On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 14:27:21 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
>"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 09:47:14 -0500, "Scout" wrote:
>>>"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 09:33:31 -0500, "Scout" wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>>>Meanwhile, the reality of economic is that corporations don't pay taxes,
>>>>>they merely collect them and pass them along.
>>>>
>>>> So we shouldn't tax businesses at all? Should we only tax consumers
>>>> directly?
>>>
>>>Well, what benefit do you see from corporate taxes?
>
>I accept your answer as 'none'

Then you would be mistaken.
>
>>
>> What benefit do you see from personal taxes?
>
>Pays for the necessary functions of government... and sadly a lot of totally
>unnecessary functions.
>
>>>>>Dress it up however you like but the bottom line is they WILL maintain a
>>>>>particular percentage of gross profit as their net profit.. Which is why
>>>>>corporations always announce record profits after a tax hike on
>>>>>corporations.
>>>>
>>>> But Trump's tariffs are ok because the corporations will pay them out of
>>>> their profits.
>>>
>>>Yes, but not for the reason you're imply.
>>
>> I was being sarcastic. The tariff's are nothing more than a tax increase
>> on
>> Americans that will affect middle and lower class families
>> disproportionately.
>
>Agreed, but as noted it tends, not I said tends, to encourage or discourage
>international trade into/out of the country. That can be of economic
>benefits depending on the directionality of the net trade and the products
>in that trade.
>
>
>>
>>>The actual tariff will still end
>>>up being paid by the consumers that chose to pay the higher price, but
>>>that's their choice to do so, or not do so.
>>
>> Yes, they can choose not to eat, wear clothes or buy tires.
>
>Only if they are foreign made, or foreign materials. Then they tends towards
>buying domestic which is better for our own economy.
>
>
>> Take your head out of your ass, dude.
>
>It is, you mistake the way they are currently taxing with the way it should
>be done. Today, it's about getting the government more money rather than
>what is best for the nation.
>
>Why because they get a say in how that money is used and often end up
>padding their own pockets in the process. How else do you think a freshman
>Senator becomes a millionaire within an average of their first 2 years in
>office?
>
>It certainly isn't from their official pay.
>
>>>What it does is increase or decrease the cost of import/exports thus
>>>helping
>>>to govern international trade.
>>
>> What it does is drive inflation and increase the tax burden on working
>> people.
>
>It can do that as well. Just as almost anything can be misused to cause
>harm. Which is why I think the power to change taxation should be removed
>from government.
>
>>>If foreign products are taxed on import they
>>>become less competitive and the jobs and wealth tend to stay in the US.
>>
>> And what about the tariffs other nations charge or our goods thus reducing
>> our
>> exports and costing us jobs, not to mention gutting American market
>> dominance.
>
>Yep, it works in both ways.
>
>>>Thus
>>>by using tariffs we can encourage businesses to give more attention to the
>>>US market than the international Market.
>>
>> No, actually, you can't. Tariffs only encourage them to go out of
>> business if
>> they try to absorb the tariff themselves.
>
>Yep, and thus works to make the domestic market or foreign market more
>attractive thus influencing international trade.. hopefully in a manner
>favorable for your country.
>
>>
>> Again, you keep forgetting that other nations will hit US with tariffs.
>
>Yep, and thus we have to consider who, how, much and their reactions.
>
>> Remember that after Trump's first round of Chinese tariffs, they put a
>> tariff on
>> US soybeans. That tariff reduced soybean exports enough that the
>> administration
>> had to buy the farmers' surplus to keep them from bankrupting and to
>> salvage
>> their votes. That tariff situation is a big chunk of why Trump's lead in
>> Iowa
>> is only 4 points.
>
>Yep, which is why you shouldn't make large and sweeping policy changes like
>that until you know what the reaction is going to be.
>
>>
>>>Right now we have net $1 Trillion dollars a year flowing out of our
>>>economy
>>>into the economies of other countries. That is the current trade imbalance
>>>we have. The wealth of the nation is flowing out of this country due to
>>>this
>>>trade imbalance. Imagine what a Trillion dollars of jobs would look
>>>like....
>>>then add in another Trillion dollars of jobs next year.. and the year
>>>after
>>>that...
>>
>> This is perfectly in accordance with our role as the sole source of the
>> globe's
>> most popular trading currency.
>
>Currently, but our role in that is coming under more and more pressure each
>year.
>After all, as the government devalues the dollar.. it's not nearly as
>attractive as it once was, and as the world sees the handwriting on the
>wall, they don't want to be the last person holding it when our economic
>ship goes over the falls.
>
