On 23 Sep 2024 04:37:12 GMT, vallor wrote:

>
> Nothing like a Unix system for typesetting. I've set up
> a system with groff -mom macros for the book I've avoided
> writing, which will be a memoir of 1991-1998: how
> our company got off the ground, with the focus on
> Linux.
>

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! This idiot thinks that he is another
Steve Jobs.

Your "company."

Your company is not INNOVATIVE; it is merely IMITATIVE --
just like countless other similar companies.

So why the idea of a fucking book?

The answer is that you are a pompous, arrogant idiot
with delusions of grandeur.

You are correct, however (intelligence notwithstanding),
about Linux/Unix being superior for typesetting.

I use FOSS LaTex for mathematical typesetting and it
is superb.

Yes, FOSS is great.

But YOU are an idiot.

--
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Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> wrote:

>But YOU are an idiot.

Vallor has far more intelligence than you, dude.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 10:28:47 -0400, DFS wrote:

> But seriously, lately I use Linux (Ubuntu WSL) to download computer
> science college course materials using wget.

Doesn’t Dimdows PowerShell have a built-in “wget” command? I hear it
almost works, too.

<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/23/your_wget_is_broken_and_should_die_powershellers_tell_microsoft/>

On 24 Sep 2024 02:39:33 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> You could say the AC Cobra 427 was a fork of the AC Ace, a pleasant but
> not particularly rapid British sports car before Shelby got his hands
> on one.

Was Shelby actually an USian? It’s just you don’t normally hear of USian
cars that are fast, not just in a straight line, but around corners as
well ...

On 9/24/2024 5:21 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 10:28:47 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> But seriously, lately I use Linux (Ubuntu WSL) to download computer
>> science college course materials using wget.
>
> Doesn’t Dimdows PowerShell have a built-in “wget” command? I hear it
> almost works, too.
>
> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/23/your_wget_is_broken_and_should_die_powershellers_tell_microsoft/>

PowerShell wget is an alias to Invoke-WebRequest. In my quick testing,
using wget in PowerShell was a hassle.

In WSL, on the other hand:

$ sudo apt install wget
$ mkdir Cornell
$ cd Cornell
$ mkdir ECE3150 (optional)
$ cd ECE3150 (optional)
$ wget -r -np https://courses.cit.cornell.edu/ece315/

Total time to install wget, make 2 folders, and download the entire
website - 79 files - was well under 2 minutes.

Nice! wget is great. The AUTHORS file lists 311 contributors!

There's a wget binary for Windows, last updated in 2009. I just tried
it using the same command and it worked OK, but pulled down a little
more than the 79 files. It got one file each from 5 other courses on
that domain.

On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 21:24:05 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On 24 Sep 2024 02:39:33 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> You could say the AC Cobra 427 was a fork of the AC Ace, a pleasant but
>> not particularly rapid British sports car before Shelby got his hands
>> on one.
>
> Was Shelby actually an USian? It’s just you don’t normally hear of USian
> cars that are fast, not just in a straight line, but around corners as
> well ...

Better yet he was a Texian. Ford eventually built them themselves but he
worked his magic on the Mustang with the GT350 and GT500 and also haqd
some input into the Dodge Viper.

On 9/24/2024 5:24 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On 24 Sep 2024 02:39:33 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>
>> You could say the AC Cobra 427 was a fork of the AC Ace, a pleasant but
>> not particularly rapid British sports car before Shelby got his hands
>> on one.
>
> Was Shelby actually an USian? It’s just you don’t normally hear of USian
> cars that are fast, not just in a straight line, but around corners as
> well ...

Make sure you do a haka each day before battling your Guhnoo crapbox.

On 9/24/2024 8:09 AM, shitv wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> some dumb fsck wrote:
>>>
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Gee, I wonder if any Dimdows software can claim that kind of cross-
>>>> platform support ...
>>>
>>> GuhNoo/Linux tagline: "The Software Nobody Wants Running On The Hardware
>>> Nobody Wants"
>>
>> Just count up those numbers ... that’s a lot of “nobodies” ...
>
> That dumb fsck lives in an upside-down world. Nobody wants the
> world's most popular kernel, there. FOSS doesn't massively benefit
> everyone, there.
>
>> Sour grapes, because at one time Microsoft tried to run Windows NT on
>> those platforms, and failed.
>
> Only FOSS has the efficiency required to support all those platforms.

What software and hardware are you running during the day? Evenings and
weekends?

crickets... you WANT to reply so bad you can taste it, but it would blow
your lie that you have me "killfiled on day one".

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 10:28:47 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> But seriously, lately I use Linux (Ubuntu WSL) to download computer
>> science college course materials using wget.
>
> Doesn’t Dimdows PowerShell have a built-in “wget” command? I hear it
> almost works, too.
>
> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/23/your_wget_is_broken_and_should_die_powershellers_tell_microsoft/>

Git Bash is nice. Or was nice, when I had to use Windows.

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to break it, but, I'll bet you credits to Navy Beans we can put a dent in it.
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candycanearter07 wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote at 11:20 this Wednesday (GMT):
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 10:28:47 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> But seriously, lately I use Linux (Ubuntu WSL) to download computer
>>>> science college course materials using wget.
>>>
>>> Doesn’t Dimdows PowerShell have a built-in “wget” command? I hear it
>>> almost works, too.
>>>
>>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/23/your_wget_is_broken_and_should_die_powershellers_tell_microsoft/>
>>
>> Git Bash is nice. Or was nice, when I had to use Windows.
>
> It's good to provide a basic terminal, but it doesn't feel as nice imo

Git Bash also provides a number of useful "unix" commands.

You could always go for MSYS/MSYS2.

Anyway, I don't have to care about running unixy tools on Windows anymore!

Hurrah! Huzzah!

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Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote at 20:09 this Wednesday (GMT):
> candycanearter07 wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote at 11:20 this Wednesday (GMT):
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 10:28:47 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But seriously, lately I use Linux (Ubuntu WSL) to download computer
>>>>> science college course materials using wget.
>>>>
>>>> Doesn’t Dimdows PowerShell have a built-in “wget” command? I hear it
>>>> almost works, too.
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/08/23/your_wget_is_broken_and_should_die_powershellers_tell_microsoft/>
>>>
>>> Git Bash is nice. Or was nice, when I had to use Windows.
>>
>> It's good to provide a basic terminal, but it doesn't feel as nice imo
>
> Git Bash also provides a number of useful "unix" commands.
>
> You could always go for MSYS/MSYS2.
>
> Anyway, I don't have to care about running unixy tools on Windows anymore!
>
> Hurrah! Huzzah!

Me neither bc I run Linux full time, but it's still nice to have the
option.
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candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
wrote:

>I run Linux full time

Not doing that is allowing M$ to eat one's computer. And yet it's
Linux that's free of cost. So bizarre.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 16:09:32 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Anyway, I don't have to care about running unixy tools on Windows
> anymore!

I'd have to find the link but there is a package of Linux tools that are
compiled natively and don't need Msys or Cygwin that I always install on a
Windows box. The tools are limited but at least I can type 'ls' without
getting a blank look. All there years and I haven't figured out 'dir'.

Le 22-09-2024, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit :
> Cooledit is the choice all GNU/Linux aficionados.

Nope. Vim and Emacs are the first choices. By far.

--
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https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

Le 22-09-2024, Cy DeMillion <cyde@loozers.net> a écrit :
> On 22 Sep 2024 21:06:15 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>>
>>> What do YOU do?
>>
>> Don't change the subject. You are speaking about yourself. What I do is
>> irrelevant to believing in your claims.
>
> Incorrect.

Certainly not. You claim you contribute to cooledit project. As long as
I don't see any comment on it's github project from the author, I won't
believe it. Your contribution to this project isn't related with my
contribution to FOSS.

> The spirit of FOSS demands that users contribute in every way in which
> they are able. That could be patches, bug reports, comments, etc.

There is nut such a thing as a spirit of FOSS. There are people using,
promoting, contributing, whatever, FOSS projects. And there are as
many spirits as there are people.

> But YOU do not contribute.

Once again, you are speaking on your contributions, which are not
related with my contributions.

> You are just a selfish user with a big, fat, useless mouth.

You knows nothing about me, but whatever I am, it doesn't change what
you do and what you claim.

> FOSS does not need YOU,

So, you mean it's a good thing if I don't contribute as your claims? So
everything about me and what I do is perfect from your perspective and
you can return to the subject of your claims?

> but if does need ME.

As a developer, FOSS needs you as far away as possible as any FOSS
project. As you are unable to produce any line of code, FOSS projects
certainly don't need any not understood copy/paste code from questions
on stack overflow you can provide without correction.

And for the promotion part, as you only give arguments to DFS to
criticize the FOSS users/projects, you should stop. It would be the best
thing you could do for FOSS project. It would be less fun from my point
of view but it would be better for FOSS. You see? I'm not that selfish,
I can accept to have less fun if it's good for FOSS.

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Le 25-09-2024, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> a écrit :
> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote at 11:20 this Wednesday (GMT):
>>
>> Git Bash is nice. Or was nice, when I had to use Windows.
>
> It's good to provide a basic terminal, but it doesn't feel as nice imo

In fact, I needed to use git bash at work a few years ago and I was
impressed. As a terminal, it's very limited. But as a bash it's really
impressive.

--
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https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>Le 25-09-2024, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> a écrit :
>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote at 11:20 this Wednesday (GMT):

It sure is nice to see all cool/sane people's names/nicks, there.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>faggot hypocrite GUI-pussy

What I do with the GUI is fundamentals, openSUSE has shown me how
liberating that is, my computer is like Larry's, except actually
*good*.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-09-28, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
> Le 22-09-2024, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit :
>> Cooledit is the choice all GNU/Linux aficionados.
>
> Nope. Vim and Emacs are the first choices. By far.

JOE is the way to go... at least for me.

--
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what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 07:56:58 -0000 (UTC), RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
wrote in <vdb18a$1m5b6$1@dont-email.me>:

> On 2024-09-28, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>> Le 22-09-2024, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit :
>>> Cooledit is the choice all GNU/Linux aficionados.
>>
>> Nope. Vim and Emacs are the first choices. By far.
>
> JOE is the way to go... at least for me.

I know you mean jstar :) but yeah, I'm a big fan of joe and
its ancillaries.

JOE() JOE()

NAME
JOE - Joe´s Own Editor

Syntax
joe [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]...
jstar [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]...
jmacs [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]...
rjoe [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]...
jpico [global-options] [ [local-options] filename ]...

Description
JOE is a powerful console screen editor. It has a
"mode-less" user interface which is similar to many
user-friendly PC editors. Users of Micro-Pro´s WordStar
or Borland´s "Turbo" languages will feel at home. JOE is
a full featured UNIX screen-editor though, and has many
features for editing programs and text.
[...]

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Le 29-09-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit :
> On 2024-09-28, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>> Le 22-09-2024, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit :
>>> Cooledit is the choice all GNU/Linux aficionados.
>>
>> Nope. Vim and Emacs are the first choices. By far.
>
> JOE is the way to go... at least for me.

You do what you want, I don't care. It changes nothing at what I said.
The number of users of Joe in the Linux world is very tiny compared to
the number of users of Emacs and vim. It doesn't mean vim and Emacs are
better than JOE or cooledit. It means that cooledit and JOE are far from
the editors of choice of all Linux aficionados.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

On 29 Sep 2024 08:17:03 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote
in <66f90cff$0$3244$426a74cc@news.free.fr>:

> Le 29-09-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit :
>> On 2024-09-28, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>>> Le 22-09-2024, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit :
>>>> Cooledit is the choice all GNU/Linux aficionados.
>>>
>>> Nope. Vim and Emacs are the first choices. By far.
>>
>> JOE is the way to go... at least for me.
>
> You do what you want, I don't care. It changes nothing at what I said.
> The number of users of Joe in the Linux world is very tiny compared to
> the number of users of Emacs and vim. It doesn't mean vim and Emacs are
> better than JOE or cooledit. It means that cooledit and JOE are far from
> the editors of choice of all Linux aficionados.

Well sure. That's the great thing about Linux (and Unix in general):
people can choose the tool of their choice to do whatever.

Doesn't mean cooledit, or vim, or Emacs aren't fine editors themselves.
Different strokes, and all that.

I like chocolate ice cream, some folks like strawberry. There is no
"one true ice cream", nor is there "one true editor"...all a matter
of taste.

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vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>On 29 Sep 2024 08:17:03 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote
>in <66f90cff$0$3244$426a74cc@news.free.fr>:
>> Le 29-09-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>
>>> JOE is the way to go... at least for me.
>>
>> You do what you want, I don't care. It changes nothing at what I said.
>> The number of users of Joe in the Linux world is very tiny compared to
>> the number of users of Emacs and vim. It doesn't mean vim and Emacs are
>> better than JOE or cooledit. It means that cooledit and JOE are far from
>> the editors of choice of all Linux aficionados.
>
>Well sure. That's the great thing about Linux (and Unix in general):
>people can choose the tool of their choice to do whatever.
>
>Doesn't mean cooledit, or vim, or Emacs aren't fine editors themselves.
>Different strokes, and all that.
>
>I like chocolate ice cream, some folks like strawberry. There is no
>"one true ice cream", nor is there "one true editor"...all a matter
>of taste.

Yet, you posted this:

https://i.imgur.com/fUXvwdR.png

Isn't my use of images of text, "a matter of taste"?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 05:19:34 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
<mo6ifjp2mijnbuvbg4joiavodk53a38nfh@4ax.com>:

> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>On 29 Sep 2024 08:17:03 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr>
>>wrote in <66f90cff$0$3244$426a74cc@news.free.fr>:
>>> Le 29-09-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> JOE is the way to go... at least for me.
>>>
>>> You do what you want, I don't care. It changes nothing at what I said.
>>> The number of users of Joe in the Linux world is very tiny compared to
>>> the number of users of Emacs and vim. It doesn't mean vim and Emacs
>>> are better than JOE or cooledit. It means that cooledit and JOE are
>>> far from the editors of choice of all Linux aficionados.
>>
>>Well sure. That's the great thing about Linux (and Unix in general):
>>people can choose the tool of their choice to do whatever.
>>
>>Doesn't mean cooledit, or vim, or Emacs aren't fine editors themselves.
>>Different strokes, and all that.
>>
>>I like chocolate ice cream, some folks like strawberry. There is no
>>"one true ice cream", nor is there "one true editor"...all a matter of
>>taste.
>
>
> Yet, you posted this:
>
> https://i.imgur.com/fUXvwdR.png
>
> Isn't my use of images of text, "a matter of taste"?

When Joel gets off his bender, someone let me know -- until
then, he lives in the sin bin.

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OS: Linux 6.11.0 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G

On 29 Sep 2024 09:06:07 GMT, vallor wrote:

> On 29 Sep 2024 08:17:03 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote
> in <66f90cff$0$3244$426a74cc@news.free.fr>:
>
>> Le 29-09-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>> On 2024-09-28, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>>>> Le 22-09-2024, Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> a écrit :
>>>>> Cooledit is the choice all GNU/Linux aficionados.
>>>>
>>>> Nope. Vim and Emacs are the first choices. By far.
>>>
>>> JOE is the way to go... at least for me.
>>
>> You do what you want, I don't care. It changes nothing at what I said.
>> The number of users of Joe in the Linux world is very tiny compared to
>> the number of users of Emacs and vim. It doesn't mean vim and Emacs are
>> better than JOE or cooledit. It means that cooledit and JOE are far from
>> the editors of choice of all Linux aficionados.
>
> Well sure. That's the great thing about Linux (and Unix in general):
> people can choose the tool of their choice to do whatever.
>
> Doesn't mean cooledit, or vim, or Emacs aren't fine editors themselves.
> Different strokes, and all that.
>

How many GNU/Linux users have even heard of cooledit? Not very many.
Cooledit is not included in any distro, except maybe Mageia:

http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=cooledit&submit=Search+...

If cooledit were promoted a bit more it may gather a following.

Unlike vim, emacs, and joe, cooledit is a graphical editor with a
complete GUI interface.

I try to promote cooledit but the narrow-minded, parochial imbeciles
in this group will summarily reject it because it boggles their little
minds.

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