>Obama has always been a friend of faggots. He cooked up the tranny
>rights deception, Harris helped by hiring Obama retreads to get it
>through.

Trump's a twice impeached multiple felon serial liar and rapist.

Anything more you stupid slavic Russian cocksucker?

Obama has always been a friend of faggots. He cooked up the tranny
rights deception, Harris helped by hiring Obama retreads to get it
through.

Under the cloak of outrage over tranny activism in schools, Obama's
other goal of integration and white suppression by immigration was put
into action.

This resulted in millions of 3rd world country noncontributing trash
being dumped in the USA.

These unskilled, mostly criminal "migrants" have cost the USA billions
of dollars and resulted in stores locking everything down so Americans
must beg to buy them.

Obama, Harris, Biden and anyone voting for them, are enemies of the USA
and should be executed when identified.

public enemies <democrats@suck.com> wrote:

>Obama has always been a friend of faggots. He cooked up the tranny
>rights deception, Harris helped by hiring Obama retreads to get it
>through.
>
>Under the cloak of outrage over tranny activism in schools, Obama's
>other goal of integration and white suppression by immigration was put
>into action.
>
>This resulted in millions of 3rd world country noncontributing trash
>being dumped in the USA.
>
>These unskilled, mostly criminal "migrants" have cost the USA billions
>of dollars and resulted in stores locking everything down so Americans
>must beg to buy them.
>
>Obama, Harris, Biden and anyone voting for them, are enemies of the USA
>and should be executed when identified.

So, how do you consume your meth?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 19:21:15 -0700, public enemies wrote:

> Obama has always been a friend of faggots. He cooked up the tranny
> rights deception, Harris helped by hiring Obama retreads to get it
> through.
>
> Under the cloak of outrage over tranny activism in schools, Obama's
> other goal of integration and white suppression by immigration was put
> into action.
>
> This resulted in millions of 3rd world country noncontributing trash
> being dumped in the USA.
>
> These unskilled, mostly criminal "migrants" have cost the USA billions
> of dollars and resulted in stores locking everything down so Americans
> must beg to buy them.
>
> Obama, Harris, Biden and anyone voting for them, are enemies of the USA
> and should be executed when identified.

i think its great usa has imported a lot of cheap labor, you need
construction workers, nannies, garbage collectors etc. to run the
place, normal people cant be expected to do all that.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:13l1fjdb017hifsv1hgpu059am5n4eu9rv@4ax.com...
> public enemies <democrats@suck.com> wrote:
>
>>Obama has always been a friend of faggots. He cooked up the tranny
>>rights deception, Harris helped by hiring Obama retreads to get it
>>through.
>>
>>Under the cloak of outrage over tranny activism in schools, Obama's
>>other goal of integration and white suppression by immigration was put
>>into action.
>>
>>This resulted in millions of 3rd world country noncontributing trash
>>being dumped in the USA.
>>
>>These unskilled, mostly criminal "migrants" have cost the USA billions
>>of dollars and resulted in stores locking everything down so Americans
>>must beg to buy them.
>>
>>Obama, Harris, Biden and anyone voting for them, are enemies of the USA
>>and should be executed when identified.
>
>
> So, how do you consume your meth?

Joel is always looking for tips about his drug use....

kami wrote:

>i think its great usa has imported a lot of cheap labor, you need
>construction workers, nannies, garbage collectors etc. to run the
>place, normal people cant be expected to do all that.

Fine, if they behave and carry their weight. The Mexicans have done
that, as a rule. Haitians and Venezuelans I don't know about.

--
"You're an intellectually dishonest twat, like most of your cola
brethren. You idiots wrongly think you can redefine 'personal
computing' to include Android smart phones." - DumFSck, every line a
lie

On 9/24/24 3:43 PM, chrisv wrote:
> kami wrote:
>
>> i think its great usa has imported a lot of cheap labor, you need
>> construction workers, nannies, garbage collectors etc. to run the
>> place, normal people cant be expected to do all that.
>
> Fine, if they behave and carry their weight. The Mexicans have done
> that, as a rule. Haitians and Venezuelans I don't know about.
>

In aggregate, we already know that they do behave: statistically, they
have a lower crime rate than native-born Americans. That makes one
fewer thing to be afraid of.

Similarly, most want to work and do so, as some portion of political
refugees are actually 'opportunity' motivated, but know that they have
to try to make the refugee claim because the US immigration system is so
broken. Likewise, they know that even if their refugee case is rejected
(IIRC, roughly 98% of them) and they're deported, the GOP's strangling
of immigration court funding has resulted in a huge backlog, which means
that they will have had a good 3-5 years working legally in the US
during that wait time that they've survived on.

For work ethic, both Haitians & Venezuelans do well (eg Springfield OH).
Many had a very tough time just to get to the US; a good number risked
the crossing of the deadly Darién Gap in Panama, which shows just how
determined they are for making a better life for themselves. Simply
put, they want to be model citizens because they don't want to go back.

-hh

-hh wrote:

>Simply put, they want to be model citizens
>because they don't want to go back.

Bad logic. We see, all over the world, migrants becoming entitled
assholes, and being responsible for vastly disproportionate levels of
violent crime.

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>> Simply put, they want to be model citizens
>> because they don't want to go back.
>
> Bad logic. We see, all over the world, migrants becoming entitled
> assholes, and being responsible for vastly disproportionate levels of
> violent crime.

Nah, those are Nth generation immigrants who’ve become hypocrite MAGA
Republicans. /s

And FYI, I can substantiate what I said about relative crime rates. Case in
point:

“September 12, 2024
An NIJ-funded study examining data from the Texas Department of Public
Safety estimated the rate at which undocumented immigrants are arrested
for committing crimes. The study found that undocumented immigrants are
arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for
violent and
drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property
crimes.[1]”

<https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-offending-rate-lower-us-born-citizen-rate>

Likewise:

“AUGUST 8, 2024 12:00PM
US Citizens Were 80.2 Percent of Crossers with Fentanyl at Ports of Entry
from 2019 to 2024”

<https://www.cato.org/blog/us-citizens-were-802-crossers-fentanyl-ports-entry-2019-2024>

Naturally, chrisv can’t … and won’t … actually support his claim with
objective data.
But in his own little mind, I’m the “fsking” asshole

-hh

-hh wrote:

> chrisv wrote:
>>
>> -hh wrote:
>>>
>>> Simply put, they want to be model citizens
>>> because they don't want to go back.
>>
>> Bad logic. We see, all over the world, migrants becoming entitled
>> assholes, and being responsible for vastly disproportionate levels of
>> violent crime.
>
>Nah, those are Nth generation immigrants who’ve become hypocrite MAGA
>Republicans. /s

No they're not.

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-chancellor-olaf-scholz-migration-policies-deportation-crime-islam-syriia-afghan/#:~:text=While%20foreigners%20make%20up%20about,2023%2C%20according%20to%20government%20statistics.

https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/germany-violent-crime-climbs-to-historic-highs/

Here's a study of Sweden.

"58 per cent of those suspect fortotal crime on reasonable grounds are
migrants. Regarding murder, manslaughter and attempted murder, the
figures are 73 percent, while the proportion of robbery is 70 per
cent. Non-registered migrants are linkedto about 13 per cent of total
crime. Given the fact that this group is small, crime propensity among
non-registered migrants is significant."

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338563093_Migrants_and_Crime_in_Sweden_in_the_Twenty-First_Century#:~:text=Based%20on%2033%20per%20cent,robbery%20is%2070%20per%20cent.

>And FYI, I can substantiate what I said about relative crime rates. Case in
>point:
>
>“September 12, 2024
>An NIJ-funded study examining data from the Texas Department of Public
>Safety estimated the rate at which undocumented immigrants are arrested
>for committing crimes. The study found that undocumented immigrants are
>arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for
>violent and
>drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property
>crimes.[1]”

So, about as bad as American blacks. Not good. Bad.

>Naturally, chrisv can’t … and won’t … actually support his claim with
>objective data.

Did it. Here's something on the Haitians:

https://youtube.com/shorts/cpVNb3EPacA?si=Kvzk96mMUWHiDZZr

On 2024-09-25, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Simply put, they want to be model citizens
>>>> because they don't want to go back.
>>>
>>> Bad logic. We see, all over the world, migrants becoming entitled
>>> assholes, and being responsible for vastly disproportionate levels of
>>> violent crime.
>>
>>Nah, those are Nth generation immigrants who’ve become hypocrite MAGA
>>Republicans. /s
>
> No they're not.
>
> https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-chancellor-olaf-scholz-migration-policies-deportation-crime-islam-syriia-afghan/#:~:text=While%20foreigners%20make%20up%20about,2023%2C%20according%20to%20government%20statistics.
>
> https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/germany-violent-crime-climbs-to-historic-highs/
>
> Here's a study of Sweden.
>
> "58 per cent of those suspect fortotal crime on reasonable grounds are
> migrants. Regarding murder, manslaughter and attempted murder, the
> figures are 73 percent, while the proportion of robbery is 70 per
> cent. Non-registered migrants are linkedto about 13 per cent of total
> crime. Given the fact that this group is small, crime propensity among
> non-registered migrants is significant."
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338563093_Migrants_and_Crime_in_Sweden_in_the_Twenty-First_Century#:~:text=Based%20on%2033%20per%20cent,robbery%20is%2070%20per%20cent.
>
>>And FYI, I can substantiate what I said about relative crime rates. Case in
>>point:
>>
>>“September 12, 2024
>>An NIJ-funded study examining data from the Texas Department of Public
>>Safety estimated the rate at which undocumented immigrants are arrested
>>for committing crimes. The study found that undocumented immigrants are
>>arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for
>>violent and
>>drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property
>>crimes.[1]”
>
> So, about as bad as American blacks. Not good. Bad.
>
>>Naturally, chrisv can’t … and won’t … actually support his claim with
>>objective data.
>
> Did it. Here's something on the Haitians:
>
> https://youtube.com/shorts/cpVNb3EPacA?si=Kvzk96mMUWHiDZZr
>
Sweden is paying the migrants $34,000 USD to leave the country.
That's how bad things have gotten there.

<https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sweden-offers-to-pay-migrants-from-third-world-countries-34000-to-self-deport/ar-AA1qHxZc>

--
Charlie Glock
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
- Thomas Jefferson 1776

Charlie Glock wrote:
> On 2024-09-25, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> -hh wrote:
>>
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Simply put, they want to be model citizens
>>>>> because they don't want to go back.
>>>>
>>>> Bad logic. We see, all over the world, migrants becoming entitled
>>>> assholes, and being responsible for vastly disproportionate levels of
>>>> violent crime.
>>>
>>> Nah, those are Nth generation immigrants who’ve become hypocrite MAGA
>>> Republicans. /s
>>
>> No they're not.
>>
>> https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-chancellor-olaf-scholz-migration-policies-deportation-crime-islam-syriia-afghan/#:~:text=While%20foreigners%20make%20up%20about,2023%2C%20according%20to%20government%20statistics.
>>
>> https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/germany-violent-crime-climbs-to-historic-highs/
>>
>> Here's a study of Sweden.
>>
>> "58 per cent of those suspect fortotal crime on reasonable grounds are
>> migrants. Regarding murder, manslaughter and attempted murder, the
>> figures are 73 percent, while the proportion of robbery is 70 per
>> cent. Non-registered migrants are linkedto about 13 per cent of total
>> crime. Given the fact that this group is small, crime propensity among
>> non-registered migrants is significant."
>>
>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338563093_Migrants_and_Crime_in_Sweden_in_the_Twenty-First_Century#:~:text=Based%20on%2033%20per%20cent,robbery%20is%2070%20per%20cent.
>>
>>> And FYI, I can substantiate what I said about relative crime rates. Case in
>>> point:
>>>
>>> “September 12, 2024
>>> An NIJ-funded study examining data from the Texas Department of Public
>>> Safety estimated the rate at which undocumented immigrants are arrested
>>> for committing crimes. The study found that undocumented immigrants are
>>> arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for
>>> violent and
>>> drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property
>>> crimes.[1]”
>>
>> So, about as bad as American blacks. Not good. Bad.
>>
>>> Naturally, chrisv can’t … and won’t … actually support his claim with
>>> objective data.
>>
>> Did it. Here's something on the Haitians:
>>
>> https://youtube.com/shorts/cpVNb3EPacA?si=Kvzk96mMUWHiDZZr
>>
> Sweden is paying the migrants $34,000 USD to leave the country.
> That's how bad things have gotten there.
>
> <https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sweden-offers-to-pay-migrants-from-third-world-countries-34000-to-self-deport/ar-AA1qHxZc>
>
>
>
12 hours

On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 11:48:17 -0700, Dave Wainwright <nospam@comcast.net> wrote:

>On 9/24/2024 6:19 AM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "kami" <f00@0f0.00f> wrote in message
>> news:7meo13olif4k$.dlg@tomato.potato...
>>> On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 19:21:15 -0700, public enemies wrote:
>>>
>>>> Obama has always been a friend of faggots.  He cooked up the tranny
>>>> rights deception, Harris helped by hiring Obama retreads to get it
>>>> through.
>>>>
>>>> Under the cloak of outrage over tranny activism in schools, Obama's
>>>> other goal of integration and white suppression by immigration was put
>>>> into action.
>>>>
>>>> This resulted in millions of 3rd world country noncontributing trash
>>>> being dumped in the USA.
>>>>
>>>> These unskilled, mostly criminal "migrants" have cost the USA billions
>>>> of dollars and resulted in stores locking everything down so Americans
>>>> must beg to buy them.

George Bush: They work hard for a chance at a better life.

>>>> Obama, Harris, Biden and anyone voting for them, are enemies of the USA
>>>> and should be executed when identified.
>>>
>>>
>>> i think its great usa has imported a lot of cheap labor, you need
>>> construction workers, nannies, garbage collectors etc. to run the
>>> place, normal people cant be expected to do all that.

Ronald Reagan: Thanks to a new wave of arrivals to this land of opportunity,
we're a nation forever young, forever bursting with energy and new ideas and
always cutting edge, always leading the world to the next frontier. This quality
is vital to our future as a nation.
>> Excellent.. and we don't want to hear how such people can't find work,
>> and we certainly should not pay those people because they won't get a
>> job. Nor should we pay their debt because they can't make as much as
>> they think they should.

Jamie McGregor, owner McGregor Metal fabrication in Springfield, Ohio, has 30
Haitian employees. "I wish I had more. They come to work every day, they don't
have drug problems, they stay at their machines and make their quotas. They
come here to work."

>We should not be paying for their housing, health care, education,
>illegal drug consumption, child care, clothing, food, transportation,
>legal fees, and more - yet we are.

All lies promoted by racist elements of the right.

>What happened to America first?

Allowing large numbers of immigrants in *is* putting America first. You're
confusing 'America First' with 'White America Only'.

Ronald Reagan: If we ever close the door to new Americans, our leadership in
the world would soon be lost.

--

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11) Trump's failed pandemic response caused the needless
deaths of hundreds of thousands. By the time he left office,
three thousand were dying every day.

12) Trump's White House scrapped the emergency pandemic
playbook that had been assembled by the Obama administration.

On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 07:33:49 -0500, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>-hh wrote:
>
>>Simply put, they want to be model citizens
>>because they don't want to go back.
>
>Bad logic. We see, all over the world, migrants becoming entitled
>assholes, and being responsible for vastly disproportionate levels of
>violent crime.

You see only what other right wing racists want you to see.

Jamie McGregor, owner McGregor Metal fabrication in Springfield, Ohio, who has
30 Haitian employees: "I wish I had more. They come to work every day, they
don't have drug problems, they stay at their machines and make their quotas.
They come here to work."

George Bush: America is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants have helped build
the country that we have become. And immigrants can help build a dynamic
tomorrow. Not only do immigrants help build our economy, they invigorate our
soul.

Ronald Reagan: If we ever close the door to new Americans, our leadership in
the world would soon be lost.

Let us not forget the millions Reagan himself extended amnesty to.

--

Today's two reasons to not vote for Trump in 43 days.

11) Trump's failed pandemic response caused the needless
deaths of hundreds of thousands. By the time he left office,
three thousand were dying every day.

12) Trump's White House scrapped the emergency pandemic
playbook that had been assembled by the Obama administration.

On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 16:32:35 -0500, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>-hh wrote:
>
>> chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Simply put, they want to be model citizens
>>>> because they don't want to go back.
>>>
>>> Bad logic. We see, all over the world, migrants becoming entitled
>>> assholes, and being responsible for vastly disproportionate levels of
>>> violent crime.
>>
>>Nah, those are Nth generation immigrants who’ve become hypocrite MAGA
>>Republicans. /s
>
>No they're not.
>
>https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-chancellor-olaf-scholz-migration-policies-deportation-crime-islam-syriia-afghan/#:~:text=While%20foreigners%20make%20up%20about,2023%2C%20according%20to%20government%20statistics.
>
>https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/germany-violent-crime-climbs-to-historic-highs/
>
>Here's a study of Sweden.
>
>"58 per cent of those suspect fortotal crime on reasonable grounds are
>migrants. Regarding murder, manslaughter and attempted murder, the
>figures are 73 percent, while the proportion of robbery is 70 per
>cent. Non-registered migrants are linkedto about 13 per cent of total
>crime. Given the fact that this group is small, crime propensity among
>non-registered migrants is significant."
>
>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338563093_Migrants_and_Crime_in_Sweden_in_the_Twenty-First_Century#:~:text=Based%20on%2033%20per%20cent,robbery%20is%2070%20per%20cent.

Germany and Sweden are not the US. The immigrants they're dealing with are not
Christian and they come from places with radically different cultures.

Our immigrants come here for opportunity. Their immigrants came there to escape
war.

In the US, we have more deliberately integrated our immigrants into our economy,
then our society. This has not happened in Europe. Their economies are not as
strong as ours and they don't have the jobs we do but do have stronger social
safety nets.

Europe has traditionally been a place people migrated out of, not into, and
usually to America. We have a tradition if in-migration from Euro-centric
cultures. It's the very foundation of our nation. And what are Hispanics from
our hemisphere but Euro-centric cultures?

Europe has been the source of hundreds of minicultures. There, Swedes and
Norwegians are very different and their respective cultures deeply ingrained and
embedded. In Europe, calling a Basque French or Spanish might start a
fistfight. In America, nobody can tell a Swede from a Pole and we have a vast
nation all sharing one culture.

These are reasons why they are having trouble integrating their immigrants that
we don't have trouble with.

>>And FYI, I can substantiate what I said about relative crime rates. Case in
>>point:
>>
>>“September 12, 2024
>>An NIJ-funded study examining data from the Texas Department of Public
>>Safety estimated the rate at which undocumented immigrants are arrested
>>for committing crimes. The study found that undocumented immigrants are
>>arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for
>>violent and
>>drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property
>>crimes.[1]”
>
>So, about as bad as American blacks. Not good. Bad.
>
>>Naturally, chrisv can’t … and won’t … actually support his claim with
>>objective data.
>
>Did it. Here's something on the Haitians:
>
>https://youtube.com/shorts/cpVNb3EPacA?si=Kvzk96mMUWHiDZZr

This is not objective data. This is a bigot ranting at the local council. We
don't know who he is or even if this actually came from a Springfield council
meeting. (Btw, the famous cat eating picture from Springfield was actually
taken in Canton and she was tending an injured animal - not eating it.)

Nobody is more at the forefront of the illegal migration issue than Texas, yet
even Texas admits that crime is committed BY FAR more by native born than by
immigrants.

--

Today's two reasons to not vote for Trump in 43 days.

11) Trump's failed pandemic response caused the needless
deaths of hundreds of thousands. By the time he left office,
three thousand were dying every day.

12) Trump's White House scrapped the emergency pandemic
playbook that had been assembled by the Obama administration.

On 25 Sep 2024 21:54:29 GMT, Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com>
wrote:

>Sweden is paying the migrants $34,000 USD to leave the country.
>That's how bad things have gotten there.

They don't know what to do with them. There aren't enough jobs but the social
net liabilities are higher. Let them come here.

--

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11) Trump's failed pandemic response caused the needless
deaths of hundreds of thousands. By the time he left office,
three thousand were dying every day.

12) Trump's White House scrapped the emergency pandemic
playbook that had been assembled by the Obama administration.

Governor Swill wrote:

> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>-hh wrote:
>>
>>>Simply put, they want to be model citizens
>>>because they don't want to go back.
>>
>>Bad logic. We see, all over the world, migrants becoming entitled
>>assholes, and being responsible for vastly disproportionate levels of
>>violent crime.
>
>You see only what other right wing racists want you to see.

I stated only facts.

>Jamie McGregor, owner McGregor Metal fabrication in Springfield, Ohio, who has
>30 Haitian employees: "I wish I had more. They come to work every day, they
>don't have drug problems, they stay at their machines and make their quotas.
>They come here to work."
>
>George Bush: America is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants have helped build
>the country that we have become. And immigrants can help build a dynamic
>tomorrow. Not only do immigrants help build our economy, they invigorate our
>soul.
>
>Ronald Reagan: If we ever close the door to new Americans, our leadership in
>the world would soon be lost.
>
>Let us not forget the millions Reagan himself extended amnesty to.

Not "closing the door" doesn't mean letting derelicts stream at
anything like the pace that we have today, dummy. Letting quality
people immigrate to here makes sense.

Governor Swill wrote:

> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>-hh wrote:
>>
>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Simply put, they want to be model citizens
>>>>> because they don't want to go back.
>>>>
>>>> Bad logic. We see, all over the world, migrants becoming entitled
>>>> assholes, and being responsible for vastly disproportionate levels of
>>>> violent crime.
>>>
>>>Nah, those are Nth generation immigrants who’ve become hypocrite MAGA
>>>Republicans. /s
>>
>>No they're not.
>>
>>https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-chancellor-olaf-scholz-migration-policies-deportation-crime-islam-syriia-afghan/#:~:text=While%20foreigners%20make%20up%20about,2023%2C%20according%20to%20government%20statistics.
>>
>>https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/germany-violent-crime-climbs-to-historic-highs/
>>
>>Here's a study of Sweden.
>>
>>"58 per cent of those suspect fortotal crime on reasonable grounds are
>>migrants. Regarding murder, manslaughter and attempted murder, the
>>figures are 73 percent, while the proportion of robbery is 70 per
>>cent. Non-registered migrants are linkedto about 13 per cent of total
>>crime. Given the fact that this group is small, crime propensity among
>>non-registered migrants is significant."
>>
>>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338563093_Migrants_and_Crime_in_Sweden_in_the_Twenty-First_Century#:~:text=Based%20on%2033%20per%20cent,robbery%20is%2070%20per%20cent.
>
>Germany and Sweden are not the US. The immigrants they're dealing with are not
>Christian and they come from places with radically different cultures.

We've plenty of Muslims coming here, too.

>Our immigrants come here for opportunity. Their immigrants came there to escape
>war.

What nonsense. The vast majority are "economic" migrants, there and
here.

Funny how they almost all are military-aged men, too. Seems that
women and children would be represented more, if it was "escapte form
war".

>In the US, we have more deliberately integrated our immigrants into our economy,
>then our society. This has not happened in Europe. Their economies are not as
>strong as ours and they don't have the jobs we do but do have stronger social
>safety nets.

We *used to* be able to integrate them. That's failing, with the
current flood.

>Europe has traditionally been a place people migrated out of, not into, and
>usually to America. We have a tradition if in-migration from Euro-centric
>cultures. It's the very foundation of our nation. And what are Hispanics from
>our hemisphere but Euro-centric cultures?
>
>Europe has been the source of hundreds of minicultures. There, Swedes and
>Norwegians are very different and their respective cultures deeply ingrained and
>embedded. In Europe, calling a Basque French or Spanish might start a
>fistfight. In America, nobody can tell a Swede from a Pole and we have a vast
>nation all sharing one culture.
>
>These are reasons why they are having trouble integrating their immigrants that
>we don't have trouble with.

We are having the same troubles.

>>>And FYI, I can substantiate what I said about relative crime rates. Case in
>>>point:
>>>
>>>“September 12, 2024
>>>An NIJ-funded study examining data from the Texas Department of Public
>>>Safety estimated the rate at which undocumented immigrants are arrested
>>>for committing crimes. The study found that undocumented immigrants are
>>>arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for
>>>violent and
>>>drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property
>>>crimes.[1]”
>>
>>So, about as bad as American blacks. Not good. Bad.
>>
>>>Naturally, chrisv can’t … and won’t … actually support his claim with
>>>objective data.
>>
>>Did it. Here's something on the Haitians:
>>
>>https://youtube.com/shorts/cpVNb3EPacA?si=Kvzk96mMUWHiDZZr

>This is not objective data. This is a bigot ranting at the local council.

Classic. Anyone who complains is a "bigot".

>Nobody is more at the forefront of the illegal migration issue than Texas, yet
>even Texas admits that crime is committed BY FAR more by native born than by
>immigrants.

Cite, please.

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>Governor Swill wrote:
>
>>Jamie McGregor, owner McGregor Metal fabrication in Springfield, Ohio, who has
>>30 Haitian employees: "I wish I had more. They come to work every day, they
>>don't have drug problems, they stay at their machines and make their quotas.
>>They come here to work."
>>
>>George Bush: America is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants have helped build
>>the country that we have become. And immigrants can help build a dynamic
>>tomorrow. Not only do immigrants help build our economy, they invigorate our
>>soul.
>>
>>Ronald Reagan: If we ever close the door to new Americans, our leadership in
>>the world would soon be lost.
>>
>>Let us not forget the millions Reagan himself extended amnesty to.
>
>Not "closing the door" doesn't mean letting derelicts stream at
>anything like the pace that we have today, dummy. Letting quality
>people immigrate to here makes sense.

Are we unable to make "quality people" out of the folks joining us? I
thought we had education, training, experience working. Duh. You're
just not a heavy hitter on politics, stick to Linux advocacy via
"snipped, unread" ...

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 9/26/24 5:02 PM, chrisv wrote:
> Governor Swill wrote:
>
>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>
>>>> chrisv wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simply put, they want to be model citizens
>>>>>> because they don't want to go back.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bad logic. We see, all over the world, migrants becoming entitled
>>>>> assholes, and being responsible for vastly disproportionate levels of
>>>>> violent crime.
>>>>
>>>> Nah, those are Nth generation immigrants who’ve become hypocrite MAGA
>>>> Republicans. /s
>>>
>>> No they're not.

Yes, chrisv personally is being an Nth generation immigrant hypocrite.

>>> https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-chancellor-olaf-scholz-migration-policies-deportation-crime-islam-syriia-afghan/#:~:text=While%20foreigners%20make%20up%20about,2023%2C%20according%20to%20government%20statistics.
>>>
>>> https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/germany-violent-crime-climbs-to-historic-highs/
>>>
>>> Here's a study of Sweden.
>>>
>>> "58 per cent of those suspect fortotal crime on reasonable grounds are
>>> migrants. Regarding murder, manslaughter and attempted murder, the
>>> figures are 73 percent, while the proportion of robbery is 70 per
>>> cent. Non-registered migrants are linkedto about 13 per cent of total
>>> crime. Given the fact that this group is small, crime propensity among
>>> non-registered migrants is significant."
>>>
>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/338563093_Migrants_and_Crime_in_Sweden_in_the_Twenty-First_Century#:~:text=Based%20on%2033%20per%20cent,robbery%20is%2070%20per%20cent.
>>
>> Germany and Sweden are not the US.

Precisely, for the topic was US immigrants, but chrisv is "honestly" /s
trying to change the topic by cherrypicking other countries. Naturally,
he'll also run away from doing an "all countries" analysis.

>> The immigrants they're dealing with are not Christian and
>> they come from places with radically different cultures.

IMO, its more the latter than the former: they come from places which
have had dictators & strongmen, not representative democracies, so
they're not familiar with the difference in social norms that transcend
what religion one happens to be.

> We've plenty of Muslims coming here, too.

"Plenty" as in a raw count, or as a percentage of the total? Because
this is a classical red herring strategy to use one to imply the other:

so just what is the % of Muslims present in our present illegal
borderwall jumping immigrants, chrisv? Got cite?

I'm curious to see what the % is, because many of those US immigrants
are coming from Latin America, which is majority Christian countries:

"The majority of Latin Americans are Christians (90%),[2] mostly Roman
Catholics.[5][1].... According to the detailed Pew Research Center
multi-country survey in 2014, 69% of the Latin American population is
Catholic and 19% is Protestant, rising to 22% in Brazil and over 40% in
much of Central America."

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Latin_America>

>> Our immigrants come here for opportunity. Their immigrants came there to escape
>> war.
>
> What nonsense. The vast majority are "economic" migrants, there and
> here.

Of course, the two factors aren't exclusionary. Europe's emigrants have
largely been fleeing conflict zones in Syria, Afghanistan, Turkey,
Africa, and of course Ukraine:

<https://worldmigrationreport.iom.int/what-we-do/world-migration-report-2024-chapter-3/europe>

> Funny how they almost all are military-aged men, too. Seems that
> women and children would be represented more, if it was "escapte form
> war".

Funny how the ones I personally saw in Copenhagen's train station were
families.

Of course, what chrisv might be referring to was Russia's weaponization
of refugees against bordering countries like Finland:

"During the [20230 autumn, Finland experienced a sudden influx of
hundreds of migrants attempting to cross the border. They came from
distant countries, such as Somalia, Iraq, Yemen and Syria, and were
coaxed by Russian authorities into making the trip to the other side.
The November crisis, widely perceived to be a concentrated effort by the
Kremlin to sow chaos in the NATO state, led to the closure of all
crossing points."

<https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/07/30/after-finland-legalised-migrant-pushbacks-many-fear-a-dangerous-precedent>

"Over the last two months, Arab migrants have overwhelmed border
crossings between Russia and Finland. Much like the scenario at the
Polish-Belarusian border, these migrants are brought to the border in
organized groups, and Russian border guards then provide them with
bicycles....In discussions with migrants and their helpers, The Insider
uncovered that the surge of refugees isn't just happening with knowledge
but is entirely under the control of Russian security forces.
Furthermore, there is confirmation that the crisis at the Finnish border
is orchestrated by the same entities responsible for the crisis on the
Poland-Belarus border."

<https://theins.ru/en/politics/267911>

Tl:DR: they're pawns in Russia's conducting of hybrid warfare.

>> In the US, we have more deliberately integrated our immigrants into our economy,
>> then our society. This has not happened in Europe. Their economies are not as
>> strong as ours and they don't have the jobs we do but do have stronger social
>> safety nets.
>
> We *used to* be able to integrate them. That's failing, with the
> current flood.

What proof do you have that we're unable to integrate them today?
After all, isn't your claim that there's ~20M of them already here?

With US domestic unemployment well under the classical definition of
"Full Employment" of 5%, there's zero legitimate basis to try to claim
that they're stealing jobs from American citizens.

>> Europe has traditionally been a place people migrated out of, not into, and
>> usually to America. We have a tradition if in-migration from Euro-centric
>> cultures. It's the very foundation of our nation. And what are Hispanics from
>> our hemisphere but Euro-centric cultures?
>>
>> Europe has been the source of hundreds of minicultures. There, Swedes and
>> Norwegians are very different and their respective cultures deeply ingrained and
>> embedded. In Europe, calling a Basque French or Spanish might start a
>> fistfight. In America, nobody can tell a Swede from a Pole and we have a vast
>> nation all sharing one culture.
>>
>> These are reasons why they are having trouble integrating their immigrants that
>> we don't have trouble with.
>
> We are having the same troubles.

Where? How much of these claims are being made by luzer CSA holdouts
who don't like anyone who's not white? Because demographically, the
non-white (and non-straight, non-protestant) portions of American
citizens are neither 2% nor recent arrivals, but have been omnipresent
within our society for 100+ years.

FYI, don't forget that historically, the USA's pre-1965 immigration
policy was that the US Southwest border was literally wide open to
Central American foreign nationals crossing the border as they pleased.
And they did so: migrant workers for crops came north to do the work in
the spring and went home to Mexico to overwinter, repeating that cycle
for close to a hundred years.

