'Repeating Debunked Accusations About Trump Doesn't Make Them True'

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'My wife was working near our Trump yard sign. It didn't take long for a
bicyclist to to yell, "Trump sucks!" At least he didn't call her a
racist, fascist, or a Nazi as he whizzed by.

The same can't be said of President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala
Harris, or any number of members of Congress and the media who disparage
Donald Trump with these insults. At a recent hearing, Congresswoman
Stacey Plaskett called Trump a "would-be Fuhrer." Some neighbors who
support Trump are afraid of putting up yard signs for fear Trump haters
will allow their dogs to poop on their lawns. Some Trump supporters
won't answer polling questions about their support for Trump; that's why
polls probably underestimate Trump's support.

There isn't room here to debunk all the false claims brought against
Trump. Some, like Russia collusion and the Steele dossier, have already
been shown to be Democratic dirty tricks. A few, however, are so untrue
that they deserve rebuttal.

In the lead-up to the 2020 election, all eyes are on Iowa. Get updates
of all things Iowa politics delivered to your inbox.

Trump did not call white supremacists "very fine people" during the
Charlottesville demonstrations about removing Robert E. Lee's statue.
Harris has made this charge so often that she must think that by
repeating it often enough it becomes true. The sad fact is that when
people keep hearing things that are demonstrably false some believe
them. Trump said there were "very fine people" on both sides of
removing Robert E Lee's statue, not that white supremacists were fine
people. Liberal-leaning fact checker Snopes reports that the charge is
false.

Similarly, the smear from a story in The Atlantic that Trump once called
U.S. troops "suckers" for their sacrifices is not credible. The article
quoted anonymous sources. Later, Trump's former chief of staff, Marine
Gen. John Kelly, repeated the charge. Again, Snopes fact-checked this
hoax: "In sum, the claim stemmed from a story by The Atlantic, which
relied on anonymous, second-hand reports of Trump's alleged words; there
was no independent footage or documented proof to substantiate the
in-question comments; and Trump vehemently denies that he once called
service members 'losers' and 'suckers.' While it was certainly possible
that he said those things, Snopes was unable to independently verify the
claim, Kelly has never claimed he heard Trump say this smear."

Former President Donald J. Trump delivers remarks at Dodge County
Airport on Sunday October 6, 2024 in Juneau, Wis.
Former President Donald J. Trump delivers remarks at Dodge County
Airport on Sunday October 6, 2024 in Juneau, Wis.
© Jovanny Hernandez / Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
And the charges that Trump is fascist? Fascism is a far-right form of
government in which most of the country's power is held by one ruler or
a small group under a single party. Fascism is usually totalitarian and
includes nationalism, authoritarianism, ethnic purity, antisemitism and
militarism.

First, Trump has been a strong supporter of Israel and his daughter's
husband, Jared Kushner, is Jewish. Trump is credited with engineering
the the Abraham Accords, normalizing relations between Israel and the
United Arab Emirates and Bahrain. Comparing him with Hitler is absurd.
If anything, Trump is less militaristic in his positions than Harris,
for example, in Ukraine.

Did Trump contest the 2020 election? Yes. Did he call for an
insurrection? No. He specifically told the Jan. 6 rally at Capitol Hill
to "be peaceful." He contends he tried to get more security for the
rally before it occurred. According to the New York Times, Democrats
have been shameless about contesting presidential votes, too, objecting
to counting electoral totals in 2000, 2004 and 2016.

Trump did not act as an authoritarian in his first administration.
Despite Hillary Clinton's clear violation of U.S. law concerning
top-secret memos going to her private server, Trump declined to pursue
further investigation into her emails. Contrast that with special
counsel Jack Smith's staffers visiting the White House and meeting with
Biden staffers before Trump's indictment. Longtime Department of Justice
official Matthew Colangelo played a critical role in Trump's indictment
in New York City.

What are the facts on abortion? Harris has claimed that Trump would sign
a national abortion ban if he becomes president. To the contrary, Trump
has explicitly said that he would not sign such a bill. He personally
supports allowing abortion in cases of rape, incest and when life of the
mother is at risk. During his debate with Harris, he said, "Many states
will be different, Many will have a different number of weeks or some
will be more conservative than others and that's where they will be. At
the end of the day it's about the will of the people." In fact his
position on abortion has disappointed some in the pro-life community.

Do yard signs make a difference? Political scientists say they make
small difference and in close elections a small difference can be a
deciding factor. I put up our yard sign because I am not afraid to show
that I am voting for Trump. I supported someone else in the Iowa
Caucuses and wrote to decry the choice between Trump and Biden. As I
wrote in the Register, I find both Trump and Harris flawed.

However, I am voting for Trump because I agree with him on the issues.
Polls indicate that much of the public does, too. Harris has flipped her
positions on issues, especially the border. I take her at her word that
her "values" haven't changed. That is exactly what worries me! As Sen.
Bernie Sanders says, "I don't think she is abandoning her ideals. I
think she is trying to be pragmatic and doing what she thinks is right
in order to win the election." And if she is elected I expect her to
drop her new positions and revert to her former policies because they
are in line with her "values."

On 11 Oct 2024, John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> posted some
news:9qajgjdk7ivfij4nns953pp25d7s9pflne@4ax.com:

> 'Repeating Debunked Accusations About Trump Doesn't Make Them True'
>
><https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/opinion-repeating-debunked-accu
>sations-about-trump-doesnt-make-them-true/ar-AA1rPyrC>
>
> 'My wife was working near our Trump yard sign. It didn't take long for
> a bicyclist to to yell, "Trump sucks!" At least he didn't call her a
> racist, fascist, or a Nazi as he whizzed by.
>
> The same can't be said of President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala
> Harris, or any number of members of Congress and the media who
> disparage Donald Trump with these insults. At a recent hearing,
> Congresswoman Stacey Plaskett called Trump a "would-be Fuhrer." Some
> neighbors who support Trump are afraid of putting up yard signs for
> fear Trump haters will allow their dogs to poop on their lawns. Some
> Trump supporters won't answer polling questions about their support
> for Trump; that's why polls probably underestimate Trump's support.
>
> There isn't room here to debunk all the false claims brought against
> Trump. Some, like Russia collusion and the Steele dossier, have
> already been shown to be Democratic dirty tricks. A few, however, are
> so untrue that they deserve rebuttal.
>
> In the lead-up to the 2020 election, all eyes are on Iowa. Get updates
> of all things Iowa politics delivered to your inbox.
>
> Trump did not call white supremacists "very fine people" during the
> Charlottesville demonstrations about removing Robert E. Lee's statue.
> Harris has made this charge so often that she must think that by
> repeating it often enough it becomes true. The sad fact is that when
> people keep hearing things that are demonstrably false some believe
> them. Trump said there were "very fine people" on both sides of
> removing Robert E Lee's statue, not that white supremacists were fine
> people. Liberal-leaning fact checker Snopes reports that the charge is
> false.
>
> Similarly, the smear from a story in The Atlantic that Trump once
> called U.S. troops "suckers" for their sacrifices is not credible.
> The article quoted anonymous sources. Later, Trump's former chief of
> staff, Marine Gen. John Kelly, repeated the charge. Again, Snopes
> fact-checked this hoax: "In sum, the claim stemmed from a story by The
> Atlantic, which relied on anonymous, second-hand reports of Trump's
> alleged words; there was no independent footage or documented proof to
> substantiate the in-question comments; and Trump vehemently denies
> that he once called service members 'losers' and 'suckers.' While it
> was certainly possible that he said those things, Snopes was unable to
> independently verify the claim, Kelly has never claimed he heard Trump
> say this smear."
>
>
> Former President Donald J. Trump delivers remarks at Dodge County
> Airport on Sunday October 6, 2024 in Juneau, Wis.
> Former President Donald J. Trump delivers remarks at Dodge County
> Airport on Sunday October 6, 2024 in Juneau, Wis.
> © Jovanny Hernandez / Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
> And the charges that Trump is fascist? Fascism is a far-right form of
> government in which most of the country's power is held by one ruler
> or a small group under a single party. Fascism is usually totalitarian
> and includes nationalism, authoritarianism, ethnic purity,
> antisemitism and militarism.
>
> First, Trump has been a strong supporter of Israel and his daughter's
> husband, Jared Kushner, is Jewish. Trump is credited with engineering
> the the Abraham Accords, normalizing relations between Israel and the
> United Arab Emirates and Bahrain. Comparing him with Hitler is absurd.
> If anything, Trump is less militaristic in his positions than Harris,
> for example, in Ukraine.
>
> Did Trump contest the 2020 election? Yes. Did he call for an
> insurrection? No. He specifically told the Jan. 6 rally at Capitol
> Hill to "be peaceful." He contends he tried to get more security for
> the rally before it occurred. According to the New York Times,
> Democrats have been shameless about contesting presidential votes,
> too, objecting to counting electoral totals in 2000, 2004 and 2016.
>
> Trump did not act as an authoritarian in his first administration.
> Despite Hillary Clinton's clear violation of U.S. law concerning
> top-secret memos going to her private server, Trump declined to pursue
> further investigation into her emails. Contrast that with special
> counsel Jack Smith's staffers visiting the White House and meeting
> with Biden staffers before Trump's indictment. Longtime Department of
> Justice official Matthew Colangelo played a critical role in Trump's
> indictment in New York City.
>
> What are the facts on abortion? Harris has claimed that Trump would
> sign a national abortion ban if he becomes president. To the contrary,
> Trump has explicitly said that he would not sign such a bill. He
> personally supports allowing abortion in cases of rape, incest and
> when life of the mother is at risk. During his debate with Harris, he
> said, "Many states will be different, Many will have a different
> number of weeks or some will be more conservative than others and
> that's where they will be. At the end of the day it's about the will
> of the people." In fact his position on abortion has disappointed some
> in the pro-life community.
>
> Do yard signs make a difference? Political scientists say they make
> small difference and in close elections a small difference can be a
> deciding factor. I put up our yard sign because I am not afraid to
> show that I am voting for Trump. I supported someone else in the Iowa
> Caucuses and wrote to decry the choice between Trump and Biden. As I
> wrote in the Register, I find both Trump and Harris flawed.
>
> However, I am voting for Trump because I agree with him on the issues.
> Polls indicate that much of the public does, too. Harris has flipped
> her positions on issues, especially the border. I take her at her word
> that her "values" haven't changed. That is exactly what worries me!
> As Sen. Bernie Sanders says, "I don't think she is abandoning her
> ideals. I think she is trying to be pragmatic and doing what she
> thinks is right in order to win the election." And if she is elected I
> expect her to drop her new positions and revert to her former policies
> because they are in line with her "values."