> That position also advantages us since we
>> control that money supply. Access to American markets is a powerful
>> diplomatic
>> tool.
>
>Yep, and slowly we have been eroding that faith and once the world starts to
>cut loss of that.. it's going to go quick and all the promises in the world
>won't matter then.
>
>
>>>So do tariffs server a purpose? Absolutely, but make no mistake they are
>>>ultimately paid by the consumer of the tariffed products. Corporations are
>>>just the middlemen.
>>
>> Precisely. It's a regressive tax hike on the middle class. Just the
>> thing to
>> subsidize tax cuts on the wealthy and corporations.
>
>Well, since their taxes end up being collected from us anyway.. why not?
>
>Now we could make the wealthy pay if we really wanted to, but the wealthy
>pay enough to politicians so they don't really do it. Oh, they say they are,
>and they may actually impose it, but they always leave escape routes that
>the rich can take advantage of to evade the tax. Many most people could use
>if they only knew of them and used them.
>
>>>The reason we impose income tax on Corporations is because most people
>>>don't
>>>see themselves as the one paying the tax, but this rich corporation.
>>
>> We impose taxes on corporations and companies because they are individual
>> entities. They get great advantage from that status.
>
>Legally they are entities, but in practice they just collect the tax from
>their customers, add some from themselves and declare record profits after
>each tax hike.
>
>Why? Industries over time have found that if you are in industry X the ideal
>net profit ratio is X%
>
>We tax corporations, that comes out of gross profits, which as a added cost
>means it reduces net profits by that amount.. reducing the desired net
>profit ratio.
>
>So they figure ways to cut costs or increase prices... Which they do. The
>company expands gross profits to pay the tax, but just increasing it by the
>amount of the tax, isn't enough, because that still won't get you back to X%
>of net profit. So you increase revenue some more until Net profits are back
>at the ideal percentage for that industry. But since Total profits are now
>up.. the company announces Record profits after the tax was imposed.
>
>In effect the companies are paying themselves to collect the tax for the
>government. We are the ones paying it through higher prices for what we get.
>
>You see it in higher prices and 'sinkflation' in products as 16oz becomes
>14oz then 12oz....
>
>>>Then
>>>blame the higher prices and reduced amounts on the 'evil' corporations
>>>working to increase their profits. Which in truth they are.. because they
>>>have to pay the tax somehow and maintain their net profit percentage for
>>>investors.
>>
>> Then why saddle them with even more taxes in the form of tariffs?
>
>Simple, the tariffs are to influence behavior by artificially increasing
>prices on incoming or outgoing classes of good to impact how those products
>perform in your local economy.
>
>>
>>>In the end.. any tax ends up being paid by the people doing the work.
>>
>> And ... ?
>
>And people tend towards the less expensive option, which was the purpose of
>the tariff. To influence people's purchasing options.
>
>
>
>
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On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 14:29:51 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
>"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:kr4bfj556hvteue4ueivk47m9p6pk466sv@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 09:29:56 -0500, "Scout"
>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>news:vd1tis$3lhbk$4@dont-email.me...
>>>> On 9/25/24 10:39 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1752535673.748907507.964409.recscuba_google-
>>>>> huntzinger.com@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>> Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After all, why do you think an ounce of gold I paid $280 for is now
>>>>>>> worth
>>>>>>> $2,700. It wasn't because the gold changed in value, but rather the
>>>>>>> money
>>>>>>> did.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Part of it, sure, but gold is still a commodity driven by rules of
>>>>>> supply &
>>>>>> demand.
>>>>>
>>>>> True, but oddly enough the gold price of things remains pretty
>>>>> consistent
>>>>> over time because the supply pretty much keeps up with demand as more
>>>>> gold is mined each year.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A lot of that has more to do with the economics of extraction.
>>>>
>>>> Its also why we're not going to see <$50/barrel oil in a sustainable
>>>> fashion, despite some politician's promises to cut the price in half:
>>>> the
>>>> break even point on the costs of extraction & refinement for a good
>>>> chunk
>>>> of current oil field supply is ~$55/bbl. So if prices dip below
>>>> breakeven, they'll stop pumping instead of actively losing money.
>>>
>>>And yet I know of no case were a gold mine was shut down because the price
>>>of gold was too low.....
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Because the price of gold has always been higher than the cost of
>> extraction.
>
>Exactly..

