In article <6716c302$1$3620719$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Oct 21, 2024 at 12:16:55 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> <6716a8a9$1$2873017$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
> >>>>> In short: you run. Like a coward. You cannot defend Trump... it is his white
> >>>>> supremacy push you like.
> >>>>
> >>>> Unlike you I don't let shit like that run my thinking. You do.
> >>>
> >>> Meanwhile Trump has done more for the blacks during his 4 years
> >>> as POTUS while the democrats have been mostly lip service.
> >>
> >> His support for white supremacy is not helping.
> >
> > Show us how he supports that.
>
> You have recently said you pay attention. Thanks for admitting you do not.

I answered you didn't I?
>
> Just some things you can look up:
>
> Charlottesville where he said there were fine people on both sides, one side
> being white supremacists. The "defense" of this was he meant a more broad
> group of people denouncing blacks and not just the direct white supremacists.
>
> In a debate where he asked the white supremacist group "Proud Boy" to "stand
> by".
>
> Trump repeatedly was asked about such groups and refused to denounce them
> (though later did, under pressure).
>
> Earned the support of David Duke and never denounced it.
>
> Pushed openly racist immigration policies.
>
> Ended diversity training.
>
> Repeated use of bigoted language such as "China virus" and "Kung Flu"
>
> Spoke of protecting "suburban housewives", a clear dog whistle.
>
> On and on and on.

Old news. Why were they booing her at her rally?

On 21 Oct 2024 01:05:39 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 20, 2024 at 5:17:41?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
><d65bhjpm6220b9joe669sugmv9bt0utpdh@4ax.com>:
>
>> On 20 Oct 2024 03:31:33 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 7:35:57?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>>>> On 19 Oct 2024 18:01:32 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 8:18:36?AM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2024 21:46:15 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> I wish we had something closer to equal representation. With the Senate and
>>>>>>> the Electoral College we are FAR from that. Even the House is pretty far from
>>>>>>> it. I think the US would be MUCH better off if we had one adult citizen = one
>>>>>>> vote, and each vote counted the same.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pure democracy? That would be untenable in a nation of more than 300,000,000
>>>>>> citizens.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, we would still have representatives... but something closer to equal
>>>>> representation. Not the nonsense now where some people have 20x the
>>>>> representational power of others.
>>>>
>>>> Where does that occur?
>>>
>>> Wyoming vs. California. Doing some research now.
>>>
>>> That was what I was thinking for the Senate... but it is MUCH worse than that
>>> there.
>>>
>>> In the Senate:
>>>
>>> Wyoming: 1 senator represents about 290,000 people.
>>> California: 1 senator represents about 20 million people.
>>>
>>> That means about a 1:69 representational inequality.
>>>
>>> In the House:
>>>
>>> Wyoming: 1 representative for ~580,000 people
>>> California: 1 representative for every ~770,000 people
>>
>> Then the solution is to send 200,000 Californians to Wyoming?
>
>A friend of mine has said he wants to see state lines redrawn every 10 years
>to keep roughly the same level of population in each state. Not sure I like
>your idea any better than his. LOL!
>>
>>> That means even in the house a about a 1:1.3 representational inequality.
>>>
>>> Wyoming has 3 electoral votes for about 580,000 people, or ~193,000 people per
>>> electoral vote.
>>> California has 55 electoral votes for nearly 40 million people, or ~727,000
>>> people per electoral vote.
>>>
>>> This means a 1:3.8 representational inequality
>>
>> I agree that in modern times the EC is not a good idea. However, the
>> representational issues you note are due to the fact that every state gets two
>> senators regardless of population.
>
>Right. But that leads to GROSSLY disproportionate representation, 5x worse
>than what we had at the start of the country.

You're wrong here.

Every state has always had two Senators.

This is why we have two legislative Houses. The House is the house of the
people (representation by population), the Senate is the house of the states
(each state gets an equal voice).

I have no problem with that system. I have no problem with the EC, as such. The
problem I have is with the winner take all system most states employ. Imo,
electors should be apportioned according to the distribution of votes among the
candidates. If Joe Schmo gets 60% of the votes, he should get 60% of the
electors, not all of them.
>>> And yet California citizens give, on average, about $5000 a year to the US
>>> government, and each Wyoming citizen GETS a bit under $7000.
>>>
>>> Those who have the least representation are giving the most. Those with the
>>> most representation are getting massive support from the Federal government.
>>
>> These things are all arguable.
>>
>> It would require a fundamental rewriting of the Constitution to change this.
>
>Right. I do not expect it to change. It is, though, key to many of the issues
>we have in this country, IMNSHO.

It does prevent the majority from riding roughshod over the minority, but it
also sometimes allows the minority to dictate to the majority.

>> Do
>> you really think that in such a divisive, highly partisan political environment
>> as we have today, that such a rewrite would be a good idea?
>
>Good idea or not, it would never pass.
>>
>> The problem is that, like most foreigners, you do not understand the "United
>> STATES of America". The US is not as singular a country as most, but is in
>> fact, an assemblage of separate countries, aka 'states'.
>>
>> The House represents the population of the US, the Senate represents the States
>> of the US.
>>
>> The population votes and each state votes.
>
>And this leads to many issues.
>>
>> It is the states, not the population, who ultimately select the POTUS.
>>
>> I find that a better solution than Britain's of allowing the Parliament
>> (Congress) to select the Prime Minister (POTUS) any time the PM (POTUS) no
>> longer has the support of a majority of the members of Parliament (Congress).
>
>I *wish* we had something closer to equal representation but I know we are not
>going to get it. Might lead to the downfall of the country.

Representation in Congress works fine. It's the two party system that's
bleeding us dry.

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Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 16 days.

55) Trump vowed to protect American jobs, but offshoring
increased, and manufacturing fell.

56) Trump said he would fix America's infrastructure but it
never happened. He announced so many failed "infrastructure weeks",
they became a running joke! White House reporter,
"Since it’s infrastructure week..." (Laughter is the press room)
(To Sarah Huckabee) "*Is* it infrastructure week?"

On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 01:17:33 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>Another one of those convienient friends that kind of come and go snit?
>Whatever happened to Jeremy the computer expert at Walmart?
>Larry Washington?
>The people in the canoe whose lives you saved because you had extra life vests?
>For someone who claims to be mostly home bound, you sure do get around.
>
>You are so FOS it's leaking down your legs and anyone who believes a word you spew is a total idiot.
>Just like you.

Why, Snit! I do believe you struck a nerve!

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Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 16 days.

55) Trump vowed to protect American jobs, but offshoring
increased, and manufacturing fell.

56) Trump said he would fix America's infrastructure but it
never happened. He announced so many failed "infrastructure weeks",
they became a running joke! White House reporter,
"Since it’s infrastructure week..." (Laughter is the press room)
(To Sarah Huckabee) "*Is* it infrastructure week?"

On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 07:33:43 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

>Only your side brings up race.

<laughs and points>

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Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 16 days.

55) Trump vowed to protect American jobs, but offshoring
increased, and manufacturing fell.