What values?

On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 00:24:26 -0000 (UTC), slothe <slothe@netcom.com> wrote:

>On 11 Oct 2024, John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> posted some
>news:9qajgjdk7ivfij4nns953pp25d7s9pflne@4ax.com:
>
>> 'Repeating Debunked Accusations About Trump Doesn't Make Them True'
>>
>><https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/opinion-repeating-debunked-accu
>>sations-about-trump-doesnt-make-them-true/ar-AA1rPyrC>
>>
>> 'My wife was working near our Trump yard sign. It didn't take long for
>> a bicyclist to to yell, "Trump sucks!" At least he didn't call her a
>> racist, fascist, or a Nazi as he whizzed by.
>>
>> The same can't be said of President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala
>> Harris, or any number of members of Congress and the media who
>> disparage Donald Trump with these insults. At a recent hearing,
>> Congresswoman Stacey Plaskett called Trump a "would-be Fuhrer." Some
>> neighbors who support Trump are afraid of putting up yard signs for
>> fear Trump haters will allow their dogs to poop on their lawns. Some
>> Trump supporters won't answer polling questions about their support
>> for Trump; that's why polls probably underestimate Trump's support.
>>
>> There isn't room here to debunk all the false claims brought against
>> Trump. Some, like Russia collusion and the Steele dossier, have
>> already been shown to be Democratic dirty tricks. A few, however, are
>> so untrue that they deserve rebuttal.
>>
>> In the lead-up to the 2020 election, all eyes are on Iowa. Get updates
>> of all things Iowa politics delivered to your inbox.
>>
>> Trump did not call white supremacists "very fine people" during the
>> Charlottesville demonstrations about removing Robert E. Lee's statue.
>> Harris has made this charge so often that she must think that by
>> repeating it often enough it becomes true. The sad fact is that when
>> people keep hearing things that are demonstrably false some believe
>> them. Trump said there were "very fine people" on both sides of
>> removing Robert E Lee's statue, not that white supremacists were fine
>> people. Liberal-leaning fact checker Snopes reports that the charge is
>> false.
>>
>> Similarly, the smear from a story in The Atlantic that Trump once
>> called U.S. troops "suckers" for their sacrifices is not credible.
>> The article quoted anonymous sources. Later, Trump's former chief of
>> staff, Marine Gen. John Kelly, repeated the charge. Again, Snopes
>> fact-checked this hoax: "In sum, the claim stemmed from a story by The
>> Atlantic, which relied on anonymous, second-hand reports of Trump's
>> alleged words; there was no independent footage or documented proof to
>> substantiate the in-question comments; and Trump vehemently denies
>> that he once called service members 'losers' and 'suckers.' While it
>> was certainly possible that he said those things, Snopes was unable to
>> independently verify the claim, Kelly has never claimed he heard Trump
>> say this smear."
>>
>>
>> Former President Donald J. Trump delivers remarks at Dodge County
>> Airport on Sunday October 6, 2024 in Juneau, Wis.
>> Former President Donald J. Trump delivers remarks at Dodge County
>> Airport on Sunday October 6, 2024 in Juneau, Wis.
>> © Jovanny Hernandez / Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
>> And the charges that Trump is fascist? Fascism is a far-right form of
>> government in which most of the country's power is held by one ruler
>> or a small group under a single party. Fascism is usually totalitarian
>> and includes nationalism, authoritarianism, ethnic purity,
>> antisemitism and militarism.
>>
>> First, Trump has been a strong supporter of Israel and his daughter's
>> husband, Jared Kushner, is Jewish. Trump is credited with engineering
>> the the Abraham Accords, normalizing relations between Israel and the
>> United Arab Emirates and Bahrain. Comparing him with Hitler is absurd.
>> If anything, Trump is less militaristic in his positions than Harris,
>> for example, in Ukraine.
>>
>> Did Trump contest the 2020 election? Yes. Did he call for an
>> insurrection? No. He specifically told the Jan. 6 rally at Capitol
>> Hill to "be peaceful." He contends he tried to get more security for
>> the rally before it occurred. According to the New York Times,
>> Democrats have been shameless about contesting presidential votes,
>> too, objecting to counting electoral totals in 2000, 2004 and 2016.
>>
>> Trump did not act as an authoritarian in his first administration.
>> Despite Hillary Clinton's clear violation of U.S. law concerning
>> top-secret memos going to her private server, Trump declined to pursue
>> further investigation into her emails. Contrast that with special
>> counsel Jack Smith's staffers visiting the White House and meeting
>> with Biden staffers before Trump's indictment. Longtime Department of
>> Justice official Matthew Colangelo played a critical role in Trump's
>> indictment in New York City.
>>
>> What are the facts on abortion? Harris has claimed that Trump would
>> sign a national abortion ban if he becomes president. To the contrary,
>> Trump has explicitly said that he would not sign such a bill. He
>> personally supports allowing abortion in cases of rape, incest and
>> when life of the mother is at risk. During his debate with Harris, he
>> said, "Many states will be different, Many will have a different
>> number of weeks or some will be more conservative than others and
>> that's where they will be. At the end of the day it's about the will
>> of the people." In fact his position on abortion has disappointed some
>> in the pro-life community.
>>
>> Do yard signs make a difference? Political scientists say they make
>> small difference and in close elections a small difference can be a
>> deciding factor. I put up our yard sign because I am not afraid to
>> show that I am voting for Trump. I supported someone else in the Iowa
>> Caucuses and wrote to decry the choice between Trump and Biden. As I
>> wrote in the Register, I find both Trump and Harris flawed.
>>
>> However, I am voting for Trump because I agree with him on the issues.
>> Polls indicate that much of the public does, too. Harris has flipped
>> her positions on issues, especially the border. I take her at her word
>> that her "values" haven't changed. That is exactly what worries me!
>> As Sen. Bernie Sanders says, "I don't think she is abandoning her
>> ideals. I think she is trying to be pragmatic and doing what she
>> thinks is right in order to win the election." And if she is elected I
>> expect her to drop her new positions and revert to her former policies
>> because they are in line with her "values."
>
>What values?

Trump has values?

--
Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

Four more reasons to not vote for Trump in 21 days.

46) Trump tried to shut down the Mueller investigation by ordering
White House counsel Don McGahn to fire Mueller. McGahn refused
because that would be criminal obstruction of justice.

47) Trump ordered his staff not to turn over emails showing Don Jr.
had set up a meeting at Trump Tower before the 2016 election with
representatives of the Russian government.

48) Trump convinced Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about Trump's
plans to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, and Cohen served prison
time for lying to Congress.

49) Trump was not charged for criminal obstruction of justice
because it's the Justice Department's policy not to indict a
sitting president. But more than a thousand former federal
prosecutors who served under both Republicans and Democrats
signed a letter declaring there was more than enough evidence
to prosecute Trump.

John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:

> And if she is elected I expect her to
> drop her new positions and revert to her former policies because they
> are in line with her "values."

So, same as Trump? I don’t remember him keeping his promises.

On Oct 17, 2024 at 5:24:32 PM MST, "D. Ray" wrote
<EURXZHQwceRMUuRfvhVZBUWNPnUAAkKx@news.usenet.farm>:

> John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And if she is elected I expect her to
>> drop her new positions and revert to her former policies because they
>> are in line with her "values."
>
> So, same as Trump? I don’t remember him keeping his promises.

Trump made a lot of big promises during his presidency, but the reality of his
achievements was a mixed bag, with quite a few falling short. Here’s a rundown
with a sharper critique:

Promises Kept (with controversy):

1. Tax Cuts: Trump passed the 2017 tax law, which mainly benefited
corporations and the wealthy. While he claimed it would help the middle class,
the long-term benefits for average Americans were questionable, with many
seeing little change or higher deficits instead.
2. Supreme Court Appointments: Yes, he appointed three conservative
justices, but the process was highly divisive. His rush to appoint Amy Coney
Barrett right before the 2020 election especially highlighted his disregard
for consistency, considering the GOP blocked Obama’s pick in 2016 with much
more time before that election.
3. Deregulation: Trump boasted about cutting regulations, especially
environmental protections. But this deregulation often prioritized businesses
at the expense of the environment, rolling back decades of progress on climate
change and clean air protections.
4. Embassy Move to Jerusalem: Trump followed through on his promise to
move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, but this inflamed tensions in the Middle
East without achieving any real progress toward peace.
5. Criminal Justice Reform: While the First Step Act was a genuine
success, it was a rare bipartisan effort where Trump could easily take credit.
Beyond that, he did little to address broader issues of criminal justice
reform and often resorted to harsh “law and order” rhetoric.

