On Oct 16, 2024 at 3:10:15 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<671039c9$3$2385538$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>
....
>>>>
>>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
>>>
>>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
>>>
>>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
>>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
>>> of the way there by another metric.
>>
>> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
>> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
>> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.
>
> I was better off when Trump was in office.

You clearly are not doing well now.

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

In article <veph2p$2ejus$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>
> On 10/16/24 6:10 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <6710329b$1$2385545$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> > brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vep81m$28g54$1@dont-email.me>:
> >>
> >>> On 10/15/24 8:05 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>> On 2024-10-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On 10/15/24 5:54 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2024-10-15, citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 10/15/2024 1:36 PM, -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>> You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
> >>>>>>>> adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
> >>>>>>>> operations.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
> >>>>>> get my drift.
> >>>>>> Pun intended.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
> >>>>> facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -hh
> >>>>
> >>>> Mad?
> >>>> Hardly.
> >>>> I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
> >>>> It's a waste of energy.
> >>>
> >>> So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your
> >>> motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you did choose
> >>> to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being
> >>> upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?
> >>
> >> He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
> >> issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
> >>>> saying.
> >>>> That's something you seem unable to do.
> >>>
> >>> On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
> >>> data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.
> >>
> >> Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
> >> responsible for Carroll's flood bot.
> >>
> >>>> You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that
> >>>> the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls
> >>>> show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
> >>>> And that is a fact.
> >>>
> >>> And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?
> >>> Case in point:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
> >>>
> >>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
> >>>
> >>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
> >>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
> >>> of the way there by another metric.
> >>
> >> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
> >> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
> >> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.
> >
> > I was better off when Trump was in office.
>
> By what measure?
>
>
> >>>
> >>>> He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people were not buying
> >>>> that message so he stopped promoting it.
> >>>
> >>> Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer running, Harris
> >>> has emphasized different top messaging points.
> >>>
> >>>> The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as the worst
> >>>> administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.
> >>>
> >>> And why was Carter so bad in your eyes? Inflation again, but this time
> >>> from Nixon/Ford? Are you old enough to remember the GOP's "WIN" (Whip
> >>> Inflation Now) campaign and wage freezes? How did those real wages
> >>> catch up?
> >>
> >> Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
> >> made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.
> >
> > So?
>
>
> The CEO:worker pay ratio shows the increasing wealth concentration at
> the top, which is decreasing the prosperity of the US middle class, for
> higher CEO pay means less for the rank & file, which is why more middle
> class households are failing instead of rising up. It is the inevitable
> outcome of the GOP's "Trickle-Down" economics starting from Reagan.
>
>
> -hh

I couls afford to do stuff. Crime wasn't as bad.

In article <6710482d$0$1783$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Oct 16, 2024 at 3:10:15 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> <671039c9$3$2385538$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >>>
> ...
> >>>>
> >>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
> >>>
> >>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
> >>>
> >>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
> >>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
> >>> of the way there by another metric.
> >>
> >> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
> >> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
> >> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.
> >
> > I was better off when Trump was in office.
>
> You clearly are not doing well now.

Well enough to keep you foaming and feeling harmed.

On Oct 16, 2024 at 4:09:13 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <veph2p$2ejus$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>> And why was Carter so bad in your eyes? Inflation again, but this time
>>>> from Nixon/Ford? Are you old enough to remember the GOP's "WIN" (Whip
>>>> Inflation Now) campaign and wage freezes? How did those real wages
>>>> catch up?
>>>
>>> Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
>>> made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.
>>
>> So?
>
> The CEO:worker pay ratio shows the increasing wealth concentration at
> the top, which is decreasing the prosperity of the US middle class, for
> higher CEO pay means less for the rank & file, which is why more middle
> class households are failing instead of rising up. It is the inevitable
> outcome of the GOP's "Trickle-Down" economics starting from Reagan.

Thank you. Worded better than I would have.
>
> -hh

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Oct 16, 2024 at 5:28:04 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<67105a15$0$2873011$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

> In article <6710482d$0$1783$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 3:10:15 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>> <671039c9$3$2385538$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>>
>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
>>>>>
>>>>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
>>>>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
>>>>> of the way there by another metric.
>>>>
>>>> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
>>>> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
>>>> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.
>>>
>>> I was better off when Trump was in office.
>>
>> You clearly are not doing well now.
>
> Well enough to keep you foaming and feeling harmed.

