en/blog/top-6-biggest-mistakes>

Every issue in every link was caused by human error.

Typical MS-hating idiocy and lies.

What's gotten into you lately, Larry Duh? You've really become Snittish
and lame in the last few months.

On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 07:09:39 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 19:36:45 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> ... or was heavily dependent on Excel for finance and stats and
>> decision making ...
>
> Then their days in business are numbered anyway, aren’t they?
>
> <https://www.solving-finance.com/post/the-wall-of-shame-for-the-worst-
excel-errors>
> <https://www.qashqade.com/insights/the-worst-financial-services-excel-
errors-of-all-time>
> <https://blog.hurree.co/8-of-the-biggest-excel-mistakes-of-all-time>
> <https://mendo.cloud/en/blog/top-6-biggest-mistakes>

https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/22/excel_enters_its_40th_year

I've never personally had a use for a spreadsheet since the SuperCalc on
CP/M days but you'll have to pry Excel out of their cold dead fingers.

On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 11:18:51 -0400, DFS wrote:

> Every issue in every link was caused by human error.

Just coincidence that such “human error” occurs all too frequently with
Microsoft Excel.

Guess Excel is just too good for those puny human Earthlings, isn’t it?
They should be grateful Microsoft doesn’t just take off in its mothership
and relocate to some more appreciative planet.

On 23 Oct 2024 18:50:28 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> ... you'll have to pry Excel out of their cold dead fingers.

It’s crazy the way people are so attached to Excel, even to the detriment
in the quality of their work.

On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 06:55:58 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On 23 Oct 2024 18:50:28 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> ... you'll have to pry Excel out of their cold dead fingers.
>
> It’s crazy the way people are so attached to Excel, even to the
> detriment in the quality of their work.

It's crazy the way people use Excel as a general purpose scratch pad and
organizer. I get RFPs as Excel documents that have absolutely nothing to
do with calculating cells.

On 24 Oct 2024 19:09:09 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> It's crazy the way people use Excel as a general purpose scratch pad and
> organizer. I get RFPs as Excel documents that have absolutely nothing to
> do with calculating cells.

I like to use Jupyter as my “scratch pad”. It is also a key tool for those
doing data analysis at the professional level (i.e. beyond Excel).

On 10/24/2024 6:38 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On 24 Oct 2024 19:09:09 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> It's crazy the way people use Excel as a general purpose scratch pad and
>> organizer. I get RFPs as Excel documents that have absolutely nothing to
>> do with calculating cells.
>
> I like to use Jupyter as my “scratch pad”. It is also a key tool for those
> doing data analysis at the professional level (i.e. beyond Excel).

You and Feeb sit in your home computer room and ignorantly imagine how
the IT world works.

Virtually all professional data analysts and statisticians and decision
scientists and engineers and mathematicians use Excel heavily. Among
other tools, of course.

It's rare for datasets to exceed Excel's (or other spreadsheet's)
capacities.

On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 19:07:50 -0400, DFS wrote:

> Virtually all professional data analysts and statisticians and decision
> scientists and engineers and mathematicians use Excel heavily.

But not the good ones.

Consider this: either the quality of your work depends on the quality of
your analysis tools, or it doesn’t.

If it does, then using Excel is a career-limiting move, for all the well-
known reasons.

If it doesn’t, then why does your employer employ you, anyway?

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 19:07:50 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> Virtually all professional data analysts and statisticians and decision
>> scientists and engineers and mathematicians use Excel heavily.
>
>But not the good ones.
>
>Consider this: either the quality of your work depends on the quality of
>your analysis tools, or it doesn’t.
>
>If it does, then using Excel is a career-limiting move, for all the well-
>known reasons.
>
>If it doesn’t, then why does your employer employ you, anyway?

I've never used Excel nor LO Calc, but I'm about 99.9% sure that the
latter would work just as well if one put some elbow grease into using
it, that's the real difference, M$ wants to put bells and whistles
that make their product stand out, but in terms of what you can get
done, I defy DFS to show how LO wouldn't measure up. Now, if we were
talking about their database apps, I might believe Access has more
power, from what I saw of LO Base, and what I've heard about them, but
that's just not something I could conceivably have a need for. I
don't organize stuff in that manner.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 10/23/24 13:50, rbowman wrote:
> I've never personally had a use for a spreadsheet since the SuperCalc on
> CP/M days but you'll have to pry Excel out of their cold dead fingers.

And that's for good reason. Even without the use of VBA, the formulas
offer almost unlimited range of creative solutions for almost anything
what you want to do.

Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 19:07:50 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Virtually all professional data analysts and statisticians and decision
>>> scientists and engineers and mathematicians use Excel heavily.
>>
>>But not the good ones.
>>
>>Consider this: either the quality of your work depends on the quality of
>>your analysis tools, or it doesn’t.
>>
>>If it does, then using Excel is a career-limiting move, for all the well-
>>known reasons.
>>
>>If it doesn’t, then why does your employer employ you, anyway?
>
> I've never used Excel nor LO Calc, but I'm about 99.9% sure that the
> latter would work just as well if one put some elbow grease into using
> it, that's the real difference, M$ wants to put bells and whistles
> that make their product stand out, but in terms of what you can get
> done, I defy DFS to show how LO wouldn't measure up. Now, if we were
> talking about their database apps, I might believe Access has more
> power, from what I saw of LO Base, and what I've heard about them, but
> that's just not something I could conceivably have a need for. I
> don't organize stuff in that manner.

Libreoffice has a server mode that one can set up. I forget how to set it up,
but our work project used it for automated document conversion. It works on
Windows as well as Linux:

https://www.coretechnologies.com/products/AlwaysUp/Apps/InstallLibreOfficeAsAWindowsService.html

--
The X Window System:
The standard UNIX graphical environment. With Linux, this is usually
XFree86 (http://www.xfree86.org). You may call it X, XFree, the X
Window System, XF86, or a host of other things. Call it 'XWindows' and
someone will smack you and you will have deserved it.

On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 20:37:01 -0400, Joel wrote:

> Now, if we were talking about their database apps, I might believe
> Access has more power ...

No, it doesn’t. LO Base gives access to a range of backends, including
SQLite and MySQL/MariaDB. Either one of those is more powerful than
anything Access can offer.