I suppose you’ve heard the big news about Microsoft’s new range of
“Copilot+” PCs. These include an onboard NPU capable of at least 40
trillion operations per second.

The platform for developing applications for these machines was unveiled
last year
<https://www.theregister.com/2023/12/14/windows_ai_studio_preview/>.

Note one thing: AI Studio requires WSL2 to be installed!

It was clear to me, from the beginning when WSL2 was introduced, that once
a Linux kernel was introduced into a Windows install, it was going to make
itself more and more indispensable, one way or another, until it
eventually took over completely.

This is I think another step on that road.

On 2024-05-22, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> I suppose you’ve heard the big news about Microsoft’s new range of
> “Copilot+” PCs. These include an onboard NPU capable of at least 40
> trillion operations per second.
>
> The platform for developing applications for these machines was unveiled
> last year
><https://www.theregister.com/2023/12/14/windows_ai_studio_preview/>.
>
> Note one thing: AI Studio requires WSL2 to be installed!
>
> It was clear to me, from the beginning when WSL2 was introduced, that once
> a Linux kernel was introduced into a Windows install, it was going to make
> itself more and more indispensable, one way or another, until it
> eventually took over completely.
>
> This is I think another step on that road.

Interesting, I didn't know that. My wife currently loves using AI on her
computer — hopefully that will wear off with time. I didn't realize that she
needed Linux to do it.

I, personally, don't want any part of AI.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-05-22, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> I suppose you’ve heard the big news about Microsoft’s new range of
>> “Copilot+” PCs. These include an onboard NPU capable of at least 40
>> trillion operations per second.
>>
>> The platform for developing applications for these machines was unveiled
>> last year
>><https://www.theregister.com/2023/12/14/windows_ai_studio_preview/>.
>>
>> Note one thing: AI Studio requires WSL2 to be installed!
>>
>> It was clear to me, from the beginning when WSL2 was introduced, that once
>> a Linux kernel was introduced into a Windows install, it was going to make
>> itself more and more indispensable, one way or another, until it
>> eventually took over completely.
>>
>> This is I think another step on that road.
>
> Interesting, I didn't know that. My wife currently loves using AI on her
> computer — hopefully that will wear off with time. I didn't realize that she
> needed Linux to do it.
>
> I, personally, don't want any part of AI.

Indeed. You get stuff like this:

https://imgur.com/gallery/someone-swapped-out-jesus-s-face-with-charles-manson-s-i-knew-exactly-where-to-put-9V0t7Fu

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You look like a million dollars. All green and wrinkled.

On Wed, 22 May 2024 11:12:01 -0000 (UTC), RonB
<ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 2024-05-22, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> I suppose you’ve heard the big news about Microsoft’s new range of
>> “Copilot+” PCs. These include an onboard NPU capable of at least 40
>> trillion operations per second.
>>
>> The platform for developing applications for these machines was unveiled
>> last year
>><https://www.theregister.com/2023/12/14/windows_ai_studio_preview/>.
>>
>> Note one thing: AI Studio requires WSL2 to be installed!
>>
>> It was clear to me, from the beginning when WSL2 was introduced, that once
>> a Linux kernel was introduced into a Windows install, it was going to make
>> itself more and more indispensable, one way or another, until it
>> eventually took over completely.
>>
>> This is I think another step on that road.
>
>Interesting, I didn't know that. My wife currently loves using AI on her
>computer — hopefully that will wear off with time. I didn't realize that she
>needed Linux to do it.
>
>I, personally, don't want any part of AI.

Smart people will see what Microsoft, Apple, Google and others are
doing with AI and will reject it wholeheartedly. Smart is the key word
though. Most will enjoy the convenience it offers.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

>I suppose you’ve heard the big news about Microsoft’s new range of
>“Copilot+” PCs. These include an onboard NPU capable of at least 40
>trillion operations per second.
>
>The platform for developing applications for these machines was unveiled
>last year
><https://www.theregister.com/2023/12/14/windows_ai_studio_preview/>.
>
>Note one thing: AI Studio requires WSL2 to be installed!
>
>It was clear to me, from the beginning when WSL2 was introduced, that once
>a Linux kernel was introduced into a Windows install, it was going to make
>itself more and more indispensable, one way or another, until it
>eventually took over completely.
>
>This is I think another step on that road.

LOL, M$ is never lacking in weird surprises. Requiring WSL 2, for
this, I mean ... they can seriously keep Winblows, I'm good with Linux
now.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> RonB wrote:
>>
>>I, personally, don't want any part of AI.
>
>Smart people will see what Microsoft, Apple, Google and others are
>doing with AI and will reject it wholeheartedly. Smart is the key word
>though. Most will enjoy the convenience it offers.