Your focus on feeling is a bit funny to me, but pretty typical of Trump
supporters. I prefer to look at evidence, equal rights, and other morality.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

In article <6710622c$1$3068680$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Oct 16, 2024 at 5:28:04 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> <67105a15$0$2873011$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
> > In article <6710482d$0$1783$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> > brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> On Oct 16, 2024 at 3:10:15 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> >> <671039c9$3$2385538$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >>>>>
> >> ...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
> >>>>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
> >>>>> of the way there by another metric.
> >>>>
> >>>> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
> >>>> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
> >>>> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.
> >>>
> >>> I was better off when Trump was in office.
> >>
> >> You clearly are not doing well now.
> >
> > Well enough to keep you foaming and feeling harmed.
>
> Your focus on feeling is a bit funny to me, but pretty typical of Trump
> supporters. I prefer to look at evidence, equal rights, and other morality.

Yet you feel harmed by dots on a screen.

On Oct 16, 2024 at 6:28:28 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<6710688d$2$2758$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

> In article <6710622c$1$3068680$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 5:28:04 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>> <67105a15$0$2873011$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>
>>> In article <6710482d$0$1783$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 3:10:15 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>> <671039c9$3$2385538$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
>>>>>>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
>>>>>>> of the way there by another metric.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
>>>>>> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
>>>>>> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was better off when Trump was in office.
>>>>
>>>> You clearly are not doing well now.
>>>
>>> Well enough to keep you foaming and feeling harmed.
>>
>> Your focus on feeling is a bit funny to me, but pretty typical of Trump
>> supporters. I prefer to look at evidence, equal rights, and other morality.
>
> Yet you feel harmed by dots on a screen.

Your focus on feelings is a YOU issue.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

In article <67106e51$3$1779$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Oct 16, 2024 at 6:28:28 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> <6710688d$2$2758$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
> > In article <6710622c$1$3068680$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> > brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> On Oct 16, 2024 at 5:28:04 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> >> <67105a15$0$2873011$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >>
> >>> In article <6710482d$0$1783$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> >>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 3:10:15 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> >>>> <671039c9$3$2385538$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
> >>>>>>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
> >>>>>>> of the way there by another metric.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
> >>>>>> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
> >>>>>> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I was better off when Trump was in office.
> >>>>
> >>>> You clearly are not doing well now.
> >>>
> >>> Well enough to keep you foaming and feeling harmed.
> >>
> >> Your focus on feeling is a bit funny to me, but pretty typical of Trump
> >> supporters. I prefer to look at evidence, equal rights, and other morality.
> >
> > Yet you feel harmed by dots on a screen.
>
> Your focus on feelings is a YOU issue.

Do you still feel harmed?

On Oct 16, 2024 at 7:36:49 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<6710780e$0$2757$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

>>
>> Your focus on feelings is a YOU issue.
>
> Do you still feel harmed?

You’re pulling a Carroll move here—just like him, you’re making up claims in
your head and holding others accountable for them. I was going to ask which of
my comments you’re referring to, but you’re not actually referring to any.
You’re creating something out of thin air and expecting me to answer for your
own thoughts.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

In article <67107a6d$9$1895495$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Oct 16, 2024 at 7:36:49 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> <6710780e$0$2757$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
> >>
> >> Your focus on feelings is a YOU issue.
> >
> > Do you still feel harmed?
>
> You?re pulling a Carroll move here?just like him, you?re making up claims in
> your head and holding others accountable for them. I was going to ask which of
> my comments you?re referring to, but you?re not actually referring to any.
> You?re creating something out of thin air and expecting me to answer for your
> own thoughts.

Well do you?

On Oct 16, 2024 at 8:16:50 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<671081a3$0$2385537$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

> In article <67107a6d$9$1895495$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 7:36:49 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>> <6710780e$0$2757$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Your focus on feelings is a YOU issue.
>>>
>>> Do you still feel harmed?
>>
>> You?re pulling a Carroll move here?just like him, you?re making up claims in
>> your head and holding others accountable for them. I was going to ask which of
>> my comments you?re referring to, but you?re not actually referring to any.
>> You?re creating something out of thin air and expecting me to answer for your
>> own thoughts.
>
> Well do you?

You show as little understanding as Carroll does. Is his hand up your rear?