Promises Broken or Unfulfilled (and bigger failures):

1. Repealing and Replacing Obamacare: For all his bluster about
dismantling Obamacare, Trump failed to deliver. Multiple attempts to repeal it
went nowhere, and he never came up with a real replacement plan, leaving
millions of Americans in healthcare limbo.
2. Mexico Paying for the Wall: This was one of his most famous promises,
and it was a complete failure. Not only did Mexico not pay for the wall, but
U.S. taxpayers footed the bill for the sections that were built—many of which
replaced existing barriers.
3. Trade Deficit Reduction: His trade war with China did more harm than
good, leading to tariffs that hurt American farmers and consumers while barely
making a dent in the trade deficit. The chaos in trade policy often created
more problems than it solved.
4. Draining the Swamp: Far from “draining the swamp,” Trump filled his
administration with lobbyists, insiders, and his own family members. His
administration saw multiple scandals and resignations, further proving that
the swamp was as murky as ever under his leadership.
5. Balancing the Budget: Trump’s fiscal promises were wildly
unrealistic. Not only did he not balance the budget, but he also oversaw one
of the largest expansions of the national debt in history, even before the
pandemic hit.
6. Infrastructure Plan: Trump repeatedly promised a massive
infrastructure plan—often referred to as “Infrastructure Week”—to rebuild
America’s roads, bridges, and airports. It became a running joke because,
despite constant talk, no major infrastructure bill materialized during his
term. His administration never got past vague proposals and photo ops, leaving
America’s crumbling infrastructure largely untouched.
7. Bringing Back Manufacturing Jobs: Trump promised to revive American
manufacturing and bring jobs back from overseas. While some jobs returned, the
overall impact was limited, and many manufacturing sectors continued to
shrink. His trade wars and tariffs also hurt American farmers and
manufacturers, especially in the Midwest, resulting in layoffs and increased
costs.
8. Middle-Class Tax Relief: Trump’s 2017 tax cut disproportionately
benefited corporations and the wealthy, despite his promises of massive tax
relief for the middle class. In the end, the middle class saw limited gains,
and much of the economic windfall went to stock buybacks and executive
bonuses, rather than wage increases or job growth.
9. Defeating ISIS “Quickly”: Trump claimed he would defeat ISIS quickly,
but while the territorial caliphate was dismantled, the underlying extremist
threat remains. His hasty withdrawal from Syria created chaos, abandoned
Kurdish allies, and allowed ISIS remnants to regroup, leaving a security
vacuum in the region.
10. Fixing Veterans’ Affairs: Trump promised to overhaul the VA and
improve healthcare for veterans. While some reforms were made, many veterans
continued to report poor care and long wait times. His efforts didn’t solve
the systemic issues plaguing the department, and his administration was rocked
by internal VA scandals, including the firing of his first VA secretary amid
allegations of misuse of funds.
11. Reducing the National Debt: Trump famously claimed he would
eliminate the national debt within eight years. Instead, the national debt
soared by trillions of dollars during his presidency, largely due to his tax
cuts, increased military spending, and ballooning deficits—even before the
COVID-19 pandemic further strained the budget.

Additional Failures or Disappointments:

• COVID-19 Response: Trump’s mishandling of the pandemic was perhaps his
biggest failure. His downplaying of the virus, mixed messaging, and lack of a
coordinated federal response contributed to a much higher death toll and
deeper economic damage than necessary. While he touted Operation Warp Speed’s
role in developing vaccines, his refusal to fully endorse mask-wearing,
testing, and shutdown measures caused widespread confusion and worsened the
crisis.
• Repealing the Iran Nuclear Deal: Trump pulled out of the Iran nuclear
deal, claiming he would negotiate a better one. Instead, tensions with Iran
escalated, and no new deal was reached. The region became more unstable, with
Iran ramping up its nuclear activities as a result of Trump’s withdrawal.
• Unity and Division: Trump promised to be a president for all
Americans, but his presidency was one of the most divisive in modern history.
He constantly stoked culture wars, inflamed racial tensions, and governed
primarily to please his base rather than bringing the country together. His
handling of events like the Charlottesville rally and the George Floyd
protests only deepened the divisions.

Trump was a master at making grand promises, but the follow-through was often
lacking. Many of his “achievements” were more about optics and self-promotion
than real progress for most Americans. His presidency left the country more
divided, with many promises either unfulfilled or causing more harm than good.

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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

In article <EURXZHQwceRMUuRfvhVZBUWNPnUAAkKx@news.usenet.farm>, d@ray
says...
>
> John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > And if she is elected I expect her to
> > drop her new positions and revert to her former policies because they
> > are in line with her "values."
>
> So, same as Trump? I don?t remember him keeping his promises.

BUTWHATABOUT!

On 18 Oct 2024 01:28:03 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Oct 17, 2024 at 5:24:32?PM MST, "D. Ray" wrote
><EURXZHQwceRMUuRfvhVZBUWNPnUAAkKx@news.usenet.farm>:
>
>> John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And if she is elected I expect her to
>>> drop her new positions and revert to her former policies because they
>>> are in line with her "values."
>>
>> So, same as Trump? I don’t remember him keeping his promises.
>
>Trump made a lot of big promises during his presidency, but the reality of his
>achievements was a mixed bag, with quite a few falling short. Here’s a rundown
>with a sharper critique:
>
>Promises Kept (with controversy):
>
> 1. Tax Cuts: Trump passed the 2017 tax law, which mainly benefited
>corporations and the wealthy. While he claimed it would help the middle class,
>the long-term benefits for average Americans were questionable, with many
>seeing little change or higher deficits instead.
> 2. Supreme Court Appointments: Yes, he appointed three conservative
>justices, but the process was highly divisive. His rush to appoint Amy Coney
>Barrett right before the 2020 election especially highlighted his disregard
>for consistency, considering the GOP blocked Obama’s pick in 2016 with much
>more time before that election.
> 3. Deregulation: Trump boasted about cutting regulations, especially
>environmental protections. But this deregulation often prioritized businesses
>at the expense of the environment, rolling back decades of progress on climate
>change and clean air protections.
> 4. Embassy Move to Jerusalem: Trump followed through on his promise to
>move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, but this inflamed tensions in the Middle
>East without achieving any real progress toward peace.
> 5. Criminal Justice Reform: While the First Step Act was a genuine
>success, it was a rare bipartisan effort where Trump could easily take credit.
>Beyond that, he did little to address broader issues of criminal justice
>reform and often resorted to harsh “law and order” rhetoric.
>
>Promises Broken or Unfulfilled (and bigger failures):
>
> 1. Repealing and Replacing Obamacare: For all his bluster about
>dismantling Obamacare, Trump failed to deliver. Multiple attempts to repeal it
>went nowhere, and he never came up with a real replacement plan, leaving
>millions of Americans in healthcare limbo.
> 2. Mexico Paying for the Wall: This was one of his most famous promises,
>and it was a complete failure. Not only did Mexico not pay for the wall, but
>U.S. taxpayers footed the bill for the sections that were built—many of which
>replaced existing barriers.
> 3. Trade Deficit Reduction: His trade war with China did more harm than
>good, leading to tariffs that hurt American farmers and consumers while barely
>making a dent in the trade deficit. The chaos in trade policy often created
>more problems than it solved.
> 4. Draining the Swamp: Far from “draining the swamp,” Trump filled his
>administration with lobbyists, insiders, and his own family members. His
>administration saw multiple scandals and resignations, further proving that
>the swamp was as murky as ever under his leadership.
> 5. Balancing the Budget: Trump’s fiscal promises were wildly
>unrealistic. Not only did he not balance the budget, but he also oversaw one
>of the largest expansions of the national debt in history, even before the
>pandemic hit.
> 6. Infrastructure Plan: Trump repeatedly promised a massive
>infrastructure plan—often referred to as “Infrastructure Week”—to rebuild
>America’s roads, bridges, and airports. It became a running joke because,
>despite constant talk, no major infrastructure bill materialized during his
>term. His administration never got past vague proposals and photo ops, leaving
>America’s crumbling infrastructure largely untouched.
> 7. Bringing Back Manufacturing Jobs: Trump promised to revive American
>manufacturing and bring jobs back from overseas. While some jobs returned, the
>overall impact was limited, and many manufacturing sectors continued to
>shrink. His trade wars and tariffs also hurt American farmers and
>manufacturers, especially in the Midwest, resulting in layoffs and increased
>costs.
> 8. Middle-Class Tax Relief: Trump’s 2017 tax cut disproportionately
>benefited corporations and the wealthy, despite his promises of massive tax
>relief for the middle class. In the end, the middle class saw limited gains,
>and much of the economic windfall went to stock buybacks and executive
>bonuses, rather than wage increases or job growth.
> 9. Defeating ISIS “Quickly”: Trump claimed he would defeat ISIS quickly,
>but while the territorial caliphate was dismantled, the underlying extremist
>threat remains. His hasty withdrawal from Syria created chaos, abandoned
>Kurdish allies, and allowed ISIS remnants to regroup, leaving a security
>vacuum in the region.
> 10. Fixing Veterans’ Affairs: Trump promised to overhaul the VA and
>improve healthcare for veterans. While some reforms were made, many veterans
>continued to report poor care and long wait times. His efforts didn’t solve
>the systemic issues plaguing the department, and his administration was rocked
>by internal VA scandals, including the firing of his first VA secretary amid
>allegations of misuse of funds.
> 11. Reducing the National Debt: Trump famously claimed he would
>eliminate the national debt within eight years. Instead, the national debt
>soared by trillions of dollars during his presidency, largely due to his tax
>cuts, increased military spending, and ballooning deficits—even before the
>COVID-19 pandemic further strained the budget.
>
>Additional Failures or Disappointments:
>
> • COVID-19 Response: Trump’s mishandling of the pandemic was perhaps his
>biggest failure. His downplaying of the virus, mixed messaging, and lack of a
>coordinated federal response contributed to a much higher death toll and
>deeper economic damage than necessary. While he touted Operation Warp Speed’s
>role in developing vaccines, his refusal to fully endorse mask-wearing,
>testing, and shutdown measures caused widespread confusion and worsened the
>crisis.
> • Repealing the Iran Nuclear Deal: Trump pulled out of the Iran nuclear
>deal, claiming he would negotiate a better one. Instead, tensions with Iran
>escalated, and no new deal was reached. The region became more unstable, with
>Iran ramping up its nuclear activities as a result of Trump’s withdrawal.
> • Unity and Division: Trump promised to be a president for all
>Americans, but his presidency was one of the most divisive in modern history.
>He constantly stoked culture wars, inflamed racial tensions, and governed
>primarily to please his base rather than bringing the country together. His
>handling of events like the Charlottesville rally and the George Floyd
>protests only deepened the divisions.
>
>Trump was a master at making grand promises, but the follow-through was often
>lacking. Many of his “achievements” were more about optics and self-promotion
>than real progress for most Americans. His presidency left the country more
>divided, with many promises either unfulfilled or causing more harm than good.

