Tyrone wrote:

>The only thing that prevents Linux from becoming useful for mainstream users
>is that the people writing it are not really interested in doing that. Linux
>is written by computer geeks for computer geeks. Thus it appeals to a small
>subset of computer users. Nothing wrong with that. It is what it is.

That's one way to look at it.

Another way is that becoming "mainstream" means giving-up freedom.
For some fraction of the market, that's not an acceptable trade-off.

--
"It's called Distro hell. This choice thing is a joke." - "True
Linux advocate" Hadron Quark

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>Tyrone wrote:
>
>>The only thing that prevents Linux from becoming useful for mainstream users
>>is that the people writing it are not really interested in doing that. Linux
>>is written by computer geeks for computer geeks. Thus it appeals to a small
>>subset of computer users. Nothing wrong with that. It is what it is.
>
>That's one way to look at it.
>
>Another way is that becoming "mainstream" means giving-up freedom.
>For some fraction of the market, that's not an acceptable trade-off.

It's clearly a matter of exposure, if people saw Mint Cinnamon on a
laptop at the store, they'd like it, but it's not really sold that
way, it's something one chooses independent of the purchase, most of
the time. And that is OK, as you allude to, we don't need to have the
stores dictating what to do with the software.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-05-25, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-05-24 8:00 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-05-24, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> As an end-user, it should be the same to me. However, even I think that
>>> x86-64 needs to go. Considering how far they are able to go with ARM in
>>> terms of extending battery life, cutting power consumption and removing
>>> the need for cooling, it only makes sense. It should especially be of
>>> interest to hippies if they are truly concerned about society's general
>>> energy usage.
>>
>> Why not have both? I like choice.
>
> You can have both, but the reality is that x86-64's problems are
> becoming increasingly difficult to circumvent. Moving to ARM has nothing
> but advantages.

I'm guessing problems with games? I don't have any problems with X86-64 on
my computers.

--
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entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-05-25, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-05-24 8:09 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-05-24, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>> Having had a recent Mac for a while, I will be the first to admit that
>>> the experience using their laptop is stellar, and even better if you own
>>> other Apple hardware. It has power, battery life, excellent transitions
>>> from iPhone to Mac and back depending on what it detects you are doing,
>>> and so on. MacOS also doesn't bother you, is relatively stable, it's
>>> quiet, and seems to respect your privacy a lot more than Microsoft does.
>>> If I didn't already have so much invested in the Windows environment, I
>>> would happily transition to the Mac.
>>
>> So you've gotten rid of the Mac now? That was quick.
>
> I kept it for less than a year, but I got rid of it because I'm not good
> at having two of the same thing. I can't have two video game consoles,
> two computers or two cars. Whenever I do, I wholly ignore one in favour
> of the other. As I told my wife, I could never have two women in my life
> either. It's just against my nature.

Interesting (on having only one car, computer, etc.) — having one women
just seems normal to me.

> Its battery life was fantastic as was its resistance to battery wear. It
> was fine for going from class to class to take attendance or to display
> a page from the workbook or whatever. However, playing videos on it
> through a hub often crashed the system (it might have been the fault of
> the Anker hub, a cheap one I got for $40 or so, but I didn't care), and
> that thing couldn't access my movies on Microsoft Films & TV. For me,
> there were nothing but advantages to just use a Windows laptop.

The last I heard you were happy with the Mac — though crashing (for whatever
reason) would be a pain. I haven't flipped on my Mac Mini or MacBook Air in
a couple months. I keep planning to sell the MacBook Air, but keep
procrastinating. By the time I finally get around to it, the second hand
stores probably won't even want to take it anymore. (Maybe I can hold out a
little longer and sell it as an antique.) As for the Mac Mini, I have a
second SSD in it with Linux installed — so that one will stick around for a
while.