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 10/16/24 8:27 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <veph2p$2ejus$1@dont-email.me>,
> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>
>> On 10/16/24 6:10 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <6710329b$1$2385545$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vep81m$28g54$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/15/24 8:05 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 5:54 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/2024 1:36 PM, -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
>>>>>>>>>> adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
>>>>>>>>>> operations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
>>>>>>>> get my drift.
>>>>>>>> Pun intended.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
>>>>>>> facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mad?
>>>>>> Hardly.
>>>>>> I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
>>>>>> It's a waste of energy.
>>>>>
>>>>> So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your
>>>>> motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you did choose
>>>>> to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being
>>>>> upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?
>>>>
>>>> He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
>>>> issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
>>>>>> saying.
>>>>>> That's something you seem unable to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
>>>>> data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.
>>>>
>>>> Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
>>>> responsible for Carroll's flood bot.
>>>>
>>>>>> You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that
>>>>>> the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls
>>>>>> show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
>>>>>> And that is a fact.
>>>>>
>>>>> And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?
>>>>> Case in point:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
>>>>>
>>>>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
>>>>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
>>>>> of the way there by another metric.
>>>>
>>>> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
>>>> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
>>>> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.
>>>
>>> I was better off when Trump was in office.
>>
>> By what measure?
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people were not buying
>>>>>> that message so he stopped promoting it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer running, Harris
>>>>> has emphasized different top messaging points.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as the worst
>>>>>> administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.
>>>>>
>>>>> And why was Carter so bad in your eyes? Inflation again, but this time
>>>>> from Nixon/Ford? Are you old enough to remember the GOP's "WIN" (Whip
>>>>> Inflation Now) campaign and wage freezes? How did those real wages
>>>>> catch up?
>>>>
>>>> Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
>>>> made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.
>>>
>>> So?
>>
>>
>> The CEO:worker pay ratio shows the increasing wealth concentration at
>> the top, which is decreasing the prosperity of the US middle class, for
>> higher CEO pay means less for the rank & file, which is why more middle
>> class households are failing instead of rising up. It is the inevitable
>> outcome of the GOP's "Trickle-Down" economics starting from Reagan.
>>
>>
>> -hh
>
> I couls afford to do stuff.

So what you're saying is that you lost your job due to CoVid?

Or are you saying that you've not gotten raises, either because your
employer has not been kept up with the national average for wage
increases, or didn't think you were worth paying more?

Or did you (or spouse) retire, so your income has dropped from that?

Or are you just complaining that you're getting old and can't physically
go out boozing every weekend? /s

YMMV, but my hourly rate has soared, such that I don't need to work long
hours anymore.

> Crime wasn't as bad.

Interesting claim, because National crime statistics show that most
crime rates have continued to go down, despite the public's false
perception that things aren't getting better:

"Using the FBI data, the violent crime rate fell 49% between 1993 and
2022, with large decreases in the rates of robbery (-74%), aggravated
assault (-39%) and murder/nonnegligent manslaughter (-34%)."

<https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/>

TL;DR: half as bad as it used to be.

Thus said, there have been changes in opportunistic nonviolent property
theft, such as stealing FedEx deliveries, washing checks stolen from the
mail, etc, but property crime still been trending down over time:

"The FBI data also shows a 59% reduction in the U.S. property crime rate
between 1993 and 2022, with big declines in the rates of burglary
(-75%), larceny/theft (-54%) and motor vehicle theft (-53%)."

-Ibid

So what evidence do you have of crime being "worse": is it merely your
personal perception? Or true for just your highly localized region?
Because on a National macro level, the claim does not ring true.

-hh

On 10/16/24 9:00 PM, Snit wrote:
> On Oct 16, 2024 at 4:09:13 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <veph2p$2ejus$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>
>>>>> And why was Carter so bad in your eyes? Inflation again, but this time
>>>>> from Nixon/Ford? Are you old enough to remember the GOP's "WIN" (Whip
>>>>> Inflation Now) campaign and wage freezes? How did those real wages
>>>>> catch up?
>>>>
>>>> Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
>>>> made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.
>>>
>>> So?
>>
>> The CEO:worker pay ratio shows the increasing wealth concentration at
>> the top, which is decreasing the prosperity of the US middle class, for
>> higher CEO pay means less for the rank & file, which is why more middle
>> class households are failing instead of rising up. It is the inevitable
>> outcome of the GOP's "Trickle-Down" economics starting from Reagan.
>
> Thank you. Worded better than I would have.

For those people paying attention, there's been many examples of
corporations who give big CEO pay and do huge stock buybacks ...

....and then try to claim that there's no money left for workers.

Boeing is one going through just prior to their worker strike.

-hh

In article <6710841c$1$1781$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Oct 16, 2024 at 8:16:50 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> <671081a3$0$2385537$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
> > In article <67107a6d$9$1895495$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> > brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> On Oct 16, 2024 at 7:36:49 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> >> <6710780e$0$2757$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> Your focus on feelings is a YOU issue.
> >>>
> >>> Do you still feel harmed?
> >>
> >> You?re pulling a Carroll move here?just like him, you?re making up claims in
> >> your head and holding others accountable for them. I was going to ask which of
> >> my comments you?re referring to, but you?re not actually referring to any.
> >> You?re creating something out of thin air and expecting me to answer for your
> >> own thoughts.
> >
> > Well do you?
>
> You show as little understanding as Carroll does. Is his hand up your rear?

Answer the question.