This is how I feel. I've yet to see a compelling reason for "normal"
users to want to use it.

There are a lot of professional applications for it. It's also great
for people who want to cheat on their schoolwork...

--
"Many people using other Free licenses claim that the GPL is nothing
more than a badge of hate brought about by petty jealousy and a desire
to see professionals fail by Stallman and others." - "True Linux
advocate" Hadron Quark

On Wed, 22 May 2024 08:17:53 -0500, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> RonB wrote:
>>>
>>>I, personally, don't want any part of AI.
>>
>>Smart people will see what Microsoft, Apple, Google and others are
>>doing with AI and will reject it wholeheartedly. Smart is the key word
>>though. Most will enjoy the convenience it offers.
>
>This is how I feel. I've yet to see a compelling reason for "normal"
>users to want to use it.
>
>There are a lot of professional applications for it. It's also great
>for people who want to cheat on their schoolwork...

Yep. It's going to be increasingly difficult to evaluate a student's
true worth in the future. I've already made it difficult for them to
use AI by forcing them to finish whatever work they need to complete
in class during a single period. This way, there is no chance they
will go home, have the computer do the work for them, and hand me
something stellar the next period. However, some still try.

Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:

>It's going to be increasingly difficult to evaluate a student's
>true worth [because of AI] in the future. I've already made it difficult for them to
>use AI by forcing them to finish whatever work they need to complete
>in class during a single period. This way, there is no chance they
>will go home, have the computer do the work for them, and hand me
>something stellar the next period. However, some still try.

I'm sure you get that underage pussy since you're so str8, when they
need a favor from "Teach". You sick fuck.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Wed, 22 May 2024 07:42:14 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> Note one thing: AI Studio requires WSL2 to be installed!

Without looking into it I assume it runs in Docker.

On May 22, 2024 at 3:42:14 AM EDT, "Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <ldo@nz.invalid>
wrote:
> Note one thing: AI Studio requires WSL2 to be installed!
>
> It was clear to me, from the beginning when WSL2 was introduced, that once
> a Linux kernel was introduced into a Windows install, it was going to make
> itself more and more indispensable, one way or another, until it
> eventually took over completely.
>
> This is I think another step on that road.

Windows fan boy websites have been quoting "MS insiders" for many months as
saying that the Windows 11 update coming later this year (that WAS going to
called Windows 12) is going to be a "major platform update, with every system
file replaced".

This makes me think that Windows is FINALLY going to be Unix (Linux) based.
Remember, MS had their own version of Unix 40 years ago, called Xenix. It was
- at the time - the most used version of Unix on the planet thanks to the
Tandy (Radio Shack) Unix machines. Although Xenix is no doubt way too old to
be used today without MAJOR updates, plus getting it running on Intel and Arm
CPUs (Xenix was running on Motorola 68000 CPUs) would be a major challenge.
But the point is, MS has a history with Unix.

Not to mention that every other computer on the planet now runs on some form
of Unix. Macs, iPads, iPhones and Apple watches are all running Unix. Android
is Linux. The internet runs on Linux. Unix runs on everything from mainframes
to watches. Linux servers dominate the PC server space, but there are a few
Windows servers for running reports and small, departmental use. Even MS cloud
service Azure is mostly Linux.

Windows is the last proprietary OS still being sold. That so-called "AI" needs
WSL installed for "AI" development was a huge step in this direction, and
possibly an indication of Things To Come.

On Wed, 22 May 2024 15:07:25 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

>
> possibly an indication of Things To Come.
>

For Microslop, and its grubbing partners, "Things To Come" means only
one thing: SaaS.

All Microslop-based commercial software will be available ONLY in the
"cloud" with an extortionate subscription rate.

In an amazing turn, most Microslop-based software is now rented at
a monthly rate that far exceeds the actual worth of the product if it were
to be be purchased outright.

The scam rationalization is that on-line SaaS is given regular "security"
and other updates and thus worth the extortionate price. What a fucking farce!

But the Microslop user base, which includes the biggest corps in the world,
has always been "retard class" and thus Microslop, and its grubbing partners,
can continually milk these stupid saps with total ease.

No one cares about the destiny of junk Microslop.

The question is, if GNU/Linux becomes the only viable OS on planet earth,
could it ever withstand the pecuniary whims of the grubbing corps?

RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote at 11:12 this Wednesday (GMT):
> On 2024-05-22, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> I suppose you’ve heard the big news about Microsoft’s new range of
>> “Copilot+” PCs. These include an onboard NPU capable of at least 40
>> trillion operations per second.
>>
>> The platform for developing applications for these machines was unveiled
>> last year
>><https://www.theregister.com/2023/12/14/windows_ai_studio_preview/>.
>>
>> Note one thing: AI Studio requires WSL2 to be installed!
>>
>> It was clear to me, from the beginning when WSL2 was introduced, that once
>> a Linux kernel was introduced into a Windows install, it was going to make
>> itself more and more indispensable, one way or another, until it
>> eventually took over completely.
>>
>> This is I think another step on that road.
>
> Interesting, I didn't know that. My wife currently loves using AI on her
> computer — hopefully that will wear off with time. I didn't realize that she
> needed Linux to do it.
>
> I, personally, don't want any part of AI.

I'm tired of it being everywhere.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

On Wed, 22 May 2024 16:25:09 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:

>>
>> I, personally, don't want any part of AI.
>
>
> I'm tired of it being everywhere.
>

You don't consider the legions of brain-dead secretaries, office workers,
and middle managers, who populate the global corps both big and small,
that will be titillated to no end with this "fascinating" new AI fad.

These retards are Microslop's bread and butter and they must keep them
entranced.

Thank the gods for GNU/Linux. It is truly the savior of truly intelligent
people.

But it won't be long before Ubuntu and its ilk begin to imitate Microslop.

Fuck Ubuntu and its fucking ilk!

candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
wrote:
>RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote at 11:12 this Wednesday (GMT):
>>
>> I, personally, don't want any part of AI.
>
>I'm tired of it being everywhere.

It's ghey, yeah. I hid the Copilot BS as soon as an update put it on,
and have only fed a couple trick questions to ChatGPT to see what it'd
do.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 5/22/2024 11:07 AM, Tyrone wrote:

> This makes me think that Windows is FINALLY going to be Unix (Linux) based.

Keep hope alive!

Previous bozos who claimed that are gone:

Rex Ballard - now a woman
owl - accidentally locked himself in his doomsday bunker a year ago
Stéphane CARPENTIER - choked on a croissant

So be careful what you say...

On May 22, 2024 at 4:30:38 PM EDT, "DFS" <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

> On 5/22/2024 11:07 AM, Tyrone wrote:
>
>
>> This makes me think that Windows is FINALLY going to be Unix (Linux) based.
>
> Keep hope alive!

I'm not hoping for anything. I really don't care. I have personally given up
on Windows.

But for Windows to have any future at all, it needs to become Unix. Because
the rest of the world IS Unix. MS can't remain on (shrinking) Windows Island
forever.

That one needs to have Linux installed on Windows via WSL to do ANY "AI" dev
work is a very large admission by MS that Windows is - indeed - a hopeless,
outdated mess.

Apple did it, in one of the smoothest OS transitions ever. Then they moved
from Power PC to Intel and then to Arm. And they now have an astonishing
range of products all running on Unix, which are all forks of MacOS Unix.
None of that would have been possible with the original MacOS. Because Unix
is portable and scalable. Old MacOS was not, and neither is Old Windows.

One would think that "The World's Largest Software Company" can manage it.

Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
>On May 22, 2024 at 4:30:38?PM EDT, "DFS" <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>> On 5/22/2024 11:07 AM, Tyrone wrote:
>>
>>> This makes me think that Windows is FINALLY going to be Unix (Linux) based.
>>
>> Keep hope alive!
>
>I'm not hoping for anything. I really don't care. I have personally given up
>on Windows.
>
>But for Windows to have any future at all, it needs to become Unix. Because
>the rest of the world IS Unix. MS can't remain on (shrinking) Windows Island
>forever.
>
>That one needs to have Linux installed on Windows via WSL to do ANY "AI" dev
>work is a very large admission by MS that Windows is - indeed - a hopeless,
>outdated mess.
>
>Apple did it, in one of the smoothest OS transitions ever. Then they moved
>from Power PC to Intel and then to Arm. And they now have an astonishing
>range of products all running on Unix, which are all forks of MacOS Unix.
>None of that would have been possible with the original MacOS. Because Unix
>is portable and scalable. Old MacOS was not, and neither is Old Windows.
>
>One would think that "The World's Largest Software Company" can manage it.

I hate to say it, but you're utterly wrong. M$ replacing their kernel
with the Linux kernel would do NOTHING. You don't know anything.
Windows' kernel is no less sleek than Linux. The bloat is all on top.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Wed, 22 May 2024 13:10:47 -0400, Joel wrote:

> It's ghey ...

Is “ghey” supposed to be bad? Please explain.

Re: Microsoft Copilot + PC

Crump: It's ghey, I hid the Copilot BS as soon as an update put it on,

Thank you Microsoft, it's _always_ been my dream that the FBI, the ATF,
the IRS, Joe Biden, etc. could observe what was on my screen every minute...
day after day, week after week, year after year.