>> The integration between smartphones and computers is apparently important to
>> a lot of people. I use my smartphone so rarely that it doesn't really matter
>> to me. I mostly use phones for talking and my flip phone does a great job
>> for that.
>
> Seeing how addicted students in general have become to using cell
> phones, I want to use mine as little as possible. Unfortunately, the
> WiFi in my school is garbage, so I constantly have to use my phone's
> data (which is fine because I get 100GB at full speed and unlimited slow
> speeds). I also love to listen to podcasts, and the phone is great for
> that. My wife also insists on being able to contact me through Telegram,
> so I have no choice but to keep one.

My wife and daughter (and a couple of my sons) live their lives on the
damned smarphones. Maybe I can convince them to install Telegram on them —
currently I'm the only one in the family who uses Telegram (mostly for the
news on the Russia/Ukraine war).

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-05-25 9:37 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-05-25, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-05-24 8:00 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-24, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> As an end-user, it should be the same to me. However, even I think that
>>>> x86-64 needs to go. Considering how far they are able to go with ARM in
>>>> terms of extending battery life, cutting power consumption and removing
>>>> the need for cooling, it only makes sense. It should especially be of
>>>> interest to hippies if they are truly concerned about society's general
>>>> energy usage.
>>>
>>> Why not have both? I like choice.
>>
>> You can have both, but the reality is that x86-64's problems are
>> becoming increasingly difficult to circumvent. Moving to ARM has nothing
>> but advantages.
>
> I'm guessing problems with games? I don't have any problems with X86-64 on
> my computers.

Battery life, power drain, high temperatures, etc..

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 5/25/2024 9:48 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
> On 2024-05-25 9:37 a.m., RonB wrote:

>> I'm guessing problems with games? I don't have any problems with
>> X86-64 on
>> my computers.
>
> Battery life, power drain, high temperatures, etc..

"Intel Core i9-13900K Draws up to 431.7W Power Using Intel’s Official
BIOS Profile"

https://hardwaretimes.com/intel-core-i9-13900k-431w-power-intels-official-bios-profile/

432 watts? Ridiculous.

By comparison, my AMD 5600G chip has a TDP of 65W.

Comparison of CPU power consumption
https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-8500g/13

On 2024-05-25, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-05-25 9:37 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-05-25, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-24 8:00 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-05-24, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> As an end-user, it should be the same to me. However, even I think that
>>>>> x86-64 needs to go. Considering how far they are able to go with ARM in
>>>>> terms of extending battery life, cutting power consumption and removing
>>>>> the need for cooling, it only makes sense. It should especially be of
>>>>> interest to hippies if they are truly concerned about society's general
>>>>> energy usage.
>>>>
>>>> Why not have both? I like choice.
>>>
>>> You can have both, but the reality is that x86-64's problems are
>>> becoming increasingly difficult to circumvent. Moving to ARM has nothing
>>> but advantages.
>>
>> I'm guessing problems with games? I don't have any problems with X86-64 on
>> my computers.
>
> Battery life, power drain, high temperatures, etc..

I purposely use micro computers with low voltage CPUs and memory. Even my
laptops of choice (Ultrabooks) are designed for long battery life and low
power consumption. I do it mostly because I like less heat — I figure a
cooler running computer will last longer. I also like dislike the sound of
high speed fans. (And, for my computer usage, I don't need high specs.)

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

Andrzej Matuch wrote:

>As an end-user, it should be the same to me. However, even I think that
>x86-64 needs to go. Considering how far they are able to go with ARM in
>terms of extending battery life, cutting power consumption and removing
>the need for cooling, it only makes sense. It should especially be of
>interest to hippies if they are truly concerned about society's general
>energy usage.

I think that with x86-64 going to the big.little architecture, it
should remain competitive in the power department. In general use,
the efficient cores will doing almost all the work.