56) Trump said he would fix America's infrastructure but it
never happened. He announced so many failed "infrastructure weeks",
they became a running joke! White House reporter,
"Since it’s infrastructure week..." (Laughter is the press room)
(To Sarah Huckabee) "*Is* it infrastructure week?"

On 21 Oct 2024 13:50:11 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 21, 2024 at 5:09:43?AM MST, "-hh" wrote <vf5ga7$ufks$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 10/20/24 8:31 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 09:36:11 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Damn you're dumb. Do you think your little bubble is the whole country?
>>>
>>> Do you think yours is?
>>
>> From: <https://x.com/PamKeithFL/status/1848126596663898590>
>>
>> [quote]
>>
>> I am learning while I knock doors that when people tell me they are
>> voting for Trump because of the economy, they are really telling me they
>> are voting for Trump because of white supremacy.
>
>Pretty much.

+1

>> I reach that conclusion because one follow up questions leaves them stumped:
>>
>> “What Trump policy has actually helped you or your family?”
>>
>> When I ask that question I get blank stares, “that’s a good question”
>> responses. “I don’t know, I just think the economy was better.”
>>
>> All of it is bullshit. All of it. They are voting for white supremacy.
>> Period.
>
>I would also say some vote for Trump because those around them do and they do
>not really look much into politics. Or they buy into the propaganda from Fox
>and the like.

Peer pressure.

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Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 16 days.

55) Trump vowed to protect American jobs, but offshoring
increased, and manufacturing fell.

56) Trump said he would fix America's infrastructure but it
never happened. He announced so many failed "infrastructure weeks",
they became a running joke! White House reporter,
"Since it’s infrastructure week..." (Laughter is the press room)
(To Sarah Huckabee) "*Is* it infrastructure week?"

On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 09:12:20 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

>In article <67166ea9$0$3830$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2024 at 7:09:46 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>> <671660ac$0$2385536$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>
>> > In article <67165c13$0$2757$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>> > brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>> >>
>> >> On Oct 21, 2024 at 5:09:43 AM MST, "-hh" wrote <vf5ga7$ufks$1@dont-email.me>:
>> >>
>> >>> On 10/20/24 8:31 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> >>>> On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 09:36:11 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Damn you're dumb. Do you think your little bubble is the whole country?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Do you think yours is?
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> From: <https://x.com/PamKeithFL/status/1848126596663898590>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> [quote]
>> >>>
>> >>> I am learning while I knock doors that when people tell me they are
>> >>> voting for Trump because of the economy, they are really telling me they
>> >>> are voting for Trump because of white supremacy.
>> >>
>> >> Pretty much.
>> >>>
>> >>> I reach that conclusion because one follow up questions leaves them stumped:
>> >>>
>> >>> ?What Trump policy has actually helped you or your family??
>> >>>
>> >>> When I ask that question I get blank stares, ?that?s a good question?
>> >>> responses. ?I don?t know, I just think the economy was better.?
>> >>>
>> >>> All of it is bullshit. All of it. They are voting for white supremacy.
>> >>> Period.
>> >>
>> >> I would also say some vote for Trump because those around them do and they do
>> >> not really look much into politics. Or they buy into the propaganda from Fox
>> >> and the like.
>> >>
>> >
>> > No idiot. We live here. We see what's going on.
>>
>> OK, go on. Give clear policies of Trump you think are good and explain why
>> this overrides his push for division and violence. Before you deny he does
>> that, here are some examples:
>>
>> 1. Charlottesville, 2017: After the white supremacist rally in
>> Charlottesville, Virginia, where one person was killed, Trump stated there
>> were ?very fine people on both sides.? This was widely seen as equivocating
>> between white nationalists and those protesting against them .
>> 2. Encouraging violence at rallies: During his 2016 presidential
>> campaign, Trump made several comments at rallies that seemed to endorse
>> violence. For instance, he suggested to his supporters they should ?knock the
>> crap out of? protesters and offered to pay their legal fees .
>> 3. Calling for ?liberation? of states during COVID-19 lockdowns: In
>> 2020, Trump tweeted to ?LIBERATE? states like Michigan and Virginia, where
>> protesters, some armed, opposed COVID-19 lockdown measures. Many saw this as a
>> call to arms that fueled confrontations between protesters and law enforcement
>> .
>> 4. January 6 Capitol Riot, 2021: Trump was impeached for ?incitement of
>> insurrection? following the attack on the U.S. Capitol by his supporters. In a
>> speech just before the riot, Trump urged his followers to ?fight like hell?
>> and march to the Capitol. Critics argue this speech directly contributed to
>> the violence that ensued .
>
>I wont read your bullshit.

Run, little girl! RUN!

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Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 16 days.

55) Trump vowed to protect American jobs, but offshoring
increased, and manufacturing fell.

56) Trump said he would fix America's infrastructure but it
never happened. He announced so many failed "infrastructure weeks",
they became a running joke! White House reporter,
"Since it’s infrastructure week..." (Laughter is the press room)
(To Sarah Huckabee) "*Is* it infrastructure week?"

On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 09:39:18 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

>In article <671670a3$1$1895509$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2024 at 8:12:20 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>> <67166f18$0$1428124$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>
>> > In article <67166ea9$0$3830$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>> > brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>> >>
>> >> On Oct 21, 2024 at 7:09:46 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>> >> <671660ac$0$2385536$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>> >>
>> >>> In article <67165c13$0$2757$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>> >>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Oct 21, 2024 at 5:09:43 AM MST, "-hh" wrote <vf5ga7$ufks$1@dont-email.me>:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On 10/20/24 8:31 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> >>>>>> On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 09:36:11 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Damn you're dumb. Do you think your little bubble is the whole country?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Do you think yours is?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> From: <https://x.com/PamKeithFL/status/1848126596663898590>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> [quote]
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I am learning while I knock doors that when people tell me they are
>> >>>>> voting for Trump because of the economy, they are really telling me they
>> >>>>> are voting for Trump because of white supremacy.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Pretty much.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I reach that conclusion because one follow up questions leaves them stumped:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ?What Trump policy has actually helped you or your family??
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> When I ask that question I get blank stares, ?that?s a good question?
>> >>>>> responses. ?I don?t know, I just think the economy was better.?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> All of it is bullshit. All of it. They are voting for white supremacy.
>> >>>>> Period.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I would also say some vote for Trump because those around them do and they do
>> >>>> not really look much into politics. Or they buy into the propaganda from Fox
>> >>>> and the like.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> No idiot. We live here. We see what's going on.
>> >>
>> >> OK, go on. Give clear policies of Trump you think are good and explain why
>> >> this overrides his push for division and violence. Before you deny he does
>> >> that, here are some examples:
>> >>
>> >> 1. Charlottesville, 2017: After the white supremacist rally in
>> >> Charlottesville, Virginia, where one person was killed, Trump stated there
>> >> were ?very fine people on both sides.? This was widely seen as equivocating
>> >> between white nationalists and those protesting against them .
>> >> 2. Encouraging violence at rallies: During his 2016 presidential
>> >> campaign, Trump made several comments at rallies that seemed to endorse
>> >> violence. For instance, he suggested to his supporters they should ?knock the
>> >> crap out of? protesters and offered to pay their legal fees .
>> >> 3. Calling for ?liberation? of states during COVID-19 lockdowns: In
>> >> 2020, Trump tweeted to ?LIBERATE? states like Michigan and Virginia, where
>> >> protesters, some armed, opposed COVID-19 lockdown measures. Many saw this as a
>> >> call to arms that fueled confrontations between protesters and law enforcement
>> >> .
>> >> 4. January 6 Capitol Riot, 2021: Trump was impeached for ?incitement of
>> >> insurrection? following the attack on the U.S. Capitol by his supporters. In a
>> >> speech just before the riot, Trump urged his followers to ?fight like hell?
>> >> and march to the Capitol. Critics argue this speech directly contributed to
>> >> the violence that ensued .
>> >
>> > I wont read your bullshit.
>>
>> In short: you run. Like a coward. You cannot defend Trump... it is his white
>> supremacy push you like.
>
>Unlike you I don't let shit like that run my thinking. You do.

