I get it for building a server farm or mainframe LPARS
running Linux and these are good areas for Linux but why
the fuck would anyone punish themselves by using Linux as
a desktop system?
It's pure suicide.

--
TT

On 2024-10-07 7:38 p.m., Tranny Tori wrote:
> I get it for building a server farm or mainframe LPARS
> running Linux and these are good areas for Linux but why
> the fuck would anyone punish themselves by using Linux as
> a desktop system?
> It's pure suicide.

No telemetry, lighter code, a feeling of complete control. However, most
Linux distributions use Firefox and Thunderbird by default and these are
known to collect data by default, so the telemetry argument is out the
window unless you get rid of those two.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

Tranny Tori <email@address.com> wrote:

>I get it for building a server farm or mainframe LPARS
>running Linux and these are good areas for Linux but why
>the fuck would anyone punish themselves by using Linux as
>a desktop system?
>It's pure suicide.

Hi, Tori, nice to meet you. I agree with you, when you have an i9
with 64 GB RAM and NVMe storage, go with Win11 but definitely disable
Copilot. But for a more modest box, even one that technically can run
Winblows, like mine, it sucks compared to Linux. Linux is sleek.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>On 2024-10-07 7:38 p.m., Tranny Tori wrote:
>
>> I get it for building a server farm or mainframe LPARS
>> running Linux and these are good areas for Linux but why
>> the fuck would anyone punish themselves by using Linux as
>> a desktop system?
>> It's pure suicide.
>
>No telemetry, lighter code, a feeling of complete control. However, most
>Linux distributions use Firefox and Thunderbird by default and these are
>known to collect data by default, so the telemetry argument is out the
>window unless you get rid of those two.

I'd rather Mozilla do it than M$.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Tranny Tori wrote this post; take it under advisement:

> I get it for building a server farm or mainframe LPARS
> running Linux and these are good areas for Linux but why
> the fuck would anyone punish themselves by using Linux as
> a desktop system?
> It's pure suicide.

Troll harder. You're talking to people who mostly love Linux.

And, to some of them, Windows is the torture/suicide :-D

--
As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing.

On 2024-10-07, Tranny Tori <email@address.com> wrote:
> I get it for building a server farm or mainframe LPARS
> running Linux and these are good areas for Linux but why
> the fuck would anyone punish themselves by using Linux as
> a desktop system?
> It's pure suicide.

If by "suicide" you meant "genius."

Adios moron.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-07, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-10-07 7:38 p.m., Tranny Tori wrote:
>> I get it for building a server farm or mainframe LPARS
>> running Linux and these are good areas for Linux but why
>> the fuck would anyone punish themselves by using Linux as
>> a desktop system?
>> It's pure suicide.
>
> No telemetry, lighter code, a feeling of complete control. However, most
> Linux distributions use Firefox and Thunderbird by default and these are
> known to collect data by default, so the telemetry argument is out the
> window unless you get rid of those two.

Yeah, because Mac OS and Windows are so much better about "not" collecting
personal information.

As for "getting rid of Firefox and Thunderbird," you can do that. Or you
could just go to the Security settings and turn telemetry off.

Problem solved either way.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-08 7:35 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-10-07, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-10-07 7:38 p.m., Tranny Tori wrote:
>>> I get it for building a server farm or mainframe LPARS
>>> running Linux and these are good areas for Linux but why
>>> the fuck would anyone punish themselves by using Linux as
>>> a desktop system?
>>> It's pure suicide.
>>
>> No telemetry, lighter code, a feeling of complete control. However, most
>> Linux distributions use Firefox and Thunderbird by default and these are
>> known to collect data by default, so the telemetry argument is out the
>> window unless you get rid of those two.
>
> Yeah, because Mac OS and Windows are so much better about "not" collecting
> personal information.

I never said that they were. What I'm saying is that if you're using
Linux because you're concerned about telemetry, then you're being
hypocritical.

> As for "getting rid of Firefox and Thunderbird," you can do that. Or you
> could just go to the Security settings and turn telemetry off.
>
> Problem solved either way.