--
'[Realizing that Linux is not the best choice for every home user] is
what I think and I am deemed "anti-Linux" because of it... by you and
your herd of false "advocates".' - some thing, lying shamelessly
(but no one can quote it lying)

On Sat, 25 May 2024 07:30:28 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> Another way is that becoming "mainstream" means giving-up freedom. For
> some fraction of the market, that's not an acceptable trade-off.

When drinking from the river always stay upstream from the herd.

On Sat, 25 May 2024 07:34:34 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> I kept it for less than a year, but I got rid of it because I'm not good
> at having two of the same thing. I can't have two video game consoles,
> two computers or two cars. Whenever I do, I wholly ignore one in favour
> of the other. As I told my wife, I could never have two women in my life
> either. It's just against my nature.

I guess it depends on how big a net you use for 'same thing'. While I like
the Triumph Bonneville when you get down to performance, seating position,
and so forth it is very similar to my Sportster. However it isn't the same
thing as the DR650 sitting next to it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_DR650

or the V-Strom on the ohter side.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_V-Strom_650

I've got similar redundancy in computers, firearms, and musical
instruments. A six string acoustic is not the same as a 12 string or a Les
Paul electric.

On 2024-05-25 9:48 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-05-25, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-05-24 8:09 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-24, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Having had a recent Mac for a while, I will be the first to admit that
>>>> the experience using their laptop is stellar, and even better if you own
>>>> other Apple hardware. It has power, battery life, excellent transitions
>>>> from iPhone to Mac and back depending on what it detects you are doing,
>>>> and so on. MacOS also doesn't bother you, is relatively stable, it's
>>>> quiet, and seems to respect your privacy a lot more than Microsoft does.
>>>> If I didn't already have so much invested in the Windows environment, I
>>>> would happily transition to the Mac.
>>>
>>> So you've gotten rid of the Mac now? That was quick.
>>
>> I kept it for less than a year, but I got rid of it because I'm not good
>> at having two of the same thing. I can't have two video game consoles,
>> two computers or two cars. Whenever I do, I wholly ignore one in favour
>> of the other. As I told my wife, I could never have two women in my life
>> either. It's just against my nature.
>
> Interesting (on having only one car, computer, etc.) — having one women
> just seems normal to me.

It is, but we've also become a society where having a relationship with
just one person is becoming abnormal. Marriages no longer seem to mean
anything, and leftist women are content to never have a husband or kids.
They have embraced loneliness and misery.

>> Its battery life was fantastic as was its resistance to battery wear. It
>> was fine for going from class to class to take attendance or to display
>> a page from the workbook or whatever. However, playing videos on it
>> through a hub often crashed the system (it might have been the fault of
>> the Anker hub, a cheap one I got for $40 or so, but I didn't care), and
>> that thing couldn't access my movies on Microsoft Films & TV. For me,
>> there were nothing but advantages to just use a Windows laptop.
>
> The last I heard you were happy with the Mac — though crashing (for whatever
> reason) would be a pain. I haven't flipped on my Mac Mini or MacBook Air in
> a couple months. I keep planning to sell the MacBook Air, but keep
> procrastinating. By the time I finally get around to it, the second hand
> stores probably won't even want to take it anymore. (Maybe I can hold out a
> little longer and sell it as an antique.) As for the Mac Mini, I have a
> second SSD in it with Linux installed — so that one will stick around for a
> while.

Had I known how annoying it was going to be to sell on Ebay, and how
much I would have to sacrifice of the price in fees, I might have just
kept it. The cut eBay takes is a crime.

>>> The integration between smartphones and computers is apparently important to
>>> a lot of people. I use my smartphone so rarely that it doesn't really matter
>>> to me. I mostly use phones for talking and my flip phone does a great job
>>> for that.
>>
>> Seeing how addicted students in general have become to using cell
>> phones, I want to use mine as little as possible. Unfortunately, the
>> WiFi in my school is garbage, so I constantly have to use my phone's
>> data (which is fine because I get 100GB at full speed and unlimited slow
>> speeds). I also love to listen to podcasts, and the phone is great for
>> that. My wife also insists on being able to contact me through Telegram,
>> so I have no choice but to keep one.
>
> My wife and daughter (and a couple of my sons) live their lives on the
> damned smarphones. Maybe I can convince them to install Telegram on them —
> currently I'm the only one in the family who uses Telegram (mostly for the
> news on the Russia/Ukraine war).

