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Subject: How The Media and Goverment Lie To You Sheep.
From: John Smyth
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2024 21:20 UTC

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From: smythlejon2@hotmail.com (John Smyth)
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Subject: How The Media and Goverment Lie To You Sheep.
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1. They said

2.They said Trump was a Russian asset.

3.They said Trump would start WW3.

4 They said COVID did not come from a lab.

5. They said masks and distancing worked.

6. They said Hunter Biden's laptop was no real.

7. They said Biden was sharp as a tack.

8. They said human-trafficking was a conspiracy theory.

9. They said there was no humanitarian crisis at the border

10. They said the vaccines were safe and effective.

ALL OF IT........Turned out to be a LIE.

So why do you still trust the government and the media which are really
one and the same?

Subject: Re: How The Media and Goverment Lie To You Sheep.
From: %
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John Smyth wrote:
> 1. They said
>
> 2.They said Trump was a Russian asset.
>
> 3.They said Trump would start WW3.
>
> 4 They said COVID did not come from a lab.
>
> 5. They said masks and distancing worked.
>
> 6. They said Hunter Biden's laptop was no real.
>
> 7. They said Biden was sharp as a tack.
>
> 8. They said human-trafficking was a conspiracy theory.
>
> 9. They said there was no humanitarian crisis at the border
>
> 10. They said the vaccines were safe and effective.
>
> ALL OF IT........Turned out to be a LIE.
>
> So why do you still trust the government and the media which are really
> one and the same?
>
>
there's no other option

Subject: Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
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Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 00:01 UTC
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From: ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence D'Oliveiro)
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Subject: Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.
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They make you pay money for their products, and then, in an attempt to
compete with Free Software, make it seem like they’re doing you a big
favour by offering you even more limited crippleware versions, at a cheap
price or as “freeware”. And you say to yourself “such a deal!” and fall
for it.

Subject: Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.
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On Oct 2, 2024 at 5:01:50 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
<vdkmte$3e4pf$5@dont-email.me>:

> They make you pay money for their products,

No they do not.

> and then, in an attempt to
> compete with Free Software, make it seem like they’re doing you a big
> favour by offering you even more limited crippleware versions, at a cheap
> price or as “freeware”. And you say to yourself “such a deal!” and fall
> for it.

--
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

Subject: Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
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On 03 Oct 2024 00:30:12 GMT, Snit wrote:

> On Oct 2, 2024 at 5:01:50 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
> <vdkmte$3e4pf$5@dont-email.me>:
>
>> They make you pay money for their products,
>
> No they do not.

You’re not one of these “software pirates”, are you?

Subject: Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On 03 Oct 2024 00:30:12 GMT, Snit wrote:
>> On Oct 2, 2024 at 5:01:50?PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>> <vdkmte$3e4pf$5@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> They make you pay money for their products,
>>
>> No they do not.
>
>You’re not one of these “software pirates”, are you?

He's an Apple person primarily, I think he just meant that you choose
to purchase their stuff, that they don't "make you".

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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On Oct 2, 2024 at 5:42:20 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
<vdkp9b$3ed1r$7@dont-email.me>:

> On 03 Oct 2024 00:30:12 GMT, Snit wrote:
>
>> On Oct 2, 2024 at 5:01:50 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>> <vdkmte$3e4pf$5@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> They make you pay money for their products,
>>
>> No they do not.
>
> You’re not one of these “software pirates”, are you?

No.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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On 03 Oct 2024 00:58:04 GMT, Snit wrote:

> On Oct 2, 2024 at 5:42:20 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
> <vdkp9b$3ed1r$7@dont-email.me>:
>
>> You’re not one of these “software pirates”, are you?
>
> No.

No you are, or yes you’re not?

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On 03 Oct 2024 00:58:04 GMT, Snit wrote:
>
>> On Oct 2, 2024 at 5:42:20 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>> <vdkp9b$3ed1r$7@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> You’re not one of these “software pirates”, are you?
>>
>> No.
>
> No you are, or yes you’re not?
>
if he was then he wouldn't be

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On Oct 2, 2024 at 6:20:43 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
<vdkrha$3ep7f$2@dont-email.me>:

> On 03 Oct 2024 00:58:04 GMT, Snit wrote:
>
>> On Oct 2, 2024 at 5:42:20 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>> <vdkp9b$3ed1r$7@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> You’re not one of these “software pirates”, are you?
>>
>> No.
>
> No you are, or yes you’re not?