By 'shit like that' you mean, facts?

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Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 16 days.

55) Trump vowed to protect American jobs, but offshoring
increased, and manufacturing fell.

56) Trump said he would fix America's infrastructure but it
never happened. He announced so many failed "infrastructure weeks",
they became a running joke! White House reporter,
"Since it’s infrastructure week..." (Laughter is the press room)
(To Sarah Huckabee) "*Is* it infrastructure week?"

On 21 Oct 2024 17:28:07 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 21, 2024 at 10:13:36?AM MST, "pothead" wrote
<snip>
>> Meanwhile Trump has done more for the blacks during his 4 years
>> as POTUS while the democrats have been mostly lip service.
>
>His support for white supremacy is not helping.
>
>> Snit just parrots the standard libby talking points.
>
>Interesting way to admit you have no counter.

What Trump has done for blacks is a myth.

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Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 16 days.

55) Trump vowed to protect American jobs, but offshoring
increased, and manufacturing fell.

56) Trump said he would fix America's infrastructure but it
never happened. He announced so many failed "infrastructure weeks",
they became a running joke! White House reporter,
"Since it’s infrastructure week..." (Laughter is the press room)
(To Sarah Huckabee) "*Is* it infrastructure week?"

On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 07:44:41 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>On 10/20/24 8:32 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 09:38:01 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Says who? I never said I was poor liar.
>>
>> You said you weren't doing well.
>>
>
>"I couls afford to do stuff."
>Said that in context to your prior
>"I was better off when Trump was in office."
>
>Golly, isn't it amazing how they can't keep their own story straight?
>
>Its almost as if they have ... confirmation bias.

Or more plainly, they are lying.

Republicans can't - CAN'T - win without lying and cheating.

Their policies are unpopular and given the chance, they will always run the
economy into the ground.

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Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 16 days.

55) Trump vowed to protect American jobs, but offshoring
increased, and manufacturing fell.

56) Trump said he would fix America's infrastructure but it
never happened. He announced so many failed "infrastructure weeks",
they became a running joke! White House reporter,
"Since it’s infrastructure week..." (Laughter is the press room)
(To Sarah Huckabee) "*Is* it infrastructure week?"

On Oct 21, 2024 at 4:31:02 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<muodhjldlpd6q76l2kqralvc4u3ervva68@4ax.com>:

> On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 07:44:41 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/20/24 8:32 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 09:38:01 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Says who? I never said I was poor liar.
>>>
>>> You said you weren't doing well.
>>>
>>
>> "I couls afford to do stuff."
>> Said that in context to your prior
>> "I was better off when Trump was in office."
>>
>> Golly, isn't it amazing how they can't keep their own story straight?
>>
>> Its almost as if they have ... confirmation bias.
>
> Or more plainly, they are lying.
>
> Republicans can't - CAN'T - win without lying and cheating.
>

Both major parties do.... they do it more.

> Their policies are unpopular and given the chance, they will always run the
> economy into the ground.

Yup.

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Oct 21, 2024 at 4:26:10 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<5nodhjlagmsdlaid0bmvjkcvr5h26mek0d@4ax.com>:

> On 21 Oct 2024 17:28:07 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 21, 2024 at 10:13:36?AM MST, "pothead" wrote
> <snip>
>>> Meanwhile Trump has done more for the blacks during his 4 years
>>> as POTUS while the democrats have been mostly lip service.
>>
>> His support for white supremacy is not helping.
>>
>>> Snit just parrots the standard libby talking points.
>>
>> Interesting way to admit you have no counter.
>
> What Trump has done for blacks is a myth.

Not the bad stuff.

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

In article <vf6f48$ufke$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
says...
>
> On 10/21/24 8:49 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <vf5e9i$jsii$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
> > says...
> >>
> >> On 10/20/24 9:26 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>> On 2024-10-20, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> In article <vf3sbi$iukn$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
> >>>> says...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 10/20/24 12:11 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2024-10-20, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article <67147f6a$2$2760$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> >>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 7:06:32 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> >>>>>>>> <6714658e$0$1787$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In article <67145de2$0$212405$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> >>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 5:46:33 PM MST, "marika" wrote
> >>>>>>>>>> <JpYQO.243587$1m96.51316@fx15.iad>:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vep81m$28g54$1@dont-email.me>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 8:05 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 5:54 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/2024 1:36 PM, -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operations.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get my drift.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pun intended.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mad?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardly.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a waste of energy.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you did choose
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
> >>>>>>>>>>>> issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's something you seem unable to do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
> >>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for Carroll's flood bot.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that is a fact.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Case in point:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of the way there by another metric.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
> >>>>>>>>>>>> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Ironically, the Russians think this has been a very bad year for them also.
> >>>>>>>>>>> They are going through some things.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The war they started is not going well for them. Turns out just tossing more
> >>>>>>>>>> people to die at a war is not always a winning strategy.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Amongst other nonfun things, the Russians have bombing their own people in
> >>>>>>>>>>> territories like Bilhorod.
> >>>>>>>>>>> For the past year.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> The world should be harsher toward their aggression. Trump clearly would not
> >>>>>>>>>> be if he wins.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cite?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> No wars when he was in office.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In April 2017, Trump ordered missile strikes on a Syrian airbase
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Not a war.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Additionally, Trump warned the Syrians not to use poison gas on their own citizens.
> >>>>>> They tested Trump and he delivered on his promise.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That's the difference between Trump and Biden.
> >>>>>> Our ships are being fired upon in the Middle East and Biden does virtually nothing other than continue his weak policy of appeasement.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Trump ramped up military operations in Afghanistan.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> To end a war.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yes.
> >>>>>> And Biden/Harris managed to botch that one as well.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But since you pendants are using the "not a war" bit because Congress
> >>>>> never declared one, nothing about Afghanistan counts for Biden either.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -hh
> >>>>
> >>>> 13 dead soldiers.
> >>
> >> 1/5th as many casualties as Trump had during his tenure.
> >
> > So that makes it ok? You idiot.
>
> Nope.