On Oct 17, 2024 at 6:03:53 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<67110b3a$1$212412$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

> In article <6710841c$1$1781$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 8:16:50 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>> <671081a3$0$2385537$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>
>>> In article <67107a6d$9$1895495$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 7:36:49 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>>>> <6710780e$0$2757$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your focus on feelings is a YOU issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you still feel harmed?
>>>>
>>>> You?re pulling a Carroll move here?just like him, you?re making up claims in
>>>> your head and holding others accountable for them. I was going to ask which of
>>>> my comments you?re referring to, but you?re not actually referring to any.
>>>> You?re creating something out of thin air and expecting me to answer for your
>>>> own thoughts.
>>>
>>> Well do you?
>>
>> You show as little understanding as Carroll does. Is his hand up your rear?
>
> Answer the question.

I’ve addressed this many times, but you continue to avoid it. This highlights
an entitled perspective.

The point is: unlike you, I’m focused on logic and facts, as has been said
repeatedly.

Let’s move on. Don’t assume others are as focused on emotions as you seem to
be. Some of us prioritize evidence and reason. Stop the complaints and
emotional responses.

That’s the issue—your emotions are clearly influencing your behavior.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Oct 17, 2024 at 5:56:54 AM MST, "-hh" wrote <ver1im$2ohqk$2@dont-email.me>:

> On 10/16/24 9:00 PM, Snit wrote:
>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 4:09:13 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <veph2p$2ejus$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And why was Carter so bad in your eyes? Inflation again, but this time
>>>>>> from Nixon/Ford? Are you old enough to remember the GOP's "WIN" (Whip
>>>>>> Inflation Now) campaign and wage freezes? How did those real wages
>>>>>> catch up?
>>>>>
>>>>> Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
>>>>> made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.
>>>>
>>>> So?
>>>
>>> The CEO:worker pay ratio shows the increasing wealth concentration at
>>> the top, which is decreasing the prosperity of the US middle class, for
>>> higher CEO pay means less for the rank & file, which is why more middle
>>> class households are failing instead of rising up. It is the inevitable
>>> outcome of the GOP's "Trickle-Down" economics starting from Reagan.
>>
>> Thank you. Worded better than I would have.
>
>
> For those people paying attention, there's been many examples of
> corporations who give big CEO pay and do huge stock buybacks ...
>
> ...and then try to claim that there's no money left for workers.

Right. It is madness.
>
> Boeing is one going through just prior to their worker strike.

I have not followed that... but do not doubt it.
>
> -hh

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

In article <ver1fr$2ohqk$1@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>
> On 10/16/24 8:27 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <veph2p$2ejus$1@dont-email.me>,
> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>
> >> On 10/16/24 6:10 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>> In article <6710329b$1$2385545$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> >>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vep81m$28g54$1@dont-email.me>:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 10/15/24 8:05 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2024-10-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 10/15/24 5:54 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 10/15/2024 1:36 PM, -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
> >>>>>>>>>> adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
> >>>>>>>>>> operations.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
> >>>>>>>> get my drift.
> >>>>>>>> Pun intended.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
> >>>>>>> facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mad?
> >>>>>> Hardly.
> >>>>>> I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
> >>>>>> It's a waste of energy.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your
> >>>>> motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you did choose
> >>>>> to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being
> >>>>> upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?
> >>>>
> >>>> He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
> >>>> issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
> >>>>>> saying.
> >>>>>> That's something you seem unable to do.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
> >>>>> data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.
> >>>>
> >>>> Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
> >>>> responsible for Carroll's flood bot.
> >>>>
> >>>>>> You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that
> >>>>>> the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls
> >>>>>> show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
> >>>>>> And that is a fact.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?
> >>>>> Case in point:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
> >>>>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
> >>>>> of the way there by another metric.
> >>>>
> >>>> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
> >>>> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
> >>>> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.
> >>>
> >>> I was better off when Trump was in office.
> >>
> >> By what measure?
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people were not buying
> >>>>>> that message so he stopped promoting it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer running, Harris
> >>>>> has emphasized different top messaging points.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as the worst
> >>>>>> administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And why was Carter so bad in your eyes? Inflation again, but this time
> >>>>> from Nixon/Ford? Are you old enough to remember the GOP's "WIN" (Whip
> >>>>> Inflation Now) campaign and wage freezes? How did those real wages
> >>>>> catch up?
> >>>>
> >>>> Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
> >>>> made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.
> >>>
> >>> So?
> >>
> >>
> >> The CEO:worker pay ratio shows the increasing wealth concentration at
> >> the top, which is decreasing the prosperity of the US middle class, for
> >> higher CEO pay means less for the rank & file, which is why more middle
> >> class households are failing instead of rising up. It is the inevitable
> >> outcome of the GOP's "Trickle-Down" economics starting from Reagan.
> >>
> >>
> >> -hh
> >
> > I couls afford to do stuff.
>
>
> So what you're saying is that you lost your job due to CoVid?
>
> Or are you saying that you've not gotten raises, either because your
> employer has not been kept up with the national average for wage
> increases, or didn't think you were worth paying more?
>
> Or did you (or spouse) retire, so your income has dropped from that?
>
> Or are you just complaining that you're getting old and can't physically
> go out boozing every weekend? /s
>
> YMMV, but my hourly rate has soared, such that I don't need to work long
> hours anymore.
>
>
> > Crime wasn't as bad.
>
> Interesting claim, because National crime statistics show that most
> crime rates have continued to go down, despite the public's false
> perception that things aren't getting better:
>
> "Using the FBI data, the violent crime rate fell 49% between 1993 and
> 2022, with large decreases in the rates of robbery (-74%), aggravated
> assault (-39%) and murder/nonnegligent manslaughter (-34%)."
>
> <https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/>
>
> TL;DR: half as bad as it used to be.
>
> Thus said, there have been changes in opportunistic nonviolent property
> theft, such as stealing FedEx deliveries, washing checks stolen from the
> mail, etc, but property crime still been trending down over time:
>
> "The FBI data also shows a 59% reduction in the U.S. property crime rate
> between 1993 and 2022, with big declines in the rates of burglary
> (-75%), larceny/theft (-54%) and motor vehicle theft (-53%)."
>
> -Ibid
>
> So what evidence do you have of crime being "worse": is it merely your
> personal perception? Or true for just your highly localized region?
> Because on a National macro level, the claim does not ring true.
>
>
> -hh

