The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>On 24/10/2024 14:45, bad sector wrote:
>
>> till, no men should ever have a say about it
>
>Wait till some female aborts your child without even a by your leave

Keep your dick to yourself, and you won't have to worry about it. Duh.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-10-24 4:44 p.m., bad sector wrote:
> On 10/24/24 13:30, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> On 2024-10-24 11:56 a.m., Paul wrote:
>>> On Wed, 10/23/2024 10:06 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> This statement demonstrates how much progressives care about the
>>>> people being enslaved in foreign countries ...
>>>
>>> Once you offshore, THERE IS NO TURNING BACK.
>>
>> Only if you don't care about your people. I am a nationalist so my own
>> people will always come first.
>
> You don't even have to be a nationalist, motherboards and gpu's (some
> research, automated printed circuit production and little more) costing
> $1000 up are well within domestic margins as it is. It's just a question
> of someone taking a swipe at it and THEN (because offshore WILL start
> slashing prices if challenged) sticking to a strategic PLAN.

If that is indeed the case, I am all in favour of it. It's time for the
West to stop trying to raise lifestyles in foreign countries at its own
peril.

--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

On 10/24/24 18:25, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 12:40:59 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> But the whole mess is all part of people taking up *moral* positions.
>
> No, the whole mess is all part of people rationalizing their moral
> positions based on religion. Keep your religion out of your morality, and
> things become a lot simpler.

The word 'religion' lost its clarity or use a long time ago, I prefer
the term value-system which is a cultural product. If you were raised in
a garbage can then your first value-system is the garbage-can
value-system with which there is nothing wrong until you move to another
place with a different one, or you roll your own. The value-system of
the majority in any unit always makes the code of conduct within that
unit without which there is only chaos. A person's value-system is
his/her 'morality' regardless of whether s/he believes in God or is an
atheist so it has lost its punch as well except in one sense. Maybe
'humanism' still means something and as far as I can tell the loosely
christian (more or less aligned with the teachings of one we have been
told to call Jesus) tradition is the only humanist code in existance
today although I've met atheists who were just as humanists as most
christians.

On 10/25/24 00:37, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 00:05:13 -0400, bad sector wrote:
>
>> On 10/24/24 18:23, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>> Why is Taiwan the world capital for computer hardware? Because the
>>> Government had the foresight to support private investment in hardware
>>> manufacturing back in the 1980s, which didn’t fully pay off for close
>>> to another decade. But when it did pay off, it effectively killed off
>>> most PC hardware manufacturing in the US and elsewhere.
>>
>> That money allowed them to cut prices ...
>
> Where did they get the money from?

To me it doesn't matter because it was over there and not over here. The
responsibility for protecting its own falls on sovereign governments so
when oriental cheap-labour combined with subsidies allowed them to
undercut then western governments should have countered not by
subsidising (you cannot cut out a hole) but by completely interdicting
those imports.

On 2024-10-25, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> What I didn't mention, is we have none of the humans discussed above.
> We have no skilled workers. Once their jobs were offshored, they
> became Uber drivers and UPS delivery people. They're not coming back.
> we don't have enough professors with the right backgrounds, to
> teach a new generation of people. There is a long period
> of rebuilding the industry.

No problem, the politicians have the answer: immigration.
Just bring in lots of skilled immigrants; they'll do everything
you need. You don't have to wait to educate your own people -
indeed, you can cut education funding and keep your natives in
that blessed state of ignorance so important to your power.

> Consider a conversation I had with an HR person once, over a beer.
> we were joking about something, and she tells me "when the resumes
> come in, if a tech worker has been out of work for a year, I just
> throw out their resume". She didn't read the resume, to find out
> what skills she is throwing away. That gives you some idea, of the opinion
> of HR to the state of the tech workers. Even if there were old farts
> sitting around typing posts to USENEt, you would not hire them, because...
> their resume was already thrown in the garbage :-) None of you
> should be particularly surprised by this. Seeing the barrier yet ?
> Seeing how difficult it is to bootstrap anything ? That's why my
> estimate is, it would take twenty years effort to even get close
> to rebuilding an industry. No business man is that patient. Sorry.

It's so sad that HR departments spend so much time and effort
looking for someone with a highly-specific set of skills that
exactly matches their needs, rather than hiring people who can
quickly learn the skills necessary for not only the current
project but also the next one.

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 22:19 this Thursday (GMT):
> On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:48:57 +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> Weak cryptography is easy to fix. The hard part to fix is weak random
>>> numbers.
>>
>> Other way round. A bad RNG can be swapped out for a better one with
>> little or no impact on anything else.
>
> Unfortunately, you can never be sure your RNG is good.