I am not a pirate.

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On Oct 2, 2024 at 6:56:30 PM MST, "%" wrote
<3tudnXeQQ4tTZGD7nZ2dnZfqnPYAAAAA@giganews.com>:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On 03 Oct 2024 00:58:04 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2024 at 5:42:20 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>>> <vdkp9b$3ed1r$7@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> You’re not one of these “software pirates”, are you?
>>>
>>> No.
>>
>> No you are, or yes you’re not?
>>
> if he was then he wouldn't be

If I did, you would, then we all might, so I won't.

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On 03 Oct 2024 02:01:38 GMT, Snit wrote:

> On Oct 2, 2024 at 6:20:43 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
> <vdkrha$3ep7f$2@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 03 Oct 2024 00:58:04 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2024 at 5:42:20 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>>> <vdkp9b$3ed1r$7@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> You’re not one of these “software pirates”, are you?
>>>
>>> No.
>>
>> No you are, or yes you’re not?
>
> I am not a pirate.

But you don’t deny you have been one in the past ...

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On 03 Oct 2024 02:01:38 GMT, Snit wrote:
>
>>>>> You’re not one of these “software pirates”, are you?
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>
>>> No you are, or yes you’re not?
>>
>> I am not a pirate.
>
>But you don’t deny you have been one in the past ...

What does it matter? Personal use of pirated software isn't a crime,
it's just stupid, giving up the security of the device and performance
of the app, if I want commercial software I pay for it.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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On Oct 2, 2024 at 8:53:42 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
<vdl4g6$3jhjh$5@dont-email.me>:

> On 03 Oct 2024 02:01:38 GMT, Snit wrote:
>
>> On Oct 2, 2024 at 6:20:43 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>> <vdkrha$3ep7f$2@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 03 Oct 2024 00:58:04 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Oct 2, 2024 at 5:42:20 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>>>> <vdkp9b$3ed1r$7@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> You’re not one of these “software pirates”, are you?
>>>>
>>>> No.
>>>
>>> No you are, or yes you’re not?
>>
>> I am not a pirate.
>
> But you don’t deny you have been one in the past ...

I also did not deny I was a hamster in the past. What conclusions do you reach
from these facts?

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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On 03 Oct 2024 05:36:39 GMT, Snit wrote:

> On Oct 2, 2024 at 8:53:42 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
> <vdl4g6$3jhjh$5@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 03 Oct 2024 02:01:38 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2024 at 6:20:43 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>>> <vdkrha$3ep7f$2@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> On 03 Oct 2024 00:58:04 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 2, 2024 at 5:42:20 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>>>>> <vdkp9b$3ed1r$7@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You’re not one of these “software pirates”, are you?
>>>>>
>>>>> No.
>>>>
>>>> No you are, or yes you’re not?
>>>
>>> I am not a pirate.
>>
>> But you don’t deny you have been one in the past ...
>
> I also did not deny I was a hamster in the past.

So you admit it!

Microsoft and Apple have you well-trained on that wheel, haven’t they.

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On Oct 2, 2024 at 10:41:08 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
<vdlapj$3kcvl$1@dont-email.me>:

> On 03 Oct 2024 05:36:39 GMT, Snit wrote:
>
>> On Oct 2, 2024 at 8:53:42 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>> <vdl4g6$3jhjh$5@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 03 Oct 2024 02:01:38 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Oct 2, 2024 at 6:20:43 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>>>> <vdkrha$3ep7f$2@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 03 Oct 2024 00:58:04 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2024 at 5:42:20 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>>>>>> <vdkp9b$3ed1r$7@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You’re not one of these “software pirates”, are you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No.
>>>>>
>>>>> No you are, or yes you’re not?
>>>>
>>>> I am not a pirate.
>>>
>>> But you don’t deny you have been one in the past ...
>>
>> I also did not deny I was a hamster in the past.
>
> So you admit it!

That I was a hamster. Well, I guess.
>
> Microsoft and Apple have you well-trained on that wheel, haven’t they.

What do they have to do with hamsters?