In article <6711158b$0$1895498$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Oct 17, 2024 at 6:03:53 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> <67110b3a$1$212412$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
> > In article <6710841c$1$1781$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> > brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> On Oct 16, 2024 at 8:16:50 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> >> <671081a3$0$2385537$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >>
> >>> In article <67107a6d$9$1895495$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> >>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 7:36:49 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> >>>> <6710780e$0$2757$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Your focus on feelings is a YOU issue.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Do you still feel harmed?
> >>>>
> >>>> You?re pulling a Carroll move here?just like him, you?re making up claims in
> >>>> your head and holding others accountable for them. I was going to ask which of
> >>>> my comments you?re referring to, but you?re not actually referring to any.
> >>>> You?re creating something out of thin air and expecting me to answer for your
> >>>> own thoughts.
> >>>
> >>> Well do you?
> >>
> >> You show as little understanding as Carroll does. Is his hand up your rear?
> >
> > Answer the question.
>
> I?ve addressed this many times, but you continue to avoid it. This highlights
> an entitled perspective.
>
> The point is: unlike you, I?m focused on logic and facts, as has been said
> repeatedly.
>
> Let?s move on. Don?t assume others are as focused on emotions as you seem to
> be. Some of us prioritize evidence and reason. Stop the complaints and
> emotional responses.
>
> That?s the issue?your emotions are clearly influencing your behavior.

Answer the damn question Kamalla.

"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
news:vepda3$2dqie$1@dont-email.me...
> On 10/16/24 5:20 PM, troll Pierre Delecto Romney wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>> Harris isn't in the Senate anymore. And even from her time there, she
>>> was representing California, one of the most progressive States in the
>>> USA
>>
>> The MOST failed state in this nation.
>
> Failed...except for how California is the world's 5th largest economy.

Great, and China is the 2nd largest economy..

Should that be our model for human rights, freedom or even Carbon Emissions?

China - 3rd worst for human rights
China - among the worst abusers or personal freedom
China - worst carbon emissions of any nation having more than the next 3
combined.

Sorry, but having a large economy.. isn't really a good measure of what is a
good place to live in or to emulate.

On Oct 17, 2024 at 7:38:51 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
<ver7lk$2pq6j$7@dont-email.me>:

>
>
> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> news:vepda3$2dqie$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 10/16/24 5:20 PM, troll Pierre Delecto Romney wrote:
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>> Harris isn't in the Senate anymore. And even from her time there, she
>>>> was representing California, one of the most progressive States in the
>>>> USA
>>>
>>> The MOST failed state in this nation.
>>
>> Failed...except for how California is the world's 5th largest economy.
>
> Great, and China is the 2nd largest economy..
>
> Should that be our model for human rights, freedom or even Carbon Emissions?
>
> China - 3rd worst for human rights
> China - among the worst abusers or personal freedom
> China - worst carbon emissions of any nation having more than the next 3
> combined.
>
> Sorry, but having a large economy.. isn't really a good measure of what is a
> good place to live in or to emulate.

Depends on how you define success. CA does fairly well both with economics and
human rights. And they help fund the (economically and morally) failing red
states.

--
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

In article <6711269e$0$1788$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Oct 17, 2024 at 7:38:51 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
> <ver7lk$2pq6j$7@dont-email.me>:
>
> >
> >
> > "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> > news:vepda3$2dqie$1@dont-email.me...
> >> On 10/16/24 5:20 PM, troll Pierre Delecto Romney wrote:
> >>> -hh wrote:
> >>>> Harris isn't in the Senate anymore. And even from her time there, she
> >>>> was representing California, one of the most progressive States in the
> >>>> USA
> >>>
> >>> The MOST failed state in this nation.
> >>
> >> Failed...except for how California is the world's 5th largest economy.
> >
> > Great, and China is the 2nd largest economy..
> >
> > Should that be our model for human rights, freedom or even Carbon Emissions?
> >
> > China - 3rd worst for human rights
> > China - among the worst abusers or personal freedom
> > China - worst carbon emissions of any nation having more than the next 3
> > combined.
> >
> > Sorry, but having a large economy.. isn't really a good measure of what is a
> > good place to live in or to emulate.
>
> Depends on how you define success. CA does fairly well both with economics and
> human rights. And they help fund the (economically and morally) failing red
> states.

and they support no bail release for crooks and legal drug use in public
parks.

"Skeeter" <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in message
news:67112f33$0$212410$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com...
> In article <6711269e$0$1788$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Oct 17, 2024 at 7:38:51 AM MST, ""Scout"" wrote
>> <ver7lk$2pq6j$7@dont-email.me>:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>> > news:vepda3$2dqie$1@dont-email.me...
>> >> On 10/16/24 5:20 PM, troll Pierre Delecto Romney wrote:
>> >>> -hh wrote:
>> >>>> Harris isn't in the Senate anymore. And even from her time there,
>> >>>> she
>> >>>> was representing California, one of the most progressive States in
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> USA
>> >>>
>> >>> The MOST failed state in this nation.
>> >>
>> >> Failed...except for how California is the world's 5th largest economy.
>> >
>> > Great, and China is the 2nd largest economy..
>> >
>> > Should that be our model for human rights, freedom or even Carbon
>> > Emissions?
>> >
>> > China - 3rd worst for human rights
>> > China - among the worst abusers or personal freedom
>> > China - worst carbon emissions of any nation having more than the next
>> > 3
>> > combined.
>> >
>> > Sorry, but having a large economy.. isn't really a good measure of what
>> > is a
>> > good place to live in or to emulate.
>>
>> Depends on how you define success. CA does fairly well both with
>> economics and
>> human rights. And they help fund the (economically and morally) failing
>> red
>> states.
>
> and they support no bail release for crooks and legal drug use in public
> parks.

Oh,, and don't forget since they allow the criminal to plead down to some
lesser offense, then officially according to the records that crime didn't
happen.

It's amazing how little violent crime there is when no one is prosecuted for
committing it.

It's sort of like how shop lifting has dropped once they told people they
could only steal $1999.99 at a time otherwise they it would be shoplifting.

Suddenly, according to the records, shoplifting has been all but
eliminated..

The store owners don't see it that way, but since they don't know what they
are talking about, their opinion doesn't count.

On 10/17/24 10:38 AM, Scout wrote:
> "-hh" wrote:
>> On 10/16/24 5:20 PM, troll Pierre Delecto Romney wrote:
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>> Harris isn't in the Senate anymore.  And even from her time there,
>>>> she was representing California, one of the most progressive States
>>>> in the USA
>>>
>>> The MOST failed state in this nation.
>>
>> Failed...except for how California is the world's 5th largest economy.
>
> Great, and China is the 2nd largest economy..

Behind the USA, of which California is 14%.

> Should that be our model for human rights, freedom or even Carbon
> Emissions?
>
> China - 3rd worst for human rights
> China - among the worst abusers or personal freedom
> China - worst carbon emissions of any nation having more than the next 3
> combined.

Unfortunately, you can't claim that CA is a failed state by trying to
pivot from economics to something else to draw a false equivalency.
Particularly since you know that CA is more progressive than much of the
USA, both environmentally and socially...and STILL does well with GDP.

And China recognizes that they have pollution problems, which is why
they've become the world leader in solar PV deployment, high speed rail,
and nuclear power construction.

And why were you silent on Germany & Japan (#3 and #4)?

> Sorry, but having a large economy.. isn't really a good measure of what
> is a good place to live in or to emulate.

GDP is merely an easy & irrefutable metric to rub your nose in, since no
one forced you to be so conveniently vague on your "failed state" claim.

