On Sat, 12 Oct 2024 22:12:03 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

>kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>> Snit wrote:
>>> On Oct 11, 2024 at 9:41:56?PM MST, "kazu" wrote
>>> <547d7042-b50e-d5fd-51f6-e6aff7bbac7e@ichigo.kinoko.kuri>:
>>>
>>>> John Smyth wrote:
>>>>> 'A Godfather of AI Just Won a Nobel. He Has Been Warning the Machines
>>>>> Could Take Over the World.'
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://archive.is/VuJ4L#selection-2403.0-2597.172>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 'The newly minted Nobel laureate Geoffrey Hinton has a message about the
>>>>> artificial-intelligence systems he helped create: get more serious about
>>>>> safety or they could endanger humanity.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i am 50-50 on the view that AI will pose a danger to humanity.
>>>>
>>>> both sides have decent arguments and i cant make up my mind.
>>>
>>> I like what Douglas Adams says about technology:
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> I’ve come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies:
>>>
>>> 1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and
>>> is just a natural part of the way the world works.
>>>
>>> 2. Anything that’s invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new
>>> and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
>>>
>>> 3. Anything invented after you’re thirty-five is against the natural order of
>>> things.
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>
>>
>> i think old people will like ai, it will be first deployed in
>> construction, heavy industry and call center sectors and elderly
>> care.
>
>Doubtful. Older people don't like tech. They trust people.

They trust phones, radios and TVs, but their grandparents didn't.

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Siri Cruise wrote:
>> Chris wrote:
>>> recognised, but also deep learning, generative learning and
>>> fully conscious
>>> agents.
>
> For example?
>

hi siri, i thought you replied to me.

On Oct 14, 2024 at 1:05:37 PM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<i8uqgjpgk2k710poriu9416ska9vhie9hc@4ax.com>:

> On 12 Oct 2024 14:46:25 GMT, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I like what Douglas Adams says about technology:
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> I’ve come up with a set of rules that describe our reactions to technologies:
>>
>> 1. Anything that is in the world when you’re born is normal and ordinary and
>> is just a natural part of the way the world works.
>>
>> 2. Anything that’s invented between when you’re fifteen and thirty-five is new
>> and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it.
>>
>> 3. Anything invented after you’re thirty-five is against the natural order of
>> things.
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> The man is a social genius.

He had a lot of amazing satire and insights.

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

Borax Man wrote:
> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
> On 2024-10-12, kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>> John Smyth wrote:
>>> 'A Godfather of AI Just Won a Nobel. He Has Been Warning the Machines
>>> Could Take Over the World.'
>>>
>>> <https://archive.is/VuJ4L#selection-2403.0-2597.172>
>>>
>>>
>>> 'The newly minted Nobel laureate Geoffrey Hinton has a message about the
>>> artificial-intelligence systems he helped create: get more serious about
>>> safety or they could endanger humanity.
>>
>>
>> i am 50-50 on the view that AI will pose a danger to humanity.
>>
>> both sides have decent arguments and i cant make up my mind.
>
> I don't think AI will take over, as it is not really capable of
> out-of-band thinking. AI cannot solve a problem which hasn't been
> defined. For example, you can get AI to perhaps streamline a process or
> design, make it more efficient, but it won't come to the realisation
> that the thing you are trying to do, may not be necessary after all. So
> AI would have to do something it is not capable of at the moment, coming
> to new realisations and acting on that information.
>
> The threat from AI I think is more how we act. I see a danger where we
> trust AI, and treat it like it is a superintelligence, and we use it as
> a crutch to make desicions, which turn out to be poor, suboptimal
> decisions.
>

it depends on how much credit you are willing to give the LCM.

On 2024-10-14, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 2024-10-12, kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>> Borax Man wrote:
>>> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
>>> On 2024-10-12, kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>>>> John Smyth wrote:
>>>>> 'A Godfather of AI Just Won a Nobel. He Has Been Warning the Machines
>>>>> Could Take Over the World.'
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://archive.is/VuJ4L#selection-2403.0-2597.172>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 'The newly minted Nobel laureate Geoffrey Hinton has a message about the
>>>>> artificial-intelligence systems he helped create: get more serious about
>>>>> safety or they could endanger humanity.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i am 50-50 on the view that AI will pose a danger to humanity.
>>>>
>>>> both sides have decent arguments and i cant make up my mind.
>>>
>>> I don't think AI will take over, as it is not really capable of
>>> out-of-band thinking. AI cannot solve a problem which hasn't been
>>> defined. For example, you can get AI to perhaps streamline a process or
>>> design, make it more efficient, but it won't come to the realisation
>>> that the thing you are trying to do, may not be necessary after all. So
>>> AI would have to do something it is not capable of at the moment, coming
>>> to new realisations and acting on that information.
>>>
>>> The threat from AI I think is more how we act. I see a danger where we
>>> trust AI, and treat it like it is a superintelligence, and we use it as
>>> a crutch to make desicions, which turn out to be poor, suboptimal
>>> decisions.
>>>
>>
>> current models may not be able to, but there is an exponential
>> curve we are riding.
>
> What we have seen is better models because they have more data. But
> there is a leap to be made to get them to think out of band. This is a
> very different type of program, and now where I think the A.I. path is
> leading to at the moment.
>
> Machines can't think, and programs can't think.

And most of programmers involved with creating AI can't think clearly either
(or at least they're pushing the agenda of their masters). Garbage in,
garbage out. (Remember when Google had to pull part of their AI imaging
because it was so DEI that it was completely incapable of producing white
Nazis or Vikings.) That's how AI "works" when it's programmed by the Woke.

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what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Le 2024-10-14 à 19 h 01, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-10-14, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-10-12, kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>>> Borax Man wrote:
>>>> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
>>>> On 2024-10-12, kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>>>>> John Smyth wrote:
>>>>>> 'A Godfather of AI Just Won a Nobel. He Has Been Warning the Machines
>>>>>> Could Take Over the World.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://archive.is/VuJ4L#selection-2403.0-2597.172>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'The newly minted Nobel laureate Geoffrey Hinton has a message about the
>>>>>> artificial-intelligence systems he helped create: get more serious about
>>>>>> safety or they could endanger humanity.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i am 50-50 on the view that AI will pose a danger to humanity.
>>>>>
>>>>> both sides have decent arguments and i cant make up my mind.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think AI will take over, as it is not really capable of
>>>> out-of-band thinking. AI cannot solve a problem which hasn't been
>>>> defined. For example, you can get AI to perhaps streamline a process or
>>>> design, make it more efficient, but it won't come to the realisation
>>>> that the thing you are trying to do, may not be necessary after all. So
>>>> AI would have to do something it is not capable of at the moment, coming
>>>> to new realisations and acting on that information.
>>>>
>>>> The threat from AI I think is more how we act. I see a danger where we
>>>> trust AI, and treat it like it is a superintelligence, and we use it as
>>>> a crutch to make desicions, which turn out to be poor, suboptimal
>>>> decisions.
>>>>
>>>
>>> current models may not be able to, but there is an exponential
>>> curve we are riding.
>>
>> What we have seen is better models because they have more data. But
>> there is a leap to be made to get them to think out of band. This is a
>> very different type of program, and now where I think the A.I. path is
>> leading to at the moment.
>>
>> Machines can't think, and programs can't think.
>
> And most of programmers involved with creating AI can't think clearly either
> (or at least they're pushing the agenda of their masters). Garbage in,
> garbage out. (Remember when Google had to pull part of their AI imaging
> because it was so DEI that it was completely incapable of producing white
> Nazis or Vikings.) That's how AI "works" when it's programmed by the Woke.