Donald Trump left office with the lowest approval ratings of any President ever.
Here are 75 of the reasons why, but, honestly, there's so much more! From
exchanging love letters with North Korea's brutal dictator... "We fell in love."
to publicly denigrating a Gold Star military widow and making her cry, to the
way he attacked journalists, to late night tweet binges (Cofeve!).
Look, I can understand why a lot of people want to block all of this out of
their memories, but we cannot afford to forget just how terrible Trump’s time at
the White House was for this nation. And we sure as hell can’t afford to put
him back there.
So, in no particular order:
01) Trump fueled division and sparked record numbers of hate crimes such as
Charlottesville and supporters beating a homeless man.
02) Murder went way up under Trump. He presided over the largest ever single
year increase in homicides in 2020.
03) Gun sales broke records under Trump.
04) Under Trump, America suffered over 1,700 mass shootings.

05) Trump said there were very fine people among the neo-Nazis in
Charlottesville.
06) Trump allied himself with the Proud Boys, a violent hate group who
helped organize the attack on the Capitol. "Proud Boys, stand back and stand
by."

07) Trump's extreme conservative judicial appointments. 1 in 3 American women
now live in a state with an abortion ban.
08) One of Trump's SCOTUS nominees, Bret Kavanaugh, was accused of sexual
assault by multiple women. The only other SCOTUS justice to be so accused was
Clarence Thomas, also a noted conservative.
09) Trump's FBI interfered with the investigation of Kavanaugh's alleged sexual
assaults.
10) Trump has been convicted of 34 felonies while in office.
11) Trump's failed pandemic response caused the needless deaths of hundreds of
thousands. By the time he left office, three thousand were dying every day.
12) Trump's White House scrapped the emergency pandemic playbook that had been
assembled by the Obama administration.
13) Trump disbanded the National Security Council's pandemic response team.
14) Trump repeatedly lied about the danger of covid saying it was no worse than
the flu or that it would go away on its own. But behind closed doors, Trump
admitted it was deadly.
15) Recommended Fake COVID cures like injecting disinfectant or
hydroxychloroquine. After the injection comments, poison centers received a
spike in calls.
16) Trump presided over a *net* loss of 2.9 million jobs. That's the worst
performance of any President, ever.
17) Trump profited personally off the Presidency making an estimated $160M from
foreign countries.
18) Trump billed the Secret Service over a million dollars when they stayed at
his golf clubs and resorts protecting him.
19) Trump caused the longest government shutdown in US history when he didn't
get funding for his border wall, which he said Mexico was going to pay for.
20) Trump increased the national debt by 40% in just four years.
21) Trump separated more than 5000 children from their parents at the border
with no plan to ever reunite them. Putting babies in cages without their
families.
22) The Muslim Ban.
23) Trump sparked international outrage by moving the American Embassy to
Jerusalem from Tel Aviv while closing the U.S.' Palestine office.
24) Trump tasked his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, with drafting a potential
Middle East peace plan with zero Palestinian input.
25) Trump recognized Israel's occupation of the Golan Heights, which is
considered illegal under international law.
26) Trump broke the law by trying to withhold nearly $400 million of U.S. aid
for Ukraine in an effort to extort a personal political favor from Ukraine's
President Zelensky. Trump wanted Zelensky to interfere in the 2020 election by
announcing an investigation into the Bidens. Delaying this aid to Ukraine
weakened Ukraine and strengthened Russia.
27) Trump personally attacked and ruined the careers of everyone who stood in
the way of his illegal Ukraine scheme, including Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch
and Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman.
28) To cover up the scheme, Trump ordered the White House and State Department
to defy congressional subpoenas.
29) For these reasons, on December 18th, 2019, Trump became the third U.S.
president to be impeached. He was charged with abuse of power and obstruction
of Congress.
30) Even while he was being investigated for trying to get Ukraine to interfere
in the U.S. election, Trump publicly called for China to interfere in the
election. Trump: "China should start an investigation into the Bidens."
31) Long before election day Trump started making false claims that the election
would be rigged.
32) After losing, Trump falsely claimed the election was stolen, even though
his own inner circle, including his campaign manager, White House lawyers, and
his own Justice Department, and attorney general told him it was not. Barr:
"The claims of fraud were bullsh*t."
33) Trump kept telling his Big Lie even after more than 60 legal challenges to
the election were struck down in court, many by Trump-appointed judges.
34) Trump ordered the Department of Justice to falsely claim that the election
was corrupt.
35) Trump and his allies used threats to pressure state leaders in Arizona and
Georgia to falsify the election results.
36) When none of the previous schemes worked, Trump and his allies produced
fake electoral votes cast by fake electors in multiple swing states.
37) Trump tried to bully Vice President Pence into obstructing the
certification of the election. "If Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the
election."
38) Trump invited a mob to the Capitol on January 6th with his “Be there, will
be wild!” tweet.
39) Sworn testimony alleges that when Trump was warned that members of the
crowd were carrying deadly weapons, he ordered security metal detectors to be
taken down.
40) Knowing the crowd had deadly weapons, he ordered them to go to the Capitol
and "Fight like hell!"
41) Trump betrayed his oath to defend the nation by doing nothing to stop the
January 6th violence. Instead, according to witness testimony, he sat and
watched TV — for hours!
42) On January 13th, 2021, Trump became the only president ever to be impeached
twice. This time, he was charged with incitement of insurrection. It was a
bipartisan vote. The majority of senators, 57 out of 100, voted to convict
Trump, including seven Republican senators.
43) Trump publicly sided with Putin over the U.S. intelligence community in
denying Russia's interference in the 2016 election.
44) In a likely obstruction of justice, Trump pressured then-FBI Director James
Comey to stop the FBI's investigation into Trump's national security adviser,
Michael Flynn. This was documented in the Mueller report.
45) When Comey didn't bend to Trump's will, Trump fired him.
46) Trump tried to shut down the Mueller investigation by ordering White House
counsel Don McGahn to fire Mueller. McGahn refused because that would be
criminal obstruction of justice.
47) Trump ordered his staff not to turn over emails showing Don Jr. had set up
a meeting at Trump Tower before the 2016 election with representatives of the
Russian government.
48) Trump convinced Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about Trump's plans to
build a Trump Tower in Moscow, and Cohen served prison time for lying to
Congress.
49) Trump was not charged for criminal obstruction of justice because it's the
Justice Department's policy not to indict a sitting president. But more than a
thousand former federal prosecutors who served under both Republicans and
Democrats signed a letter declaring there was more than enough evidence to
prosecute Trump.
50) Trump said he'd hire only the best people in the world. But his campaign
chair was convicted of multiple crimes. So was one of his closest associates.
His deputy campaign chair pleaded guilty to crimes. So did his personal lawyer,
his national security adviser, the chief financial officer of his business
campaign, a campaign foreign policy adviser, and one of his campaign
fundraisers. They all committed crimes and Trump pardoned most of them!
51) Trump said he'd drain the swamp in Washington, D.C. but he appointed more
billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls to his administration than any
administration in history.
52) Trump intervened to get his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, Top Secret clearance
after he was denied over concerns about foreign influence.
53) Trump hosted a Russian foreign minister in the Oval Office where Trump
revealed top secret intelligence.
54) Trump promised that the average American family would see a $4,000 pay
raise because of his tax cuts for the wealthy and big corporations. Well, how
did that work out? Did you get a $4,000 raise? Of course not! Nobody did!
55) Trump vowed to protect American jobs, but offshoring increased, and
manufacturing fell.
56) Trump said he would fix America's infrastructure but it never happened. He
announced so many failed “infrastructure weeks,” they became a running joke!
White House reporter, "Since it’s infrastructure week..." (Laughter is the
press room) (To Sarah Huckabee) "*Is* it infrastructure week?"
57) Trump said he would be “the voice” of American workers. (Trump "I am your
voice!") But he filled the National Labor Relations Board with anti-union
flacks who made it harder for workers to unionize.
58) Trump's Labor Department made it easier for bosses to get out of paying
workers overtime, which cheated 8 million workers of extra pay.
59) Trump repeatedly suggested he might serve more than two terms in violation
of the Constitution. And continues to do so! (Trump: "We may have to go for
an extra term."
60) Trump called Haiti and African nations “sh*thole countries.”
61) Trump tried to terminate DACA, which protects immigrants brought to the
U.S. as children. Luckily, this was struck down by the courts.
62) Trump called climate change a “HOAX.”
63) Trump pulled out of the Paris Climate Agreement.
64) Trump rolled back more than 100 environmental protections.
66) Every budget Trump proposed included cuts to Social Security and Medicare.
66) Trump tried — and failed — to repeal the Affordable Care Act, which would
have resulted in 20 million Americans losing insurance. And striking down the
ACA’s protections for the roughly 130 million people with preexisting conditions
could have driven up their insurance premiums or led to a loss of coverage.
67) Trump made it easier for employers to remove birth control coverage from
insurance plans.
68) By the end of Trump's term, the number of people lacking health insurance
had risen by 3 million.
69) Trump lied. Constantly! He made 30,573 false or misleading claims while
president an average of 21 a day, according to the Washington Post fact
checkers.
70) Trump allegedly took hundreds of classified documents on his way out of the
White House, reportedly including nuclear secrets, which he then left unsecured
in various parts of Mar-a-Lago —including a bathroom!
71)He was even caught on tape showing them off to people. (Trump: "Isn’t it
amazing? I have a big pile of papers...Except it is, like, highly confidential.
Secret. Look at this. See as president I could have declassified it. But now
I can’t.")
72: Trump seriously discussed the idea of nuking a hurricane.
73) When Hurricane Maria hit Puerto Rico, Trump delayed $20 billion of aid and
allowed Puerto Rico to be without power for 181 days.
74) Trump suggested withholding federal aid for California wildfire recovery,
and said the solution was to “clean the floors of the forest.”
75) Trump pulled out of the Iran deal, placing Iran on a path to developing
nuclear weapons.

