On Oct 3, 2024 at 3:35:54 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
<vdn689$3ssv4$19@dont-email.me>:

> On 03 Oct 2024 06:24:50 GMT, Snit wrote:
>
>> I did. And I see the bias in it. As ChatGPT says of it:
>
> If you need a machine to tell you what to think, or to validate what you
> think ... I think that just confirms my point.

You started with "if" ... and then made a bad assumption on the answer. Maybe
you need AI to help you.

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On Oct 3, 2024 at 3:11:33 PM MST, "%" wrote
<TB-dnUm5hoM9i2L7nZ2dnZfqnPgLyJ2d@giganews.com>:

> Snit wrote:
>> On Oct 3, 2024 at 11:01:52 AM MST, "%" wrote
>> <GuWdnf3O76aNQWP7nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>> On Oct 3, 2024 at 10:29:46 AM MST, "%" wrote
>>>> <FUqdnaTZerMWSWP7nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Oct 3, 2024 at 9:13:33 AM MST, "%" wrote
>>>>>> <Vw2dnTbC4rMqX2P7nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2024 at 6:20:43 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>>>>>>>> <vdkrha$3ep7f$2@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 03 Oct 2024 00:58:04 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2024 at 5:42:20 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <vdkp9b$3ed1r$7@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You’re not one of these “software pirates”, are you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No you are, or yes you’re not?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not a pirate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> no ardy ar ar
>>>>>>
>>>>>> May Tea?
>>>>>>
>>>>> another harbor party
>>>>
>>>> Harbors a lot of resentment.
>>>>
>>> wait
>>>
>>> harboring a fugitive
>>
>> Uh oh, I think I might need a bigger hiding spot.
>>
> you're going to need a bigger shark

I can barely jump the one I have.

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On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 22:38:12 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vdn6ck$3ssv4$20@dont-email.me>:

> On 3 Oct 2024 08:15:07 GMT, vallor wrote:
>
>> Personally, I used kdenlive -- but my editing needs are minimal.
>
> There are YouTube content creators using kdenlive, so it is not exactly
> a toy contender.
>
> Blender also works as a video editor, believe it or not. And it
> integrates a compositor (plus 3D modelling/animation/physics) into the
> same workflow.
> Try doing that with any other software.

Well, besides kdenlive and Black Magic Designs DaVinci Resolve, there's
a new kid on the block that I just heard of: Olive.

https://www.olivevideoeditor.org/about

Has anybody tried it?

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On Oct 3, 2024 at 5:21:04 PM MST, "vallor" wrote
<lm8qnfFiq3oU9@mid.individual.net>:

> On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 22:38:12 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vdn6ck$3ssv4$20@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 3 Oct 2024 08:15:07 GMT, vallor wrote:
>>
>>> Personally, I used kdenlive -- but my editing needs are minimal.
>>
>> There are YouTube content creators using kdenlive, so it is not exactly
>> a toy contender.
>>
>> Blender also works as a video editor, believe it or not. And it
>> integrates a compositor (plus 3D modelling/animation/physics) into the
>> same workflow.
>> Try doing that with any other software.
>
> Well, besides kdenlive and Black Magic Designs DaVinci Resolve, there's
> a new kid on the block that I just heard of: Olive.
>
> https://www.olivevideoeditor.org/about
>
> Has anybody tried it?

I am sure someone has!

:)

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Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> You pay for their [mac]OS when you pay through the nose, for their hardware
>>> it runs on.
>>
>> Not really. Back in the intel days if you specced out a similar standard of
>> windows machine it came to approx the same price.
>>
>> What you pay through the nose for is OEM windows installs. Paying over £100
>> for crippled Home version is robbery. There's a reason why there's a huge
>> market for "second hand" licences.
>
>
> That's more than in the U.S., but I believe you.

The Pro version is nearly £200.

>
>> Plus macOS is fully functional as it comes with the majority of software
>> you need day to day.
>
>
> So does Linux.

Agreed.