You could always do what random.org does and read background radiation.
Probably.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 18:10:06 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 22:19 this Thursday (GMT):
>> On Thu, 24 Oct 2024 18:48:57 +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>>
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>> Weak cryptography is easy to fix. The hard part to fix is weak random
>>>> numbers.
>>>
>>> Other way round. A bad RNG can be swapped out for a better one with
>>> little or no impact on anything else.
>>
>> Unfortunately, you can never be sure your RNG is good.
>
>
> You could always do what random.org does and read background radiation.
> Probably.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_random_number_generator

Thermal noise is a problem when dealing with weak signals but can be used
in RNG.

On Fri, 10/25/2024 1:32 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

>
> It's so sad that HR departments spend so much time and effort
> looking for someone with a highly-specific set of skills that
> exactly matches their needs, rather than hiring people who can
> quickly learn the skills necessary for not only the current
> project but also the next one.

That is partly to save money. The individuals are supposed
to be instantly productive. They're "interchangeable parts".
One drops dead, use the same precise spec, off you go again.

And you can do that in mature industries.

If you were building an AI team today, I bet you would use a different set of
criteria for that. "Do you have any experiences at all, whatsoever
in AI?" would be the kind of question they would ask. And they
would mop up the candidates who even remotely resembled that role.
There would not be a line on the requisition "Must know Microsoft Office",
which is a popular bit of silliness.

Paul

On 10/25/24 05:43, Joel wrote:
> bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:
>
>>>> Whoever did whatever in South Africa never did, never will, and
>>>> certainly doesn't define what is meant by any term elsewhere and that
>>>> includes 'illegal alien'. Illegal = unauthorised, unlawful; alien =
>>>> foreign, potentially hostile. Nothing complicated really i.e. a squatter
>>> >from elsewhere as would be someone who just waltzes into your
>>>> living-room and pitches tent there uninvited.
>>>
>>> Uh huh. You ever hear of Christopher Columbus?
>>
>> Sure, far too much even; he was a paper christian if at all whom the
>> vatican was about to BBQ so he quickly found himself a sweetheart deal
>> with the spanish queen to get the fuck outta Dodge and just in time.
>>
>>> Was he born in the
>>> Americas? Or did he just declare land to be the property of Spain,
>>> without any rational basis? What the fuck do you think crackers
>>> coming here were, if not "illegal immigrants"?
>>
>> What DECIDED whom the land belonged to was the size of the Spanish navy,
>> also the British, the French, and the German to name the top guns. When
>> did you get off the boat?
>>
>>> Just because the
>>> indigenous people hadn't created a system of government to make a law,
>>> against their arrival? Despite the fact whities massacred indigenous
>>> people, to gain territory here?
>>
>> Laws without power mean didley shit, but who was talking about the USA?
>> What is it with Americans that unless someone specifically says 'this is
>> not about the USA' they always think that everyone on usenet is by
>> default thinking and talking about them? The illegal migrant problem is
>> at crisis levels in Europe for example, far worse than stateside.
>>
>>> Wake the fuck up.
>>
>> Land is like a woman, belongs to the last man standing subject only to
>> her wanting any of him regardless. There is no ancestral 'right' that I
>> know of or would accept.
>
> You're a fucking pig.

Wow, ad-hominem, whadda man! I knew about and admired first nations long
before you got to the point of desperately gasping for a pinhole in your
old man's condom. They did have laws and rules and they certainly did
put up a valiant fight, but they lost. So called ancestral rights cannot
be a basis for the simple reason that records don't go back to Adam and
Eve and when justice is thus structurally impossible but injustice is
virtually guaranteed it's all non-avenue. There has to be negotiation,
war unfortunately being the last and loudest form of which.

On 25/10/2024 22:33, bad sector wrote:
records don't go back to Adam and
> Eve and when justice is thus structurally impossible but injustice is
> virtually guaranteed it's all non-avenue. There has to be negotiation,
> war unfortunately being the last and loudest form of which.
>
>
This is why it is far better to simply kill all the menfolk and use the
women folk for sex slaves.

No one is left to pay reparations to...

--
"Anyone who believes that the laws of physics are mere social
conventions is invited to try transgressing those conventions from the
windows of my apartment. (I live on the twenty-first floor.) "

Alan Sokal

On 10/25/24 17:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 25/10/2024 22:33, bad sector wrote:
> records don't go back to Adam and
>> Eve and when justice is thus structurally impossible but injustice is
>> virtually guaranteed it's all non-avenue. There has to be negotiation,
>> war unfortunately being the last and loudest form of which.
>>
> This is why it is far better to simply kill all the menfolk and use the
> women folk for sex slaves.
>
> No one is left to pay reparations to...