>>>> And FYI, I can substantiate what I said about relative crime rates. Case in
>>>> point:
>>>>
>>>> “September 12, 2024
>>>> An NIJ-funded study examining data from the Texas Department of Public
>>>> Safety estimated the rate at which undocumented immigrants are arrested
>>>> for committing crimes. The study found that undocumented immigrants are
>>>> arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for
>>>> violent and
>>>> drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property
>>>> crimes.[1]”
>>>
>>> So, about as bad as American blacks. Not good. Bad.
>>>
>>>> Naturally, chrisv can’t … and won’t … actually support his claim with
>>>> objective data.
>>>
>>> Did it. Here's something on the Haitians:
>>>
>>> https://youtube.com/shorts/cpVNb3EPacA?si=Kvzk96mMUWHiDZZr
>
>> This is not objective data. This is a bigot ranting at the local council.
>
> Classic. Anyone who complains is a "bigot".

-hh wrote:
> And something to note in it is the very low conviction rate from
> arrests; call it roughly just one third (1/3rd).

Well Goddamn Huntzy!

Ya think maybe they sneak back over the wide open border or just fail to
ever show up?

How many "Juans" doe sit take to create no Juans?

Ya dumb fucking TRAITOR!

--
⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

-hh wrote:
> if our per capita rate of immigration today was set to be the same as it
> was a century ago, we'd be opening our shores to 5 million per year

SO FUCKING WHAT?

Nations adjust all over time..

But successful nations do nor refuse to SECURE THEIR BORDERS!

You treasonous slimebag!
--
⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:m9kbfjl6oqvkdnqft69n7oceaievpj7mdb@4ax.com...
> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>Governor Swill wrote:
>>
>>>Jamie McGregor, owner McGregor Metal fabrication in Springfield, Ohio,
>>>who has
>>>30 Haitian employees: "I wish I had more. They come to work every day,
>>>they
>>>don't have drug problems, they stay at their machines and make their
>>>quotas.
>>>They come here to work."
>>>
>>>George Bush: America is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants have helped
>>>build
>>>the country that we have become. And immigrants can help build a dynamic
>>>tomorrow. Not only do immigrants help build our economy, they invigorate
>>>our
>>>soul.
>>>
>>>Ronald Reagan: If we ever close the door to new Americans, our
>>>leadership in
>>>the world would soon be lost.
>>>
>>>Let us not forget the millions Reagan himself extended amnesty to.
>>
>>Not "closing the door" doesn't mean letting derelicts stream at
>>anything like the pace that we have today, dummy. Letting quality
>>people immigrate to here makes sense.
>
>
> Are we unable to make "quality people" out of the folks joining us?

Well, how do you make quality people from people that start off by openly
violating our laws?

> I
> thought we had education, training, experience working. Duh.

You thought wrong. Out educational system is now a joke. Colleges are no
better and people are ill-prepared for the job market.

> You're
> just not a heavy hitter on politics, stick to Linux advocacy via
> "snipped, unread" ...

You're not a heavy hitter on anything. Even in Linux advocacy about all you
have to say is that you use it and think it's better.

"Mittens Romney" <robberbaron@invalid.ut> wrote in message
news:vd6lab$po0d$2@dont-email.me...
> -hh wrote:
>> And something to note in it is the very low conviction rate from arrests;
>> call it roughly just one third (1/3rd).
>
> Well Goddamn Huntzy!

How many weren't convicted because they simply disappeared?

On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 12:25:02 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
>"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:m9kbfjl6oqvkdnqft69n7oceaievpj7mdb@4ax.com...
>> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>Governor Swill wrote:
>>>
>>>>Jamie McGregor, owner McGregor Metal fabrication in Springfield, Ohio,
>>>>who has
>>>>30 Haitian employees: "I wish I had more. They come to work every day,
>>>>they
>>>>don't have drug problems, they stay at their machines and make their
>>>>quotas.
>>>>They come here to work."
>>>>
>>>>George Bush: America is a nation of immigrants. Immigrants have helped
>>>>build
>>>>the country that we have become. And immigrants can help build a dynamic
>>>>tomorrow. Not only do immigrants help build our economy, they invigorate
>>>>our
>>>>soul.
>>>>
>>>>Ronald Reagan: If we ever close the door to new Americans, our
>>>>leadership in
>>>>the world would soon be lost.
>>>>
>>>>Let us not forget the millions Reagan himself extended amnesty to.
>>>
>>>Not "closing the door" doesn't mean letting derelicts stream at
>>>anything like the pace that we have today, dummy. Letting quality
>>>people immigrate to here makes sense.
>>
>>
>> Are we unable to make "quality people" out of the folks joining us?
>
>Well, how do you make quality people from people that start off by openly
>violating our laws?

You let them get jobs and work.

--

Today's two reasons to not vote for Trump in 39 days.

15) Recommended Fake COVID cures like injecting disinfectant or
hydroxychloroquine. After the injection comments, poison centers
received a spike in calls.

16) Trump presided over a *net* loss of 2.9 million jobs.
That's the worst performance of any President, ever.