At work, I've become so annoying with telling the kids to put their
phones in their pockets that they do so at the sight of me. Some kids
actually asked me what I have against them. First, they're not supposed
to be using them in the hallways or certain rooms; there are designated
locations for their drug. However, the real reason is become the kids
have become shockingly uninteresting as a result of social media, and
they are in worse physical shape than a man three times their age (me).
I keep telling them that my confiscating that crap would be doing them a
favour.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-05-25 10:28 a.m., DFS wrote:
> On 5/25/2024 9:48 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>> On 2024-05-25 9:37 a.m., RonB wrote:
>
>>> I'm guessing problems with games? I don't have any problems with
>>> X86-64 on
>>> my computers.
>>
>> Battery life, power drain, high temperatures, etc..
>
>
>
> "Intel Core i9-13900K Draws up to 431.7W Power Using Intel’s Official
> BIOS Profile"
>
> https://hardwaretimes.com/intel-core-i9-13900k-431w-power-intels-official-bios-profile/
>
> 432 watts?  Ridiculous.
>
>
>
> By comparison, my AMD 5600G chip has a TDP of 65W.
>
>
> Comparison of CPU power consumption
> https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-8500g/13

As far as I know, the 5900HS in this laptop doesn't take any more than
that either. Clearly, it's way too high, especially when the M#
processors outperform everything Intel makes and draw about 10% of the
power.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-05-25 10:29 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-05-25, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-05-25 9:37 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-25, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-05-24 8:00 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-05-24, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As an end-user, it should be the same to me. However, even I think that
>>>>>> x86-64 needs to go. Considering how far they are able to go with ARM in
>>>>>> terms of extending battery life, cutting power consumption and removing
>>>>>> the need for cooling, it only makes sense. It should especially be of
>>>>>> interest to hippies if they are truly concerned about society's general
>>>>>> energy usage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not have both? I like choice.
>>>>
>>>> You can have both, but the reality is that x86-64's problems are
>>>> becoming increasingly difficult to circumvent. Moving to ARM has nothing
>>>> but advantages.
>>>
>>> I'm guessing problems with games? I don't have any problems with X86-64 on
>>> my computers.
>>
>> Battery life, power drain, high temperatures, etc..
>
> I purposely use micro computers with low voltage CPUs and memory. Even my
> laptops of choice (Ultrabooks) are designed for long battery life and low
> power consumption. I do it mostly because I like less heat — I figure a
> cooler running computer will last longer. I also like dislike the sound of
> high speed fans. (And, for my computer usage, I don't need high specs.)

When I don't game, I want the same thing out of my computer. If the
battery life is in the ten-hour range, I'm rather happy.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On 2024-05-25 1:58 p.m., chrisv wrote:
> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> As an end-user, it should be the same to me. However, even I think that
>> x86-64 needs to go. Considering how far they are able to go with ARM in
>> terms of extending battery life, cutting power consumption and removing
>> the need for cooling, it only makes sense. It should especially be of
>> interest to hippies if they are truly concerned about society's general
>> energy usage.
>
> I think that with x86-64 going to the big.little architecture, it
> should remain competitive in the power department. In general use,
> the efficient cores will doing almost all the work.

The x86-64 architecture isn't going anywhere because Intel and AMD have
invested too heavily into it. Its demise will come when people stop
considering chips by those two companies. That will only happen when the
disadvantages of using processors by either corporation become too
obvious to ignore.