Only one snag, they like hebrews and a few others trace descendence
through the mother. That said, there is much we could/should have
learned from them: "Taking only what you need on your journey, otherwise
leave the land as you had found it". Haitians have clear-cut the
mountains and the rains have washed all the soil off them. No tree will
EVER grow there again.

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 18:10:06 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 22:19 this Thursday (GMT):
>
>> Unfortunately, you can never be sure your RNG is good.
>
> You could always do what random.org does and read background radiation.
> Probably.

You can read anything you like. You can never be sure that the digital
bits your CPU sees bear any relation to the raw random data your sensor
was picking up.

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 01:09:38 -0400, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:

> Um ... even weak crypto takes a lot of CPU time to decode.

A graphic illustration of strong crypto used stupidly:
<https://github.com/corkami/pics/blob/master/binary/CryptoModes.png>.

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 02:25:37 -0400, Paul wrote:

> If I did that today, the teenager watching TikTok vids on his phone
> would look up and say "what is solder?".

*Ahem* ... that particular example could be due to how you were
pronouncing it ...

.... you know, “sole-der” versus “saw-der” ...

> Consider a conversation I had with an HR person once, over a beer.
> we were joking about something, and she tells me "when the resumes come
> in, if a tech worker has been out of work for a year, I just throw out
> their resume". She didn't read the resume, to find out what skills she
> is throwing away. That gives you some idea, of the opinion of HR to the
> state of the tech workers.

HR have long been infamous for howlers like demanding 3 years’ experience
in a technology that only came out the previous year ...

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 17:32:02 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> No problem, the politicians have the answer: immigration.

In countries where the native birth rate is below replacement level, the
choice is either between encouraging immigration, or suffering the greying
of your entire populace.

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 22:13:52 -0000 (UTC)
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> You can read anything you like. You can never be sure that the
> digital bits your CPU sees bear any relation to the raw random data
> your sensor was picking up.

In fact, you can never be truly certain of anything at all! Is all that
we see or seem/but a dream within a dream?

On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 15:39:58 -0700, John Ames wrote:

> In fact, you can never be truly certain of anything at all!

Can you be certain of that?

On 25/10/2024 23:09, bad sector wrote:
> On 10/25/24 17:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 25/10/2024 22:33, bad sector wrote:
>> records don't go back to Adam and
>>> Eve and when justice is thus structurally impossible but injustice is
>>> virtually guaranteed it's all non-avenue. There has to be
>>> negotiation, war unfortunately being the last and loudest form of which.
>>>
>> This is why it is far better to simply kill all the menfolk and use
>> the women folk for sex slaves.
>>
>> No one is left to pay reparations to...
>
> Only one snag, they like hebrews and a few others trace descendence
> through the mother.

A clear case of making the women adopt a culture that doesn't

> That said, there is much we could/should have
> learned from them: "Taking only what you need on your journey, otherwise
> leave the land as you had found it". Haitians have clear-cut the
> mountains and the rains have washed all the soil off them. No tree will
> EVER grow there again.

Well that of course is plan juvenile.
We did that years ago in Britain to build ships with.
The trees however are recovering pretty well

--
"The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll
look exactly the same afterwards."

Billy Connolly

On 25/10/2024 23:39, John Ames wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 22:13:52 -0000 (UTC)
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>> You can read anything you like. You can never be sure that the
>> digital bits your CPU sees bear any relation to the raw random data
>> your sensor was picking up.
>
> In fact, you can never be truly certain of anything at all! Is all that
> we see or seem/but a dream within a dream?
>
Indeed.
Welcome to the problems of metaphysics

--
"The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll
look exactly the same afterwards."

Billy Connolly

On 10/25/24 20:07, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 25/10/2024 23:09, bad sector wrote:
>> On 10/25/24 17:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 25/10/2024 22:33, bad sector wrote:
>>> records don't go back to Adam and
>>>> Eve and when justice is thus structurally impossible but injustice
>>>> is virtually guaranteed it's all non-avenue. There has to be
>>>> negotiation, war unfortunately being the last and loudest form of
>>>> which.
>>>>
>>> This is why it is far better to simply kill all the menfolk and use
>>> the women folk for sex slaves.
>>>
>>> No one is left to pay reparations to...
>>
>> Only one snag, they like hebrews and a few others trace descendence
>> through the mother.
>
> A clear case of making the women adopt a culture that doesn't
>
>> That said, there is much we could/should have learned from them:
>> "Taking only what you need on your journey, otherwise leave the land
>> as you had found it". Haitians have clear-cut the mountains and the
>> rains have washed all the soil off them. No tree will EVER grow there
>> again.
>
> Well that of course is plan juvenile.
> We did that years ago in Britain to build ships with.