That's not a problem, but I imagine that most people aren't even aware
of the telemetry and won't have known to do that.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 11:35:38 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> As for "getting rid of Firefox and Thunderbird," you can do that. Or you
> could just go to the Security settings and turn telemetry off.

I don't have Thunderbird on the Fedora box but on Ubuntu telemetry is
disabled in the build and the checkbox is grayed out. The crash report
checkbox is unchecked.

"Allow Thunderbird to send technical and interaction data to Mozilla
Data reporting is disabled for this build configuration

Allow Thunderbird to send backlogged crash reports on your behalf"

On 2024-10-08 12:56 p.m., rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 11:35:38 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> As for "getting rid of Firefox and Thunderbird," you can do that. Or you
>> could just go to the Security settings and turn telemetry off.
>
> I don't have Thunderbird on the Fedora box but on Ubuntu telemetry is
> disabled in the build and the checkbox is grayed out. The crash report
> checkbox is unchecked.
>
> "Allow Thunderbird to send technical and interaction data to Mozilla
> Data reporting is disabled for this build configuration
>
> Allow Thunderbird to send backlogged crash reports on your behalf"

I believe that is because the Firefox in Ubuntu is maintained by Ubuntu
itself rather than Mozilla.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On 2024-10-08, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-10-08 7:35 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-10-07, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-07 7:38 p.m., Tranny Tori wrote:
>>>> I get it for building a server farm or mainframe LPARS
>>>> running Linux and these are good areas for Linux but why
>>>> the fuck would anyone punish themselves by using Linux as
>>>> a desktop system?
>>>> It's pure suicide.
>>>
>>> No telemetry, lighter code, a feeling of complete control. However, most
>>> Linux distributions use Firefox and Thunderbird by default and these are
>>> known to collect data by default, so the telemetry argument is out the
>>> window unless you get rid of those two.
>>
>> Yeah, because Mac OS and Windows are so much better about "not" collecting
>> personal information.
>
> I never said that they were. What I'm saying is that if you're using
> Linux because you're concerned about telemetry, then you're being
> hypocritical.

Not really. The telemetry on Windows and MacOS is a LOT more pervasive and
almost impossible to completely remove. And Windows (the control freaks who
program it) decide what you should do with your computer if you're using
their crap. My daughter and her husband have just run into Windows' "fun and
games" when their Microsoft Windows computer "helpfully" automatically
updated their computer from Windows 10 to Windows 11. Now, apparently, they
have several issues — one, apparently, with the network card driver.

>> As for "getting rid of Firefox and Thunderbird," you can do that. Or you
>> could just go to the Security settings and turn telemetry off.
>>
>> Problem solved either way.
>
> That's not a problem, but I imagine that most people aren't even aware
> of the telemetry and won't have known to do that.

That could be true but, "supposedly," telemetry is just there for quality
control. But I tend to be skeptical also. I go through Firefox and
Thunderbird and get rid of things like automatically saving credit card
numbers, etc. I turn off allowing notifications and requests to use my
camera or audio, for whatever may "need" audio or the camera... like
"Virtual Reality." Virtual reality? Really? What is the hell is that all
about? Personally I look at it this way. I'll decide what and when I want
turned on, on a case by case basis when I need it. I've NEVER like
applications that try to think for me and make decisions for me. (It's one
of the main reasons why I hated Microsoft Office.)

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-10-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 11:35:38 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> As for "getting rid of Firefox and Thunderbird," you can do that. Or you
>> could just go to the Security settings and turn telemetry off.
>
> I don't have Thunderbird on the Fedora box but on Ubuntu telemetry is
> disabled in the build and the checkbox is grayed out. The crash report
> checkbox is unchecked.
>
> "Allow Thunderbird to send technical and interaction data to Mozilla
> Data reporting is disabled for this build configuration
>
> Allow Thunderbird to send backlogged crash reports on your behalf"

I think it is on Linux Mint also. I don't believe I've ever had to uncheck
it in Thunderbird.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 2024-10-08, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-10-08 7:35 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-07, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-10-07 7:38 p.m., Tranny Tori wrote:

>>>>> I get it for building a server farm or mainframe LPARS
>>>>> running Linux and these are good areas for Linux but why
>>>>> the fuck would anyone punish themselves by using Linux as
>>>>> a desktop system?
>>>>> It's pure suicide.
>>>>
>>>> No telemetry, lighter code, a feeling of complete control. However, most
>>>> Linux distributions use Firefox and Thunderbird by default and these are
>>>> known to collect data by default, so the telemetry argument is out the
>>>> window unless you get rid of those two.
>>>
>>> Yeah, because Mac OS and Windows are so much better about "not" collecting
>>> personal information.
>>
>> I never said that they were. What I'm saying is that if you're using
>> Linux because you're concerned about telemetry, then you're being
>> hypocritical.
>
>Not really. The telemetry on Windows and MacOS is a LOT more pervasive and
>almost impossible to completely remove. And Windows (the control freaks who
>program it) decide what you should do with your computer if you're using
>their crap. My daughter and her husband have just run into Windows' "fun and
>games" when their Microsoft Windows computer "helpfully" automatically
>updated their computer from Windows 10 to Windows 11. Now, apparently, they
>have several issues — one, apparently, with the network card driver.

Being forced to use 11 is wrong, if that is accurate.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-10-09 2:12 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-10-08, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-10-08 7:35 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-07, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-10-07 7:38 p.m., Tranny Tori wrote:
>>>>> I get it for building a server farm or mainframe LPARS
>>>>> running Linux and these are good areas for Linux but why
>>>>> the fuck would anyone punish themselves by using Linux as
>>>>> a desktop system?
>>>>> It's pure suicide.
>>>>
>>>> No telemetry, lighter code, a feeling of complete control. However, most
>>>> Linux distributions use Firefox and Thunderbird by default and these are
>>>> known to collect data by default, so the telemetry argument is out the
>>>> window unless you get rid of those two.
>>>
>>> Yeah, because Mac OS and Windows are so much better about "not" collecting
>>> personal information.
>>
>> I never said that they were. What I'm saying is that if you're using
>> Linux because you're concerned about telemetry, then you're being
>> hypocritical.
>
> Not really. The telemetry on Windows and MacOS is a LOT more pervasive and
> almost impossible to completely remove. And Windows (the control freaks who
> program it) decide what you should do with your computer if you're using
> their crap. My daughter and her husband have just run into Windows' "fun and
> games" when their Microsoft Windows computer "helpfully" automatically
> updated their computer from Windows 10 to Windows 11. Now, apparently, they
> have several issues — one, apparently, with the network card driver.

I don't have that issue so I can't comment on it. However, I can't
recall a single Windows in the past which didn't suddenly lose
recognition of hardware which worked fine on the previous version. I
used to force Windows 7 to run the Vista driver for my scanner because
the new version didn't see a point of supporting a scanner from 2003.

>>> As for "getting rid of Firefox and Thunderbird," you can do that. Or you
>>> could just go to the Security settings and turn telemetry off.
>>>
>>> Problem solved either way.
>>
>> That's not a problem, but I imagine that most people aren't even aware
>> of the telemetry and won't have known to do that.
>
> That could be true but, "supposedly," telemetry is just there for quality
> control. But I tend to be skeptical also. I go through Firefox and
> Thunderbird and get rid of things like automatically saving credit card
> numbers, etc. I turn off allowing notifications and requests to use my
> camera or audio, for whatever may "need" audio or the camera... like
> "Virtual Reality." Virtual reality? Really? What is the hell is that all
> about? Personally I look at it this way. I'll decide what and when I want
> turned on, on a case by case basis when I need it. I've NEVER like
> applications that try to think for me and make decisions for me. (It's one
> of the main reasons why I hated Microsoft Office.)

Meanwhile, many of us don't have a choice but to support Microsoft
Office because everyone else doesn't mind the fact that the suite makes
decisions for them. Even if LibreOffice isn't the solution, OpenDocument
is. That should be the default, not Microsoft's format.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On 2024-10-09 2:13 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-10-08, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 11:35:38 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>
>>> As for "getting rid of Firefox and Thunderbird," you can do that. Or you
>>> could just go to the Security settings and turn telemetry off.
>>
>> I don't have Thunderbird on the Fedora box but on Ubuntu telemetry is
>> disabled in the build and the checkbox is grayed out. The crash report
>> checkbox is unchecked.
>>
>> "Allow Thunderbird to send technical and interaction data to Mozilla
>> Data reporting is disabled for this build configuration
>>
>> Allow Thunderbird to send backlogged crash reports on your behalf"
>
> I think it is on Linux Mint also. I don't believe I've ever had to uncheck
> it in Thunderbird.