This way, I'll be properly punished for my thought crimes.

On 5/22/2024 7:31 PM, Relf wrote:
> Re: Microsoft Copilot + PC
>
> Crump: It's ghey, I hid the Copilot BS as soon as an update put it on,
>
> Thank you Microsoft, it's _always_ been my dream that the FBI, the ATF,
> the IRS, Joe Biden, etc. could observe what was on my screen every minute...
> day after day, week after week, year after year.
>
> This way, I'll be properly punished for my thought crimes.

Don't be a WUCI (Windows-using cola idiot) (tm).

On Wed, 22 May 2024 15:07:25 +0000, Tyrone wrote:

> Not to mention that every other computer on the planet now runs on some
> form of Unix. Macs, iPads, iPhones and Apple watches are all running
> Unix.

Umm, while Apple is technically a “Unix®” trademark licensee (probably the
last remaining one still making a business out of it), I think that only
applies to its desktop macOS, not to its other products. I doubt they
would pass the compliance testing.

> Android is Linux. The internet runs on Linux. Unix runs on
> everything from mainframes to watches.

We normally use a more trademark-friendly term like “*nix” to refer to
systems that work the way we expect “Unix” systems to work, but which
aren’t actually licensed to use the trademark. This would apply to Linux
and the BSDs.

(Question: does anything from Apple qualify as a “*nix” system in this
sense? I think the answer is no.)

> Linux servers dominate the PC server space, but there are a few Windows
> servers for running reports and small, departmental use. Even MS cloud
> service Azure is mostly Linux.

And that on-prem version of Windows Server is gradually falling behind the
cloud version in terms of feature support.

On Wed, 22 May 2024 16:06:57 +0000, Diego Garcia wrote:

> The question is, if GNU/Linux becomes the only viable OS on planet
> earth, could it ever withstand the pecuniary whims of the grubbing
> corps?

Yes it could. Because the open-source underpinnings mean the vendor-lock-
in factor can never be very high. The GPL also helps.

On 22 May 2024 14:35:51 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> On Wed, 22 May 2024 07:42:14 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> Note one thing: AI Studio requires WSL2 to be installed!
>
> Without looking into it I assume it runs in Docker.

No. Microsoft gave up on Docker for Windows a long time ago. On Windows,
the Linux kernel is virtualized under Hyper-V.

That, too, is something that could go away: just use the KVM facility
built into Linux to virtualize Windows instead.

On Wed, 22 May 2024 20:11:58 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
<664e89cc$1$2363141$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

> On 5/22/2024 7:31 PM, Relf wrote:
>> Re: Microsoft Copilot + PC
>>
>> Crump: It's ghey, I hid the Copilot BS as soon as an update put it on,
>>
>> Thank you Microsoft, it's _always_ been my dream that the FBI, the ATF,
>> the IRS, Joe Biden, etc. could observe what was on my screen every
>> minute...
>> day after day, week after week, year after year.
>>
>> This way, I'll be properly punished for my thought crimes.
>
>
> Don't be a WUCI (Windows-using cola idiot) (tm).

™️

And don't be a colatroll®️!

--
-v

On Thu, 23 May 2024 00:24:04 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <v2m2b3$1dnc0$1@dont-email.me>:

> On Wed, 22 May 2024 15:07:25 +0000, Tyrone wrote:
>
>> Not to mention that every other computer on the planet now runs on some
>> form of Unix. Macs, iPads, iPhones and Apple watches are all running
>> Unix.
>
> Umm, while Apple is technically a “Unix®” trademark

UNIX® is a registered trademark of The Open Group.

(Note the caps.)

>> Android is Linux. The internet runs on Linux. Unix runs on everything
>> from mainframes to watches.
>
> We

Who? TINW.

> normally use a more trademark-friendly term like “*nix” to refer to
> systems that work the way we expect “Unix” systems to work, but which
> aren’t actually licensed to use the trademark. This would apply to Linux
> and the BSDs.

"Unix" or "a Unix" are perfectly acceptable descriptions of POSIX
operating systems.

> (Question: does anything from Apple qualify as a “*nix” system in this
> sense? I think the answer is no.)
>

You must have never used a bash or zsh shell on a Mac. It's Unix.

$ uname -a
Darwin Mac-Studio.xxx 23.2.0 Darwin Kernel Version 23.2.0: Wed Nov 15
21:55:06 PST 2023; root:xnu-10002.61.3~2/RELEASE_ARM64_T6020 arm64

>> Linux servers dominate the PC server space, but there are a few Windows
>> servers for running reports and small, departmental use. Even MS cloud
>> service Azure is mostly Linux.
>
> And that on-prem version of Windows Server is gradually falling behind
> the cloud version in terms of feature support.

--
-v