>
>>> It's actually a lot cheaper to get Winblows the same way,
>>> through an OEM preinstalled, than it is to get a Mac.
>>
>> Only if you buy cheap. Then all macOS upgrades are free and have been for
>> nearly 10 years. You have to jump through hoops to get similar service from
>> MS.
>
>
> Same thing with them, I got Win10 free in 2015, Win11 free in 2021.

Those were time limited offers. Even if I had a compatible PC I'd have to
pay to upgrade to Win11

>
>>> If Apple were
>>> offering more kinds of software, it wouldn't all be anymore free than
>>> Final Cut Pro.
>>
>> You mean like a fully functional Office suite?
>
>
> As if LO isn't available for all platforms?

That's not the point. The statement above was how Apple wouldn't provide
free software. Except it does.

On 03 Oct 2024 23:31:50 GMT, Snit wrote:

> On Oct 3, 2024 at 3:35:54 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
> <vdn689$3ssv4$19@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 03 Oct 2024 06:24:50 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> I did. And I see the bias in it. As ChatGPT says of it:
>>
>> If you need a machine to tell you what to think, or to validate what
>> you think ... I think that just confirms my point.
>
> You started with "if" ... and then made a bad assumption on the answer.
> Maybe you need AI to help you.

Unlike you, I can think for myself.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On 03 Oct 2024 23:31:50 GMT, Snit wrote:
>
>> On Oct 3, 2024 at 3:35:54 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>> <vdn689$3ssv4$19@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 03 Oct 2024 06:24:50 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> I did. And I see the bias in it. As ChatGPT says of it:
>>>
>>> If you need a machine to tell you what to think, or to validate what
>>> you think ... I think that just confirms my point.
>>
>> You started with "if" ... and then made a bad assumption on the answer.
>> Maybe you need AI to help you.
>
> Unlike you, I can think for myself.
>

You would get fewer crossposts if you made fewer.

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On 04/10/2024 01:21, vallor wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 22:38:12 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
> <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <vdn6ck$3ssv4$20@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 3 Oct 2024 08:15:07 GMT, vallor wrote:
>>
>>> Personally, I used kdenlive -- but my editing needs are minimal.
>>
>> There are YouTube content creators using kdenlive, so it is not exactly
>> a toy contender.
>>
>> Blender also works as a video editor, believe it or not. And it
>> integrates a compositor (plus 3D modelling/animation/physics) into the
>> same workflow.
>> Try doing that with any other software.
>
> Well, besides kdenlive and Black Magic Designs DaVinci Resolve, there's
> a new kid on the block that I just heard of: Olive.
>
> https://www.olivevideoeditor.org/about
>
> Has anybody tried it?
>
No. I use openshot for simple editing

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On Oct 3, 2024 at 11:58:48 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
<vdo3n7$4q92$3@dont-email.me>:

> On 03 Oct 2024 23:31:50 GMT, Snit wrote:
>
>> On Oct 3, 2024 at 3:35:54 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>> <vdn689$3ssv4$19@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 03 Oct 2024 06:24:50 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> I did. And I see the bias in it. As ChatGPT says of it:
>>>
>>> If you need a machine to tell you what to think, or to validate what
>>> you think ... I think that just confirms my point.
>>
>> You started with "if" ... and then made a bad assumption on the answer.
>> Maybe you need AI to help you.
>
> Unlike you, I can think for myself.

So why don't you?

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 04 Oct 2024 13:48:04 GMT, Snit wrote:

> On Oct 3, 2024 at 11:58:48 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
> <vdo3n7$4q92$3@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 03 Oct 2024 23:31:50 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 3, 2024 at 3:35:54 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>>> <vdn689$3ssv4$19@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> On 03 Oct 2024 06:24:50 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I did. And I see the bias in it. As ChatGPT says of it:
>>>>
>>>> If you need a machine to tell you what to think, or to validate what
>>>> you think ... I think that just confirms my point.
>>>
>>> You started with "if" ... and then made a bad assumption on the
>>> answer.
>>> Maybe you need AI to help you.
>>
>> Unlike you, I can think for myself.
>
> So why don't you?