If I'm not mistaken, the Thunderbird used in Mint is no different than
the one in Ubuntu, a .deb that is entirely maintained by Ubuntu itself
rather than Mozilla.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

On 2024-10-09, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-10-09 2:12 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-10-08, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-10-08 7:35 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>>> On 2024-10-07, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-10-07 7:38 p.m., Tranny Tori wrote:
>>>>>> I get it for building a server farm or mainframe LPARS
>>>>>> running Linux and these are good areas for Linux but why
>>>>>> the fuck would anyone punish themselves by using Linux as
>>>>>> a desktop system?
>>>>>> It's pure suicide.
>>>>>
>>>>> No telemetry, lighter code, a feeling of complete control. However, most
>>>>> Linux distributions use Firefox and Thunderbird by default and these are
>>>>> known to collect data by default, so the telemetry argument is out the
>>>>> window unless you get rid of those two.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, because Mac OS and Windows are so much better about "not" collecting
>>>> personal information.
>>>
>>> I never said that they were. What I'm saying is that if you're using
>>> Linux because you're concerned about telemetry, then you're being
>>> hypocritical.
>>
>> Not really. The telemetry on Windows and MacOS is a LOT more pervasive and
>> almost impossible to completely remove. And Windows (the control freaks who
>> program it) decide what you should do with your computer if you're using
>> their crap. My daughter and her husband have just run into Windows' "fun and
>> games" when their Microsoft Windows computer "helpfully" automatically
>> updated their computer from Windows 10 to Windows 11. Now, apparently, they
>> have several issues — one, apparently, with the network card driver.
>
> I don't have that issue so I can't comment on it. However, I can't
> recall a single Windows in the past which didn't suddenly lose
> recognition of hardware which worked fine on the previous version. I
> used to force Windows 7 to run the Vista driver for my scanner because
> the new version didn't see a point of supporting a scanner from 2003.
>
>>>> As for "getting rid of Firefox and Thunderbird," you can do that. Or you
>>>> could just go to the Security settings and turn telemetry off.
>>>>
>>>> Problem solved either way.
>>>
>>> That's not a problem, but I imagine that most people aren't even aware
>>> of the telemetry and won't have known to do that.
>>
>> That could be true but, "supposedly," telemetry is just there for quality
>> control. But I tend to be skeptical also. I go through Firefox and
>> Thunderbird and get rid of things like automatically saving credit card
>> numbers, etc. I turn off allowing notifications and requests to use my
>> camera or audio, for whatever may "need" audio or the camera... like
>> "Virtual Reality." Virtual reality? Really? What is the hell is that all
>> about? Personally I look at it this way. I'll decide what and when I want
>> turned on, on a case by case basis when I need it. I've NEVER like
>> applications that try to think for me and make decisions for me. (It's one
>> of the main reasons why I hated Microsoft Office.)
>
> Meanwhile, many of us don't have a choice but to support Microsoft
> Office because everyone else doesn't mind the fact that the suite makes
> decisions for them. Even if LibreOffice isn't the solution, OpenDocument
> is. That should be the default, not Microsoft's format.

Agreed.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 11:35:38 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> As for "getting rid of Firefox and Thunderbird," you can do that. Or you
>> could just go to the Security settings and turn telemetry off.
>
> I don't have Thunderbird on the Fedora box but on Ubuntu telemetry is
> disabled in the build and the checkbox is grayed out. The crash report
> checkbox is unchecked.
>
> "Allow Thunderbird to send technical and interaction data to Mozilla
> Data reporting is disabled for this build configuration
>
> Allow Thunderbird to send backlogged crash reports on your behalf"

Interestingly, the Chromium install in Debian Testing searches using DuckDuckGo
by default.

Anaconda don't care:

--
Never eat anything bigger than your head.