--
Andrzej (Andre) Matuch
TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>>
>> I think that with x86-64 going to the big.little architecture, it
>> should remain competitive in the power department. In general use,
>> the efficient cores will doing almost all the work.
>
>The x86-64 architecture isn't going anywhere because Intel and AMD have
>invested too heavily into it. Its demise will come when people stop
>considering chips by those two companies. That will only happen when the
>disadvantages of using processors by either corporation become too
>obvious to ignore.

Indeed, just by brute force and economies of scale, it's not going
away soon.

--
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quoted what I really said. Nice of him, to document his own *lie*.

On 2024-05-25, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-05-25 10:29 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>
>> I purposely use micro computers with low voltage CPUs and memory. Even my
>> laptops of choice (Ultrabooks) are designed for long battery life and low
>> power consumption. I do it mostly because I like less heat — I figure a
>> cooler running computer will last longer. I also like dislike the sound of
>> high speed fans. (And, for my computer usage, I don't need high specs.)
>
> When I don't game, I want the same thing out of my computer. If the
> battery life is in the ten-hour range, I'm rather happy.

The UltraBook (Latitude E7450) gets about 7 to 8 hours of battery life. Which
is pretty good for a nine or ten year old computer.

--
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entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-05-25, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-05-25 1:58 p.m., chrisv wrote:
>> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>
>>> As an end-user, it should be the same to me. However, even I think that
>>> x86-64 needs to go. Considering how far they are able to go with ARM in
>>> terms of extending battery life, cutting power consumption and removing
>>> the need for cooling, it only makes sense. It should especially be of
>>> interest to hippies if they are truly concerned about society's general
>>> energy usage.
>>
>> I think that with x86-64 going to the big.little architecture, it
>> should remain competitive in the power department. In general use,
>> the efficient cores will doing almost all the work.
>
> The x86-64 architecture isn't going anywhere because Intel and AMD have
> invested too heavily into it. Its demise will come when people stop
> considering chips by those two companies. That will only happen when the
> disadvantages of using processors by either corporation become too
> obvious to ignore.

According to links rbowman posted, Intel will be producing ARM chips and, I
think, AMD has worked out some kind of deal with nVidia to produce ARM
chips.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-05-25, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-05-25 9:48 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-05-25, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-24 8:09 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-05-24, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Having had a recent Mac for a while, I will be the first to admit that
>>>>> the experience using their laptop is stellar, and even better if you own
>>>>> other Apple hardware. It has power, battery life, excellent transitions
>>>>> from iPhone to Mac and back depending on what it detects you are doing,
>>>>> and so on. MacOS also doesn't bother you, is relatively stable, it's
>>>>> quiet, and seems to respect your privacy a lot more than Microsoft does.
>>>>> If I didn't already have so much invested in the Windows environment, I
>>>>> would happily transition to the Mac.
>>>>
>>>> So you've gotten rid of the Mac now? That was quick.
>>>
>>> I kept it for less than a year, but I got rid of it because I'm not good
>>> at having two of the same thing. I can't have two video game consoles,
>>> two computers or two cars. Whenever I do, I wholly ignore one in favour
>>> of the other. As I told my wife, I could never have two women in my life
>>> either. It's just against my nature.
>>
>> Interesting (on having only one car, computer, etc.) — having one women
>> just seems normal to me.
>
> It is, but we've also become a society where having a relationship with
> just one person is becoming abnormal. Marriages no longer seem to mean
> anything, and leftist women are content to never have a husband or kids.
> They have embraced loneliness and misery.

I know. I guess I'm old fashioned.