--
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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On 03 Oct 2024 06:00:54 GMT, Snit wrote:

> On Oct 2, 2024 at 10:41:08 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
> <vdlapj$3kcvl$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 03 Oct 2024 05:36:39 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2024 at 8:53:42 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>>> <vdl4g6$3jhjh$5@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> On 03 Oct 2024 02:01:38 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 2, 2024 at 6:20:43 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>>>>> <vdkrha$3ep7f$2@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 03 Oct 2024 00:58:04 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2024 at 5:42:20 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>>>>>>> <vdkp9b$3ed1r$7@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You’re not one of these “software pirates”, are you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No you are, or yes you’re not?
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not a pirate.
>>>>
>>>> But you don’t deny you have been one in the past ...
>>>
>>> I also did not deny I was a hamster in the past.
>>
>> So you admit it!
>
> That I was a hamster. Well, I guess.
>>
>> Microsoft and Apple have you well-trained on that wheel, haven’t they.
>
> What do they have to do with hamsters?

Did you look at the subject line before posting?

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On Oct 2, 2024 at 11:17:28 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
<vdlcto$3km80$1@dont-email.me>:

> On 03 Oct 2024 06:00:54 GMT, Snit wrote:
>
>> On Oct 2, 2024 at 10:41:08 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>> <vdlapj$3kcvl$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 03 Oct 2024 05:36:39 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Oct 2, 2024 at 8:53:42 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>>>> <vdl4g6$3jhjh$5@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 03 Oct 2024 02:01:38 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2024 at 6:20:43 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>>>>>> <vdkrha$3ep7f$2@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 03 Oct 2024 00:58:04 GMT, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Oct 2, 2024 at 5:42:20 PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
>>>>>>>> <vdkp9b$3ed1r$7@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You’re not one of these “software pirates”, are you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No you are, or yes you’re not?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not a pirate.
>>>>>
>>>>> But you don’t deny you have been one in the past ...
>>>>
>>>> I also did not deny I was a hamster in the past.
>>>
>>> So you admit it!
>>
>> That I was a hamster. Well, I guess.
>>>
>>> Microsoft and Apple have you well-trained on that wheel, haven’t they.
>>
>> What do they have to do with hamsters?
>
> Did you look at the subject line before posting?

I did. And I see the bias in it. As ChatGPT says of it:

-----
That Usenet subject line definitely grabs attention! It uses strong language
and imagery, implying that people are blindly following big tech companies
(the "sheep" metaphor). This kind of provocative phrasing can spark debates
and draw in those who are frustrated with tech giants, but it may also
alienate readers who prefer more neutral discussions.

If you're aiming to engage others in a discussion, you might consider framing
it in a way that invites conversation without sounding too accusatory. For
example, something like “Are Microsoft and Apple Misleading Us?” could open
the door for a broader range of opinions while still addressing the underlying
concerns. What direction do you want to take with this topic?
-----

Did you read the text you replied to?
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Oct 2, 2024 at 11:17:28?PM MST, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" wrote
><vdlcto$3km80$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>>>> Microsoft and Apple have you well-trained on that wheel, haven’t they.
>>>
>>> What do they have to do with hamsters?
>>
>> Did you look at the subject line before posting?
>
>I did. And I see the bias in it. As ChatGPT says of it:
>
>-----
>That Usenet subject line definitely grabs attention! It uses strong language
>and imagery, implying that people are blindly following big tech companies
>(the "sheep" metaphor). This kind of provocative phrasing can spark debates
>and draw in those who are frustrated with tech giants, but it may also
>alienate readers who prefer more neutral discussions.
>
>If you're aiming to engage others in a discussion, you might consider framing
>it in a way that invites conversation without sounding too accusatory. For
>example, something like “Are Microsoft and Apple Misleading Us?” could open
>the door for a broader range of opinions while still addressing the underlying
>concerns. What direction do you want to take with this topic?
>-----

People actually read this drivel from ChatGPT?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Subject: Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> They make you pay money for their products, and then, in an attempt to
> compete with Free Software, make it seem like they’re doing you a big
> favour by offering you even more limited crippleware versions, at a cheap
> price or as “freeware”. And you say to yourself “such a deal!” and fall
> for it.

AFAIAK Apple only charge for one piece of software: Final cut pro.
Everything else is available for free.

Apple doesn't "make" anyone pay for FCP. Those that do choose to do so as
there isn't a suitable free alternative. What would you recommend?

Subject: Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.
From: Joel
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Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>
>> They make you pay money for their products, and then, in an attempt to
>> compete with Free Software, make it seem like they’re doing you a big
>> favour by offering you even more limited crippleware versions, at a cheap
>> price or as “freeware”. And you say to yourself “such a deal!” and fall
>> for it.
>
>AFAIAK Apple only charge for one piece of software: Final cut pro.
>Everything else is available for free.
>
>Apple doesn't "make" anyone pay for FCP. Those that do choose to do so as
>there isn't a suitable free alternative. What would you recommend?

