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Subject: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
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Spoiler: you're going to need to remove pretty much everything that has
to do with CUPS and never print from a UNIX machine ever again to fix this.

<https://lunduke.locals.com/upost/6159931/the-9-9-linux-vulnerability-revealed-its-the-printers>

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CrudeSausage
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Subject: Re: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
From: rbowman
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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2024 02:00 UTC
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On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 19:27:50 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> Spoiler: you're going to need to remove pretty much everything that has
> to do with CUPS and never print from a UNIX machine ever again to fix
> this.
>
> <https://lunduke.locals.com/upost/6159931/the-9-9-linux-vulnerability-
revealed-its-the-printers>

On Ubuntu cios is a snap package so you need

sudo snap stop cups
sudo snap disable cups

I still had to run

sudo systemctl stop cups

to get rid of cupsd. cups.cups-browsed wasn't running on the Fedora box
and systemctl got rid of cupsd. I print something every other year so I
don't see a downside.

Subject: Re: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
From: Lawrence D'Oliv
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On 27 Sep 2024 02:00:10 GMT, rbowman wrote:

> sudo systemctl stop cups

systemctl has the option “disable --now” to stop the service and also
prevent it from autostarting. Does the “snap” command have a similar
option?

Subject: Re: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
From: RonB
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On 2024-09-26, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> Spoiler: you're going to need to remove pretty much everything that has
> to do with CUPS and never print from a UNIX machine ever again to fix this.
>
><https://lunduke.locals.com/upost/6159931/the-9-9-linux-vulnerability-revealed-its-the-printers>

YAWWWWWNNNNNNN

--
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what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Subject: Re: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
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On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 04:32:48 -0000 (UTC), RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
wrote in <vd5chg$jdi1$6@dont-email.me>:

> On 2024-09-26, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Spoiler: you're going to need to remove pretty much everything that has
>> to do with CUPS and never print from a UNIX machine ever again to fix
>> this.
>>
>><https://lunduke.locals.com/upost/6159931/the-9-9-linux-vulnerability-
revealed-its-the-printers>
>
> YAWWWWWNNNNNNN

I wonder what can possibly be done to mitigate against
such a nefarious problem?

--
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OS: Linux 6.11.0 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"Confusion not only reigns, it pours."

Subject: Re: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
From: rbowman
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On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 02:30:12 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> systemctl has the option “disable --now” to stop the service and also
> prevent it from autostarting. Does the “snap” command have a similar
> option?

snap stop
snap disable

$ snap services
Service Startup Current
Notes
canonical-livepatch.canonical-livepatchd enabled active -
cups.cups-browsed disabled inactive -
cups.cupsd disabled inactive -
snapd-desktop-integration.snapd-desktop-integration enabled active
user

Subject: Re: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
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On 2024-09-27 12:32 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-09-26, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> Spoiler: you're going to need to remove pretty much everything that has
>> to do with CUPS and never print from a UNIX machine ever again to fix this.
>>
>> <https://lunduke.locals.com/upost/6159931/the-9-9-linux-vulnerability-revealed-its-the-printers>
>
> YAWWWWWNNNNNNN

Before you know it, you'll have to disable most of modern conveniences
of Linux just to keep yourself protected. It's pathetic how Windows ends
up being more secure than Linux and MacOS in this respect.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

Subject: Re: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
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On 2024-09-27, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-09-27 12:32 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-09-26, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> Spoiler: you're going to need to remove pretty much everything that has
>>> to do with CUPS and never print from a UNIX machine ever again to fix this.
>>>
>>> <https://lunduke.locals.com/upost/6159931/the-9-9-linux-vulnerability-revealed-its-the-printers>
>>
>> YAWWWWWNNNNNNN
>
> Before you know it, you'll have to disable most of modern conveniences
> of Linux just to keep yourself protected. It's pathetic how Windows ends
> up being more secure than Linux and MacOS in this respect.

Total bullshit. Sorry but I'm not buying into your hyperventilating
hyperbole about "Linux insecurity." I'm guessing you're disappointed that
the fix for this "catastrophic" issue was so damned simple, so you're
doubling down on the "hypothetical insecure BS" angle.

Use your ad-infested, back-door infested Windows crap and enjoy it. I'll
keep using Linux, thank you.

--
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what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Subject: Re: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
From: Joel
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RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:

>Use your ad-infested, back-door infested Windows crap and enjoy it. I'll
>keep using Linux, thank you.

I got Copilot PLUS!* Kidding of course, this is why I'm feeling so
great about openSUSE.

* https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/copilot-plus-pcs

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Subject: Re: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
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On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 08:53:33 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> It's pathetic how Windows ends
> up being more secure than Linux and MacOS in this respect.

Since when? Microsoft needs patches to its Windows patches, to fix new
bugs introduced by those patches, or because the original patch doesn’t
properly fix the problem.

In the Open Source world, once a bug is fixed, it does tend to stay fixed.

Subject: Re: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
From: CrudeSausage
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On 2024-09-27 7:19 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-09-27, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-09-27 12:32 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-09-26, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> Spoiler: you're going to need to remove pretty much everything that has
>>>> to do with CUPS and never print from a UNIX machine ever again to fix this.
>>>>
>>>> <https://lunduke.locals.com/upost/6159931/the-9-9-linux-vulnerability-revealed-its-the-printers>
>>>
>>> YAWWWWWNNNNNNN
>>
>> Before you know it, you'll have to disable most of modern conveniences
>> of Linux just to keep yourself protected. It's pathetic how Windows ends
>> up being more secure than Linux and MacOS in this respect.
>
> Total bullshit. Sorry but I'm not buying into your hyperventilating
> hyperbole about "Linux insecurity." I'm guessing you're disappointed that
> the fix for this "catastrophic" issue was so damned simple, so you're
> doubling down on the "hypothetical insecure BS" angle.
>
> Use your ad-infested, back-door infested Windows crap and enjoy it. I'll
> keep using Linux, thank you.

Like I said, I'm happy to see that the solution is as simple as it is
and that it doesn't affect printing as much as I expected that it would.
When the problem was revealed, it truly sounded like the fix would be
worse than the problem.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

Subject: Re: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
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On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 08:01:14 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> Like I said, I'm happy to see that the solution is as simple as it is
> and that it doesn't affect printing as much as I expected that it would.
> When the problem was revealed, it truly sounded like the fix would be
> worse than the problem.

I don't know if it is a fix but I noticed cups-browsed and other cups
files were in the Fedora 40 update I did last night.

Subject: Re: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
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On 9/27/2024 7:27 PM, Joel wrote:
> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Use your ad-infested, back-door infested Windows crap and enjoy it. I'll
>> keep using Linux, thank you.
>
>
> I got Copilot PLUS!* Kidding of course, this is why I'm feeling so
> great about openSUSE.
>
> * https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/copilot-plus-pcs

You want Windows 11/12/13 and CoPilot+ running on an ARM CPU so bad you
can taste it. No need to deny it.

Subject: Re: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
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On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 08:01:14 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:

> When the problem was revealed, it truly sounded like the fix would be
> worse than the problem.

It seems like the high rating was based purely on the consequences of
exploiting the bug, not taking into account how easy or difficult it might
be to mitigate.

Subject: Re: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
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DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>> I got Copilot PLUS!* Kidding of course, this is why I'm feeling so
>> great about openSUSE.
>>
>> * https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/copilot-plus-pcs
>
>You want Windows 11/12/13 and CoPilot+ running on an ARM CPU so bad you
>can taste it. No need to deny it.

DFS, buddy, I *DO* want one of those new ARM laptops "so bad I can
taste it". But I would *delete* Win11Copilot, and install openSUSE
for ARM.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Subject: Re: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
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On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 21:47:21 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 17:09:07 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> You want Windows 11/12/13 and CoPilot+ running on an ARM CPU so bad you
>> can taste it. No need to deny it.
>
> What’s been happening with Windows-on-Qualcomm-ARM, anyway? Seems things
> have gone quiet these past few months ...

The Azure Cobalt 100 has been quiet also.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-azure-maia-ai-accelerator-
cobalt-cpu-custom

MS may be too busy with its AI problems.

Subject: Re: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
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On 2024-09-28 2:37 p.m., rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 08:01:14 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>
>> Like I said, I'm happy to see that the solution is as simple as it is
>> and that it doesn't affect printing as much as I expected that it would.
>> When the problem was revealed, it truly sounded like the fix would be
>> worse than the problem.
>
> I don't know if it is a fix but I noticed cups-browsed and other cups
> files were in the Fedora 40 update I did last night.

That would be interesting since the article suggested that developers
have been looking for a solution for weeks and been unable to find one.
All the better if they've figured something out. Seriously though, if it
is possible to simply disable cups-browsed without compromising
functionality, why even make a big deal out of this? They seem to have
made it sound much worse than it actually is.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

Subject: Re: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
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On 2024-09-28 5:09 p.m., DFS wrote:
> On 9/27/2024 7:27 PM, Joel wrote:
>> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Use your ad-infested, back-door infested Windows crap and enjoy it. I'll
>>> keep using Linux, thank you.
>>
>>
>> I got Copilot PLUS!*  Kidding of course, this is why I'm feeling so
>> great about openSUSE.
>>
>> * https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/copilot-plus-pcs
>
>
> You want Windows 11/12/13 and CoPilot+ running on an ARM CPU so bad you
> can taste it.  No need to deny it.

Joel needs AI to tell him that he's one sexy motherfucker. So far, AI
has preferred to commit suicide rather than say such a thing.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

Subject: Re: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
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On 2024-09-29, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-09-28 2:37 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 08:01:14 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>
>>> Like I said, I'm happy to see that the solution is as simple as it is
>>> and that it doesn't affect printing as much as I expected that it would.
>>> When the problem was revealed, it truly sounded like the fix would be
>>> worse than the problem.
>>
>> I don't know if it is a fix but I noticed cups-browsed and other cups
>> files were in the Fedora 40 update I did last night.
>
> That would be interesting since the article suggested that developers
> have been looking for a solution for weeks and been unable to find one.
> All the better if they've figured something out. Seriously though, if it
> is possible to simply disable cups-browsed without compromising
> functionality, why even make a big deal out of this? They seem to have
> made it sound much worse than it actually is.

The reason to make a "big deal out of it" is that it is a potential security
risk for those with their UDP 631 ports exposed to the Internet and who are
using cups-browsed. Just for the sake of safety I've uninstalled
cups-browsed on my computers, but I'm pretty sure I don't have my UDP 631
port opened to the world. I think this is mostly an issue for companies and
corporations who do remote printing (which I'm guessing isn't that common
anymore, but I don't know for sure because I don't work in that
environment).

When they say they've been trying to find a solution for weeks, I think it
means for those who still need the cups-browsed feature. For most of the
Linux world the fix is easy (or not necessary).

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Subject: Re: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
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On 2024-09-29, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-09-28 5:09 p.m., DFS wrote:
>> On 9/27/2024 7:27 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Use your ad-infested, back-door infested Windows crap and enjoy it. I'll
>>>> keep using Linux, thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>> I got Copilot PLUS!*  Kidding of course, this is why I'm feeling so
>>> great about openSUSE.
>>>
>>> * https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/copilot-plus-pcs
>>
>>
>> You want Windows 11/12/13 and CoPilot+ running on an ARM CPU so bad you
>> can taste it.  No need to deny it.
>
> Joel needs AI to tell him that he's one sexy motherfucker. So far, AI
> has preferred to commit suicide rather than say such a thing.

I have absolutely NO desire to have anything AI anywhere near my computer. I
just read today that AI server farms each require more electricity than
whole cities. So much for the "green revolution." Wonder why the Climate
Screechers aren't screeching up a storm about this?

This is not the article I saw, but it's all I could find with a quick
Internet search...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/09/18/energy-ai-use-electricity-water-data-centers/

Even the Woke should like this article as it's printed the Washington Woke
Post.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Subject: Re: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
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On Sun, 29 Sep 2024 17:54:17 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> I have absolutely NO desire to have anything AI anywhere near my
> computer. I just read today that AI server farms each require more
> electricity than whole cities. So much for the "green revolution."
> Wonder why the Climate Screechers aren't screeching up a storm about
> this?

No problem.

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/20/nx-s1-5120581/three-mile-island-nuclear-
power-plant-microsoft-ai

https://www.gatesnotes.com/Wyoming-TerraPower-groundbreaking

Dismantling plants like Maine Yankee may have been shortsighted. Like
Seabrook it assumed increased energy usage that never came and was not
competitive with cheap hydro from Quebec. Now data centers, particularly
for AI, are near infinite energy sinks.

Subject: Re: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
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On 2024-09-29 1:44 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-09-29, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-09-28 2:37 p.m., rbowman wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 Sep 2024 08:01:14 -0400, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>
>>>> Like I said, I'm happy to see that the solution is as simple as it is
>>>> and that it doesn't affect printing as much as I expected that it would.
>>>> When the problem was revealed, it truly sounded like the fix would be
>>>> worse than the problem.
>>>
>>> I don't know if it is a fix but I noticed cups-browsed and other cups
>>> files were in the Fedora 40 update I did last night.
>>
>> That would be interesting since the article suggested that developers
>> have been looking for a solution for weeks and been unable to find one.
>> All the better if they've figured something out. Seriously though, if it
>> is possible to simply disable cups-browsed without compromising
>> functionality, why even make a big deal out of this? They seem to have
>> made it sound much worse than it actually is.
>
> The reason to make a "big deal out of it" is that it is a potential security
> risk for those with their UDP 631 ports exposed to the Internet and who are
> using cups-browsed. Just for the sake of safety I've uninstalled
> cups-browsed on my computers, but I'm pretty sure I don't have my UDP 631
> port opened to the world. I think this is mostly an issue for companies and
> corporations who do remote printing (which I'm guessing isn't that common
> anymore, but I don't know for sure because I don't work in that
> environment).
>
> When they say they've been trying to find a solution for weeks, I think it
> means for those who still need the cups-browsed feature. For most of the
> Linux world the fix is easy (or not necessary).

In that case, I look forward to discovering what the next "serious"
vulnerability is, and whether it actually makes any kind of an impact.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

Subject: Re: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
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On 2024-09-29 1:54 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-09-29, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-09-28 5:09 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>> On 9/27/2024 7:27 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Use your ad-infested, back-door infested Windows crap and enjoy it. I'll
>>>>> keep using Linux, thank you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I got Copilot PLUS!*  Kidding of course, this is why I'm feeling so
>>>> great about openSUSE.
>>>>
>>>> * https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/copilot-plus-pcs
>>>
>>>
>>> You want Windows 11/12/13 and CoPilot+ running on an ARM CPU so bad you
>>> can taste it.  No need to deny it.
>>
>> Joel needs AI to tell him that he's one sexy motherfucker. So far, AI
>> has preferred to commit suicide rather than say such a thing.
>
> I have absolutely NO desire to have anything AI anywhere near my computer. I
> just read today that AI server farms each require more electricity than
> whole cities. So much for the "green revolution." Wonder why the Climate
> Screechers aren't screeching up a storm about this?
>
> This is not the article I saw, but it's all I could find with a quick
> Internet search...
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/09/18/energy-ai-use-electricity-water-data-centers/
>
> Even the Woke should like this article as it's printed the Washington Woke
> Post.

In case you're not already aware, Microsoft is looking to relaunch the
Three Mile Island nuclear reactor to power their data center... but you
should definitely trust them when they tell you that they're not
gathering data on you.
<https://www.npr.org/2024/09/20/nx-s1-5120581/three-mile-island-nuclear-power-plant-microsoft-ai>

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

Subject: Re: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
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On 2024-09-30, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
> On 2024-09-29 1:54 p.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-09-29, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>> On 2024-09-28 5:09 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>>> On 9/27/2024 7:27 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Use your ad-infested, back-door infested Windows crap and enjoy it. I'll
>>>>>> keep using Linux, thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I got Copilot PLUS!*  Kidding of course, this is why I'm feeling so
>>>>> great about openSUSE.
>>>>>
>>>>> * https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/copilot-plus-pcs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You want Windows 11/12/13 and CoPilot+ running on an ARM CPU so bad you
>>>> can taste it.  No need to deny it.
>>>
>>> Joel needs AI to tell him that he's one sexy motherfucker. So far, AI
>>> has preferred to commit suicide rather than say such a thing.
>>
>> I have absolutely NO desire to have anything AI anywhere near my computer. I
>> just read today that AI server farms each require more electricity than
>> whole cities. So much for the "green revolution." Wonder why the Climate
>> Screechers aren't screeching up a storm about this?
>>
>> This is not the article I saw, but it's all I could find with a quick
>> Internet search...
>>
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/09/18/energy-ai-use-electricity-water-data-centers/
>>
>> Even the Woke should like this article as it's printed the Washington Woke
>> Post.
>
> In case you're not already aware, Microsoft is looking to relaunch the
> Three Mile Island nuclear reactor to power their data center... but you
> should definitely trust them when they tell you that they're not
> gathering data on you.
><https://www.npr.org/2024/09/20/nx-s1-5120581/three-mile-island-nuclear-power-plant-microsoft-ai>

I became aware of this because of all the AI server farms they're building
in northern Virginia rural areas. Apparently they think they have the right
to claim eminent domain on farmland to build the power lines across
Maryland to power these server farms. The reason this bothers me is because
part of my childhood was spent in that farmland in Maryland. Beautiful
country.

It pisses me off that they find a remote area to build these AI server farms
and then demand that the states bend over backwards to supply power to them
— which will cause the price of electricity to rise all over Maryland. And,
of course, the worthless politicians bend over backwards to give them what
they want, despite what it costs to the average Marylander.

What should be done is that these AI server farms should be built in the old
rust-belt zones of crumbling cities, like Baltimore. Where the
infrastructure is already nearby, and it wouldn't require miles and miles of
new high voltage electric lines. But I guess that's not good enough for
these entitled bastards who are building these damned AI server farms.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

Subject: Re: Lunduke's video on this latest issue
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On 2024-09-30 2:50 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-09-30, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>> On 2024-09-29 1:54 p.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-09-29, CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-09-28 5:09 p.m., DFS wrote:
>>>>> On 9/27/2024 7:27 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>>> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Use your ad-infested, back-door infested Windows crap and enjoy it. I'll
>>>>>>> keep using Linux, thank you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got Copilot PLUS!*  Kidding of course, this is why I'm feeling so
>>>>>> great about openSUSE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/copilot-plus-pcs
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You want Windows 11/12/13 and CoPilot+ running on an ARM CPU so bad you
>>>>> can taste it.  No need to deny it.
>>>>
>>>> Joel needs AI to tell him that he's one sexy motherfucker. So far, AI
>>>> has preferred to commit suicide rather than say such a thing.
>>>
>>> I have absolutely NO desire to have anything AI anywhere near my computer. I
>>> just read today that AI server farms each require more electricity than
>>> whole cities. So much for the "green revolution." Wonder why the Climate
>>> Screechers aren't screeching up a storm about this?
>>>
>>> This is not the article I saw, but it's all I could find with a quick
>>> Internet search...
>>>
>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/09/18/energy-ai-use-electricity-water-data-centers/
>>>
>>> Even the Woke should like this article as it's printed the Washington Woke
>>> Post.
>>
>> In case you're not already aware, Microsoft is looking to relaunch the
>> Three Mile Island nuclear reactor to power their data center... but you
>> should definitely trust them when they tell you that they're not
>> gathering data on you.
>> <https://www.npr.org/2024/09/20/nx-s1-5120581/three-mile-island-nuclear-power-plant-microsoft-ai>
>
> I became aware of this because of all the AI server farms they're building
> in northern Virginia rural areas. Apparently they think they have the right
> to claim eminent domain on farmland to build the power lines across
> Maryland to power these server farms. The reason this bothers me is because
> part of my childhood was spent in that farmland in Maryland. Beautiful
> country.
>
> It pisses me off that they find a remote area to build these AI server farms
> and then demand that the states bend over backwards to supply power to them
> — which will cause the price of electricity to rise all over Maryland. And,
> of course, the worthless politicians bend over backwards to give them what
> they want, despite what it costs to the average Marylander.
>
> What should be done is that these AI server farms should be built in the old
> rust-belt zones of crumbling cities, like Baltimore. Where the
> infrastructure is already nearby, and it wouldn't require miles and miles of
> new high voltage electric lines. But I guess that's not good enough for
> these entitled bastards who are building these damned AI server farms.

I guess now we know why it was that Bill Gates bought all that farmland
in the United States. We figured it was to kill off the local farmer,
but it looks like that will just be a secondary consequence. I'll be
honest, finding out that Gates was looking to revive Three Mile Island
and create such massive data centers was enough for me to abandon
Microsoft's software entirely, but I've said that before and I know that
I will eventually come running back. Sadly, I'm getting the impression
that like me, people will eventually swallow this crap and adopt it
rather than fight what is obviously an operating to obliterate privacy
once and for all.

--
CrudeSausage
Catholic, paleoconservative, Christ is king

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