>>> Its battery life was fantastic as was its resistance to battery wear. It
>>> was fine for going from class to class to take attendance or to display
>>> a page from the workbook or whatever. However, playing videos on it
>>> through a hub often crashed the system (it might have been the fault of
>>> the Anker hub, a cheap one I got for $40 or so, but I didn't care), and
>>> that thing couldn't access my movies on Microsoft Films & TV. For me,
>>> there were nothing but advantages to just use a Windows laptop.
>>
>> The last I heard you were happy with the Mac — though crashing (for whatever
>> reason) would be a pain. I haven't flipped on my Mac Mini or MacBook Air in
>> a couple months. I keep planning to sell the MacBook Air, but keep
>> procrastinating. By the time I finally get around to it, the second hand
>> stores probably won't even want to take it anymore. (Maybe I can hold out a
>> little longer and sell it as an antique.) As for the Mac Mini, I have a
>> second SSD in it with Linux installed — so that one will stick around for a
>> while.
>
> Had I known how annoying it was going to be to sell on Ebay, and how
> much I would have to sacrifice of the price in fees, I might have just
> kept it. The cut eBay takes is a crime.

I haven't sold anything on eBay for a while now. They've got everything
against the small seller.

>>>> The integration between smartphones and computers is apparently important to
>>>> a lot of people. I use my smartphone so rarely that it doesn't really matter
>>>> to me. I mostly use phones for talking and my flip phone does a great job
>>>> for that.
>>>
>>> Seeing how addicted students in general have become to using cell
>>> phones, I want to use mine as little as possible. Unfortunately, the
>>> WiFi in my school is garbage, so I constantly have to use my phone's
>>> data (which is fine because I get 100GB at full speed and unlimited slow
>>> speeds). I also love to listen to podcasts, and the phone is great for
>>> that. My wife also insists on being able to contact me through Telegram,
>>> so I have no choice but to keep one.
>>
>> My wife and daughter (and a couple of my sons) live their lives on the
>> damned smarphones. Maybe I can convince them to install Telegram on them —
>> currently I'm the only one in the family who uses Telegram (mostly for the
>> news on the Russia/Ukraine war).
>
> At work, I've become so annoying with telling the kids to put their
> phones in their pockets that they do so at the sight of me. Some kids
> actually asked me what I have against them. First, they're not supposed
> to be using them in the hallways or certain rooms; there are designated
> locations for their drug. However, the real reason is become the kids
> have become shockingly uninteresting as a result of social media, and
> they are in worse physical shape than a man three times their age (me).
> I keep telling them that my confiscating that crap would be doing them a
> favour.

I think kids are so used to not listening to anyone (including their
parents) that they become genuinely shocked when someone actually forces
them to do what they're told or obey the rules.

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Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-05-25 10:29 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-05-25, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-25 9:37 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-05-25, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-05-24 8:00 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-05-24, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As an end-user, it should be the same to me. However, even I think that
>>>>>>> x86-64 needs to go. Considering how far they are able to go with ARM in
>>>>>>> terms of extending battery life, cutting power consumption and removing
>>>>>>> the need for cooling, it only makes sense. It should especially be of
>>>>>>> interest to hippies if they are truly concerned about society's general
>>>>>>> energy usage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not have both? I like choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can have both, but the reality is that x86-64's problems are
>>>>> becoming increasingly difficult to circumvent. Moving to ARM has nothing
>>>>> but advantages.
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing problems with games? I don't have any problems with X86-64 on
>>>> my computers.
>>>
>>> Battery life, power drain, high temperatures, etc..
>>
>> I purposely use micro computers with low voltage CPUs and memory. Even my
>> laptops of choice (Ultrabooks) are designed for long battery life and low
>> power consumption. I do it mostly because I like less heat — I figure a
>> cooler running computer will last longer. I also like dislike the sound of
>> high speed fans. (And, for my computer usage, I don't need high specs.)
>
> When I don't game, I want the same thing out of my computer. If the
> battery life is in the ten-hour range, I'm rather happy.

When fully charged, Conky's power meter claims I'll get 13 hours on my Lenovo
Flex.

That, of course, is radically reduced when I type

$ make -j 8

on my fairly big autotools-built project. Just one reason I'm using Meson to
build new projects.

By the way, I've decided to use urxvt over xfce4-terminal for awhile.