You pay for their OS when you pay through the nose, for their hardware
it runs on. It's actually a lot cheaper to get Winblows the same way,
through an OEM preinstalled, than it is to get a Mac. If Apple were
offering more kinds of software, it wouldn't all be anymore free than
Final Cut Pro.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Subject: Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.
From: David Brooks
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On 03/10/2024 08:27, Joel wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> They make you pay money for their products, and then, in an attempt to
>>> compete with Free Software, make it seem like they’re doing you a big
>>> favour by offering you even more limited crippleware versions, at a cheap
>>> price or as “freeware”. And you say to yourself “such a deal!” and fall
>>> for it.
>>
>> AFAIAK Apple only charge for one piece of software: Final cut pro.
>> Everything else is available for free.
>>
>> Apple doesn't "make" anyone pay for FCP. Those that do choose to do so as
>> there isn't a suitable free alternative. What would you recommend?
>
>
> You pay for their OS when you pay through the nose, for their hardware
> it runs on. It's actually a lot cheaper to get Winblows the same way,
> through an OEM preinstalled, than it is to get a Mac. If Apple were
> offering more kinds of software, it wouldn't all be anymore free than
> Final Cut Pro.

One hasn't had to PAY for a Mac "operating system" since macOS Snow
Leopard, way back in 2009 IIRC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS

The hardware is good! I'm still using a 24 inch iMac built in 2006.
It's running Linux Mint 22.

Subject: Video editor for Linux and MacOS (was: Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.)
From: vallor
Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop, comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 08:15 UTC
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On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 07:14:29 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote
in <vdlg8l$3l4ku$1@dont-email.me>:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> They make you pay money for their products, and then, in an attempt to
>> compete with Free Software, make it seem like they’re doing you a big
>> favour by offering you even more limited crippleware versions, at a
>> cheap price or as “freeware”. And you say to yourself “such a deal!”
>> and fall for it.
>
> AFAIAK Apple only charge for one piece of software: Final cut pro.
> Everything else is available for free.
>
> Apple doesn't "make" anyone pay for FCP. Those that do choose to do so
> as there isn't a suitable free alternative. What would you recommend?

Black Magic Design's Davinci Resolve is proper. There is a free version
that will edit up to 4K media (iirc, there's some limit), including
for MacOS and Linux.

One time in the menus, I found a feature where you could change the
interface to emulate other popular video editors. I don't remember
if it included FCP, but if it's still a feature, I'd be surprised
if it wasn't an option.

Personally, I used kdenlive -- but my editing needs are minimal.

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David Brooks <David@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>> You pay for their [Apple's mac]OS when you pay through the nose, for their hardware
>> it runs on. It's actually a lot cheaper to get Winblows the same way,
>> through an OEM preinstalled, than it is to get a Mac. If Apple were
>> offering more kinds of software, it wouldn't all be anymore free than
>> Final Cut Pro.
>
>One hasn't had to PAY for a Mac "operating system" since macOS Snow
>Leopard, way back in 2009 IIRC.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS

You don't *specifically* pay for it, but it's included as part of
buying a Mac.

>The hardware is good! I'm still using a 24 inch iMac built in 2006.
>It's running Linux Mint 22.

But it's not your primary device, right?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Subject: Re: Video editor for Linux and MacOS (was: Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.)
From: vallor
Newsgroups: alt.computer.workshop, comp.os.linux.advocacy
Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2024 08:26 UTC
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On 3 Oct 2024 08:15:07 GMT, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote in
<lm724aFgh7eU3@mid.individual.net>:
> Black Magic Design's Davinci Resolve is proper. There is a free version
> that will edit up to 4K media (iirc, there's some limit), including for
> MacOS and Linux.
>

Forgot to include the link:

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve

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Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Snit
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Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Joel
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Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Snit
Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Joel
Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Snit
Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Snit
Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Snit
Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Joel
Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	pothead
Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Snit
Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Snit
Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Siri Cruise
Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Snit
Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
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Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	shogun
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Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Joel
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Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	David Brooks
Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Joel
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Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Chris
Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Joel
Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Chris
Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Joel
Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Chris
Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To You Sheep.	Joel
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Re: Video editor for Linux and MacOS (was: Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To Yo	vallor
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Re: Video editor for Linux and MacOS (was: Re: How Microsoft And Apple Lie To Yo	Lawrence D'Oliveiro
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