In article <6716e9ed$1$3833$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Oct 21, 2024 at 4:26:10 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
> <5nodhjlagmsdlaid0bmvjkcvr5h26mek0d@4ax.com>:
>
> > On 21 Oct 2024 17:28:07 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Oct 21, 2024 at 10:13:36?AM MST, "pothead" wrote
> > <snip>
> >>> Meanwhile Trump has done more for the blacks during his 4 years
> >>> as POTUS while the democrats have been mostly lip service.
> >>
> >> His support for white supremacy is not helping.
> >>
> >>> Snit just parrots the standard libby talking points.
> >>
> >> Interesting way to admit you have no counter.
> >
> > What Trump has done for blacks is a myth.
>
> Not the bad stuff.

Tell us then.

On 2024-10-21, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> In article <6716c302$1$3620719$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2024 at 12:16:55 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>> <6716a8a9$1$2873017$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>
>> >>>>> In short: you run. Like a coward. You cannot defend Trump... it is his white
>> >>>>> supremacy push you like.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Unlike you I don't let shit like that run my thinking. You do.
>> >>>
>> >>> Meanwhile Trump has done more for the blacks during his 4 years
>> >>> as POTUS while the democrats have been mostly lip service.
>> >>
>> >> His support for white supremacy is not helping.
>> >
>> > Show us how he supports that.
>>
>> You have recently said you pay attention. Thanks for admitting you do not.
>
> I answered you didn't I?
>>
>> Just some things you can look up:
>>
>> Charlottesville where he said there were fine people on both sides, one side
>> being white supremacists. The "defense" of this was he meant a more broad
>> group of people denouncing blacks and not just the direct white supremacists.
>>
>> In a debate where he asked the white supremacist group "Proud Boy" to "stand
>> by".
>>
>> Trump repeatedly was asked about such groups and refused to denounce them
>> (though later did, under pressure).
>>
>> Earned the support of David Duke and never denounced it.
>>
>> Pushed openly racist immigration policies.
>>
>> Ended diversity training.
>>
>> Repeated use of bigoted language such as "China virus" and "Kung Flu"
>>
>> Spoke of protecting "suburban housewives", a clear dog whistle.
>>
>> On and on and on.
>
> Old news. Why were they booing her at her rally?

Snit fancies himself as being educated and intelligent but he demonstrates
almost daily in fact that he is a very low information voter.

I refuse to waste time addressing all of his parroted points but here are a few.

Charlottesville- even left leaning Snopes exposed the fake news on this one.
<https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/>

China virus?
Where the hell does snit think it came from?
Norway?
Diversity training?
Why are corporations quietly eliminating their DEI departments and requirements?
Hint: because it doesn't work. It's a bad joke. Most people want the most qualified person
for the job and not some diversity hire. Look at the US Secret Service for examples.
An agent who was unable to holster her own gun.
Trump wants legal immigration.
Oh and BTW, Trump was 100% correct when he made the statement that
they are not sending us their best and brightest.
Example: the rise in gang violence taking over cities like NYC and so forth.
etc.

Snit is just parroting NPR, MSNBC and so forth and the sad part is that he
is so ignorant he really believes the shit they spew.
Snit Michael Glasser is truly a village idiot whose village tossed him to the curb
much like his wife Anne recently did.

--
pothead

See Kamala Harris best interview ever.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6363352689112
She really knocks this one out of the park.
Don't you agree?

On Oct 21, 2024 at 4:22:58 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<egodhj128p0fg0kbks7t20vsaqt2ec5d3s@4ax.com>:

> On 21 Oct 2024 13:50:11 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 21, 2024 at 5:09:43?AM MST, "-hh" wrote <vf5ga7$ufks$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 10/20/24 8:31 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 09:36:11 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Damn you're dumb. Do you think your little bubble is the whole country?
>>>>
>>>> Do you think yours is?
>>>
>>> From: <https://x.com/PamKeithFL/status/1848126596663898590>
>>>
>>> [quote]
>>>
>>> I am learning while I knock doors that when people tell me they are
>>> voting for Trump because of the economy, they are really telling me they
>>> are voting for Trump because of white supremacy.
>>
>> Pretty much.
>
> +1
>
>>> I reach that conclusion because one follow up questions leaves them stumped:
>>>
>>> “What Trump policy has actually helped you or your family?”
>>>
>>> When I ask that question I get blank stares, “that’s a good question”
>>> responses. “I don’t know, I just think the economy was better.”
>>>
>>> All of it is bullshit. All of it. They are voting for white supremacy.
>>> Period.
>>
>> I would also say some vote for Trump because those around them do and they do
>> not really look much into politics. Or they buy into the propaganda from Fox
>> and the like.
>
> Peer pressure.

Yup.

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On Oct 21, 2024 at 4:21:34 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<kfodhj5pdvgpnoos3vekk3ijnc13ue7kde@4ax.com>:

> On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 07:33:43 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Only your side brings up race.
>
> <laughs and points>

My favorite bit of insanity on this is when people insist that it was the
Democrats who put up the symbols of slavery and racial oppression. Sure, rich
conservative white Democrats... so why not agree to take down these symbols of
slavery and racial oppression? And off they run, screaming "history", as if
one needs to have statues of Hitler in public places of honor to remember
WWII.

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On Oct 21, 2024 at 4:03:19 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<52ndhjdmt3smapo64btptiooeqbrb0ncv7@4ax.com>:

> On 21 Oct 2024 01:05:39 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 20, 2024 at 5:17:41?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>> <d65bhjpm6220b9joe669sugmv9bt0utpdh@4ax.com>:
>>
>>> On 20 Oct 2024 03:31:33 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 7:35:57?PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>>>>> On 19 Oct 2024 18:01:32 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 8:18:36?AM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
>>>>>>> On 18 Oct 2024 21:46:15 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> I wish we had something closer to equal representation. With the Senate and
>>>>>>>> the Electoral College we are FAR from that. Even the House is pretty far from
>>>>>>>> it. I think the US would be MUCH better off if we had one adult citizen = one
>>>>>>>> vote, and each vote counted the same.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pure democracy? That would be untenable in a nation of more than 300,000,000
>>>>>>> citizens.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, we would still have representatives... but something closer to equal
>>>>>> representation. Not the nonsense now where some people have 20x the
>>>>>> representational power of others.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where does that occur?
>>>>
>>>> Wyoming vs. California. Doing some research now.
>>>>
>>>> That was what I was thinking for the Senate... but it is MUCH worse than that
>>>> there.
>>>>
>>>> In the Senate:
>>>>
>>>> Wyoming: 1 senator represents about 290,000 people.
>>>> California: 1 senator represents about 20 million people.
>>>>
>>>> That means about a 1:69 representational inequality.
>>>>
>>>> In the House:
>>>>
>>>> Wyoming: 1 representative for ~580,000 people
>>>> California: 1 representative for every ~770,000 people
>>>
>>> Then the solution is to send 200,000 Californians to Wyoming?
>>
>> A friend of mine has said he wants to see state lines redrawn every 10 years
>> to keep roughly the same level of population in each state. Not sure I like
>> your idea any better than his. LOL!
>>>
>>>> That means even in the house a about a 1:1.3 representational inequality.
>>>>
>>>> Wyoming has 3 electoral votes for about 580,000 people, or ~193,000 people per
>>>> electoral vote.
>>>> California has 55 electoral votes for nearly 40 million people, or ~727,000
>>>> people per electoral vote.
>>>>
>>>> This means a 1:3.8 representational inequality
>>>
>>> I agree that in modern times the EC is not a good idea. However, the
>>> representational issues you note are due to the fact that every state gets two
>>> senators regardless of population.
>>
>> Right. But that leads to GROSSLY disproportionate representation, 5x worse
>> than what we had at the start of the country.
>
> You're wrong here.
>
> Every state has always had two Senators.