Not only in Britain, Quebec was "150 foot tall white pines as far as the
eye could see". Then your navy requisitioned AND harvested them all for
ship masts while no Quebecer had a right to touch them.

> The trees however are recovering pretty well

Trees don't grow on barren rock, reread your sig :-)

--
In 10,000 years we have consumed 3/4 of the trees since coming out of
the last ice age, going from some 30 trillion huge trees to 15 trillion
toothpicks good only to cut 2x4's! This gives some sense of the dioxide
absorbing greenery and capacity-destruction but if we look for the
actual amount of wood and branches then we find 4 and 6 inch trunks
where 4 FOOTERS once were! I suspect that in terms of board-feet or
foliage we have destroyed over 80%. No need to look at Brazil for
examples of the devastation, see here
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/47679859072_c59d2aef84_z.jpg
https://mashable-evaporation-wordpress.s3.amazonaws.com/2015/12/lumber-10.jpg
http://www.ancientforest.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/I00279241-451x600.jpg
http://www.ameriquefrancaise.org/en/article-574/Saving_the_American_White_Pine.html
for an idea of what north american forests were like before our race of
locusts robbed it from the care of first-nations. Harvesting on public
(crown i.e. people's) land should require a % of very large trunk sizes
harvested, thus effectively limiting the cut when those have been
over-rarified. In addition every human being should be charged with the
planting of 1 tree per month throughout his or her life (say 1000 trees
per person), such being the TRUE SCOPE of what we have allowed
bean-counters and money-changers to do to our spaceship home.

On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 01:07:20 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 25/10/2024 23:09, bad sector wrote:
>> On 10/25/24 17:47, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 25/10/2024 22:33, bad sector wrote:
>>> records don't go back to Adam and
>>>> Eve and when justice is thus structurally impossible but injustice is
>>>> virtually guaranteed it's all non-avenue. There has to be
>>>> negotiation, war unfortunately being the last and loudest form of
>>>> which.
>>>>
>>> This is why it is far better to simply kill all the menfolk and use
>>> the women folk for sex slaves.
>>>
>>> No one is left to pay reparations to...
>>
>> Only one snag, they like hebrews and a few others trace descendence
>> through the mother.
>
> A clear case of making the women adopt a culture that doesn't
>
>> That said, there is much we could/should have learned from them:
>> "Taking only what you need on your journey, otherwise leave the land as
>> you had found it". Haitians have clear-cut the mountains and the rains
>> have washed all the soil off them. No tree will EVER grow there again.
>
> Well that of course is plan juvenile.
> We did that years ago in Britain to build ships with.
> The trees however are recovering pretty well

It rains quite often on Britain, doesn't it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaco_Culture_National_Historical_Park#/
media/File:DSC_5948-w.jpg

This is the entire article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaco_Culture_National_Historical_Park

"The cohesive Chacoan system began unravelling around 1140, perhaps
triggered by an extreme fifty-year drought that began in 1130;[28] chronic
climatic instability, including a series of severe droughts, again struck
the region between 1250 and 1450.[29] Poor water management led to arroyo
cutting; deforestation was extensive and economically devastating:[30][31]
[32] timber for construction had to be hauled instead from outlying
mountain ranges such as the Chuska mountains, which are more than 50 miles
(80 km) to the west.[33] Outlying communities began to depopulate and, by
the end of the century, the buildings in the central canyon had been
neatly sealed and abandoned.[citation needed]"

600 years, give or take, and there's not much more than brush. Even in
this area where the average annual total precipitation is 14", there are
many clear cut areas where the new pine growth is chest high. I frequently
hike in an area that burned in 2003 and there is little or no new growth.

In the US west there are many examples of overgrazing in the 19th century
that resulted in sagebrush wastelands.

On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 01:08:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> Welcome to the problems of metaphysics

Next stop: that wonderful fallacy known as “you can’t prove a
negative” ...

On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 02:37:52 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vfhkm0$3i0mb$1@dont-email.me>:

> On Sat, 26 Oct 2024 01:08:05 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> Welcome to the problems of metaphysics
>
> Next stop: that wonderful fallacy known as “you can’t prove a negative”
> ...

Prove it!

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On 2024-10-25, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> There would not be a line on the requisition "Must know Microsoft Office",
> which is a popular bit of silliness.

Then there were the ads in 1997 calling for people with
5 years' experience in Windows 95...

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/ \ if you read it the right way. | effective. -- Kurt Vonnegut