The price of oil, not so much.

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Today's two reasons to not vote for Trump in 40 days.

13) Trump disbanded the National Security Council's
pandemic response team.

14) Trump repeatedly lied about the danger of covid
saying it was no worse than the flue or that it would
go away on its own.

But behind closed doors, Trump admitted it was deadly.

On 9/26/24 10:29 AM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
> news:vd1tis$3lhbk$4@dont-email.me...
>> On 9/25/24 10:39 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1752535673.748907507.964409.recscuba_google-
>>> huntzinger.com@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>> Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>> …
>>>>>
>>>>> After all, why do you think an ounce of gold I paid $280 for is now
>>>>> worth
>>>>> $2,700. It wasn't because the gold changed in value, but rather the
>>>>> money
>>>>> did.
>>>>
>>>> Part of it, sure, but gold is still a commodity driven by rules of
>>>> supply &
>>>> demand.
>>>
>>> True, but oddly enough the gold price of things remains pretty
>>> consistent over time because the supply pretty much keeps up with
>>> demand as more gold is mined each year.
>>
>>
>> A lot of that has more to do with the economics of extraction.
>>
>> Its also why we're not going to see <$50/barrel oil in a sustainable
>> fashion, despite some politician's promises to cut the price in half:
>> the break even point on the costs of extraction & refinement for a
>> good chunk of current oil field supply is ~$55/bbl.  So if prices dip
>> below breakeven, they'll stop pumping instead of actively losing money.
>
> And yet I know of no case were a gold mine was shut down because the
> price of gold was too low.....

Sounds like you've not looked:

<https://www.marketplace.org/2024/07/30/gold-rush-mines-21st-century-safety-hazard-could-take-colorado-decades-close/>
<https://earthworks.org/issues/abandoned_mines_in_the_western_united_states/>

Every physical commodity has a cost of extraction-to-market. Doesn't
matter if we're talking about gold or water. When the market price
isn't high enough to support the extraction operation, they shut down.

Personally, I can remember going on a tour of a closed gold mine in
South Dakota...somewhere near Rapid City, if I recall. I can't say if
it was this specific one (link below), but its an opportunity for you to
personally go lay eyes on a genuine gold mine that's shut down its gold
extraction operations yourself, to see that they do indeed exist:

<https://www.bigthundermine.com>

-hh

Governor Swill wrote:
> not so much.

Choose your cell #.

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

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> Then you would be mistaken.

Choose your cell# Rudey.

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

On 9/26/24 4:05 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 14:29:51 -0500, "Scout"
> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:kr4bfj556hvteue4ueivk47m9p6pk466sv@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 09:29:56 -0500, "Scout"
>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:vd1tis$3lhbk$4@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 9/25/24 10:39 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1752535673.748907507.964409.recscuba_google-
>>>>>> huntzinger.com@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>> Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> After all, why do you think an ounce of gold I paid $280 for is now
>>>>>>>> worth
>>>>>>>> $2,700. It wasn't because the gold changed in value, but rather the
>>>>>>>> money
>>>>>>>> did.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Part of it, sure, but gold is still a commodity driven by rules of
>>>>>>> supply &
>>>>>>> demand.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> True, but oddly enough the gold price of things remains pretty
>>>>>> consistent
>>>>>> over time because the supply pretty much keeps up with demand as more
>>>>>> gold is mined each year.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A lot of that has more to do with the economics of extraction.
>>>>>
>>>>> Its also why we're not going to see <$50/barrel oil in a sustainable
>>>>> fashion, despite some politician's promises to cut the price in half:
>>>>> the
>>>>> break even point on the costs of extraction & refinement for a good
>>>>> chunk
>>>>> of current oil field supply is ~$55/bbl. So if prices dip below
>>>>> breakeven, they'll stop pumping instead of actively losing money.
>>>>
>>>> And yet I know of no case were a gold mine was shut down because the price
>>>> of gold was too low.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Because the price of gold has always been higher than the cost of
>>> extraction.
>>
>> Exactly..
>
> The price of oil, not so much.

