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Subject: Linux 6.11.1
From: vallor
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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2024 14:59 UTC

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Subject: Linux 6.11.1
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$ uname -a
Linux lm 6.11.1 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Fri Oct 4 07:28:27 PDT 2024 x86_64
x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

real 381.72
user 17989.30
sys 3829.71

....and "make oldconfig" didn't show any config changes from 6.11.

--
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
OS: Linux 6.11.1 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"High message: 9434567. Message last read: 9."

Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.1
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Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.1
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> vallor wrote:
> $ uname -a
> Linux lm 6.11.1 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Fri Oct 4 07:28:27 PDT 2024
x86_64
> x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> real 381.72
> user 17989.30
> sys 3829.71
>
> ....and "make oldconfig" didn't show any config changes
from 6.11.
>
> --
> -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
> OS: Linux 6.11.1 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
> "High message: 9434567. Message last read:
9."

Your timing results are quite interesting:

Suggests that the user space processes are consuming a significant
amount of CPU time, which might be expected depending on the workload
youre running.

This is a response to the post seen at:
http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=675288421#675288421

Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.1
From: vallor
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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2024 20:19 UTC
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Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.1
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On Fri, 04 Oct 2024 19:25:22 +0000,
mummycullen@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (MummyChunk) wrote in
<K5qdnVNmCYK_3J36nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com>:

>> vallor wrote:
> > $ uname -a Linux lm 6.11.1 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Fri Oct 4 07:28:27
> > PDT 2024
> x86_64
> > x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
> >
> > real 381.72 user 17989.30 sys 3829.71
> >
> > ....and "make oldconfig" didn't show any config changes
> from 6.11.
> >
> > --
> > -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
> > OS: Linux 6.11.1 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G "High message:
> > 9434567. Message last read:
> 9."
>
> Your timing results are quite interesting:
>
> Suggests that the user space processes are consuming a significant
> amount of CPU time, which might be expected depending on the workload
> youre running.

Those are the times for building the Linux source tree, which spends
most of its time running gcc.

It's a lot to compile -- I build a "kitchen sink" kernel -- but
"make -j64" does it in about six and a half minutes of
wall-clock time.

--
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
OS: Linux 6.11.1 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"To boldly go and watch Star Trek re-runs."

Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.1
From: DFS
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On 10/4/2024 10:59 AM, vallor wrote:
> $ uname -a
> Linux lm 6.11.1 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Fri Oct 4 07:28:27 PDT 2024 x86_64
> x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> real 381.72
> user 17989.30
> sys 3829.71
>
> ...and "make oldconfig" didn't show any config changes from 6.11.

Linux kernel numbering:
x.y.z.
x is the major release
y is the minor revision
z is the patch number

So long term kernel 4.19.322 went thru a LOT of minor revisions and
patches before it was released.

Patch 322 alone had 97 commits. So possibly 10s of thousands of commits
between minor revisions.

linux-4.19.1.tar.gz 04-Nov-2018 13:57 152M
linux-4.19.322.tar.gz 12-Sep-2024 09:08 152M

How's that same size possible, with all that new code (not all commits
are added code obviously, so there must have been a LOT of fixes)?

https://mirrors.edge.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v4.x/

This! Is! Linux!

Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.1
From: Stéphane CARPENTIER
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Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2024 20:04 UTC
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Le 05-10-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
>
> How's that same size possible, with all that new code (not all commits
> are added code obviously, so there must have been a LOT of fixes)?
>
> https://mirrors.edge.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v4.x/
>
> This! Is! Linux!

It's a good thing to know that on Linux the bugs are fixed. Microsoft
should be inspired.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.1
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
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On 05 Oct 2024 20:04:00 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> It's a good thing to know that on Linux the bugs are fixed. Microsoft
> should be inspired.

In Open Source, once bugs are fixed, they tend to stay fixed.

So that’s another hurdle for Microsoft to face.

Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.1
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On 10/4/2024 4:19 PM, vallor wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Oct 2024 19:25:22 +0000,
> mummycullen@gmail-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (MummyChunk) wrote in
> <K5qdnVNmCYK_3J36nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>
>>> vallor wrote:
>> > $ uname -a Linux lm 6.11.1 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Fri Oct 4 07:28:27
>> > PDT 2024
>> x86_64
>> > x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>> >
>> > real 381.72 user 17989.30 sys 3829.71
>> >
>> > ....and "make oldconfig" didn't show any config changes
>> from 6.11.
>> >
>> > --
>> > -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
>> > OS: Linux 6.11.1 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G "High message:
>> > 9434567. Message last read:
>> 9."
>>
>> Your timing results are quite interesting:
>>
>> Suggests that the user space processes are consuming a significant
>> amount of CPU time, which might be expected depending on the workload
>> youre running.
>
> Those are the times for building the Linux source tree, which spends
> most of its time running gcc.
>
> It's a lot to compile -- I build a "kitchen sink" kernel -- but
> "make -j64" does it in about six and a half minutes of
> wall-clock time.

I assume you're aware of:

https://elixir.free-electrons.com

Sure would be nice to be able to browse the Windows 11 source code.

Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.1
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
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On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 11:56:25 -0400, DFS wrote:

> Sure would be nice to be able to browse the Windows 11 source code.

Not a pretty sight.

Yes, there have been leaks of Windows source code before.

Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.1
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On 10/11/2024 6:49 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 11:56:25 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> Sure would be nice to be able to browse the Windows 11 source code.
>
> Not a pretty sight.

You follow this stuff, and you KNOW the public reviews of the MS source
are positive. And there are no doubt hacks galore to deal with legacy
apps; that's what happens when you maintain backward compatibility as
well as MS does.

So quit babbling like Feeb.

> Yes, there have been leaks of Windows source code before.

Win2K. I have it.

Subject: Re: Linux 6.11.1
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On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 19:50:03 -0400, DFS wrote:

> You follow this stuff, and you KNOW the public reviews of the MS source
> are positive.

Nope.

<https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7w7rcv/we_are_morons_a_quick_look_at_the_win2k_source/>

Time to be aggressive. Go after a tattooed Virgo.

comp / comp.os.linux.advocacy / Re: Linux 6.11.1

Subject	Author
Linux 6.11.1	vallor
Re: Linux 6.11.1	MummyChunk
Re: Linux 6.11.1	vallor
Re: Linux 6.11.1	DFS
Re: Linux 6.11.1	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: Linux 6.11.1	DFS
Re: Linux 6.11.1	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: Linux 6.11.1	DFS
Re: Linux 6.11.1	Stéphane CARPENTIER
Re: Linux 6.11.1	Lawrence D'Oliveiro