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On 2024-05-26 8:08 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-05-25, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-05-25 10:29 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>
>>> I purposely use micro computers with low voltage CPUs and memory. Even my
>>> laptops of choice (Ultrabooks) are designed for long battery life and low
>>> power consumption. I do it mostly because I like less heat — I figure a
>>> cooler running computer will last longer. I also like dislike the sound of
>>> high speed fans. (And, for my computer usage, I don't need high specs.)
>>
>> When I don't game, I want the same thing out of my computer. If the
>> battery life is in the ten-hour range, I'm rather happy.
>
> The UltraBook (Latitude E7450) gets about 7 to 8 hours of battery life. Which
> is pretty good for a nine or ten year old computer.

It gets 7 or 8 hours and you didn't change the battery?

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On 2024-05-26 8:11 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-05-25, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>> On 2024-05-25 1:58 p.m., chrisv wrote:
>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>> As an end-user, it should be the same to me. However, even I think that
>>>> x86-64 needs to go. Considering how far they are able to go with ARM in
>>>> terms of extending battery life, cutting power consumption and removing
>>>> the need for cooling, it only makes sense. It should especially be of
>>>> interest to hippies if they are truly concerned about society's general
>>>> energy usage.
>>>
>>> I think that with x86-64 going to the big.little architecture, it
>>> should remain competitive in the power department. In general use,
>>> the efficient cores will doing almost all the work.
>>
>> The x86-64 architecture isn't going anywhere because Intel and AMD have
>> invested too heavily into it. Its demise will come when people stop
>> considering chips by those two companies. That will only happen when the
>> disadvantages of using processors by either corporation become too
>> obvious to ignore.
>
> According to links rbowman posted, Intel will be producing ARM chips and, I
> think, AMD has worked out some kind of deal with nVidia to produce ARM
> chips.

They will produce them, but I doubt that they will focus entirely on
that. Like I said, they've already invested so much into producing the
x86-64 chips that even if they were to decide to focus on ARM
development, they wouldn't just abandon it. I see no long-term future
for x86-64 myself, mostly because it truly can't compete with something
that doesn't have all of the archaic code bogging it down. However, a
lot of companies probably need a chip which will run their ancient
software. Unless the emulation offered on ARM is stellar - and I'm sure
it will be - people will want the older architecture.

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On 2024-05-26 8:16 a.m., RonB wrote:

>> Had I known how annoying it was going to be to sell on Ebay, and how
>> much I would have to sacrifice of the price in fees, I might have just
>> kept it. The cut eBay takes is a crime.
>
> I haven't sold anything on eBay for a while now. They've got everything
> against the small seller.

It's precisely that. You'll put your item up for sale or a price, do
your best to be as accurate as possible, but you're at the mercy of the
buyer who will claim that there's a scratch, dent or whatever which
wasn't mentioned in the original ad. At best, they'll want a small
refund. At worst, they'll demand a complete refund but never send your
item back. People really have to be careful not to refund until they've
received their item back because people are definitely gaming the
system. In fact, that's what happened with this buyer whose behaviour
was sketchy from the beginning. He claimed there was a dent, wanted a
complete refund, didn't get his money back immediately because I
researched him and found out that he once never returned a laptop and
some music device, so he settled for a small rebate because he realized
that I wasn't going to allow him to have the machine for free.

>> At work, I've become so annoying with telling the kids to put their
>> phones in their pockets that they do so at the sight of me. Some kids
>> actually asked me what I have against them. First, they're not supposed
>> to be using them in the hallways or certain rooms; there are designated
>> locations for their drug. However, the real reason is become the kids
>> have become shockingly uninteresting as a result of social media, and
>> they are in worse physical shape than a man three times their age (me).
>> I keep telling them that my confiscating that crap would be doing them a
>> favour.
>
> I think kids are so used to not listening to anyone (including their
> parents) that they become genuinely shocked when someone actually forces
> them to do what they're told or obey the rules.