Speaking of oil, I happened to read an article last night on the 1970s
oil crisis and they had a really interesting graphic in the article.

I actually scanned it, so be able to share. Here's the link:

<http://photo-hh.com/temp/gas_prices.pdf>

What's interesting about it is that it has normalized historical gas
prices to a 2023 dollar, so that we have perspective on relative costs:

Take a look at what the price of gas was in 1982:
yes, its equivalent to paying $4.50/gallon today.

-hh

-hh wrote:
> Personally, I can remember going on a tour of a closed gold mine in
> South Dakota...

It's a crying damned shame they ever let you back out Huntzy-traitor.
--
⛨ 🥐🥖🗼🤪

"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 14:27:21 -0500, "Scout"
> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:rv3bfjt7rejvq2vptjmntt4er08l13njiu@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 26 Sep 2024 09:47:14 -0500, "Scout" wrote:
>>>>"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 09:33:31 -0500, "Scout" wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>>>>Meanwhile, the reality of economic is that corporations don't pay
>>>>>>taxes,
>>>>>>they merely collect them and pass them along.
>>>>>
>>>>> So we shouldn't tax businesses at all? Should we only tax consumers
>>>>> directly?
>>>>
>>>>Well, what benefit do you see from corporate taxes?
>>
>>I accept your answer as 'none'
>
> Then you would be mistaken.

No response is an answer of 'none'

Further this is the end of ANY answer from Swill.. seems like suddenly he
doesn't want to have a discussion anymore.

>>> What benefit do you see from personal taxes?
>>
>>Pays for the necessary functions of government... and sadly a lot of
>>totally
>>unnecessary functions.
>>

See, that's how you answer a question.. And seems you have absolutely
nothing to say in response to my answer.

>>>>>>Dress it up however you like but the bottom line is they WILL maintain
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>particular percentage of gross profit as their net profit.. Which is
>>>>>>why
>>>>>>corporations always announce record profits after a tax hike on
>>>>>>corporations.
>>>>>
>>>>> But Trump's tariffs are ok because the corporations will pay them out
>>>>> of
>>>>> their profits.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, but not for the reason you're imply.
>>>
>>> I was being sarcastic. The tariff's are nothing more than a tax
>>> increase
>>> on
>>> Americans that will affect middle and lower class families
>>> disproportionately.
>>
>>Agreed, but as noted it tends, not I said tends, to encourage or
>>discourage
>>international trade into/out of the country. That can be of economic
>>benefits depending on the directionality of the net trade and the products
>>in that trade.
>>

<crickets>

>>
>>>
>>>>The actual tariff will still end
>>>>up being paid by the consumers that chose to pay the higher price, but
>>>>that's their choice to do so, or not do so.
>>>
>>> Yes, they can choose not to eat, wear clothes or buy tires.
>>
>>Only if they are foreign made, or foreign materials. Then they tends
>>towards
>>buying domestic which is better for our own economy.
>>

<crickets>

>>
>>> Take your head out of your ass, dude.
>>
>>It is, you mistake the way they are currently taxing with the way it
>>should
>>be done. Today, it's about getting the government more money rather than
>>what is best for the nation.
>>
>>Why because they get a say in how that money is used and often end up
>>padding their own pockets in the process. How else do you think a freshman
>>Senator becomes a millionaire within an average of their first 2 years in
>>office?
>>
>>It certainly isn't from their official pay.
>>

<crickets>

>>>>What it does is increase or decrease the cost of import/exports thus
>>>>helping
>>>>to govern international trade.
>>>
>>> What it does is drive inflation and increase the tax burden on working
>>> people.
>>
>>It can do that as well. Just as almost anything can be misused to cause
>>harm. Which is why I think the power to change taxation should be removed
>>from government.
>>

<crickets>

>>>>If foreign products are taxed on import they
>>>>become less competitive and the jobs and wealth tend to stay in the US.
>>>
>>> And what about the tariffs other nations charge or our goods thus
>>> reducing
>>> our
>>> exports and costing us jobs, not to mention gutting American market
>>> dominance.
>>
>>Yep, it works in both ways.
>>