The sad part is that Debian seems to be going in that direction too.
Lunduke just revealed it today. Regardless of their code of conduct,
paid internship offers for Debian are asking Whites and Asians not to
apply. Strangely, Ubuntu, of all distributions, seems to be one of the
least woke.

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Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

On 2024-10-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-10-14 à 19 h 01, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-10-14, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-12, kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>>>> Borax Man wrote:
>>>>> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
>>>>> On 2024-10-12, kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>>>>>> John Smyth wrote:
>>>>>>> 'A Godfather of AI Just Won a Nobel. He Has Been Warning the Machines
>>>>>>> Could Take Over the World.'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://archive.is/VuJ4L#selection-2403.0-2597.172>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'The newly minted Nobel laureate Geoffrey Hinton has a message about the
>>>>>>> artificial-intelligence systems he helped create: get more serious about
>>>>>>> safety or they could endanger humanity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i am 50-50 on the view that AI will pose a danger to humanity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> both sides have decent arguments and i cant make up my mind.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think AI will take over, as it is not really capable of
>>>>> out-of-band thinking. AI cannot solve a problem which hasn't been
>>>>> defined. For example, you can get AI to perhaps streamline a process or
>>>>> design, make it more efficient, but it won't come to the realisation
>>>>> that the thing you are trying to do, may not be necessary after all. So
>>>>> AI would have to do something it is not capable of at the moment, coming
>>>>> to new realisations and acting on that information.
>>>>>
>>>>> The threat from AI I think is more how we act. I see a danger where we
>>>>> trust AI, and treat it like it is a superintelligence, and we use it as
>>>>> a crutch to make desicions, which turn out to be poor, suboptimal
>>>>> decisions.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> current models may not be able to, but there is an exponential
>>>> curve we are riding.
>>>
>>> What we have seen is better models because they have more data. But
>>> there is a leap to be made to get them to think out of band. This is a
>>> very different type of program, and now where I think the A.I. path is
>>> leading to at the moment.
>>>
>>> Machines can't think, and programs can't think.
>>
>> And most of programmers involved with creating AI can't think clearly either
>> (or at least they're pushing the agenda of their masters). Garbage in,
>> garbage out. (Remember when Google had to pull part of their AI imaging
>> because it was so DEI that it was completely incapable of producing white
>> Nazis or Vikings.) That's how AI "works" when it's programmed by the Woke.
>
> The sad part is that Debian seems to be going in that direction too.
> Lunduke just revealed it today. Regardless of their code of conduct,
> paid internship offers for Debian are asking Whites and Asians not to
> apply. Strangely, Ubuntu, of all distributions, seems to be one of the
> least woke.

I don't know where Linux Mint stands here. But it shouldn't be too surprising
that Ubuntu is less Woke. For one, they're a company that's trying to earn a
profit and, two, they're not a U.S. based company. South Africa doesn't seem
too keen on the Woke crap. At least they're independent of the U.S. and
Europe in several areas. And they are part of BRICS.

--
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what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Chris wrote:
>>> recognised, but also deep learning, generative learning and
>>> fully conscious
>>> agents.
>
> For example?

What do you mean? All the above are examples of different systems typically
being called "AI".

Le 2024-10-15 à 02 h 39, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-10-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-10-14 à 19 h 01, RonB a écrit :
>>> On 2024-10-14, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-10-12, kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>>>>> Borax Man wrote:
>>>>>> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
>>>>>> On 2024-10-12, kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>>>>>>> John Smyth wrote:
>>>>>>>> 'A Godfather of AI Just Won a Nobel. He Has Been Warning the Machines
>>>>>>>> Could Take Over the World.'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://archive.is/VuJ4L#selection-2403.0-2597.172>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'The newly minted Nobel laureate Geoffrey Hinton has a message about the
>>>>>>>> artificial-intelligence systems he helped create: get more serious about
>>>>>>>> safety or they could endanger humanity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i am 50-50 on the view that AI will pose a danger to humanity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> both sides have decent arguments and i cant make up my mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think AI will take over, as it is not really capable of
>>>>>> out-of-band thinking. AI cannot solve a problem which hasn't been
>>>>>> defined. For example, you can get AI to perhaps streamline a process or
>>>>>> design, make it more efficient, but it won't come to the realisation
>>>>>> that the thing you are trying to do, may not be necessary after all. So
>>>>>> AI would have to do something it is not capable of at the moment, coming
>>>>>> to new realisations and acting on that information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The threat from AI I think is more how we act. I see a danger where we
>>>>>> trust AI, and treat it like it is a superintelligence, and we use it as
>>>>>> a crutch to make desicions, which turn out to be poor, suboptimal
>>>>>> decisions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> current models may not be able to, but there is an exponential
>>>>> curve we are riding.
>>>>
>>>> What we have seen is better models because they have more data. But
>>>> there is a leap to be made to get them to think out of band. This is a
>>>> very different type of program, and now where I think the A.I. path is
>>>> leading to at the moment.
>>>>
>>>> Machines can't think, and programs can't think.
>>>
>>> And most of programmers involved with creating AI can't think clearly either
>>> (or at least they're pushing the agenda of their masters). Garbage in,
>>> garbage out. (Remember when Google had to pull part of their AI imaging
>>> because it was so DEI that it was completely incapable of producing white
>>> Nazis or Vikings.) That's how AI "works" when it's programmed by the Woke.
>>
>> The sad part is that Debian seems to be going in that direction too.
>> Lunduke just revealed it today. Regardless of their code of conduct,
>> paid internship offers for Debian are asking Whites and Asians not to
>> apply. Strangely, Ubuntu, of all distributions, seems to be one of the
>> least woke.
>
> I don't know where Linux Mint stands here. But it shouldn't be too surprising
> that Ubuntu is less Woke. For one, they're a company that's trying to earn a
> profit and, two, they're not a U.S. based company. South Africa doesn't seem
> too keen on the Woke crap. At least they're independent of the U.S. and
> Europe in several areas. And they are part of BRICS.

Those last three were selling points when I was looking for the right
distribution. I've come to terms with the fact that my experience in
Linux is not likely to be stellar at all times, but I want to be as
self-sufficient as possible and Windows doesn't factor into that
equation. Right now, Kubuntu 24.04 is doing the job. I'll probably have
a few freezes here and there, but so far I can enable S3 on my machine
and _not_ have it use a ridiculous amount of battery power upon wake
unlike Windows, I am completely rid of Edge, I don't need to run an
application at all times just to limit my battery charge, the game I
play the most runs beautifully, I can easily split screen for use in the
class, etc.. If I don't want to be spied on, want to keep my machine for
near a decade and don't want to crash on simple things like opening an
image file, Linux will be fine.

I'm crossing fingers that I don't go nuts in the next few weeks.

--
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Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

On 2024-10-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-10-15 à 02 h 39, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-10-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-10-14 à 19 h 01, RonB a écrit :
>>>> On 2024-10-14, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-10-12, kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>>>>>> Borax Man wrote:
>>>>>>> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
>>>>>>> On 2024-10-12, kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>>>>>>>> John Smyth wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 'A Godfather of AI Just Won a Nobel. He Has Been Warning the Machines
>>>>>>>>> Could Take Over the World.'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://archive.is/VuJ4L#selection-2403.0-2597.172>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 'The newly minted Nobel laureate Geoffrey Hinton has a message about the
>>>>>>>>> artificial-intelligence systems he helped create: get more serious about
>>>>>>>>> safety or they could endanger humanity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i am 50-50 on the view that AI will pose a danger to humanity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> both sides have decent arguments and i cant make up my mind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think AI will take over, as it is not really capable of
>>>>>>> out-of-band thinking. AI cannot solve a problem which hasn't been
>>>>>>> defined. For example, you can get AI to perhaps streamline a process or
>>>>>>> design, make it more efficient, but it won't come to the realisation
>>>>>>> that the thing you are trying to do, may not be necessary after all. So
>>>>>>> AI would have to do something it is not capable of at the moment, coming
>>>>>>> to new realisations and acting on that information.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The threat from AI I think is more how we act. I see a danger where we
>>>>>>> trust AI, and treat it like it is a superintelligence, and we use it as
>>>>>>> a crutch to make desicions, which turn out to be poor, suboptimal
>>>>>>> decisions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> current models may not be able to, but there is an exponential
>>>>>> curve we are riding.
>>>>>
>>>>> What we have seen is better models because they have more data. But
>>>>> there is a leap to be made to get them to think out of band. This is a
>>>>> very different type of program, and now where I think the A.I. path is
>>>>> leading to at the moment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Machines can't think, and programs can't think.
>>>>
>>>> And most of programmers involved with creating AI can't think clearly either
>>>> (or at least they're pushing the agenda of their masters). Garbage in,
>>>> garbage out. (Remember when Google had to pull part of their AI imaging
>>>> because it was so DEI that it was completely incapable of producing white
>>>> Nazis or Vikings.) That's how AI "works" when it's programmed by the Woke.
>>>
>>> The sad part is that Debian seems to be going in that direction too.
>>> Lunduke just revealed it today. Regardless of their code of conduct,
>>> paid internship offers for Debian are asking Whites and Asians not to
>>> apply. Strangely, Ubuntu, of all distributions, seems to be one of the
>>> least woke.
>>
>> I don't know where Linux Mint stands here. But it shouldn't be too surprising
>> that Ubuntu is less Woke. For one, they're a company that's trying to earn a
>> profit and, two, they're not a U.S. based company. South Africa doesn't seem
>> too keen on the Woke crap. At least they're independent of the U.S. and
>> Europe in several areas. And they are part of BRICS.
>
> Those last three were selling points when I was looking for the right
> distribution. I've come to terms with the fact that my experience in
> Linux is not likely to be stellar at all times, but I want to be as
> self-sufficient as possible and Windows doesn't factor into that
> equation. Right now, Kubuntu 24.04 is doing the job. I'll probably have
> a few freezes here and there, but so far I can enable S3 on my machine
> and _not_ have it use a ridiculous amount of battery power upon wake
> unlike Windows, I am completely rid of Edge, I don't need to run an
> application at all times just to limit my battery charge, the game I
> play the most runs beautifully, I can easily split screen for use in the
> class, etc.. If I don't want to be spied on, want to keep my machine for
> near a decade and don't want to crash on simple things like opening an
> image file, Linux will be fine.
>
> I'm crossing fingers that I don't go nuts in the next few weeks.

Good luck. I realize that game playing (and game machines) makes Linux more
difficult to use.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Le 2024-10-16 à 07 h 36, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-10-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-10-15 à 02 h 39, RonB a écrit :
>>> On 2024-10-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> Le 2024-10-14 à 19 h 01, RonB a écrit :
>>>>> On 2024-10-14, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-10-12, kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>>>>>>> Borax Man wrote:
>>>>>>>> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-12, kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> John Smyth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 'A Godfather of AI Just Won a Nobel. He Has Been Warning the Machines
>>>>>>>>>> Could Take Over the World.'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://archive.is/VuJ4L#selection-2403.0-2597.172>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'The newly minted Nobel laureate Geoffrey Hinton has a message about the
>>>>>>>>>> artificial-intelligence systems he helped create: get more serious about
>>>>>>>>>> safety or they could endanger humanity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i am 50-50 on the view that AI will pose a danger to humanity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> both sides have decent arguments and i cant make up my mind.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think AI will take over, as it is not really capable of
>>>>>>>> out-of-band thinking. AI cannot solve a problem which hasn't been
>>>>>>>> defined. For example, you can get AI to perhaps streamline a process or
>>>>>>>> design, make it more efficient, but it won't come to the realisation
>>>>>>>> that the thing you are trying to do, may not be necessary after all. So
>>>>>>>> AI would have to do something it is not capable of at the moment, coming
>>>>>>>> to new realisations and acting on that information.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The threat from AI I think is more how we act. I see a danger where we
>>>>>>>> trust AI, and treat it like it is a superintelligence, and we use it as
>>>>>>>> a crutch to make desicions, which turn out to be poor, suboptimal
>>>>>>>> decisions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> current models may not be able to, but there is an exponential
>>>>>>> curve we are riding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What we have seen is better models because they have more data. But
>>>>>> there is a leap to be made to get them to think out of band. This is a
>>>>>> very different type of program, and now where I think the A.I. path is
>>>>>> leading to at the moment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Machines can't think, and programs can't think.
>>>>>
>>>>> And most of programmers involved with creating AI can't think clearly either
>>>>> (or at least they're pushing the agenda of their masters). Garbage in,
>>>>> garbage out. (Remember when Google had to pull part of their AI imaging
>>>>> because it was so DEI that it was completely incapable of producing white
>>>>> Nazis or Vikings.) That's how AI "works" when it's programmed by the Woke.
>>>>
>>>> The sad part is that Debian seems to be going in that direction too.
>>>> Lunduke just revealed it today. Regardless of their code of conduct,
>>>> paid internship offers for Debian are asking Whites and Asians not to
>>>> apply. Strangely, Ubuntu, of all distributions, seems to be one of the
>>>> least woke.
>>>
>>> I don't know where Linux Mint stands here. But it shouldn't be too surprising
>>> that Ubuntu is less Woke. For one, they're a company that's trying to earn a
>>> profit and, two, they're not a U.S. based company. South Africa doesn't seem
>>> too keen on the Woke crap. At least they're independent of the U.S. and
>>> Europe in several areas. And they are part of BRICS.
>>
>> Those last three were selling points when I was looking for the right
>> distribution. I've come to terms with the fact that my experience in
>> Linux is not likely to be stellar at all times, but I want to be as
>> self-sufficient as possible and Windows doesn't factor into that
>> equation. Right now, Kubuntu 24.04 is doing the job. I'll probably have
>> a few freezes here and there, but so far I can enable S3 on my machine
>> and _not_ have it use a ridiculous amount of battery power upon wake
>> unlike Windows, I am completely rid of Edge, I don't need to run an
>> application at all times just to limit my battery charge, the game I
>> play the most runs beautifully, I can easily split screen for use in the
>> class, etc.. If I don't want to be spied on, want to keep my machine for
>> near a decade and don't want to crash on simple things like opening an
>> image file, Linux will be fine.
>>
>> I'm crossing fingers that I don't go nuts in the next few weeks.
>
> Good luck. I realize that game playing (and game machines) makes Linux more
> difficult to use.

It's not just the gaming, it's the suspend too. I'll be honest, I
already ran into a machine which refused to wake in Kubuntu 24.04.
However, I hadn't yet made the necessary modifications to enable proper
functionality, from what I can tell. According to Brave's search, I have
to make sure to enable a few NVIDIA services to get it to work right and
I did that, but we'll see if I run into the problem again. Either way,
I've lost interest in the corporate crap in the same way I've lost
interest in other things I used to enjoy when I was younger. I'm more
willing to put up with such stuff, especially since I know that the
situation isn't much better in Windows anyway. There, I might be able to
use my fingerprint reader and get access to the movies I bought from
Microsoft, but I have to ensure the company constantly reinstalling Edge
and OneDrive, or telling me that my account doesn't work right because
the latter is uninstalled. Additionally, right before I decided to go
back to Linux, Windows froze from me attempting to look at a picture of
my son while watching Louder with Crowder. Why that would cause a freeze
is beyond me. It also had this weird issue where, from time to time
while the GPU was enabled, the sound would stutter for about three
seconds before going back to normal. Other people with my laptop
reported that problem so it's either a hardware or Windows thing, but
it's not happening in Linux.

If a few games don't play, I don't really care because I only really
play Civilization 6 consistently. Besides, if the games don't run
_today_, they might in a week. Linux's support for such stuff is always
improving.

--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 16:05:53 +0000, kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:

>Chris wrote:
>> kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>>> John Smyth wrote:
>>>> 'A Godfather of AI Just Won a Nobel. He Has Been Warning the Machines
>>>> Could Take Over the World.'
>>>>
>>>> <https://archive.is/VuJ4L#selection-2403.0-2597.172>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 'The newly minted Nobel laureate Geoffrey Hinton has a message about the
>>>> artificial-intelligence systems he helped create: get more serious about
>>>> safety or they could endanger humanity.
>>>
>>>
>>> i am 50-50 on the view that AI will pose a danger to humanity.
>>>
>>> both sides have decent arguments and i cant make up my mind.
>>>
>>
>> The biggest issue with "AI" is that the term is meaningless. It covers
>> simple artificial neural networks (ANNs) which is what the nobel prize has
>> recognised, but also deep learning, generative learning and fully conscious
>> agents.
>>
>> It's like saying flying a rocket to the moon is the same as cycling to
>> work.
>>
>> Some "AI" has issues, but most doesn't.
>>
>
>
>one sneak preview of the actual future:
>
>https://x.com/kirawontmiss/status/1845169666248867993
>

LOL!

What do you tip her with, batteries?

--
Reinstate the Fairness Doctrine

Four more reasons to not vote for Trump in 21 days.

46) Trump tried to shut down the Mueller investigation by ordering
White House counsel Don McGahn to fire Mueller. McGahn refused
because that would be criminal obstruction of justice.

47) Trump ordered his staff not to turn over emails showing Don Jr.
had set up a meeting at Trump Tower before the 2016 election with
representatives of the Russian government.

48) Trump convinced Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about Trump's
plans to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, and Cohen served prison
time for lying to Congress.

49) Trump was not charged for criminal obstruction of justice
because it's the Justice Department's policy not to indict a
sitting president. But more than a thousand former federal
prosecutors who served under both Republicans and Democrats
signed a letter declaring there was more than enough evidence
to prosecute Trump.

On 2024-10-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Le 2024-10-16 à 07 h 36, RonB a écrit :
>> On 2024-10-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Le 2024-10-15 à 02 h 39, RonB a écrit :
>>>> On 2024-10-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> Le 2024-10-14 à 19 h 01, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>> On 2024-10-14, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-10-12, kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Borax Man wrote:
>>>>>>>>> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-12, kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> John Smyth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 'A Godfather of AI Just Won a Nobel. He Has Been Warning the Machines
>>>>>>>>>>> Could Take Over the World.'
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://archive.is/VuJ4L#selection-2403.0-2597.172>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 'The newly minted Nobel laureate Geoffrey Hinton has a message about the
>>>>>>>>>>> artificial-intelligence systems he helped create: get more serious about
>>>>>>>>>>> safety or they could endanger humanity.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> i am 50-50 on the view that AI will pose a danger to humanity.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> both sides have decent arguments and i cant make up my mind.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't think AI will take over, as it is not really capable of
>>>>>>>>> out-of-band thinking. AI cannot solve a problem which hasn't been
>>>>>>>>> defined. For example, you can get AI to perhaps streamline a process or
>>>>>>>>> design, make it more efficient, but it won't come to the realisation
>>>>>>>>> that the thing you are trying to do, may not be necessary after all. So
>>>>>>>>> AI would have to do something it is not capable of at the moment, coming
>>>>>>>>> to new realisations and acting on that information.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The threat from AI I think is more how we act. I see a danger where we
>>>>>>>>> trust AI, and treat it like it is a superintelligence, and we use it as
>>>>>>>>> a crutch to make desicions, which turn out to be poor, suboptimal
>>>>>>>>> decisions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> current models may not be able to, but there is an exponential
>>>>>>>> curve we are riding.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What we have seen is better models because they have more data. But
>>>>>>> there is a leap to be made to get them to think out of band. This is a
>>>>>>> very different type of program, and now where I think the A.I. path is
>>>>>>> leading to at the moment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Machines can't think, and programs can't think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And most of programmers involved with creating AI can't think clearly either
>>>>>> (or at least they're pushing the agenda of their masters). Garbage in,
>>>>>> garbage out. (Remember when Google had to pull part of their AI imaging
>>>>>> because it was so DEI that it was completely incapable of producing white
>>>>>> Nazis or Vikings.) That's how AI "works" when it's programmed by the Woke.
>>>>>
>>>>> The sad part is that Debian seems to be going in that direction too.
>>>>> Lunduke just revealed it today. Regardless of their code of conduct,
>>>>> paid internship offers for Debian are asking Whites and Asians not to
>>>>> apply. Strangely, Ubuntu, of all distributions, seems to be one of the
>>>>> least woke.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know where Linux Mint stands here. But it shouldn't be too surprising
>>>> that Ubuntu is less Woke. For one, they're a company that's trying to earn a
>>>> profit and, two, they're not a U.S. based company. South Africa doesn't seem
>>>> too keen on the Woke crap. At least they're independent of the U.S. and
>>>> Europe in several areas. And they are part of BRICS.
>>>
>>> Those last three were selling points when I was looking for the right
>>> distribution. I've come to terms with the fact that my experience in
>>> Linux is not likely to be stellar at all times, but I want to be as
>>> self-sufficient as possible and Windows doesn't factor into that
>>> equation. Right now, Kubuntu 24.04 is doing the job. I'll probably have
>>> a few freezes here and there, but so far I can enable S3 on my machine
>>> and _not_ have it use a ridiculous amount of battery power upon wake
>>> unlike Windows, I am completely rid of Edge, I don't need to run an
>>> application at all times just to limit my battery charge, the game I
>>> play the most runs beautifully, I can easily split screen for use in the
>>> class, etc.. If I don't want to be spied on, want to keep my machine for
>>> near a decade and don't want to crash on simple things like opening an
>>> image file, Linux will be fine.
>>>
>>> I'm crossing fingers that I don't go nuts in the next few weeks.
>>
>> Good luck. I realize that game playing (and game machines) makes Linux more
>> difficult to use.
>
> It's not just the gaming, it's the suspend too. I'll be honest, I
> already ran into a machine which refused to wake in Kubuntu 24.04.
> However, I hadn't yet made the necessary modifications to enable proper
> functionality, from what I can tell. According to Brave's search, I have
> to make sure to enable a few NVIDIA services to get it to work right and
> I did that, but we'll see if I run into the problem again. Either way,
> I've lost interest in the corporate crap in the same way I've lost
> interest in other things I used to enjoy when I was younger. I'm more
> willing to put up with such stuff, especially since I know that the
> situation isn't much better in Windows anyway. There, I might be able to
> use my fingerprint reader and get access to the movies I bought from
> Microsoft, but I have to ensure the company constantly reinstalling Edge
> and OneDrive, or telling me that my account doesn't work right because
> the latter is uninstalled. Additionally, right before I decided to go
> back to Linux, Windows froze from me attempting to look at a picture of
> my son while watching Louder with Crowder. Why that would cause a freeze
> is beyond me. It also had this weird issue where, from time to time
> while the GPU was enabled, the sound would stutter for about three
> seconds before going back to normal. Other people with my laptop
> reported that problem so it's either a hardware or Windows thing, but
> it's not happening in Linux.
>
> If a few games don't play, I don't really care because I only really
> play Civilization 6 consistently. Besides, if the games don't run
> _today_, they might in a week. Linux's support for such stuff is always
> improving.

I'm sorry about the sleep thing. That just hasn't been an issue for me. I've
still got one computer (the old Latitude D630) that won't boot normally with
just the battery (works fine when hooked to power). The workaround is to go
into the BIOS and exit, then it boots fine fine from the battery. But I want
to find the real issue and fix it. It worked fine in earlier versions of
Linux Mint. I'm guessing it's some kind of timing issue.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Le 2024-10-17 à 02 h 30, RonB a écrit :
> On 2024-10-16, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Le 2024-10-16 à 07 h 36, RonB a écrit :
>>> On 2024-10-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> Le 2024-10-15 à 02 h 39, RonB a écrit :
>>>>> On 2024-10-15, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>>> Le 2024-10-14 à 19 h 01, RonB a écrit :
>>>>>>> On 2024-10-14, Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-12, kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Borax Man wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> ["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.advocacy.]
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-10-12, kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> John Smyth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'A Godfather of AI Just Won a Nobel. He Has Been Warning the Machines
>>>>>>>>>>>> Could Take Over the World.'
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://archive.is/VuJ4L#selection-2403.0-2597.172>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'The newly minted Nobel laureate Geoffrey Hinton has a message about the
>>>>>>>>>>>> artificial-intelligence systems he helped create: get more serious about
>>>>>>>>>>>> safety or they could endanger humanity.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> i am 50-50 on the view that AI will pose a danger to humanity.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> both sides have decent arguments and i cant make up my mind.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't think AI will take over, as it is not really capable of
>>>>>>>>>> out-of-band thinking. AI cannot solve a problem which hasn't been
>>>>>>>>>> defined. For example, you can get AI to perhaps streamline a process or
>>>>>>>>>> design, make it more efficient, but it won't come to the realisation
>>>>>>>>>> that the thing you are trying to do, may not be necessary after all. So
>>>>>>>>>> AI would have to do something it is not capable of at the moment, coming
>>>>>>>>>> to new realisations and acting on that information.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The threat from AI I think is more how we act. I see a danger where we
>>>>>>>>>> trust AI, and treat it like it is a superintelligence, and we use it as
>>>>>>>>>> a crutch to make desicions, which turn out to be poor, suboptimal
>>>>>>>>>> decisions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> current models may not be able to, but there is an exponential
>>>>>>>>> curve we are riding.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What we have seen is better models because they have more data. But
>>>>>>>> there is a leap to be made to get them to think out of band. This is a
>>>>>>>> very different type of program, and now where I think the A.I. path is
>>>>>>>> leading to at the moment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Machines can't think, and programs can't think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And most of programmers involved with creating AI can't think clearly either
>>>>>>> (or at least they're pushing the agenda of their masters). Garbage in,
>>>>>>> garbage out. (Remember when Google had to pull part of their AI imaging
>>>>>>> because it was so DEI that it was completely incapable of producing white
>>>>>>> Nazis or Vikings.) That's how AI "works" when it's programmed by the Woke.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The sad part is that Debian seems to be going in that direction too.
>>>>>> Lunduke just revealed it today. Regardless of their code of conduct,
>>>>>> paid internship offers for Debian are asking Whites and Asians not to
>>>>>> apply. Strangely, Ubuntu, of all distributions, seems to be one of the
>>>>>> least woke.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know where Linux Mint stands here. But it shouldn't be too surprising
>>>>> that Ubuntu is less Woke. For one, they're a company that's trying to earn a
>>>>> profit and, two, they're not a U.S. based company. South Africa doesn't seem
>>>>> too keen on the Woke crap. At least they're independent of the U.S. and
>>>>> Europe in several areas. And they are part of BRICS.
>>>>
>>>> Those last three were selling points when I was looking for the right
>>>> distribution. I've come to terms with the fact that my experience in
>>>> Linux is not likely to be stellar at all times, but I want to be as
>>>> self-sufficient as possible and Windows doesn't factor into that
>>>> equation. Right now, Kubuntu 24.04 is doing the job. I'll probably have
>>>> a few freezes here and there, but so far I can enable S3 on my machine
>>>> and _not_ have it use a ridiculous amount of battery power upon wake
>>>> unlike Windows, I am completely rid of Edge, I don't need to run an
>>>> application at all times just to limit my battery charge, the game I
>>>> play the most runs beautifully, I can easily split screen for use in the
>>>> class, etc.. If I don't want to be spied on, want to keep my machine for
>>>> near a decade and don't want to crash on simple things like opening an
>>>> image file, Linux will be fine.
>>>>
>>>> I'm crossing fingers that I don't go nuts in the next few weeks.
>>>
>>> Good luck. I realize that game playing (and game machines) makes Linux more
>>> difficult to use.
>>
>> It's not just the gaming, it's the suspend too. I'll be honest, I
>> already ran into a machine which refused to wake in Kubuntu 24.04.
>> However, I hadn't yet made the necessary modifications to enable proper
>> functionality, from what I can tell. According to Brave's search, I have
>> to make sure to enable a few NVIDIA services to get it to work right and
>> I did that, but we'll see if I run into the problem again. Either way,
>> I've lost interest in the corporate crap in the same way I've lost
>> interest in other things I used to enjoy when I was younger. I'm more
>> willing to put up with such stuff, especially since I know that the
>> situation isn't much better in Windows anyway. There, I might be able to
>> use my fingerprint reader and get access to the movies I bought from
>> Microsoft, but I have to ensure the company constantly reinstalling Edge
>> and OneDrive, or telling me that my account doesn't work right because
>> the latter is uninstalled. Additionally, right before I decided to go
>> back to Linux, Windows froze from me attempting to look at a picture of
>> my son while watching Louder with Crowder. Why that would cause a freeze
>> is beyond me. It also had this weird issue where, from time to time
>> while the GPU was enabled, the sound would stutter for about three
>> seconds before going back to normal. Other people with my laptop
>> reported that problem so it's either a hardware or Windows thing, but
>> it's not happening in Linux.
>>
>> If a few games don't play, I don't really care because I only really
>> play Civilization 6 consistently. Besides, if the games don't run
>> _today_, they might in a week. Linux's support for such stuff is always
>> improving.
>
> I'm sorry about the sleep thing. That just hasn't been an issue for me. I've
> still got one computer (the old Latitude D630) that won't boot normally with
> just the battery (works fine when hooked to power). The workaround is to go
> into the BIOS and exit, then it boots fine fine from the battery. But I want
> to find the real issue and fix it. It worked fine in earlier versions of
> Linux Mint. I'm guessing it's some kind of timing issue.

Governor Swill wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 16:05:53 +0000, kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>
>> Chris wrote:
>>> kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>>>> John Smyth wrote:
>>>>> 'A Godfather of AI Just Won a Nobel. He Has Been Warning the Machines
>>>>> Could Take Over the World.'
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://archive.is/VuJ4L#selection-2403.0-2597.172>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 'The newly minted Nobel laureate Geoffrey Hinton has a message about the
>>>>> artificial-intelligence systems he helped create: get more serious about
>>>>> safety or they could endanger humanity.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i am 50-50 on the view that AI will pose a danger to humanity.
>>>>
>>>> both sides have decent arguments and i cant make up my mind.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The biggest issue with "AI" is that the term is meaningless. It covers
>>> simple artificial neural networks (ANNs) which is what the nobel prize has
>>> recognised, but also deep learning, generative learning and fully conscious
>>> agents.
>>>
>>> It's like saying flying a rocket to the moon is the same as cycling to
>>> work.
>>>
>>> Some "AI" has issues, but most doesn't.
>>>
>>
>>
>> one sneak preview of the actual future:
>>
>> https://x.com/kirawontmiss/status/1845169666248867993
>>
>
> LOL!
>
> What do you tip her with, batteries?
>

with lithium.

On 10/17/2024 8:57 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:

> I don't use sleep all that much anyway, but when I do,
> I expect it to work. It does in Windows, but I'm convinced that I can
> get it to work reliably in Linux somehow.

Keep hope alive!

As the deceased cola-idiot basher amicus_curious (Bill Weisgerber) used
to say:

"Hope is what replaces action when you run out of ideas."

LOL!

Take away hope and cola/Linux/FOSS crumbles to the ground.

Le 2024-10-17 à 09 h 37, DFS a écrit :
> On 10/17/2024 8:57 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>
>> I don't use sleep all that much anyway, but when I do, I expect it to
>> work. It does in Windows, but I'm convinced that I can get it to work
>> reliably in Linux somehow.
>
>
> Keep hope alive!
>
>
> As the deceased cola-idiot basher amicus_curious (Bill Weisgerber) used
> to say:
>
> "Hope is what replaces action when you run out of ideas."
>
> LOL!
>
> Take away hope and cola/Linux/FOSS crumbles to the ground.

Honestly though, even you, DFS, must be aware of how things are
degenerating on the proprietary side. They're pushing AI like there is
no tomorrow, they're making surveillance more commonplace without a care
as to how it might affect the user. Programs that should be light are
bloated, cloud functionality is forced on the user (install Windows 11
clean and notice that all of your personal folders are within
/OneDrive/), you can't remove the browser, it keeps demanding to make
itself the default, etc.. Sure, some things might work great, but a lot
of things are ridiculously awful. For example, on a fresh install of
Windows, my sound would routinely stutter if the GPU was enabled (common
problem in Windows on this model of laptop). In addition, right before
giving up, just watching Louder with Crowder and opening an image of my
son caused the damned machine to freeze. How do you even explain that?
It's just laughable for a paid product to do such things.

So yeah, Linux software is often shit. The operating system is
inconsistent. Many of its developers have drunk the Marxist Kool-Aid.
Its users are frequently flaming fagots like Chris Ahlstrom or Joel
Crump. However, just like RonB said, you don't pay for it. If something
doesn't work right, you can probably fix it and you didn't pay a cent to
do so. Why do we need to continue paying for a product whose owners and
developers don't mind progressively taking away our rights and believe
that we can't be allowed to even _own_ the software we paid for? Why do
we need to let them know whatever they want about us by default? Why
does our information have to be on the cloud because it makes it easier
for them to decide whether we are guilty of wrongthink?

Stallman was right. Modern society shouldn't have to surrender to this.

--
CrudeSausage
Paleoconservative, Catholic, Christ is king.

On 10/17/2024 10:11 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
> Le 2024-10-17 à 09 h 37, DFS a écrit :
>> On 10/17/2024 8:57 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I don't use sleep all that much anyway, but when I do, I expect it to
>>> work. It does in Windows, but I'm convinced that I can get it to work
>>> reliably in Linux somehow.
>>
>>
>> Keep hope alive!
>>
>>
>> As the deceased cola-idiot basher amicus_curious (Bill Weisgerber)
>> used to say:
>>
>> "Hope is what replaces action when you run out of ideas."
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> Take away hope and cola/Linux/FOSS crumbles to the ground.
>
> Honestly though, even you, DFS, must be aware of how things are
> degenerating on the proprietary side.

Most of your claims are paranoid fantasies. Those that aren't fantasies
are irrelevant.

> They're pushing AI like there is no tomorrow,

Yes. And it will continue for a long time. But what's the problem with it?

> they're making surveillance more commonplace without a care
> as to how it might affect the user.

In your mind. You have no evidence of this.

> Programs that should be light are bloated,

Load up MS Office and LibreOffice and check the memory usage of each.

> cloud functionality is forced on the user (install Windows 11 > clean
and notice that all of your personal folders are within
> /OneDrive/),

If so, they're empty and you don't have to use them and you can remove
them and uninstall OneDrive. I uninstalled OneDrive immediately and it
hasn't come back, despite many Windows updates.

I am going to reinstall Win11 soon just to clean out the Registry.

> you can't remove the browser,

Yes you can. MS's public message is it can't be uninstalled, but it can be.

I haven't tried this but:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Open a new browser window in Microsoft Edge and paste the following into
the address bar to find the Edge version number: edge://settings/help.

Cut and paste the following address: C:\Program Files
(x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\{ YOUR Version.Number}\Installer in
File Explorer.

Open a new Command Prompt window as an admin within the folder and paste
the following command and press Enter: setup.exe --uninstall
--system-level --verbose-logging --force-uninstall.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

> it keeps demanding to make itself the default,

I haven't seen that. Occasionally a not-associated file type will open
in Edge, but I told Windows 11 one time Brave is my default browser, and
I rarely ever see Edge.

> etc.. Sure, some things might work great, but a lot > of things are
ridiculously awful. For example, on a fresh install of
> Windows, my sound would routinely stutter if the GPU was enabled (common
> problem in Windows on this model of laptop). In addition, right before
> giving up, just watching Louder with Crowder and opening an image of my
> son caused the damned machine to freeze. How do you even explain that?
> It's just laughable for a paid product to do such things.

You get paid to teach, right? Does getting paid mean you NEVER make a
mistake?

> So yeah, Linux software is often shit. The operating system is
> inconsistent. Many of its developers have drunk the Marxist Kool-Aid.
> Its users are frequently flaming fagots like Chris Ahlstrom or Joel
> Crump. However, just like RonB said, you don't pay for it.

I paid $7 for a legal Win11 Pro license (via Gamer's Outlet).

> If something doesn't work right, you can probably fix it

Maybe, maybe not.

In the past I suffered MANY non-working menu items in Linux. Click on
an entry and nothing happens. The command that was executed looked
correct (when you edited the shortcut) but it just didn't work.

Sometimes the app could be launched from the command line, sometimes not.

> and you didn't pay a cent to do so.

You pay with your time.

> Why do we need to continue paying for a product whose owners and
> developers don't mind progressively taking away our rights

Which rights are you referring to?

> and believe
> that we can't be allowed to even _own_ the software we paid for?

You don't own any GuhNoo/FOSS software you download, either. The
copyright stays with the developer or the FSF.

They often let you do what you want with their code (though they may
demand you give them any changes you make), but it's still not yours.

> Why do we need to let them know whatever they want about us by default?

You don't. They don't.

No need to be paranoid. You and I and many millions around the world
have been posting racial and religious and political vitriol online for
decades. What consequences have you suffered from that behavior?

> Why
> does our information have to be on the cloud because it makes it easier
> for them to decide whether we are guilty of wrongthink?

Your info isn't taken from your computer and posted on the cloud. Why
claim that it is?

> Stallman was right. Modern society shouldn't have to surrender to this.

What statements did Stallman make about AI and privacy, etc?

Le 2024-10-17 à 11 h 38, DFS a écrit :
> On 10/17/2024 10:11 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> Le 2024-10-17 à 09 h 37, DFS a écrit :
>>> On 10/17/2024 8:57 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I don't use sleep all that much anyway, but when I do, I expect it
>>>> to work. It does in Windows, but I'm convinced that I can get it to
>>>> work reliably in Linux somehow.
>>>
>>>
>>> Keep hope alive!
>>>
>>>
>>> As the deceased cola-idiot basher amicus_curious (Bill Weisgerber)
>>> used to say:
>>>
>>> "Hope is what replaces action when you run out of ideas."
>>>
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>> Take away hope and cola/Linux/FOSS crumbles to the ground.
>>
>> Honestly though, even you, DFS, must be aware of how things are
>> degenerating on the proprietary side.
>
> Most of your claims are paranoid fantasies.  Those that aren't fantasies
> are irrelevant.

It's a paranoid fantasy to claim that Microsoft is monitoring your usage
even though those are the biggest criticisms of Windows 11 and CoPilot
second? You might want to read up on the matter to see which information
Microsoft gathers and how much of it.

>> They're pushing AI like there is no tomorrow,
>
> Yes.  And it will continue for a long time.  But what's the problem with
> it?

To be effective and accurate, the AI has to base itself on a large
amount of data available on the web as well as private data its
developer has gathered without your knowledge.

>> they're making surveillance more commonplace without a care as to how
>> it might affect the user.
>
> In your mind.  You have no evidence of this.

*I* don't need the evidence of it because people much smarter than me
have already gathered it all. One such individual is Rob Braxman. Watch
any of his videos and you'll understand that the surveillance is much
worse than you realize. Besides, even before him, Snowden made it very
clear that all of our systems are open to such surveillance.

>> Programs that should be light are bloated,
>
> Load up MS Office and LibreOffice and check the memory usage of each.

Where did I talk about office suites in that message? It's not normal
for an image viewer to be as heavy as it is in Windows 11. It's also not
normal for things as simple as a drawing utility to take up as many
resources as it does. They're making them heavier to get us to upgrade.
We're essentially doing the same thing we did twenty years ago but we
need infinitely more powerful machines today to do the same task. That
should give you some pause.

> > cloud functionality is forced on the user (install Windows 11 > clean
> and notice that all of your personal folders are within
>> /OneDrive/),
>
>
> If so, they're empty and you don't have to use them and you can remove
> them and uninstall OneDrive.  I uninstalled OneDrive immediately and it
> hasn't come back, despite many Windows updates.
>
> I am going to reinstall Win11 soon just to clean out the Registry.

Doesn't it bother you that the registry is such a mess that you even
need to do so?

> > you can't remove the browser,
>
> Yes you can.  MS's public message is it can't be uninstalled, but it can
> be.
>
> I haven't tried this but:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Open a new browser window in Microsoft Edge and paste the following into
> the address bar to find the Edge version number: edge://settings/help.
>
> Cut and paste the following address: C:\Program Files
> (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\{ YOUR Version.Number}\Installer in
> File Explorer.
>
> Open a new Command Prompt window as an admin within the folder and paste
> the following command and press Enter: setup.exe --uninstall --system-
> level --verbose-logging --force-uninstall.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

I used Revo Uninstaller to permanently remove Microsot Edge. A week
later, it was back. Even if you can take it off, Microsoft has no
interest in letting you live without it.

> > it keeps demanding to make itself the default,
>
> I haven't seen that.  Occasionally a not-associated file type will open
> in Edge, but I told Windows 11 one time Brave is my default browser, and
> I rarely ever see Edge.

Click on any of the items in the widgets, including the weather, and it
will open in Edge. They don't care that you'd rather the site be opened
in Brave.

> > etc.. Sure, some things might work great, but a lot > of things are
> ridiculously awful. For example, on a fresh install of
>> Windows, my sound would routinely stutter if the GPU was enabled
>> (common problem in Windows on this model of laptop). In addition,
>> right before giving up, just watching Louder with Crowder and opening
>> an image of my son caused the damned machine to freeze. How do you
>> even explain that? It's just laughable for a paid product to do such
>> things.
>
> You get paid to teach, right?  Does getting paid mean you NEVER make a
> mistake?

How the _fuck_ does an operating system crash from opening an image?

>> So yeah, Linux software is often shit. The operating system is
>> inconsistent. Many of its developers have drunk the Marxist Kool-Aid.
>> Its users are frequently flaming fagots like Chris Ahlstrom or Joel
>> Crump. However, just like RonB said, you don't pay for it.
>
> I paid $7 for a legal Win11 Pro license (via Gamer's Outlet).

Good for you. Is that how everyone obtained it? Did they have to pay for
the license when they bought the computer?

>> If something doesn't work right, you can probably fix it
>
> Maybe, maybe not.
>
> In the past I suffered MANY non-working menu items in Linux.  Click on
> an entry and nothing happens.  The command that was executed looked
> correct (when you edited the shortcut) but it just didn't work.
>
> Sometimes the app could be launched from the command line, sometimes not.

