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        `- Re: Security? What "Security"?Kerr-Mudd, John

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Subject: Re: Security? What "Security"?
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
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From: ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence D'Oliveiro)
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Subject: Re: Security? What "Security"?
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On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:21:41 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:

> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
> wrote:
>
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 06:18 this Monday (GMT):
>>>
>>> On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 15:17:35 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>
>>>> My pet rock Gordon asserts that every networked device has a
>>>> backdoor.
>>>
>>> Is Gordon a networked device? How did it communicate that message to
>>> you?
>>
>> A networked rock?
>
> Gordon is a primary node on the Extranet but he and I have a direct P2P
> telepathic link for a shorter ping.

So he is a networked device. And according to his statement, every
networked device has a backdoor. Therefore Gordon has a backdoor.

Is Gordon still to be trusted?

Subject: Re: Security? What "Security"?
From: Joel
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From: joelcrump@gmail.com (Joel)
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Subject: Re: Security? What "Security"?
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snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

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>Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>> >candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
>> >wrote:
>> >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 06:18 this Monday (GMT):
>> >> > On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 15:17:35 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> My pet rock Gordon asserts that every networked device has a backdoor.
>> >> >
>> >> > Is Gordon a networked device? How did it communicate that message to you?
>> >>
>> >> A networked rock?
>> >
>> >Gordon is a primary node on the Extranet but he and I have a direct P2P
>> >telepathic link for a shorter ping.
>>
>> So, you hated on me for liking trans women, but you're talking about a
>> rock as if it's alive. OK.
>
>I don't know you well enough to hate you but I will say this:
>Gordon talks more sense than you do. [fu2: adn]

OK, Mac user.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Subject: Re: Security? What "Security"?
From: Sn!pe
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:21:41 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:
>
> > candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 06:18 this Monday (GMT):
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 15:17:35 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> My pet rock Gordon asserts that every networked device has a
> >>>> backdoor.
> >>>
> >>> Is Gordon a networked device? How did it communicate that message to
> >>> you?
> >>
> >> A networked rock?
> >
> > Gordon is a primary node on the Extranet but he and I have
> > a direct P2P telepathic link for a shorter ping.
>
> So he is a networked device. And according to his statement, every
> networked device has a backdoor. Therefore Gordon has a backdoor.
>
> Is Gordon still to be trusted?

Of course, he's as solid as a rock; not that we worry about lack
of privacy. As everybody should know, privacy is utterly dead
and security is naught but an illusion.

In any case, life is just a dream. (# sh-boom, sh-boom)

--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, VC, PTB, FIBS

My pet rock Gordon eagerly awaits the expected socialist paradise.

Subject: Re: Security? What "Security"?
From: Sn!pe
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Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> OK, Mac user.

<giggle> ≈:o)

--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, VC, PTB, FIBS

My pet rock Gordon eagerly awaits the expected socialist paradise.

Subject: Re: Security? What "Security"?
From: candycanearter07
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Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote at 21:44 this Friday (GMT):
> % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sn!pe wrote:
>> > % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Sn!pe wrote:
>> >>> My pet rock Gordon asserts that every networked device has a backdoor.
>> >>> Therefore, anything viewable in clear on that device is insecure and the
>> >>> quality of message encryption is moot.
>> >>>
>> >> meet me half way
>> >
>> > [puzzled] Is that encrypted? Maybe it's encrapted.
>>
>> half way between your house and mine
>
> Somewhere off the coast of Newfoundland? It's a bit wet there.

Maybe bring a boat :)
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

Subject: Re: Security? What "Security"?
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On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 19:30:05 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

> Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote at 21:44 this Friday (GMT):
>> % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sn!pe wrote:
>>> > % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Sn!pe wrote:
>>> >>> My pet rock Gordon asserts that every networked device has a
>>> >>> backdoor. Therefore, anything viewable in clear on that device is
>>> >>> insecure and the quality of message encryption is moot.
>>> >>>
>>> >> meet me half way
>>> >
>>> > [puzzled] Is that encrypted? Maybe it's encrapted.
>>>
>>> half way between your house and mine
>>
>> Somewhere off the coast of Newfoundland? It's a bit wet there.
>
>
> Maybe bring a boat :)

Preferably a knarr in honor of the first European settlers in North
America. Screw Columbus.

Subject: Re: Security? What "Security"?
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snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

>> OK, Mac user.
>
><giggle> ?:o)

Seriously, though, you right-brained weirdoes can keep your overpriced
goofyware. ARM computers in the "PC" realm are now emerging, Apple
was first out of the gate, and I credit them for that, but I could put
openSUSE on a laptop, not made by Apple, and laugh at the suckers who
rely on them.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Subject: Re: Security? What "Security"?
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Sn!pe <snipeco.1@gmail.com> wrote:
>Of course, he's as solid as a rock; not that we worry about lack
>of privacy. As everybody should know, privacy is utterly dead
>and security is naught but an illusion.

And a rock feels no pain. And an island never cries.
--scott

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Subject: Re: Security? What "Security"?
From: Sn!pe
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From: snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe)
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Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:

> Sn!pe <snipeco.1@gmail.com> wrote:
> >Of course, he's as solid as a rock; not that we worry about lack
> >of privacy. As everybody should know, privacy is utterly dead
> >and security is naught but an illusion.
> >
>
> And a rock feels no pain. And an island never cries.
> --scott

True, that, although Gordon is quite empathetic. To expect
sympathy is going a bit far though, he's seen it all before.
Anyway, he is my rock. ≈:o)

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My pet rock Gordon eagerly awaits the expected socialist paradise.

Subject: Re: Security? What "Security"?
From: candycanearter07
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Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote at 01:03 this Wednesday (GMT):
> Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
>
>> Sn!pe <snipeco.1@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Of course, he's as solid as a rock; not that we worry about lack
>> >of privacy. As everybody should know, privacy is utterly dead
>> >and security is naught but an illusion.
>> >
>>
>> And a rock feels no pain. And an island never cries.
>> --scott
>
> True, that, although Gordon is quite empathetic. To expect
> sympathy is going a bit far though, he's seen it all before.
> Anyway, he is my rock. ≈:o)

Pet rocks are always cute :)
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Subject: Re: Security? What "Security"?
From: Kerr-Mudd, John
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On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 18:10:04 -0000 (UTC)
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:

> Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote at 01:03 this Wednesday (GMT):
> > Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Sn!pe <snipeco.1@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Of course, he's as solid as a rock; not that we worry about lack
> >> >of privacy. As everybody should know, privacy is utterly dead
> >> >and security is naught but an illusion.
> >> >
> >>
> >> And a rock feels no pain. And an island never cries.
> >> --scott
> >
> > True, that, although Gordon is quite empathetic. To expect
> > sympathy is going a bit far though, he's seen it all before.
> > Anyway, he is my rock. ≈:o)
>
>
> Pet rocks are always cute :)

Petroc is a popular name is some areas.

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