-hh

On 10/17/24 9:51 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <ver1fr$2ohqk$1@dont-email.me>,
> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>
>> On 10/16/24 8:27 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <veph2p$2ejus$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 10/16/24 6:10 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>> In article <6710329b$1$2385545$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
>>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vep81m$28g54$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 8:05 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 5:54 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/2024 1:36 PM, -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
>>>>>>>>>>>> adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
>>>>>>>>>>>> operations.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
>>>>>>>>>> get my drift.
>>>>>>>>>> Pun intended.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
>>>>>>>>> facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -hh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mad?
>>>>>>>> Hardly.
>>>>>>>> I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
>>>>>>>> It's a waste of energy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your
>>>>>>> motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you did choose
>>>>>>> to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being
>>>>>>> upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
>>>>>> issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
>>>>>>>> saying.
>>>>>>>> That's something you seem unable to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
>>>>>>> data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
>>>>>> responsible for Carroll's flood bot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that
>>>>>>>> the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls
>>>>>>>> show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
>>>>>>>> And that is a fact.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?
>>>>>>> Case in point:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
>>>>>>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
>>>>>>> of the way there by another metric.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
>>>>>> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
>>>>>> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was better off when Trump was in office.
>>>>
>>>> By what measure?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people were not buying
>>>>>>>> that message so he stopped promoting it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer running, Harris
>>>>>>> has emphasized different top messaging points.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as the worst
>>>>>>>> administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And why was Carter so bad in your eyes? Inflation again, but this time
>>>>>>> from Nixon/Ford? Are you old enough to remember the GOP's "WIN" (Whip
>>>>>>> Inflation Now) campaign and wage freezes? How did those real wages
>>>>>>> catch up?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
>>>>>> made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.
>>>>>
>>>>> So?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The CEO:worker pay ratio shows the increasing wealth concentration at
>>>> the top, which is decreasing the prosperity of the US middle class, for
>>>> higher CEO pay means less for the rank & file, which is why more middle
>>>> class households are failing instead of rising up. It is the inevitable
>>>> outcome of the GOP's "Trickle-Down" economics starting from Reagan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -hh
>>>
>>> I couls afford to do stuff.
>>
>>
>> So what you're saying is that you lost your job due to CoVid?
>>
>> Or are you saying that you've not gotten raises, either because your
>> employer has not been kept up with the national average for wage
>> increases, or didn't think you were worth paying more?
>>
>> Or did you (or spouse) retire, so your income has dropped from that?
>>
>> Or are you just complaining that you're getting old and can't physically
>> go out boozing every weekend? /s
>>
>> YMMV, but my hourly rate has soared, such that I don't need to work long
>> hours anymore.
>>
>>
>>> Crime wasn't as bad.
>>
>> Interesting claim, because National crime statistics show that most
>> crime rates have continued to go down, despite the public's false
>> perception that things aren't getting better:
>>
>> "Using the FBI data, the violent crime rate fell 49% between 1993 and
>> 2022, with large decreases in the rates of robbery (-74%), aggravated
>> assault (-39%) and murder/nonnegligent manslaughter (-34%)."
>>
>> <https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/>
>>
>> TL;DR: half as bad as it used to be.
>>
>> Thus said, there have been changes in opportunistic nonviolent property
>> theft, such as stealing FedEx deliveries, washing checks stolen from the
>> mail, etc, but property crime still been trending down over time:
>>
>> "The FBI data also shows a 59% reduction in the U.S. property crime rate
>> between 1993 and 2022, with big declines in the rates of burglary
>> (-75%), larceny/theft (-54%) and motor vehicle theft (-53%)."
>>
>> -Ibid
>>
>> So what evidence do you have of crime being "worse": is it merely your
>> personal perception? Or true for just your highly localized region?
>> Because on a National macro level, the claim does not ring true.
>>
>>
>> -hh
>
> Moron.