<crickets>

>>>>Thus
>>>>by using tariffs we can encourage businesses to give more attention to
>>>>the
>>>>US market than the international Market.
>>>
>>> No, actually, you can't. Tariffs only encourage them to go out of
>>> business if
>>> they try to absorb the tariff themselves.
>>
>>Yep, and thus works to make the domestic market or foreign market more
>>attractive thus influencing international trade.. hopefully in a manner
>>favorable for your country.
>>
>>>
>>> Again, you keep forgetting that other nations will hit US with tariffs.
>>
>>Yep, and thus we have to consider who, how, much and their reactions.
>>

<crickets>

>>> Remember that after Trump's first round of Chinese tariffs, they put a
>>> tariff on
>>> US soybeans. That tariff reduced soybean exports enough that the
>>> administration
>>> had to buy the farmers' surplus to keep them from bankrupting and to
>>> salvage
>>> their votes. That tariff situation is a big chunk of why Trump's lead
>>> in
>>> Iowa
>>> is only 4 points.
>>
>>Yep, which is why you shouldn't make large and sweeping policy changes
>>like
>>that until you know what the reaction is going to be.
>>

<crickets>

>>>
>>>>Right now we have net $1 Trillion dollars a year flowing out of our
>>>>economy
>>>>into the economies of other countries. That is the current trade
>>>>imbalance
>>>>we have. The wealth of the nation is flowing out of this country due to
>>>>this
>>>>trade imbalance. Imagine what a Trillion dollars of jobs would look
>>>>like....
>>>>then add in another Trillion dollars of jobs next year.. and the year
>>>>after
>>>>that...
>>>
>>> This is perfectly in accordance with our role as the sole source of the
>>> globe's
>>> most popular trading currency.
>>
>>Currently, but our role in that is coming under more and more pressure
>>each
>>year.
>>After all, as the government devalues the dollar.. it's not nearly as
>>attractive as it once was, and as the world sees the handwriting on the
>>wall, they don't want to be the last person holding it when our economic
>>ship goes over the falls.
>>

<crickets>

>> That position also advantages us since we
>>> control that money supply. Access to American markets is a powerful
>>> diplomatic
>>> tool.
>>
>>Yep, and slowly we have been eroding that faith and once the world starts
>>to
>>cut loss of that.. it's going to go quick and all the promises in the
>>world
>>won't matter then.
>>
>>

<crickets>

>>>>So do tariffs server a purpose? Absolutely, but make no mistake they are
>>>>ultimately paid by the consumer of the tariffed products. Corporations
>>>>are
>>>>just the middlemen.
>>>
>>> Precisely. It's a regressive tax hike on the middle class. Just the
>>> thing to
>>> subsidize tax cuts on the wealthy and corporations.
>>
>>Well, since their taxes end up being collected from us anyway.. why not?
>>
>>Now we could make the wealthy pay if we really wanted to, but the wealthy
>>pay enough to politicians so they don't really do it. Oh, they say they
>>are,
>>and they may actually impose it, but they always leave escape routes that
>>the rich can take advantage of to evade the tax. Many most people could
>>use
>>if they only knew of them and used them.
>>

On Fri, 27 Sep 2024 12:32:25 -0500, "Scout" wrote:

>Further this is the end of ANY answer from Swill.. seems like suddenly he
>doesn't want to have a discussion anymore.

I don't hold discussions with persons who lie about my responses.

I already responded to you, you lied and claimed I didn't.

Ok, I'll make you right by not responding anymore.

--

Today's two reasons to not vote for Trump in 39 days.

15) Recommended Fake COVID cures like injecting disinfectant or
hydroxychloroquine. After the injection comments, poison centers
received a spike in calls.

16) Trump presided over a *net* loss of 2.9 million jobs.
That's the worst performance of any President, ever.

Governor Swill wrote:
> I'll make you right by not responding anymore.
>
> --

Please stfu and choose your preferred cell # now, little man
Rudey/Jonathan Ball.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party and a few dozen other socks wrote:

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Oh poor me I got shot at ...

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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.