On Oct 19, 2024 at 9:57:05 AM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<56p7hjhk198bdpo86civvbic4cgfmcm1eh@4ax.com>:

> On 18 Oct 2024 01:28:03 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 17, 2024 at 5:24:32?PM MST, "D. Ray" wrote
>> <EURXZHQwceRMUuRfvhVZBUWNPnUAAkKx@news.usenet.farm>:
>>
>>> John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> And if she is elected I expect her to
>>>> drop her new positions and revert to her former policies because they
>>>> are in line with her "values."
>>>
>>> So, same as Trump? I don’t remember him keeping his promises.
>>
>> Trump made a lot of big promises during his presidency, but the reality of his
>> achievements was a mixed bag, with quite a few falling short. Here’s a rundown
>> with a sharper critique:
>>
>> Promises Kept (with controversy):
>>
>> 1. Tax Cuts: Trump passed the 2017 tax law, which mainly benefited
>> corporations and the wealthy. While he claimed it would help the middle class,
>> the long-term benefits for average Americans were questionable, with many
>> seeing little change or higher deficits instead.
>> 2. Supreme Court Appointments: Yes, he appointed three conservative
>> justices, but the process was highly divisive. His rush to appoint Amy Coney
>> Barrett right before the 2020 election especially highlighted his disregard
>> for consistency, considering the GOP blocked Obama’s pick in 2016 with much
>> more time before that election.
>> 3. Deregulation: Trump boasted about cutting regulations, especially
>> environmental protections. But this deregulation often prioritized businesses
>> at the expense of the environment, rolling back decades of progress on climate
>> change and clean air protections.
>> 4. Embassy Move to Jerusalem: Trump followed through on his promise to
>> move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, but this inflamed tensions in the Middle
>> East without achieving any real progress toward peace.
>> 5. Criminal Justice Reform: While the First Step Act was a genuine
>> success, it was a rare bipartisan effort where Trump could easily take credit.
>> Beyond that, he did little to address broader issues of criminal justice
>> reform and often resorted to harsh “law and order” rhetoric.
>>
>> Promises Broken or Unfulfilled (and bigger failures):
>>
>> 1. Repealing and Replacing Obamacare: For all his bluster about
>> dismantling Obamacare, Trump failed to deliver. Multiple attempts to repeal it
>> went nowhere, and he never came up with a real replacement plan, leaving
>> millions of Americans in healthcare limbo.
>> 2. Mexico Paying for the Wall: This was one of his most famous promises,
>> and it was a complete failure. Not only did Mexico not pay for the wall, but
>> U.S. taxpayers footed the bill for the sections that were built—many of which
>> replaced existing barriers.
>> 3. Trade Deficit Reduction: His trade war with China did more harm than
>> good, leading to tariffs that hurt American farmers and consumers while barely
>> making a dent in the trade deficit. The chaos in trade policy often created
>> more problems than it solved.
>> 4. Draining the Swamp: Far from “draining the swamp,” Trump filled his
>> administration with lobbyists, insiders, and his own family members. His
>> administration saw multiple scandals and resignations, further proving that
>> the swamp was as murky as ever under his leadership.
>> 5. Balancing the Budget: Trump’s fiscal promises were wildly
>> unrealistic. Not only did he not balance the budget, but he also oversaw one
>> of the largest expansions of the national debt in history, even before the
>> pandemic hit.
>> 6. Infrastructure Plan: Trump repeatedly promised a massive
>> infrastructure plan—often referred to as “Infrastructure Week”—to rebuild
>> America’s roads, bridges, and airports. It became a running joke because,
>> despite constant talk, no major infrastructure bill materialized during his
>> term. His administration never got past vague proposals and photo ops, leaving
>> America’s crumbling infrastructure largely untouched.
>> 7. Bringing Back Manufacturing Jobs: Trump promised to revive American
>> manufacturing and bring jobs back from overseas. While some jobs returned, the
>> overall impact was limited, and many manufacturing sectors continued to
>> shrink. His trade wars and tariffs also hurt American farmers and
>> manufacturers, especially in the Midwest, resulting in layoffs and increased
>> costs.
>> 8. Middle-Class Tax Relief: Trump’s 2017 tax cut disproportionately
>> benefited corporations and the wealthy, despite his promises of massive tax
>> relief for the middle class. In the end, the middle class saw limited gains,
>> and much of the economic windfall went to stock buybacks and executive
>> bonuses, rather than wage increases or job growth.
>> 9. Defeating ISIS “Quickly”: Trump claimed he would defeat ISIS quickly,
>> but while the territorial caliphate was dismantled, the underlying extremist
>> threat remains. His hasty withdrawal from Syria created chaos, abandoned
>> Kurdish allies, and allowed ISIS remnants to regroup, leaving a security
>> vacuum in the region.
>> 10. Fixing Veterans’ Affairs: Trump promised to overhaul the VA and
>> improve healthcare for veterans. While some reforms were made, many veterans
>> continued to report poor care and long wait times. His efforts didn’t solve
>> the systemic issues plaguing the department, and his administration was rocked
>> by internal VA scandals, including the firing of his first VA secretary amid
>> allegations of misuse of funds.
>> 11. Reducing the National Debt: Trump famously claimed he would
>> eliminate the national debt within eight years. Instead, the national debt
>> soared by trillions of dollars during his presidency, largely due to his tax
>> cuts, increased military spending, and ballooning deficits—even before the
>> COVID-19 pandemic further strained the budget.
>>
>> Additional Failures or Disappointments:
>>
>> • COVID-19 Response: Trump’s mishandling of the pandemic was perhaps his
>> biggest failure. His downplaying of the virus, mixed messaging, and lack of a
>> coordinated federal response contributed to a much higher death toll and
>> deeper economic damage than necessary. While he touted Operation Warp Speed’s
>> role in developing vaccines, his refusal to fully endorse mask-wearing,
>> testing, and shutdown measures caused widespread confusion and worsened the
>> crisis.
>> • Repealing the Iran Nuclear Deal: Trump pulled out of the Iran nuclear
>> deal, claiming he would negotiate a better one. Instead, tensions with Iran
>> escalated, and no new deal was reached. The region became more unstable, with
>> Iran ramping up its nuclear activities as a result of Trump’s withdrawal.
>> • Unity and Division: Trump promised to be a president for all
>> Americans, but his presidency was one of the most divisive in modern history.
>> He constantly stoked culture wars, inflamed racial tensions, and governed
>> primarily to please his base rather than bringing the country together. His
>> handling of events like the Charlottesville rally and the George Floyd
>> protests only deepened the divisions.
>>
>> Trump was a master at making grand promises, but the follow-through was often
>> lacking. Many of his “achievements” were more about optics and self-promotion
>> than real progress for most Americans. His presidency left the country more
>> divided, with many promises either unfulfilled or causing more harm than good.
>
> Donald Trump left office with the lowest approval ratings of any President
> ever.
> Here are 75 of the reasons why, but, honestly, there's so much more! From
> exchanging love letters with North Korea's brutal dictator... "We fell in
> love."
> to publicly denigrating a Gold Star military widow and making her cry, to the
> way he attacked journalists, to late night tweet binges (Cofeve!).
> Look, I can understand why a lot of people want to block all of this out of
> their memories, but we cannot afford to forget just how terrible Trump’s time
> at
> the White House was for this nation. And we sure as hell can’t afford to put
> him back there.
> So, in no particular order:
> 01) Trump fueled division and sparked record numbers of hate crimes such as
> Charlottesville and supporters beating a homeless man.