In article <vere5c$2q4h9$2@dont-email.me>,
recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
>
> On 10/17/24 9:51 AM, Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <ver1fr$2ohqk$1@dont-email.me>,
> > recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>
> >> On 10/16/24 8:27 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>> In article <veph2p$2ejus$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>> recscuba_google@huntzinger.com says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/16/24 6:10 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>> In article <6710329b$1$2385545$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> >>>>> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Oct 16, 2024 at 1:35:02 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vep81m$28g54$1@dont-email.me>:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 10/15/24 8:05 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 10/15/24 5:54 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-15, citizen winston smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 10/15/2024 1:36 PM, -hh wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> You're now trying to claim that the "what has changed?" is that there's
> >>>>>>>>>>>> adults now seeking to have genetically normal kids undergo sex change
> >>>>>>>>>>>> operations.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Were you "in the navy" Huntzy?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/nmGuy0jievs
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Cuz you are as gay as a swabbie with no shore leave.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I'll bet hh volunteered to take other sailors "night in the barrel", if you
> >>>>>>>>>> get my drift.
> >>>>>>>>>> Pun intended.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Oh, we certainly do: you know that you're mad because you can't dispute
> >>>>>>>>> facts on the topic, so you try to "Shoot the Messenger" instead. Lame.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -hh
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Mad?
> >>>>>>>> Hardly.
> >>>>>>>> I stopped getting mad when I was about 12 yo.
> >>>>>>>> It's a waste of energy.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So if you're denying that it is due to anger, then what *was* your
> >>>>>>> motivation to sling such a lame Ad Hominem? After all, you did choose
> >>>>>>> to post, so there must have been a reason. So if its not you being
> >>>>>>> upset & butthurt again, then just what was your motivation?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> He seems unaware of his own emotional states... unless you have a signifiant
> >>>>>> issue pretty much all people experience anger from time to time.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I prefer to look up from my spreadsheet and observe what the world is is
> >>>>>>>> saying.
> >>>>>>>> That's something you seem unable to do.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On the contrary: I find that worldviews are expanded by using objective
> >>>>>>> data, and helps to reveal my own potential personal biases.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Where Pothead makes things up, such as his recent claims that I am somehow
> >>>>>> responsible for Carroll's flood bot.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You can spin your numbers all day and night but the fact remains that
> >>>>>>>> the number 1 issue with voters is the economy/inflation and the polls
> >>>>>>>> show that people blame Biden/Harris for the mess.
> >>>>>>>> And that is a fact.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> And people are _never_ deceived? Or make a mountain out of a mole hill?
> >>>>>>> Case in point:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Initially Biden was trying to convince the people that Bidenomics was working.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> So then, just what is the definition of "working" here?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Because if it is real wage increasing to catch up with inflation, we
> >>>>>>> know that it is already 98% of the way there by one metric, and is 102%
> >>>>>>> of the way there by another metric.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We are still struggling based on Reagan and his absurd trickle down. Trump's
> >>>>>> work to redistribute money to the very rich did not help. Nor did the
> >>>>>> pandemic. Nor the war in Ukraine. Or Israel.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I was better off when Trump was in office.
> >>>>
> >>>> By what measure?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> He and his handlers found out rather quickly that people were not buying
> >>>>>>>> that message so he stopped promoting it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Or...that was Biden's message and since he's no longer running, Harris
> >>>>>>> has emphasized different top messaging points.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The Biden/Harris administration will go down in history as the worst
> >>>>>>>> administration ever, even topping Jimmy Carter.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> And why was Carter so bad in your eyes? Inflation again, but this time
> >>>>>>> from Nixon/Ford? Are you old enough to remember the GOP's "WIN" (Whip
> >>>>>>> Inflation Now) campaign and wage freezes? How did those real wages
> >>>>>>> catch up?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Wages have not come close to keeping close with productivity. Used to be a CEO
> >>>>>> made 40x the average worker. Now it is several hundred times.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The CEO:worker pay ratio shows the increasing wealth concentration at
> >>>> the top, which is decreasing the prosperity of the US middle class, for
> >>>> higher CEO pay means less for the rank & file, which is why more middle
> >>>> class households are failing instead of rising up. It is the inevitable
> >>>> outcome of the GOP's "Trickle-Down" economics starting from Reagan.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -hh
> >>>
> >>> I couls afford to do stuff.
> >>
> >>
> >> So what you're saying is that you lost your job due to CoVid?
> >>
> >> Or are you saying that you've not gotten raises, either because your
> >> employer has not been kept up with the national average for wage
> >> increases, or didn't think you were worth paying more?
> >>
> >> Or did you (or spouse) retire, so your income has dropped from that?
> >>
> >> Or are you just complaining that you're getting old and can't physically
> >> go out boozing every weekend? /s
> >>
> >> YMMV, but my hourly rate has soared, such that I don't need to work long
> >> hours anymore.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Crime wasn't as bad.
> >>
> >> Interesting claim, because National crime statistics show that most
> >> crime rates have continued to go down, despite the public's false
> >> perception that things aren't getting better:
> >>
> >> "Using the FBI data, the violent crime rate fell 49% between 1993 and
> >> 2022, with large decreases in the rates of robbery (-74%), aggravated
> >> assault (-39%) and murder/nonnegligent manslaughter (-34%)."
> >>
> >> <https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/>
> >>
> >> TL;DR: half as bad as it used to be.
> >>
> >> Thus said, there have been changes in opportunistic nonviolent property
> >> theft, such as stealing FedEx deliveries, washing checks stolen from the
> >> mail, etc, but property crime still been trending down over time:
> >>
> >> "The FBI data also shows a 59% reduction in the U.S. property crime rate
> >> between 1993 and 2022, with big declines in the rates of burglary
> >> (-75%), larceny/theft (-54%) and motor vehicle theft (-53%)."
> >>
> >> -Ibid
> >>
> >> So what evidence do you have of crime being "worse": is it merely your
> >> personal perception? Or true for just your highly localized region?
> >> Because on a National macro level, the claim does not ring true.
> >>
> >>
> >> -hh
> >
> > Moron.
>
> Translation: Nailed It.
>
> So what was your career path before CoVid ruined it?
>
>
> -hh