Where did you think I said otherwise? The states were not as disproportionate
in numbers at the time.
>
> This is why we have two legislative Houses. The House is the house of the
> people (representation by population), the Senate is the house of the states
> (each state gets an equal voice).

This is not in contention.
>
> I have no problem with that system. I have no problem with the EC, as such.
> The
> problem I have is with the winner take all system most states employ. Imo,
> electors should be apportioned according to the distribution of votes among the
> candidates. If Joe Schmo gets 60% of the votes, he should get 60% of the
> electors, not all of them.

The system is not going to change, but I see it as a bit issue. It is why the
will of the people is largely ignored on gun control, climate change, health
insurance, abortion, and many more issues.
>
>>>> And yet California citizens give, on average, about $5000 a year to the US
>>>> government, and each Wyoming citizen GETS a bit under $7000.
>>>>
>>>> Those who have the least representation are giving the most. Those with the
>>>> most representation are getting massive support from the Federal government.
>>>
>>> These things are all arguable.
>>>
>>> It would require a fundamental rewriting of the Constitution to change this.
>>
>> Right. I do not expect it to change. It is, though, key to many of the issues
>> we have in this country, IMNSHO.
>
> It does prevent the majority from riding roughshod over the minority, but it
> also sometimes allows the minority to dictate to the majority.

That is the issue: the minority controls the majority, and it leads to those
in CA getting the least say but putting the most into the Federal system. This
is contrary to the idea of no taxation without representation -- those with
the least representing are taxed the most.
>
>>> Do
>>> you really think that in such a divisive, highly partisan political environment
>>> as we have today, that such a rewrite would be a good idea?
>>
>> Good idea or not, it would never pass.
>>>
>>> The problem is that, like most foreigners, you do not understand the "United
>>> STATES of America". The US is not as singular a country as most, but is in
>>> fact, an assemblage of separate countries, aka 'states'.
>>>
>>> The House represents the population of the US, the Senate represents the States
>>> of the US.
>>>
>>> The population votes and each state votes.
>>
>> And this leads to many issues.
>>>
>>> It is the states, not the population, who ultimately select the POTUS.
>>>
>>> I find that a better solution than Britain's of allowing the Parliament
>>> (Congress) to select the Prime Minister (POTUS) any time the PM (POTUS) no
>>> longer has the support of a majority of the members of Parliament (Congress).
>>
>> I *wish* we had something closer to equal representation but I know we are not
>> going to get it. Might lead to the downfall of the country.
>
> Representation in Congress works fine. It's the two party system that's
> bleeding us dry.

Sadly even that is SOMEWHAT cooked into our constitution. If you have more
than two parties it is unlikely any one would get the majority vote for the
president, and then it goes to the House, with each state getting equal votes.
This means the will of the people would largely be ignored.

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On Oct 21, 2024 at 4:00:23 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<6716dd08$1$2385534$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

> In article <6716c302$1$3620719$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2024 at 12:16:55 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>> <6716a8a9$1$2873017$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>
>>>>>>> In short: you run. Like a coward. You cannot defend Trump... it is his white
>>>>>>> supremacy push you like.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unlike you I don't let shit like that run my thinking. You do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile Trump has done more for the blacks during his 4 years
>>>>> as POTUS while the democrats have been mostly lip service.
>>>>
>>>> His support for white supremacy is not helping.
>>>
>>> Show us how he supports that.
>>
>> You have recently said you pay attention. Thanks for admitting you do not.
>
> I answered you didn't I?

You ran... like a coward.
>>
>> Just some things you can look up:
>>
>> Charlottesville where he said there were fine people on both sides, one side
>> being white supremacists. The "defense" of this was he meant a more broad
>> group of people denouncing blacks and not just the direct white supremacists.
>>
>> In a debate where he asked the white supremacist group "Proud Boy" to "stand
>> by".
>>
>> Trump repeatedly was asked about such groups and refused to denounce them
>> (though later did, under pressure).
>>
>> Earned the support of David Duke and never denounced it.
>>
>> Pushed openly racist immigration policies.
>>
>> Ended diversity training.
>>
>> Repeated use of bigoted language such as "China virus" and "Kung Flu"
>>
>> Spoke of protecting "suburban housewives", a clear dog whistle.
>>
>> On and on and on.

And you ran from this.

>
> Old news. Why were they booing her at her rally?

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On 10/21/24 7:58 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <vf6f48$ufke$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
> says...
>>
>> On 10/21/24 8:49 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <vf5e9i$jsii$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On 10/20/24 9:26 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-10-20, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> In article <vf3sbi$iukn$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/20/24 12:11 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-20, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <67147f6a$2$2760$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 7:06:32 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <6714658e$0$1787$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <67145de2$0$212405$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 5:46:33 PM MST, "marika" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <JpYQO.243587$1m96.51316@fx15.iad>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vep81m$28g54$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 8:05 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 5:54 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/2024 1:36 PM, -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get my drift.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pun intended.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mad?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a waste of energy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you did choose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's something you seem unable to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for Carroll's flood bot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that is a fact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Case in point:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the way there by another metric.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ironically, the Russians think this has been a very bad year for them also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are going through some things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The war they started is not going well for them. Turns out just tossing more
>>>>>>>>>>>> people to die at a war is not always a winning strategy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amongst other nonfun things, the Russians have bombing their own people in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> territories like Bilhorod.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the past year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The world should be harsher toward their aggression. Trump clearly would not
>>>>>>>>>>>> be if he wins.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No wars when he was in office.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In April 2017, Trump ordered missile strikes on a Syrian airbase
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not a war.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Additionally, Trump warned the Syrians not to use poison gas on their own citizens.
>>>>>>>> They tested Trump and he delivered on his promise.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's the difference between Trump and Biden.
>>>>>>>> Our ships are being fired upon in the Middle East and Biden does virtually nothing other than continue his weak policy of appeasement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Trump ramped up military operations in Afghanistan.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To end a war.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>> And Biden/Harris managed to botch that one as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But since you pendants are using the "not a war" bit because Congress
>>>>>>> never declared one, nothing about Afghanistan counts for Biden either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 13 dead soldiers.
>>>>
>>>> 1/5th as many casualties as Trump had during his tenure.
>>>
>>> So that makes it ok? You idiot.
>>
>> Nope.
>
> Then shut up about it.