In article <6713f247$3$1427964$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Oct 19, 2024 at 9:57:05 AM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
> <56p7hjhk198bdpo86civvbic4cgfmcm1eh@4ax.com>:
>
> > On 18 Oct 2024 01:28:03 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Oct 17, 2024 at 5:24:32?PM MST, "D. Ray" wrote
> >> <EURXZHQwceRMUuRfvhVZBUWNPnUAAkKx@news.usenet.farm>:
> >>
> >>> John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> And if she is elected I expect her to
> >>>> drop her new positions and revert to her former policies because they
> >>>> are in line with her "values."
> >>>
> >>> So, same as Trump? I don?t remember him keeping his promises.
> >>
> >> Trump made a lot of big promises during his presidency, but the reality of his
> >> achievements was a mixed bag, with quite a few falling short. Here?s a rundown
> >> with a sharper critique:
> >>
> >> Promises Kept (with controversy):
> >>
> >> 1. Tax Cuts: Trump passed the 2017 tax law, which mainly benefited
> >> corporations and the wealthy. While he claimed it would help the middle class,
> >> the long-term benefits for average Americans were questionable, with many
> >> seeing little change or higher deficits instead.
> >> 2. Supreme Court Appointments: Yes, he appointed three conservative
> >> justices, but the process was highly divisive. His rush to appoint Amy Coney
> >> Barrett right before the 2020 election especially highlighted his disregard
> >> for consistency, considering the GOP blocked Obama?s pick in 2016 with much
> >> more time before that election.
> >> 3. Deregulation: Trump boasted about cutting regulations, especially
> >> environmental protections. But this deregulation often prioritized businesses
> >> at the expense of the environment, rolling back decades of progress on climate
> >> change and clean air protections.
> >> 4. Embassy Move to Jerusalem: Trump followed through on his promise to
> >> move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, but this inflamed tensions in the Middle
> >> East without achieving any real progress toward peace.
> >> 5. Criminal Justice Reform: While the First Step Act was a genuine
> >> success, it was a rare bipartisan effort where Trump could easily take credit.
> >> Beyond that, he did little to address broader issues of criminal justice
> >> reform and often resorted to harsh ?law and order? rhetoric.
> >>
> >> Promises Broken or Unfulfilled (and bigger failures):
> >>
> >> 1. Repealing and Replacing Obamacare: For all his bluster about
> >> dismantling Obamacare, Trump failed to deliver. Multiple attempts to repeal it
> >> went nowhere, and he never came up with a real replacement plan, leaving
> >> millions of Americans in healthcare limbo.
> >> 2. Mexico Paying for the Wall: This was one of his most famous promises,
> >> and it was a complete failure. Not only did Mexico not pay for the wall, but
> >> U.S. taxpayers footed the bill for the sections that were built?many of which
> >> replaced existing barriers.
> >> 3. Trade Deficit Reduction: His trade war with China did more harm than
> >> good, leading to tariffs that hurt American farmers and consumers while barely
> >> making a dent in the trade deficit. The chaos in trade policy often created
> >> more problems than it solved.
> >> 4. Draining the Swamp: Far from ?draining the swamp,? Trump filled his
> >> administration with lobbyists, insiders, and his own family members. His
> >> administration saw multiple scandals and resignations, further proving that
> >> the swamp was as murky as ever under his leadership.
> >> 5. Balancing the Budget: Trump?s fiscal promises were wildly
> >> unrealistic. Not only did he not balance the budget, but he also oversaw one
> >> of the largest expansions of the national debt in history, even before the
> >> pandemic hit.
> >> 6. Infrastructure Plan: Trump repeatedly promised a massive
> >> infrastructure plan?often referred to as ?Infrastructure Week??to rebuild
> >> America?s roads, bridges, and airports. It became a running joke because,
> >> despite constant talk, no major infrastructure bill materialized during his
> >> term. His administration never got past vague proposals and photo ops, leaving
> >> America?s crumbling infrastructure largely untouched.
> >> 7. Bringing Back Manufacturing Jobs: Trump promised to revive American
> >> manufacturing and bring jobs back from overseas. While some jobs returned, the
> >> overall impact was limited, and many manufacturing sectors continued to
> >> shrink. His trade wars and tariffs also hurt American farmers and
> >> manufacturers, especially in the Midwest, resulting in layoffs and increased
> >> costs.
> >> 8. Middle-Class Tax Relief: Trump?s 2017 tax cut disproportionately
> >> benefited corporations and the wealthy, despite his promises of massive tax
> >> relief for the middle class. In the end, the middle class saw limited gains,
> >> and much of the economic windfall went to stock buybacks and executive
> >> bonuses, rather than wage increases or job growth.
> >> 9. Defeating ISIS ?Quickly?: Trump claimed he would defeat ISIS quickly,
> >> but while the territorial caliphate was dismantled, the underlying extremist
> >> threat remains. His hasty withdrawal from Syria created chaos, abandoned
> >> Kurdish allies, and allowed ISIS remnants to regroup, leaving a security
> >> vacuum in the region.
> >> 10. Fixing Veterans? Affairs: Trump promised to overhaul the VA and
> >> improve healthcare for veterans. While some reforms were made, many veterans
> >> continued to report poor care and long wait times. His efforts didn?t solve
> >> the systemic issues plaguing the department, and his administration was rocked
> >> by internal VA scandals, including the firing of his first VA secretary amid
> >> allegations of misuse of funds.
> >> 11. Reducing the National Debt: Trump famously claimed he would
> >> eliminate the national debt within eight years. Instead, the national debt
> >> soared by trillions of dollars during his presidency, largely due to his tax
> >> cuts, increased military spending, and ballooning deficits?even before the
> >> COVID-19 pandemic further strained the budget.
> >>
> >> Additional Failures or Disappointments:
> >>
> >> ? COVID-19 Response: Trump?s mishandling of the pandemic was perhaps his
> >> biggest failure. His downplaying of the virus, mixed messaging, and lack of a
> >> coordinated federal response contributed to a much higher death toll and
> >> deeper economic damage than necessary. While he touted Operation Warp Speed?s
> >> role in developing vaccines, his refusal to fully endorse mask-wearing,
> >> testing, and shutdown measures caused widespread confusion and worsened the
> >> crisis.
> >> ? Repealing the Iran Nuclear Deal: Trump pulled out of the Iran nuclear
> >> deal, claiming he would negotiate a better one. Instead, tensions with Iran
> >> escalated, and no new deal was reached. The region became more unstable, with
> >> Iran ramping up its nuclear activities as a result of Trump?s withdrawal.
> >> ? Unity and Division: Trump promised to be a president for all
> >> Americans, but his presidency was one of the most divisive in modern history.
> >> He constantly stoked culture wars, inflamed racial tensions, and governed
> >> primarily to please his base rather than bringing the country together. His
> >> handling of events like the Charlottesville rally and the George Floyd
> >> protests only deepened the divisions.
> >>
> >> Trump was a master at making grand promises, but the follow-through was often
> >> lacking. Many of his ?achievements? were more about optics and self-promotion
> >> than real progress for most Americans. His presidency left the country more
> >> divided, with many promises either unfulfilled or causing more harm than good.
> >
> > Donald Trump left office with the lowest approval ratings of any President
> > ever.
> > Here are 75 of the reasons why, but, honestly, there's so much more! From
> > exchanging love letters with North Korea's brutal dictator... "We fell in
> > love."
> > to publicly denigrating a Gold Star military widow and making her cry, to the
> > way he attacked journalists, to late night tweet binges (Cofeve!).
> > Look, I can understand why a lot of people want to block all of this out of
> > their memories, but we cannot afford to forget just how terrible Trump?s time
> > at
> > the White House was for this nation. And we sure as hell can?t afford to put
> > him back there.
> > So, in no particular order:
> > 01) Trump fueled division and sparked record numbers of hate crimes such as
> > Charlottesville and supporters beating a homeless man.
>
> And continues to push violence.
>
> > 02) Murder went way up under Trump. He presided over the largest ever single
> > year increase in homicides in 2020.
>
> Given his rhetoric this is not hard to believe.
>
> > 03) Gun sales broke records under Trump.
>
> Fear and hatred in the country will do that.
>
> > 04) Under Trump, America suffered over 1,700 mass shootings.
>
> How many in the 4 years before and after?
> >
> > 05) Trump said there were very fine people among the neo-Nazis in
> > Charlottesville.
>
> Some say this is out of context, but it was still a stupid thing to say.
>
> > 06) Trump allied himself with the Proud Boys, a violent hate group who
> > helped organize the attack on the Capitol. "Proud Boys, stand back and stand
> > by."
>
> Yup. Sadly they are big in areas not far from me.
> >
> > 07) Trump's extreme conservative judicial appointments. 1 in 3 American women
> > now live in a state with an abortion ban.
> > 08) One of Trump's SCOTUS nominees, Bret Kavanaugh, was accused of sexual
> > assault by multiple women. The only other SCOTUS justice to be so accused was
> > Clarence Thomas, also a noted conservative.
> > 09) Trump's FBI interfered with the investigation of Kavanaugh's alleged
> > sexual
> > assaults.
> > 10) Trump has been convicted of 34 felonies while in office.
> > 11) Trump's failed pandemic response caused the needless deaths of hundreds of
> > thousands. By the time he left office, three thousand were dying every day.
> > 12) Trump's White House scrapped the emergency pandemic playbook that had been
> > assembled by the Obama administration.
> > 13) Trump disbanded the National Security Council's pandemic response team.
> > 14) Trump repeatedly lied about the danger of covid saying it was no worse
> > than
> > the flu or that it would go away on its own. But behind closed doors, Trump
> > admitted it was deadly.
> > 15) Recommended Fake COVID cures like injecting disinfectant or
> > hydroxychloroquine. After the injection comments, poison centers received a
> > spike in calls.
> > 16) Trump presided over a *net* loss of 2.9 million jobs. That's the worst
> > performance of any President, ever.
> > 17) Trump profited personally off the Presidency making an estimated $160M
> > from
> > foreign countries.
> > 18) Trump billed the Secret Service over a million dollars when they stayed at
> > his golf clubs and resorts protecting him.
> > 19) Trump caused the longest government shutdown in US history when he didn't
> > get funding for his border wall, which he said Mexico was going to pay for.
> > 20) Trump increased the national debt by 40% in just four years.
> > 21) Trump separated more than 5000 children from their parents at the border
> > with no plan to ever reunite them. Putting babies in cages without their
> > families.
> > 22) The Muslim Ban.
> > 23) Trump sparked international outrage by moving the American Embassy to
> > Jerusalem from Tel Aviv while closing the U.S.' Palestine office.
> > 24) Trump tasked his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, with drafting a potential
> > Middle East peace plan with zero Palestinian input.
> > 25) Trump recognized Israel's occupation of the Golan Heights, which is
> > considered illegal under international law.
> > 26) Trump broke the law by trying to withhold nearly $400 million of U.S. aid
> > for Ukraine in an effort to extort a personal political favor from Ukraine's
> > President Zelensky. Trump wanted Zelensky to interfere in the 2020 election by
> > announcing an investigation into the Bidens. Delaying this aid to Ukraine
> > weakened Ukraine and strengthened Russia.
> > 27) Trump personally attacked and ruined the careers of everyone who stood in
> > the way of his illegal Ukraine scheme, including Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch
> > and Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman.
> > 28) To cover up the scheme, Trump ordered the White House and State Department
> > to defy congressional subpoenas.
> > 29) For these reasons, on December 18th, 2019, Trump became the third U.S.
> > president to be impeached. He was charged with abuse of power and obstruction
> > of Congress.
> > 30) Even while he was being investigated for trying to get Ukraine to
> > interfere
> > in the U.S. election, Trump publicly called for China to interfere in the
> > election. Trump: "China should start an investigation into the Bidens."
> > 31) Long before election day Trump started making false claims that the
> > election
> > would be rigged.
> > 32) After losing, Trump falsely claimed the election was stolen, even though
> > his own inner circle, including his campaign manager, White House lawyers, and
> > his own Justice Department, and attorney general told him it was not. Barr:
> > "The claims of fraud were bullsh*t."
> > 33) Trump kept telling his Big Lie even after more than 60 legal challenges to
> > the election were struck down in court, many by Trump-appointed judges.
> > 34) Trump ordered the Department of Justice to falsely claim that the election
> > was corrupt.
> > 35) Trump and his allies used threats to pressure state leaders in Arizona and
> > Georgia to falsify the election results.
> > 36) When none of the previous schemes worked, Trump and his allies produced
> > fake electoral votes cast by fake electors in multiple swing states.
> > 37) Trump tried to bully Vice President Pence into obstructing the
> > certification of the election. "If Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the
> > election."
> > 38) Trump invited a mob to the Capitol on January 6th with his ?Be there, will
> > be wild!? tweet.
> > 39) Sworn testimony alleges that when Trump was warned that members of the
> > crowd were carrying deadly weapons, he ordered security metal detectors to be
> > taken down.
> > 40) Knowing the crowd had deadly weapons, he ordered them to go to the Capitol
> > and "Fight like hell!"
> > 41) Trump betrayed his oath to defend the nation by doing nothing to stop the
> > January 6th violence. Instead, according to witness testimony, he sat and
> > watched TV ? for hours!
> > 42) On January 13th, 2021, Trump became the only president ever to be
> > impeached
> > twice. This time, he was charged with incitement of insurrection. It was a
> > bipartisan vote. The majority of senators, 57 out of 100, voted to convict
> > Trump, including seven Republican senators.
> > 43) Trump publicly sided with Putin over the U.S. intelligence community in
> > denying Russia's interference in the 2016 election.
> > 44) In a likely obstruction of justice, Trump pressured then-FBI Director
> > James
> > Comey to stop the FBI's investigation into Trump's national security adviser,
> > Michael Flynn. This was documented in the Mueller report.
> > 45) When Comey didn't bend to Trump's will, Trump fired him.
> > 46) Trump tried to shut down the Mueller investigation by ordering White House
> > counsel Don McGahn to fire Mueller. McGahn refused because that would be
> > criminal obstruction of justice.
> > 47) Trump ordered his staff not to turn over emails showing Don Jr. had set up
> > a meeting at Trump Tower before the 2016 election with representatives of the
> > Russian government.
> > 48) Trump convinced Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about Trump's plans to
> > build a Trump Tower in Moscow, and Cohen served prison time for lying to
> > Congress.
> > 49) Trump was not charged for criminal obstruction of justice because it's the
> > Justice Department's policy not to indict a sitting president. But more than a
> > thousand former federal prosecutors who served under both Republicans and
> > Democrats signed a letter declaring there was more than enough evidence to
> > prosecute Trump.
> > 50) Trump said he'd hire only the best people in the world. But his campaign
> > chair was convicted of multiple crimes. So was one of his closest associates.
> > His deputy campaign chair pleaded guilty to crimes. So did his personal
> > lawyer,
> > his national security adviser, the chief financial officer of his business
> > campaign, a campaign foreign policy adviser, and one of his campaign
> > fundraisers. They all committed crimes and Trump pardoned most of them!
> > 51) Trump said he'd drain the swamp in Washington, D.C. but he appointed more
> > billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls to his administration than any
> > administration in history.
> > 52) Trump intervened to get his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, Top Secret
> > clearance
> > after he was denied over concerns about foreign influence.
> > 53) Trump hosted a Russian foreign minister in the Oval Office where Trump
> > revealed top secret intelligence.
> > 54) Trump promised that the average American family would see a $4,000 pay
> > raise because of his tax cuts for the wealthy and big corporations. Well, how
> > did that work out? Did you get a $4,000 raise? Of course not! Nobody did!
> > 55) Trump vowed to protect American jobs, but offshoring increased, and
> > manufacturing fell.
> > 56) Trump said he would fix America's infrastructure but it never happened.
> > He
> > announced so many failed ?infrastructure weeks,? they became a running joke!
> > White House reporter, "Since it?s infrastructure week..." (Laughter is the
> > press room) (To Sarah Huckabee) "*Is* it infrastructure week?"
> > 57) Trump said he would be ?the voice? of American workers. (Trump "I am your
> > voice!") But he filled the National Labor Relations Board with anti-union
> > flacks who made it harder for workers to unionize.
> > 58) Trump's Labor Department made it easier for bosses to get out of paying
> > workers overtime, which cheated 8 million workers of extra pay.
> > 59) Trump repeatedly suggested he might serve more than two terms in violation
> > of the Constitution. And continues to do so! (Trump: "We may have to go for
> > an extra term."
> > 60) Trump called Haiti and African nations ?sh*thole countries.?
> > 61) Trump tried to terminate DACA, which protects immigrants brought to the
> > U.S. as children. Luckily, this was struck down by the courts.
> > 62) Trump called climate change a ?HOAX.?
> > 63) Trump pulled out of the Paris Climate Agreement.
> > 64) Trump rolled back more than 100 environmental protections.
> > 66) Every budget Trump proposed included cuts to Social Security and Medicare.
> > 66) Trump tried ? and failed ? to repeal the Affordable Care Act, which would
> > have resulted in 20 million Americans losing insurance. And striking down the
> > ACA?s protections for the roughly 130 million people with preexisting
> > conditions
> > could have driven up their insurance premiums or led to a loss of coverage.
> > 67) Trump made it easier for employers to remove birth control coverage from
> > insurance plans.
> > 68) By the end of Trump's term, the number of people lacking health insurance
> > had risen by 3 million.
> > 69) Trump lied. Constantly! He made 30,573 false or misleading claims while
> > president an average of 21 a day, according to the Washington Post fact
> > checkers.
> > 70) Trump allegedly took hundreds of classified documents on his way out of
> > the
> > White House, reportedly including nuclear secrets, which he then left unsecured
> > in various parts of Mar-a-Lago ?including a bathroom!
> > 71)He was even caught on tape showing them off to people. (Trump: "Isn?t it
> > amazing? I have a big pile of papers...Except it is, like, highly confidential.
> > Secret. Look at this. See as president I could have declassified it. But now
> > I can?t.")
> > 72: Trump seriously discussed the idea of nuking a hurricane.
> > 73) When Hurricane Maria hit Puerto Rico, Trump delayed $20 billion of aid and
> > allowed Puerto Rico to be without power for 181 days.
> > 74) Trump suggested withholding federal aid for California wildfire recovery,
> > and said the solution was to ?clean the floors of the forest.?
> > 75) Trump pulled out of the Iran deal, placing Iran on a path to developing
> > nuclear weapons.

Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 00:24:26 -0000 (UTC), slothe <slothe@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> On 11 Oct 2024, John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> posted some
>> news:9qajgjdk7ivfij4nns953pp25d7s9pflne@4ax.com:
>>
>>> 'Repeating Debunked Accusations About Trump Doesn't Make Them True'
>>>
>>> <https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/opinion-repeating-debunked-accu
>>> sations-about-trump-doesnt-make-them-true/ar-AA1rPyrC>
>>>
>>> 'My wife was working near our Trump yard sign. It didn't take long for
>>> a bicyclist to to yell, "Trump sucks!" At least he didn't call her a
>>> racist, fascist, or a Nazi as he whizzed by.
>>>
>>> The same can't be said of President Joe Biden, Vice President Kamala
>>> Harris, or any number of members of Congress and the media who
>>> disparage Donald Trump with these insults. At a recent hearing,
>>> Congresswoman Stacey Plaskett called Trump a "would-be Fuhrer." Some
>>> neighbors who support Trump are afraid of putting up yard signs for
>>> fear Trump haters will allow their dogs to poop on their lawns. Some
>>> Trump supporters won't answer polling questions about their support
>>> for Trump; that's why polls probably underestimate Trump's support.
>>>
>>> There isn't room here to debunk all the false claims brought against
>>> Trump. Some, like Russia collusion and the Steele dossier, have
>>> already been shown to be Democratic dirty tricks. A few, however, are
>>> so untrue that they deserve rebuttal.
>>>
>>> In the lead-up to the 2020 election, all eyes are on Iowa. Get updates
>>> of all things Iowa politics delivered to your inbox.
>>>
>>> Trump did not call white supremacists "very fine people" during the
>>> Charlottesville demonstrations about removing Robert E. Lee's statue.
>>> Harris has made this charge so often that she must think that by
>>> repeating it often enough it becomes true. The sad fact is that when
>>> people keep hearing things that are demonstrably false some believe
>>> them. Trump said there were "very fine people" on both sides of
>>> removing Robert E Lee's statue, not that white supremacists were fine
>>> people. Liberal-leaning fact checker Snopes reports that the charge is
>>> false.
>>>
>>> Similarly, the smear from a story in The Atlantic that Trump once
>>> called U.S. troops "suckers" for their sacrifices is not credible.
>>> The article quoted anonymous sources. Later, Trump's former chief of
>>> staff, Marine Gen. John Kelly, repeated the charge. Again, Snopes
>>> fact-checked this hoax: "In sum, the claim stemmed from a story by The
>>> Atlantic, which relied on anonymous, second-hand reports of Trump's
>>> alleged words; there was no independent footage or documented proof to
>>> substantiate the in-question comments; and Trump vehemently denies
>>> that he once called service members 'losers' and 'suckers.' While it
>>> was certainly possible that he said those things, Snopes was unable to
>>> independently verify the claim, Kelly has never claimed he heard Trump
>>> say this smear."
>>>
>>>
>>> Former President Donald J. Trump delivers remarks at Dodge County
>>> Airport on Sunday October 6, 2024 in Juneau, Wis.
>>> Former President Donald J. Trump delivers remarks at Dodge County
>>> Airport on Sunday October 6, 2024 in Juneau, Wis.
>>> © Jovanny Hernandez / Milwaukee Journal Sentinel
>>> And the charges that Trump is fascist? Fascism is a far-right form of
>>> government in which most of the country's power is held by one ruler
>>> or a small group under a single party. Fascism is usually totalitarian
>>> and includes nationalism, authoritarianism, ethnic purity,
>>> antisemitism and militarism.
>>>
>>> First, Trump has been a strong supporter of Israel and his daughter's
>>> husband, Jared Kushner, is Jewish. Trump is credited with engineering
>>> the the Abraham Accords, normalizing relations between Israel and the
>>> United Arab Emirates and Bahrain. Comparing him with Hitler is absurd.
>>> If anything, Trump is less militaristic in his positions than Harris,
>>> for example, in Ukraine.
>>>
>>> Did Trump contest the 2020 election? Yes. Did he call for an
>>> insurrection? No. He specifically told the Jan. 6 rally at Capitol
>>> Hill to "be peaceful." He contends he tried to get more security for
>>> the rally before it occurred. According to the New York Times,
>>> Democrats have been shameless about contesting presidential votes,
>>> too, objecting to counting electoral totals in 2000, 2004 and 2016.
>>>
>>> Trump did not act as an authoritarian in his first administration.
>>> Despite Hillary Clinton's clear violation of U.S. law concerning
>>> top-secret memos going to her private server, Trump declined to pursue
>>> further investigation into her emails. Contrast that with special
>>> counsel Jack Smith's staffers visiting the White House and meeting
>>> with Biden staffers before Trump's indictment. Longtime Department of
>>> Justice official Matthew Colangelo played a critical role in Trump's
>>> indictment in New York City.
>>>
>>> What are the facts on abortion? Harris has claimed that Trump would
>>> sign a national abortion ban if he becomes president. To the contrary,
>>> Trump has explicitly said that he would not sign such a bill. He
>>> personally supports allowing abortion in cases of rape, incest and
>>> when life of the mother is at risk. During his debate with Harris, he
>>> said, "Many states will be different, Many will have a different
>>> number of weeks or some will be more conservative than others and
>>> that's where they will be. At the end of the day it's about the will
>>> of the people." In fact his position on abortion has disappointed some
>>> in the pro-life community.
>>>
>>> Do yard signs make a difference? Political scientists say they make
>>> small difference and in close elections a small difference can be a
>>> deciding factor. I put up our yard sign because I am not afraid to
>>> show that I am voting for Trump. I supported someone else in the Iowa
>>> Caucuses and wrote to decry the choice between Trump and Biden. As I
>>> wrote in the Register, I find both Trump and Harris flawed.
>>>
>>> However, I am voting for Trump because I agree with him on the issues.
>>> Polls indicate that much of the public does, too. Harris has flipped
>>> her positions on issues, especially the border. I take her at her word
>>> that her "values" haven't changed. That is exactly what worries me!
>>> As Sen. Bernie Sanders says, "I don't think she is abandoning her
>>> ideals. I think she is trying to be pragmatic and doing what she
>>> thinks is right in order to win the election." And if she is elected I
>>> expect her to drop her new positions and revert to her former policies
>>> because they are in line with her "values."
>>
>> What values?
>
> Trump has values?
>