Ask your AI: “Is that an example of someone thinking for themself?”, and
see what it says.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On 04 Oct 2024 13:48:04 GMT, Snit wrote:
>
>> On Oct 3, 2024 at 11:58:48 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>> <vdo3n7$4q92$3@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 03 Oct 2024 23:31:50 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Oct 3, 2024 at 3:35:54 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>>>> <vdn689$3ssv4$19@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 03 Oct 2024 06:24:50 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I did. And I see the bias in it. As ChatGPT says of it:
>>>>>
>>>>> If you need a machine to tell you what to think, or to validate what
>>>>> you think ... I think that just confirms my point.
>>>>
>>>> You started with "if" ... and then made a bad assumption on the
>>>> answer.
>>>> Maybe you need AI to help you.
>>>
>>> Unlike you, I can think for myself.
>>
>> So why don't you?
>
> Ask your AI: “Is that an example of someone thinking for themself?”, and
> see what it says.
>

It would say 'themselves'.

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Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> You pay for their [mac]OS when you pay through the nose, for their hardware
>>>> it runs on.
>>>
>>> Not really. Back in the intel days if you specced out a similar standard of
>>> windows machine it came to approx the same price.
>>>
>>> What you pay through the nose for is OEM windows installs. Paying over £100
>>> for crippled Home version is robbery. There's a reason why there's a huge
>>> market for "second hand" licences.
>>
>> That's more than in the U.S., but I believe you.
>
>The Pro version is nearly £200.

I paid $200 USD for retail Pro, in 2021, from microsoft.com. Home
there is $139, last I checked. But for a Dell in the U.S., you're
paying at most $50 I believe for Home. I am not surprised it's more
in your market, though.

>>> Then all macOS upgrades are free and have been for
>>> nearly 10 years. You have to jump through hoops to get similar service from
>>> MS.
>>
>> Same thing with them, I got Win10 free in 2015, Win11 free in 2021.
>
>Those were time limited offers. Even if I had a compatible PC I'd have to
>pay to upgrade to Win11

Upgrading from Win10 is still free, to Win11.

>>>> If Apple were
>>>> offering more kinds of software, it wouldn't all be anymore free than
>>>> Final Cut Pro.
>>>
>>> You mean like a fully functional Office suite?
>>
>> As if LO isn't available for all platforms?
>
>That's not the point. The statement above was how Apple wouldn't provide
>free software. Except it does.

Yeah, but their office suite isn't anything that special, a lot of
people with Macs are paying for Microsoft Office. I liked the Mac
version of it, in fact, oddly enough. I hate the Winblows version.

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Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 4 Oct 2024 00:21:04 GMT, vallor wrote:

>
> Well, besides kdenlive and Black Magic Designs DaVinci Resolve, there's
> a new kid on the block that I just heard of: Olive.
>
> https://www.olivevideoeditor.org/about
>
> Has anybody tried it?
>

Olive is just another GUI front end to ffmpeg and a lot of other stuff
like libtiff, libjpeg, libpng, etc., etc.

I'm not saying that it's a bad thing, but I am saying that we must be aware
of exactly what is going on behind the GUI glitz.

The majority of the credit goes to ffmpeg and all the others. Olive
and its cousins just wrap it all in a more-or-less useful GUI.

Siri Cruise wrote:
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On 04 Oct 2024 13:48:04 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 3, 2024 at 11:58:48 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>>> <vdo3n7$4q92$3@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> On 03 Oct 2024 23:31:50 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 3, 2024 at 3:35:54 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>>>>> <vdn689$3ssv4$19@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 03 Oct 2024 06:24:50 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did. And I see the bias in it. As ChatGPT says of it:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you need a machine to tell you what to think, or to
>>>>>> validate what
>>>>>> you think ... I think that just confirms my point.
>>>>>
>>>>> You started with "if" ... and then made a bad assumption on the
>>>>> answer.
>>>>> Maybe you need AI to help you.
>>>>
>>>> Unlike you, I can think for myself.
>>>
>>> So why don't you?
>>
>> Ask your AI: “Is that an example of someone thinking for
>> themself?”, and
>> see what it says.
>>
>
> It would say 'themselves'.
>

there is debate on weather humans think for themselves at all in
the volitional sense.

Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> You pay for their [mac]OS when you pay through the nose, for their hardware
>>>>> it runs on.
>>>>
>>>> Not really. Back in the intel days if you specced out a similar standard of
>>>> windows machine it came to approx the same price.
>>>>
>>>> What you pay through the nose for is OEM windows installs. Paying over £100
>>>> for crippled Home version is robbery. There's a reason why there's a huge
>>>> market for "second hand" licences.
>>>
>>> That's more than in the U.S., but I believe you.
>>
>> The Pro version is nearly £200.
>
>
> I paid $200 USD for retail Pro, in 2021, from microsoft.com. Home
> there is $139, last I checked. But for a Dell in the U.S., you're
> paying at most $50 I believe for Home. I am not surprised it's more
> in your market, though.
>
>
>>>> Then all macOS upgrades are free and have been for
>>>> nearly 10 years. You have to jump through hoops to get similar service from
>>>> MS.
>>>
>>> Same thing with them, I got Win10 free in 2015, Win11 free in 2021.
>>
>> Those were time limited offers. Even if I had a compatible PC I'd have to
>> pay to upgrade to Win11
>
>
> Upgrading from Win10 is still free, to Win11.

How? My PC is unsupported.

>
>>>>> If Apple were
>>>>> offering more kinds of software, it wouldn't all be anymore free than
>>>>> Final Cut Pro.
>>>>
>>>> You mean like a fully functional Office suite?
>>>
>>> As if LO isn't available for all platforms?
>>
>> That's not the point. The statement above was how Apple wouldn't provide
>> free software. Except it does.
>
>
> Yeah, but their office suite isn't anything that special,

Don't obviate my point. LO is shockingly bad and falling increasingly
behind.

> a lot of
> people with Macs are paying for Microsoft Office.

Mostly because it's what everyone thinks they need. For home users Apple's
software plenty good enough, like LO ( but better).

In business/work MS office is a necessity.

> I liked the Mac
> version of it, in fact, oddly enough.

Me too. I find it more stable than what here from my windows colleagues.
MacOS powerpoint is an excellent piece of software.

> I hate the Winblows version.
>

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>> Then all macOS upgrades are free and have been for
>>>>> nearly 10 years. You have to jump through hoops to get similar service from
>>>>> MS.
>>>>
>>>> Same thing with them, I got Win10 free in 2015, Win11 free in 2021.
>>>
>>> Those were time limited offers. Even if I had a compatible PC I'd have to
>>> pay to upgrade to Win11
>>
>> Upgrading from Win10 is still free, to Win11.
>
>How? My PC is unsupported.

You might not be able to upgrade on the same machine, true, but your
license would work on a new machine if you have the product key (ones
from Win7/8.x that have been activated with Win10, along with 10 keys,
will activate 11).

>>>>>> If Apple were
>>>>>> offering more kinds of software, it wouldn't all be anymore free than
>>>>>> Final Cut Pro.
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean like a fully functional Office suite?
>>>>
>>>> As if LO isn't available for all platforms?
>>>
>>> That's not the point. The statement above was how Apple wouldn't provide
>>> free software. Except it does.
>>
>> Yeah, but their office suite isn't anything that special,
>
>Don't obviate my point. LO is shockingly bad and falling increasingly
>behind.

Admittedly, Microsoft Office does sell their and Apple's OSes, and
it's a real limitation of the Linux et al platform, but to me LO is
what I prefer, so there was never a plus to using Windows in that
specific regard.

>> a lot of
>> people with Macs are paying for Microsoft Office.
>
>Mostly because it's what everyone thinks they need. For home users Apple's
>software plenty good enough, like LO ( but better).
>
>In business/work MS office is a necessity.
>
>> I liked the Mac
>> version of it, in fact, oddly enough.
>
>Me too. I find it more stable than what here from my windows colleagues.
>MacOS powerpoint is an excellent piece of software.

I didn't see a strong resemblance between the macOS/OS X version and
the Windows version. Same basic purposes, but not really alike in
implementation.

--
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Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.