In article <6717009b$0$2873014$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Oct 21, 2024 at 4:00:23 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> <6716dd08$1$2385534$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
> > In article <6716c302$1$3620719$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> > brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> On Oct 21, 2024 at 12:16:55 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> >> <6716a8a9$1$2873017$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >>
> >>>>>>> In short: you run. Like a coward. You cannot defend Trump... it is his white
> >>>>>>> supremacy push you like.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Unlike you I don't let shit like that run my thinking. You do.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Meanwhile Trump has done more for the blacks during his 4 years
> >>>>> as POTUS while the democrats have been mostly lip service.
> >>>>
> >>>> His support for white supremacy is not helping.
> >>>
> >>> Show us how he supports that.
> >>
> >> You have recently said you pay attention. Thanks for admitting you do not.
> >
> > I answered you didn't I?
>
> You ran... like a coward.

Nope you're lying.
> >>
> >> Just some things you can look up:
> >>
> >> Charlottesville where he said there were fine people on both sides, one side
> >> being white supremacists. The "defense" of this was he meant a more broad
> >> group of people denouncing blacks and not just the direct white supremacists.
> >>
> >> In a debate where he asked the white supremacist group "Proud Boy" to "stand
> >> by".
> >>
> >> Trump repeatedly was asked about such groups and refused to denounce them
> >> (though later did, under pressure).
> >>
> >> Earned the support of David Duke and never denounced it.
> >>
> >> Pushed openly racist immigration policies.
> >>
> >> Ended diversity training.
> >>
> >> Repeated use of bigoted language such as "China virus" and "Kung Flu"
> >>
> >> Spoke of protecting "suburban housewives", a clear dog whistle.
> >>
> >> On and on and on.
>
> And you ran from this.

Bullshit. I don't read AI.
>
> >
> > Old news. Why were they booing her at her rally?

And you ran from this.

On Oct 21, 2024 at 7:59:41 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<671714df$2$1428124$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

> In article <6717009b$0$2873014$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2024 at 4:00:23 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>> <6716dd08$1$2385534$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>
>>> In article <6716c302$1$3620719$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 21, 2024 at 12:16:55 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>> <6716a8a9$1$2873017$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In short: you run. Like a coward. You cannot defend Trump... it is his white
>>>>>>>>> supremacy push you like.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unlike you I don't let shit like that run my thinking. You do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Meanwhile Trump has done more for the blacks during his 4 years
>>>>>>> as POTUS while the democrats have been mostly lip service.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> His support for white supremacy is not helping.
>>>>>
>>>>> Show us how he supports that.
>>>>
>>>> You have recently said you pay attention. Thanks for admitting you do not.
>>>
>>> I answered you didn't I?
>>
>> You ran... like a coward.
>
> Nope you're lying.
>>>>
>>>> Just some things you can look up:
>>>>
>>>> Charlottesville where he said there were fine people on both sides, one side
>>>> being white supremacists. The "defense" of this was he meant a more broad
>>>> group of people denouncing blacks and not just the direct white supremacists.
>>>>
>>>> In a debate where he asked the white supremacist group "Proud Boy" to "stand
>>>> by".
>>>>
>>>> Trump repeatedly was asked about such groups and refused to denounce them
>>>> (though later did, under pressure).
>>>>
>>>> Earned the support of David Duke and never denounced it.
>>>>
>>>> Pushed openly racist immigration policies.
>>>>
>>>> Ended diversity training.
>>>>
>>>> Repeated use of bigoted language such as "China virus" and "Kung Flu"
>>>>
>>>> Spoke of protecting "suburban housewives", a clear dog whistle.
>>>>
>>>> On and on and on.
>>
>> And you ran from this.
>
> Bullshit. I don't read AI.

Not everything is AI.
>>
>>>
>>> Old news. Why were they booing her at her rally?
>
> And you ran from this.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

In article <vf6vgd$15slb$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>
> On 10/21/24 7:58 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <vf6f48$ufke$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
> > says...
> >>
> >> On 10/21/24 8:49 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>> In article <vf5e9i$jsii$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
> >>> says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/20/24 9:26 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>> On 2024-10-20, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> In article <vf3sbi$iukn$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
> >>>>>> says...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 10/20/24 12:11 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 2024-10-20, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> In article <67147f6a$2$2760$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> >>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 7:06:32 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> >>>>>>>>>> <6714658e$0$1787$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> In article <67145de2$0$212405$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> >>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 5:46:33 PM MST, "marika" wrote
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <JpYQO.243587$1m96.51316@fx15.iad>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vep81m$28g54$1@dont-email.me>:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 8:05 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 5:54 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/2024 1:36 PM, -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operations.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get my drift.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pun intended.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mad?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardly.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a waste of energy.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you did choose
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's something you seem unable to do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for Carroll's flood bot.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that is a fact.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Case in point:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the way there by another metric.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ironically, the Russians think this has been a very bad year for them also.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> They are going through some things.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The war they started is not going well for them. Turns out just tossing more
> >>>>>>>>>>>> people to die at a war is not always a winning strategy.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Amongst other nonfun things, the Russians have bombing their own people in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> territories like Bilhorod.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> For the past year.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The world should be harsher toward their aggression. Trump clearly would not
> >>>>>>>>>>>> be if he wins.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Cite?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> No wars when he was in office.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> In April 2017, Trump ordered missile strikes on a Syrian airbase
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Not a war.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Additionally, Trump warned the Syrians not to use poison gas on their own citizens.
> >>>>>>>> They tested Trump and he delivered on his promise.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That's the difference between Trump and Biden.
> >>>>>>>> Our ships are being fired upon in the Middle East and Biden does virtually nothing other than continue his weak policy of appeasement.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Trump ramped up military operations in Afghanistan.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> To end a war.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yes.
> >>>>>>>> And Biden/Harris managed to botch that one as well.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> But since you pendants are using the "not a war" bit because Congress
> >>>>>>> never declared one, nothing about Afghanistan counts for Biden either.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 13 dead soldiers.
> >>>>
> >>>> 1/5th as many casualties as Trump had during his tenure.
> >>>
> >>> So that makes it ok? You idiot.
> >>
> >> Nope.
> >
> > Then shut up about it.
>
> I'm not the one who's been harping on those 13 casualties.