Yep, and they're not used to the fact that some teachers (me) don't mind
confronting them about their idiotic behaviour. Many of my co-workers
not only never show up for their monitoring duty (and I assume they
never get penalized either), but they do a half-assed job if they do.
They apply none of the rules, don't move from their initial position
(guaranteeing that someone will do something idiotic), and turn a blind
eye to kids using their phones right in front of them because they don't
want to be the bad guy. When the kids see that I am in their face and
that I don't care that they feel disrespected by my approach, they are
genuinely shocked.

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TG: @AndrzejMatuch
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king.

On Sun, 26 May 2024 08:44:38 -0400, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> They will produce them, but I doubt that they will focus entirely on
> that. Like I said, they've already invested so much into producing the
> x86-64 chips that even if they were to decide to focus on ARM
> development, they wouldn't just abandon it. I see no long-term future
> for x86-64 myself, mostly because it truly can't compete with something
> that doesn't have all of the archaic code bogging it down. However, a
> lot of companies probably need a chip which will run their ancient
> software. Unless the emulation offered on ARM is stellar - and I'm sure
> it will be - people will want the older architecture.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/04/after-48-years-zilog-is-killing-
the-classic-standalone-z80-microprocessor-chip/

Some things die eventually...

On 2024-05-26, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-05-26 8:08 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-05-25, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-25 10:29 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I purposely use micro computers with low voltage CPUs and memory. Even my
>>>> laptops of choice (Ultrabooks) are designed for long battery life and low
>>>> power consumption. I do it mostly because I like less heat — I figure a
>>>> cooler running computer will last longer. I also like dislike the sound of
>>>> high speed fans. (And, for my computer usage, I don't need high specs.)
>>>
>>> When I don't game, I want the same thing out of my computer. If the
>>> battery life is in the ten-hour range, I'm rather happy.
>>
>> The UltraBook (Latitude E7450) gets about 7 to 8 hours of battery life. Which
>> is pretty good for a nine or ten year old computer.
>
> It gets 7 or 8 hours and you didn't change the battery?

I bought a new OEM battery for it on eBay for about $30. The E7450 has an
external battery, like an older style laptop.

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[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-05-26, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On 2024-05-26 8:11 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-05-25, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2024-05-25 1:58 p.m., chrisv wrote:
>>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As an end-user, it should be the same to me. However, even I think that
>>>>> x86-64 needs to go. Considering how far they are able to go with ARM in
>>>>> terms of extending battery life, cutting power consumption and removing
>>>>> the need for cooling, it only makes sense. It should especially be of
>>>>> interest to hippies if they are truly concerned about society's general
>>>>> energy usage.
>>>>
>>>> I think that with x86-64 going to the big.little architecture, it
>>>> should remain competitive in the power department. In general use,
>>>> the efficient cores will doing almost all the work.
>>>
>>> The x86-64 architecture isn't going anywhere because Intel and AMD have
>>> invested too heavily into it. Its demise will come when people stop
>>> considering chips by those two companies. That will only happen when the
>>> disadvantages of using processors by either corporation become too
>>> obvious to ignore.
>>
>> According to links rbowman posted, Intel will be producing ARM chips and, I
>> think, AMD has worked out some kind of deal with nVidia to produce ARM
>> chips.
>
> They will produce them, but I doubt that they will focus entirely on
> that. Like I said, they've already invested so much into producing the
> x86-64 chips that even if they were to decide to focus on ARM
> development, they wouldn't just abandon it. I see no long-term future
> for x86-64 myself, mostly because it truly can't compete with something
> that doesn't have all of the archaic code bogging it down. However, a
> lot of companies probably need a chip which will run their ancient
> software. Unless the emulation offered on ARM is stellar - and I'm sure
> it will be - people will want the older architecture.

I agree they'll produce both. "Ancient software" — until now? You know me,
I'll take "trailing edge" over "cutting edge" just about any time. What I've
got works.

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[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine