On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 15:36:48 -0700, % wrote:

> Relf wrote:
>> zZombie(%): Berg Lake, Canadian Rockies
>>
>> Jasper National Park is closer to Edmonton (Alberta) than Vancouver BC.
>> Lots of Ukrainians there, I hear. They should rename it: New Kyiv.
>>
> and we'll call the oil plant , new newfoundland

Is it populated by Newfies?

On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 15:18:35 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:

> zZombie(%): Berg Lake, Canadian Rockies
>
> Jasper National Park is closer to Edmonton (Alberta) than Vancouver BC.
> Lots of Ukrainians there, I hear. They should rename it: New Kyiv.

Hutterites? They aren't Ukrainians but iirc the Ukraine was the last
European country they moved to before the Dakotas and Montana. Then when
the government tried to draft them during WWI they headed north to Canada.

Leaving the Ukraine was the same deal; Russia made military service
compulsory.

On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 15:35:34 -0700, % wrote:

> i'm almost on the divide

I cross it on MacDonald Pass on my way to Helena and sometimes hike for a
ways on the Divide trail. There are a couple of interesting chunks east of
Butte too. At least you know when you're doing it. You don't get much
feeling of accomplishment when you cross the eastern branch on I-80 in
Wyoming.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacharymaillard/956756289

High Plains Drifter anyone? The movie was filmed around Lake Mono. Wyoming
doesn't get too much love by movie makers. 'Joe Pickett' was filmed around
Calgary and 'Longmire' was filmed in New Mexico.

rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 15:36:48 -0700, % wrote:
>
>> Relf wrote:
>>> zZombie(%): Berg Lake, Canadian Rockies
>>>
>>> Jasper National Park is closer to Edmonton (Alberta) than Vancouver BC.
>>> Lots of Ukrainians there, I hear. They should rename it: New Kyiv.
>>>
>> and we'll call the oil plant , new newfoundland
>
> Is it populated by Newfies?
>
the whole province is

rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 15:35:34 -0700, % wrote:
>
>> i'm almost on the divide
>
> I cross it on MacDonald Pass on my way to Helena and sometimes hike for a
> ways on the Divide trail. There are a couple of interesting chunks east of
> Butte too. At least you know when you're doing it. You don't get much
> feeling of accomplishment when you cross the eastern branch on I-80 in
> Wyoming.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacharymaillard/956756289
>
> High Plains Drifter anyone? The movie was filmed around Lake Mono. Wyoming
> doesn't get too much love by movie makers. 'Joe Pickett' was filmed around
> Calgary and 'Longmire' was filmed in New Mexico.
>
i usually stay on the west side ,
but there's a town on the east side ,
that is bigger than the one near me

On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 20:04:35 -0700, % wrote:

> i usually stay on the west side , but there's a town on the east side ,
> that is bigger than the one near me

So do I. There are a few interesting places but as you go east in Montana
you wind up in the real 'Big Sky' country where the horizon is defined by
the curvature of the earth.

There is another factor. In the winter when you see the weather maps
showing an arctic air mass sagging down into the middle of the US many
times it doesn't break over the divide. Last year it did with about a week
of -20 F temperatures.

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 14:22:54 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:
>
>> zZombie(%): try living in the rockies
>>
>> rBowman lives 3,200 feet up in the Rocky Mountains,
>> on the continental divide where a river flows both to the Pacific Ocean
>> & the Gulf of Mexico, Lewis & Clark's dream.
>
> I live further west than the Divide, more like Lewis & Clark's nightmare:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitterroot_Mountains

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6LzWZYWpOU

C.W. McCall - Wolf Creek Pass

<sorry, vallor!>

--
We've sent a man to the moon, and that's 29,000 miles away. The center
of the Earth is only 4,000 miles away. You could drive that in a week,
but for some reason nobody's ever done it.
-- Andy Rooney

Relf: Ukrainians in Edmonton. rBowman: Hutterites ?

No, they speak Ukrainian, not Dutch.
1891, Ukrainians got free land in Edmonton, AB.

Quote:

With THE COLLAPSE OF THE SOVIET UNION,
a new wave of immigration from Ukraine and other countries of
the former Communist bloc began to immigrate to Edmonton and area.

As a result of THE WAR IN THE FORMER YUGOSLAVIA
there was an urgent need to help Ukrainians who were in refugee camps.

Ukrainian mothers can/do live anywhere they want.

On 9/26/24 10:20 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 15:35:34 -0700, % wrote:
>
>> i'm almost on the divide
>
> I cross it on MacDonald Pass on my way to Helena and sometimes hike for a
> ways on the Divide trail. There are a couple of interesting chunks east of
> Butte too. At least you know when you're doing it. You don't get much
> feeling of accomplishment when you cross the eastern branch on I-80 in
> Wyoming.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/zacharymaillard/956756289

Some neat stuff there, as well as the counties map:

<http://www.mob-rule.com/user-gifs/USA/zmaillard.gif>

Is that tool fairly easy to use, or is it more effort than its really
worth? Been wondering on if to sign up or not.

-hh

On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 07:11:05 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 14:22:54 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:
>>
>>> zZombie(%): try living in the rockies
>>>
>>> rBowman lives 3,200 feet up in the Rocky Mountains,
>>> on the continental divide where a river flows both to the Pacific
>>> Ocean & the Gulf of Mexico, Lewis & Clark's dream.
>>
>> I live further west than the Divide, more like Lewis & Clark's
>> nightmare:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitterroot_Mountains
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6LzWZYWpOU
>
> C.W. McCall - Wolf Creek Pass
>
> <sorry, vallor!>

I've been over Wolf Creek a couple of times but it wasn't that dramatic
but the truck had a Jake brake. Some truckers that primarily run in the
east don't and they have a lot more fun with the passes in the west.

The last time I was in a passenger car and I was going to stop and hike a
little on the Continental Divide trail. Maybe the rhododendrons were
blooming in the Breaks Interstate Park on the Kentucky/Virginia border but
it was still winter on the pass and I didn't have snowshoes. When I got
down to the Forest Service campground outside of Pagosa Springs it was
springtime again.

zZombie(%): Berg Lake, Canadian Rockies

You can float to Vancouver BC, just jump in the Fraser River.
Getting back would be tougher.

Relf wrote:
> zZombie(%): Berg Lake, Canadian Rockies
>
> You can float to Vancouver BC, just jump in the Fraser River.
> Getting back would be tougher.
>
stick to the sides and ,
if you have to ,
get out and tow it with a rope

On 26 Sep 2024 00:59:24 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 00:40:23 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> On 25 Sep 2024 07:35:04 GMT, rbowman wrote:
>>
>>> The Julian calendar is close enough for government work.
>>
>> Speaking of “Government work”, remember that the satnav systems that
>> give you your position accurate down to a few metres, with a
>> corresponding time base down to a few tens of nanoseconds, are all
>> Government-run.
>
> Yeah and I remember when if you weren't military they gave you your
> position accurate down to 100 meters. Lifting SA was one of the few
> worthwhile things the Zipper did. But remember the government giveth and
> the government taketh away.

Yes, but there is competition now. What one Government might decide to
take away, another one can still offer you.