Skeeter wrote:
> In article <vf6vgd$15slb$1@dont-email.me>,
> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>
>> On 10/21/24 7:58 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <vf6f48$ufke$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On 10/21/24 8:49 AM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>> In article <vf5e9i$jsii$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/20/24 9:26 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-10-20, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <vf3sbi$iukn$1@dont-email.me>, recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/20/24 12:11 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-20, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <67147f6a$2$2760$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 7:06:32 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <6714658e$0$1787$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <67145de2$0$212405$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2024 at 5:46:33 PM MST, "marika" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <JpYQO.243587$1m96.51316@fx15.iad>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vep81m$28g54$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 8:05 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 5:54 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/2024 1:36 PM, -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> operations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get my drift.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pun intended.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mad?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a waste of energy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you did choose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's something you seem unable to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for Carroll's flood bot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that is a fact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Case in point:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the way there by another metric.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ironically, the Russians think this has been a very bad year for them also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are going through some things.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The war they started is not going well for them. Turns out just tossing more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people to die at a war is not always a winning strategy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amongst other nonfun things, the Russians have bombing their own people in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> territories like Bilhorod.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the past year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The world should be harsher toward their aggression. Trump clearly would not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be if he wins.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cite?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No wars when he was in office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In April 2017, Trump ordered missile strikes on a Syrian airbase
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not a war.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Additionally, Trump warned the Syrians not to use poison gas on their own citizens.
>>>>>>>>>> They tested Trump and he delivered on his promise.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's the difference between Trump and Biden.
>>>>>>>>>> Our ships are being fired upon in the Middle East and Biden does virtually nothing other than continue his weak policy of appeasement.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Trump ramped up military operations in Afghanistan.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To end a war.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>>> And Biden/Harris managed to botch that one as well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But since you pendants are using the "not a war" bit because Congress
>>>>>>>>> never declared one, nothing about Afghanistan counts for Biden either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 13 dead soldiers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1/5th as many casualties as Trump had during his tenure.
>>>>>
>>>>> So that makes it ok? You idiot.
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>
>>> Then shut up about it.
>>
>> I'm not the one who's been harping on those 13 casualties.
>
> Because you don't care.
>>
>>
>>>>> BUTWHATABOUT
>>>>
>>>> Because I'm showing how you're so selectively pearl-clutching.
>>>
>>> I bet you wish you even knew what that meant.
>>
>> It means you're hamming it up as a drama queen.
>
> Is that what it means? What shithole do you live in?
>>
>>
>>>>>> And it happened while upholding what Trump had obligated the USA to do
>>>>>> under the February 2020 Doha Accord.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit Joe fucked up. Even the "generals" said so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why the scare quotes around "generals"? Are these some of Trump's very
>>>> fake "But Sir!" (he said with a tear in his eye), or do you have actual
>>>> citations with names, dates, and quotes?
>>>>
>>>> Plus when did these leaders first oppose? Back at the Doha Accord?
>>>> Because Doha was when the final ball was committed & put in motion.
>>>
>>> I wasn't there.
>>
>> Oh, so you now can't actually produce any of these "generals". Check!
>
> Well they don't live here.
>>
>>
>>>>>>> Yep.
>>>>>>> This hh assclown is a massive idiot.
>>>>>>> Congress never declared war during Vietnam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nor did Congress declare war for Korea. Yet you keep on trying to use
>>>>>> "not a war" pedantry to overlook Trump's military engagements.
>>>>>
>>>>> What wars did he start?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What wars did Biden start?
>>>
>>> I never said he started any.
>>
>>
>> Then why did you ask what wars Trump started?
>
> It's called a question dummy.
>
>> Hypocritical double-standard much?
>
> No, a question.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> Which includes 65 soldiers who died in Afghanistan during Trump.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not a war.
>>>>
>>>> Then by your own standard, Biden's 13 losses during the final evacuation
>>>> don't count either.
>>>
>>> They are dead because of his fuck up. I know you don't care. Like
>>> Hillary said about the troops that died at Benghazi. "at this point what
>>> difference does it make?"
>>
>> On the contrary: while you've been alluding to them being suckers and
>> losers (TM), I've cared enough to put their sacrifice into mission
>> context of how many civilians were successfully rescued. Don't you
>> remember how I've posted a challenge to all comers to go identify any
>> equivalent military evacuation under fire to have had a better
>> (casualty:rescue) ratio? Or is this another case of your selective
>> senility again?
>
> What a load. People died because Joe fucked up.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>>> What do they call it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These libbys are fools.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As opposed to you two being hypocrite.
>>>>>
>>>>> No wars caused by Trump.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So? What wars did Biden cause? Also zero, right?
>>>
>>> I never said he did. But he sure allowed them to happen.
>>
>> Yes, Trump did certainly permit a lot of bad shit, including the ongoing
>> Mideast mess which centers around Iran's surrogates, which is on Trump
>> for pulling out of that nuclear deal.
>
>
> BUTWHATABOUT TRUMP!
>>
>>
>>>>>> For you're also being deliberately blind to how Trump failed to deliver
>>>>>> on his campaign promise to exit Afghanistan.
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe fucked that up.
>>>>
>>>> How could Biden have "fucked up" Trump's campaign promise to be out of
>>>> Afghanistan by the end of Trump's term? Be specific.
>>>
>>> Why did Biden spend his first day signing off all Trumps EOs? He could
>>> have changed that too.
>>
>> Why did Trump spend his first weeks signing off on EOs that undid
>> Obama's works? FYI, one of these eliminated an SEC based fiduciary
>> responsibility on your Investment Broker when he gives you advice.
>> This could be why you've been whining about not being as well off today.
>
>
> and he runs from the question and a BUTWHATABOUT
>>
>>
>>>> Also note that Trump had issued orders to the Pentagon to be out by
>>>> December 2020, but then rescinded that order. Why didn't he keep his
>>>> campaign promise? Perhaps because he thinks his legacy would have been
>>>> one of someone who "runs away"? Or because since there hadn't been
>>>> adequate planning done, military losses then would've been even worse?
>>>
>>> Cry a river. What does that have to do with now?
>>
>> It illustrates how Trump could have met his campaign promise but
>> chickened out. Trump is terrified to be ever be seen as weak, which is
>> why he's easily manipulated by that personality flaw.
>
>
> He is speaking somewhere everyday. Twice today. Sorry but you have
> nothing.
>>
>>
>>>>>> And blind to how there were thousands of Trump-freed Taliban military
>>>>>> which contributed to the very deaths you're claiming to be so upset about.
>>>>>
>>>>> But allowing crooks to cross the border and rape and kill is ok?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh, look: its yet another attempt to run & change the subject!
>>>
>>> Nope, you just want to avoid it.
>>
>> Except for how I then confronted it head on, still quoted below:
>>
>>
>>>> Fun fact:
>>>> most crooks smuggling fentanyl across the border are US citizens.
>>>
>>> Yea right.
>>>>
>>>> Need cite? Here ya go, luzer:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-smuggled-us-citizens-us-citizens-not-asylum-seekers>
>>>
>>> and? I'm supposed to believe that? Besides no matter what color they are
>>> they are still crossing illegally.
>>
>>
>> Of course *you* don't believe anything that goes against your beliefs.
>> But facts don't give a damn if your feelings get hurt, snowflake.
>
> I'm not a liberal you non original halfwit.
>>
>>
>>>> Much of our border dilemma is due to decades of systemic under-funding
>>>> of the Judicial department who's responsible to process refugee claims,
>>>> primarily since the Refugee Act of 1980 (Public Law 96-212), which
>>>> amended the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Bull shit. Follow the fucking law.
>>
>> This *is* following the law. Get a clue.
>
> I explained. You choose to ignore.
>>
>>
>>> Cross at legal crossing points and
>>> get vetted. If you try to cross anywhere else you are breaking the law
>>> and go to jail or get sent back. That worked for a long time.
>>>
>>>> Need cite? <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee_Act>
>>>>
>>>> This systemic under-funding has resulted in a years-long case backlog,
>>>> and even though the Judicial approval rate of refugee cases is under 5%,
>>>> they're legally allowed to reside in the USA until their case is heard.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps the reason why this situation has been allowed to continue is
>>>> because its good for business: they can hire those peoples cheaply
>>>> (they're 7.65% cheaper than US Citizens at the same hourly rate), plus
>>>> most (~95%) of the time, the businesses know that they don't really have
>>>> to worry about having to provide raises or pay longer term benefits.
>>
>>
>> ...and of course Skeeter can't bring himself up to comment on the plain
>> truths mentioned above, particularly in light of how he knows that Trump
>> directed Johnson to kill the immigration reform bill earlier this year.
>
>
> It was a bill full of pork. Stupid spending.
>>
>>>>>> But yeah sure, the next time you see a Vet, you'll say your performative
>>>>>> "Thank you for your service" to make you - not them - feel better:
>>>>>> Active Duty knows that it is bullshit, because you don't really support
>>>>>> the troops, as evidenced by your support of political candidates who
>>>>>> stole DoD housing funds to build a wall, and who try to strip services &
>>>>>> funding from the VA.
>>>>>
>>>>> You never served so shut the fuck up.
>>>>
>>>> Unlike you, I've sworn the Oath to uphold & defend the US Constitution.
>>>> I know that that Oath is a lifetime commitment and live so accordingly.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yea whatever.
>>
>> Gosh, what a gracious apology that was from you.
>
> It was more like a middle finger. I dont believe you.
>>
>> Now you might be starting to have a clue as to why Active Duty turned
>> away from supporting the GOP back in 2020, and there's not a chance in
>> hell that they're going to go back now in 2024. Case in point:
>>
>> "Trump?s popularity slips in latest Military Times poll ? and more
>> troops say they?ll vote for Biden"
>> - 31 AUG 2020
>>
>> cite:
>> <https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/>
>>
>> FYI, the poll they also listed showed Biden +3.9 points over Trump.
>
> All something that means nothing.
>
> So why were they booing her at he rally?
>>
>>
>> -hh
>
>
because some trump fans walked by