And I will be the first to admit that it's true in a number of
distributions even with a clean install. It can be fixed but it's
unforgiveable to deploy a system in that state. I agree with that.

>> and you didn't pay a cent to do so.
>
> You pay with your time.

And some people find that the trouble is worth it because it makes them
smarter about their operating system. Not everyone feels comfortable
using a computer without understanding _how_ it works.

>> Why do we need to continue paying for a product whose owners and
>> developers don't mind progressively taking away our rights
>
> Which rights are you referring to?

The right to own what you paid for.

>> and believe that we can't be allowed to even _own_ the software we
>> paid for?
>
> You don't own any GuhNoo/FOSS software you download, either.  The
> copyright stays with the developer or the FSF.
>
> They often let you do what you want with their code (though they may
> demand you give them any changes you make), but it's still not yours.

But the moment you take their code and add to it, essentially forking
it, it becomes your own as long as you respect the original developer by
crediting them and allowing them to take your code as easily as you did
theirs. That is still better than what proprietary is offering in terms
of rights.

>> Why do we need to let them know whatever they want about us by default?
>
> You don't.  They don't.
>
> No need to be paranoid.  You and I and many millions around the world
> have been posting racial and religious and political vitriol online for
> decades.  What consequences have you suffered from that behavior?

Nothing until we become people of interest to them. If ever we do
because we publicly expressed an unpopular opinion, they will have a ton
of data at their disposal to use against us in a prosecution. Much like
I encrypt all of my incoming e-mail, contacts and calendar despite it
being uninteresting because I don't feel that they have a right to see
it by default, I don't believe they have the right to have a treasure
trove of information on us by default should they choose to use it.

>> Why does our information have to be on the cloud because it makes it
>> easier for them to decide whether we are guilty of wrongthink?
>
> Your info isn't taken from your computer and posted on the cloud.  Why
> claim that it is?

By default, both Windows and MacOS sync your documents folder with their
cloud. You can disable it, but a lot of people are as clueless as my
mother and have no idea how to do that.

On 10/17/2024 6:25 AM, kazu wrote:
> Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 16:05:53 +0000, kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>>
>>> Chris wrote:
>>>> kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>>>>> John Smyth wrote:
>>>>>> 'A Godfather of AI Just Won a Nobel. He Has Been Warning the Machines
>>>>>> Could Take Over the World.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://archive.is/VuJ4L#selection-2403.0-2597.172>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'The newly minted Nobel laureate Geoffrey Hinton has a message
>>>>>> about the
>>>>>> artificial-intelligence systems he helped create: get more serious
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> safety or they could endanger humanity.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i am 50-50 on the view that AI will pose a danger to humanity.
>>>>>
>>>>> both sides have decent arguments and i cant make up my mind.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The biggest issue with "AI" is that the term is meaningless. It covers
>>>> simple artificial neural networks (ANNs) which is what the nobel
>>>> prize has
>>>> recognised, but also deep learning, generative learning and fully
>>>> conscious
>>>> agents.
>>>>
>>>> It's like saying flying a rocket to the moon is the same as cycling to
>>>> work.
>>>>
>>>> Some "AI" has issues, but most doesn't.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> one sneak preview of the actual future:
>>>
>>> https://x.com/kirawontmiss/status/1845169666248867993
>>>
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> What do you tip her with, batteries?
>>
>
> with lithium.

Tablets with a glass of water?

Dave Wainwright wrote:
> On 10/17/2024 6:25 AM, kazu wrote:
>> Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 16:05:53 +0000, kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>> kazu <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:
>>>>>> John Smyth wrote:
>>>>>>> 'A Godfather of AI Just Won a Nobel. He Has Been Warning
>>>>>>> the Machines
>>>>>>> Could Take Over the World.'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://archive.is/VuJ4L#selection-2403.0-2597.172>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'The newly minted Nobel laureate Geoffrey Hinton has a
>>>>>>> message about the
>>>>>>> artificial-intelligence systems he helped create: get more
>>>>>>> serious about
>>>>>>> safety or they could endanger humanity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i am 50-50 on the view that AI will pose a danger to humanity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> both sides have decent arguments and i cant make up my mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The biggest issue with "AI" is that the term is meaningless.
>>>>> It covers
>>>>> simple artificial neural networks (ANNs) which is what the
>>>>> nobel prize has
>>>>> recognised, but also deep learning, generative learning and
>>>>> fully conscious
>>>>> agents.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's like saying flying a rocket to the moon is the same as
>>>>> cycling to
>>>>> work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some "AI" has issues, but most doesn't.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> one sneak preview of the actual future:
>>>>
>>>> https://x.com/kirawontmiss/status/1845169666248867993
>>>>
>>>
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>> What do you tip her with, batteries?
>>>
>>
>> with lithium.
>
> Tablets with a glass of water?
>

its their drug of choice.

Le 2024-10-18 à 15 h 28, Stéphane CARPENTIER a écrit :
> Le 17-10-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
>> On 10/17/2024 10:11 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>> they're making surveillance more commonplace without a care
>>> as to how it might affect the user.
>>
>> In your mind. You have no evidence of this.
>
> <https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/>

DFS will find a way to disregard such things because it's a Tesla car,
not Windows. Microsoft would never do such a thing... despite being part
of the PRISM program.

--
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On 18 Oct 2024 19:28:50 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> <https://www.reuters.com/technology/tesla-workers-shared-sensitive-
images-recorded-by-customer-cars-2023-04-06/>

I don't remember the crime show but none of the surveillance cameras
picked up the plate on a car they were trying to identify. However the
camera did show a Tesla parked behind the vehicle of interest. That one
they could identify and got the footage from the owner. I'd never thought
about yet another invasion of privacy.

"Since about 2016, Tesla has employed hundreds of people in Africa and
later the United States to label images to help its cars learn how to
recognize pedestrians, street signs, construction vehicles, garage doors
and other objects encountered on the road or at customers’ houses. To
accomplish that, data labelers were given access to thousands of videos or
images recorded by car cameras that they would view and identify objects."

I'd mentioned in another post that image recognition requires a huge
amount of labeled images for training. Nothing like outsourcing it to
Africa. I wonder if an Kenyan princes were able to exploit the data?

Le 19-10-2024, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :
>
> I'd mentioned in another post that image recognition requires a huge
> amount of labeled images for training. Nothing like outsourcing it to
> Africa. I wonder if an Kenyan princes were able to exploit the data?

The purpose is not for the Kenyan princes to exploit the data, but as
you said, it "requires a huge amount of labeled images". So to label
images, it needs people. It doesn't need very expensive educated people,
it only requires people. So, the less expensive the guys, the better.
That's why they do it in Africa.

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> Le 19-10-2024, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :
>>
>> I'd mentioned in another post that image recognition requires a huge
>> amount of labeled images for training. Nothing like outsourcing it to
>> Africa. I wonder if an Kenyan princes were able to exploit the data?
>
> The purpose is not for the Kenyan princes to exploit the data, but as
> you said, it "requires a huge amount of labeled images". So to label
> images, it needs people. It doesn't need very expensive educated people,
> it only requires people. So, the less expensive the guys, the better.
> That's why they do it in Africa.

Plus Musk has buddies there :-)

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