On 2024-10-21, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Oct 2024 09:02:53 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>>> The full fourth amendment...
>>>
>>> The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses,
>>> papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures,
>>> shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon
>>> probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly
>>> describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to
>>> be seized.
>>
>> I am aware, except that I don't believe it protects you if you willingly
>> install all sorts of technology which has already been reported to be
>> used by corporations and the government to monitor your life.
>
> Note that that Fourth Amendment is only a check on Government power, it
> doesn’t prevent private businesses from doing all that, and more.

But there are privacy laws in effect in the United States, both at the state
and Federal level.

Among these are...

U.S. Privacy Act of 1974 — The federal government passed the U.S. Privacy
Act of 1974 to enhance individual privacy protection. This act
established rules and regulations regarding U.S. government agencies'
collection, use, and disclosure of personal information.

HIPAA — Enacted in 1996, the Health Insurance Portability and
Accountability Act (HIPAA) is a federal privacy protection law that
safeguards individuals’ medical information. HIPAA applies to all
entities that handle protected health information (PHI), including
healthcare providers, hospitals, and insurance companies.

COPPA — Congress enacted the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act
(COPPA) in 1998 to protect the online privacy of minors under the age of
13. COPPA applies to any website or online service that collects, uses,
or discloses personal information from children.

GLBA — In 1999, the U.S. government signed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act
(GLBA). This law protects consumer privacy and applies to any financial
institution that collects, uses, or discloses personal information.

Some state laws...

California — In 2020, voters in California passed the California Privacy
Rights Act (CPRA), an amendment to the CCPA. The CPRA provides additional
protection for Californians, such as the right to know what personal data
entities are collecting about them and the right to know if businesses
are selling their data and to whom.

Colorado — The Colorado Privacy Act is a new law that will take effect on
July 1, 2023. This law will require businesses to disclose their data
collection and sharing practices to consumers and gives Colorado
residents the right to opt out of the sale of their personal data. The
law also imposes strict penalties for companies and authorizes the state
attorney general to bring enforcement actions.

Connecticut — The Connecticut Personal Data Privacy and Online Monitoring
Act covers any business that collects personal information from
Connecticut residents. The law provides privacy protection regulations
for data controllers and processors and requires them to take reasonable
security measures to protect personal data.

Maryland — The Maryland Online Consumer Protection Act protects consumers
from cybersecurity threats, including data breaches, theft, phishing, and
spyware. While this law is similar to other state privacy laws, it’s more
comprehensive in certain respects.

Massachusetts — The Massachusetts Data Privacy Law is a set of
regulations governing businesses' handling of personal information. The
law applies to any organization that holds, uses, or discloses personal
data about Massachusetts residents.

Some of the law’s provisions state that companies must obtain consumer
consent before collecting or using their data. In addition, entities must
take necessary steps to secure consumer data. The state law also
establishes that companies must disclose how they use consumer data and
allow customers to opt out of specific uses. Finally, organizations must
ensure that the data they collect is accurate and up-to-date.

New York — The New York Privacy Act is one of the most comprehensive
pieces of privacy and security legislation in the U.S. This law sets
strict rules about how businesses must handle consumers’ personal
information and gives individuals new rights concerning data. The act
significantly impacts companies operating in New York state and helps
ensure all residents control their personal information.

Virginia — The Virginia Consumer Data Protection Act is a new law that’ll
take effect on January 1, 2023. It will require businesses to take
reasonable steps to protect consumer data privacy, confidentiality, and
integrity.

There's also the Federal Trade Commission Act that protects U.S. citizen's
privacy.

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/topics/protecting-consumer-privacy-security/privacy-security-enforcement

Privacy and Security Enforcement — When companies tell consumers they
will safeguard their personal information, the FTC can and does take law
enforcement action to make sure that companies live up these promises.
The FTC has brought legal actions against organizations that have
violated consumers’ privacy rights, or misled them by failing to maintain
security for sensitive consumer information, or caused substantial
consumer injury. In many of these cases, the FTC has charged the
defendants with violating Section 5 of the FTC Act, which bars unfair and
deceptive acts and practices in or affecting commerce. In addition to the
FTC Act, the agency also enforces other federal laws relating to
consumers’ privacy and security.

Nothing allows corporations to just spy on US citizens or gather their
information without their knowledge. These laws almost are all concerned
with knowledge gained by corporations legally and to insure that it is not
misused or illegally disclosed. I don't know what the laws are like in New
Zealand but in the United States citizens do have the right to privacy from
corporations.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-21, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On 17 Oct 2024 02:21:26 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 22:37:45 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 09:57:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> rather than fight what is obviously an operating to obliterate privacy
>>>> once and for all.
>>>
>>> Interesting that your much-vaunted US Constitution doesn’t actually
>>> guarantee any right to privacy, does it?
>>
>> Fourth Amendment
>>
>> The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
>> and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
>> violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
>> supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place
>> to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
>>
>> https://epic.org/issues/privacy-laws/fourth-amendment/
>
> No restriction there on anything Microsoft or Google or Apple or Facebook/
> Meta might do.

Yes, there are restrictions, as shown in a previous post.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-21, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2024-10-21, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> On 17 Oct 2024 02:21:26 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 22:37:45 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 09:57:45 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> rather than fight what is obviously an operating to obliterate privacy
>>>>> once and for all.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting that your much-vaunted US Constitution doesn’t actually
>>>> guarantee any right to privacy, does it?
>>>
>>> Fourth Amendment
>>>
>>> The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers,
>>> and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
>>> violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause,
>>> supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place
>>> to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
>>>
>>> https://epic.org/issues/privacy-laws/fourth-amendment/
>>
>> No restriction there on anything Microsoft or Google or Apple or Facebook/
>> Meta might do.
>
> Yes, there are restrictions, as shown in a previous post.

The FTC recently filed a lawsuit against Facebook for violating their user
privacy agreements.

https://www.ftc.gov/legal-library/browse/cases-proceedings/092-3184-182-3109-c-4365-facebook-inc-matter

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 10/20/24 21:09, rbowman wrote:
>
>
> Groups install bird houses in some of the open spaces principally to
> attract mountain bluebirds although other species move in. Lately I've
> been noticing faux bird houses with cameras along some of the trails.
> There are disclaimers on the back side of the houses that they are only
> counting devices to determine trail usage and aren't collecting images.
> j.i.c. I either circle around them or make rude gestures depending on my
> mood that day.
>

I have always pissed at such rude intrusions. Even in teenage years I
did that. I feel I should piss on them.

I pissed on the memorial wall in Washington on which Vietnam vets names
were carved. It was around mid 1980s when I was there. No cameras like
these days.

In Iran I did that on signs posted on everything that was made Shah's
property by just saying so, especially lands and mountains, etc.

You've got to piss on them!