He cannot and will not

D. Ray <d@ray> wrote:
> John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And if she is elected I expect her to
>> drop her new positions and revert to her former policies because they
>> are in line with her "values."
>
> So, same as Trump? I don’t remember him keeping his promises.
>
Exactly

And his supporters explanations are very illogical

Like this lady, who says she cannot afford necessities

If (she says) she can’t even afford groceries, how can she afford airfare
and tickets (and probably also hotel, food, and Taylor merch) to a Taylor
Swift concert anyway?

Adults who REALLY need to learn the rule” ⤵️
I’m not even kidding.

https://x.com/thethe1776/status/1834083790710603952?s=61&t=ZCHyRu4DjWNZf_cm3_DB6A

ꪻꫝể ꪻꫝể
⁦‪@TheThe1776‬⁩

This concern mother has three tickets to the Taylor Swift concert in
Toronto on November 15th. It was a special gift for her daughter who turns
13 that day. Her daughter has been a Taylor Swift fan forever, but because
of Taylor’s endorsement of Kamala, she now has those… tickets up for sale.
Listen to her message to @taylorswift13
9/12/24, 12:17 AM

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> In article <EURXZHQwceRMUuRfvhVZBUWNPnUAAkKx@news.usenet.farm>, d@ray
> says...
>>
>> John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And if she is elected I expect her to
>>> drop her new positions and revert to her former policies because they
>>> are in line with her "values."
>>
>> So, same as Trump? I don?t remember him keeping his promises.
>
> BUTWHATABOUT!

Yeah, if you’re going to attack someone because they’re lying to voters, it
really would be nice if your side had better record.

In reality, what we saw in previous Trump’s term, is, in fact, in line with
his “values”.

See:

“Understanding How Trump Operates”

<https://warrenbalogh.substack.com/p/understanding-how-trump-operates>

<https://archive.md/icJHf>