In article <67171838$0$3833$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Oct 21, 2024 at 7:59:41 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> <671714df$2$1428124$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
> > In article <6717009b$0$2873014$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> > brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> On Oct 21, 2024 at 4:00:23 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> >> <6716dd08$1$2385534$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >>
> >>> In article <6716c302$1$3620719$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> >>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 21, 2024 at 12:16:55 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> >>>> <6716a8a9$1$2873017$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In short: you run. Like a coward. You cannot defend Trump... it is his white
> >>>>>>>>> supremacy push you like.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Unlike you I don't let shit like that run my thinking. You do.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Meanwhile Trump has done more for the blacks during his 4 years
> >>>>>>> as POTUS while the democrats have been mostly lip service.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> His support for white supremacy is not helping.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Show us how he supports that.
> >>>>
> >>>> You have recently said you pay attention. Thanks for admitting you do not.
> >>>
> >>> I answered you didn't I?
> >>
> >> You ran... like a coward.
> >
> > Nope you're lying.
> >>>>
> >>>> Just some things you can look up:
> >>>>
> >>>> Charlottesville where he said there were fine people on both sides, one side
> >>>> being white supremacists. The "defense" of this was he meant a more broad
> >>>> group of people denouncing blacks and not just the direct white supremacists.
> >>>>
> >>>> In a debate where he asked the white supremacist group "Proud Boy" to "stand
> >>>> by".
> >>>>
> >>>> Trump repeatedly was asked about such groups and refused to denounce them
> >>>> (though later did, under pressure).
> >>>>
> >>>> Earned the support of David Duke and never denounced it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Pushed openly racist immigration policies.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ended diversity training.
> >>>>
> >>>> Repeated use of bigoted language such as "China virus" and "Kung Flu"
> >>>>
> >>>> Spoke of protecting "suburban housewives", a clear dog whistle.
> >>>>
> >>>> On and on and on.
> >>
> >> And you ran from this.
> >
> > Bullshit. I don't read AI.
>
> Not everything is AI.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Old news. Why were they booing her at her rally?
> >
> > And you ran from this.

But your responses are.

On Oct 21, 2024 at 8:27:51 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<67171bb7$2$2873018$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

> In article <67171838$0$3833$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2024 at 7:59:41 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>> <671714df$2$1428124$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>
>>> In article <6717009b$0$2873014$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 21, 2024 at 4:00:23 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>> <6716dd08$1$2385534$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <6716c302$1$3620719$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2024 at 12:16:55 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>>>> <6716a8a9$1$2873017$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In short: you run. Like a coward. You cannot defend Trump... it is his white
>>>>>>>>>>> supremacy push you like.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unlike you I don't let shit like that run my thinking. You do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile Trump has done more for the blacks during his 4 years
>>>>>>>>> as POTUS while the democrats have been mostly lip service.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> His support for white supremacy is not helping.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Show us how he supports that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have recently said you pay attention. Thanks for admitting you do not.
>>>>>
>>>>> I answered you didn't I?
>>>>
>>>> You ran... like a coward.
>>>
>>> Nope you're lying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just some things you can look up:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Charlottesville where he said there were fine people on both sides, one side
>>>>>> being white supremacists. The "defense" of this was he meant a more broad
>>>>>> group of people denouncing blacks and not just the direct white supremacists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a debate where he asked the white supremacist group "Proud Boy" to "stand
>>>>>> by".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump repeatedly was asked about such groups and refused to denounce them
>>>>>> (though later did, under pressure).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Earned the support of David Duke and never denounced it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pushed openly racist immigration policies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ended diversity training.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Repeated use of bigoted language such as "China virus" and "Kung Flu"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Spoke of protecting "suburban housewives", a clear dog whistle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On and on and on.
>>>>
>>>> And you ran from this.
>>>
>>> Bullshit. I don't read AI.
>>
>> Not everything is AI.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Old news. Why were they booing her at her rally?
>>>
>>> And you ran from this.
>
> But your responses are.

The following is not AI, but you ran from it anyway. You have no reasoned
response. Trump quite openly backs white supremacy. Simply a fact.

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Charlottesville where he said there were fine people on both sides, one side
being white supremacists. The "defense" of this was he meant a more broad
group of people denouncing blacks and not just the direct white supremacists.

In a debate where he asked the white supremacist group "Proud Boy" to "stand
by".

Trump repeatedly was asked about such groups and refused to denounce them
(though later did, under pressure).

Earned the support of David Duke and never denounced it.

Pushed openly racist immigration policies.

Ended diversity training.

Repeated use of bigoted language such as "China virus" and "Kung Flu"

Spoke of protecting "suburban housewives", a clear dog whistle.

On and on and on.
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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.