vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:

> Seems like there isn't much Linux advocacy going on.[*]
>
> Maybe that's because, Linux just works,
>

Yay! That's been true of Mac OS for many years;
congrats to the Linux world for finally catching on.

>
> so much so that it's even a bit boring.
>

A 'puter is supposed to be a tool to do a job,
the underpinnings should ideally be unnoticeable.

IMO 'puter hobbyists are mostly deviants.

--
^Ï^. Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS, Pro Crastinator

My pet rock Gordon just is.

snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>
>> Seems like there isn't much Linux advocacy going on.[*]
>>
>> Maybe that's because, Linux just works,
>
>Yay! That's been true of Mac OS for many years;
>congrats to the Linux world for finally catching on.

Then go to CSMA and waste your breath praising that overpriced
crapware.

>> so much so that it's even a bit boring.
>
>A 'puter is supposed to be a tool to do a job,
>the underpinnings should ideally be unnoticeable.
>
>IMO 'puter hobbyists are mostly deviants.

Retarded.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 14:20:02 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:

>
> A 'puter is supposed to be a tool to do a job,
> the underpinnings should ideally be unnoticeable.
>

Incorrect, Apple fathead.

A computer is a "general purpose machine," which means
that it doesn't do anything but it embodies the potential
to do everything.

(Apple shitheads don't venture within 100 miles of Comp Sci.)

However, in order to do something, a computer must be
"programmed," and thus the "underpinnings" are of paramount
importance.

In contrast, Apple devices, and Apple users, are mere appliances.
They are set to do a single task, however convoluted that task
may appear.

But the Apple user, like YOU, is a total lackey.

He will, without question, hand over his BIG $BUCKS to Apple
and associates for the brief luxury of having a "turn key"
system.

Don't miss your subscription payment, sucker, or else you
will be dead in the fucking water.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

What fools these Appleheads be.

--
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> wrote:
>On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 14:20:02 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:
>
>> A 'puter is supposed to be a tool to do a job,
>> the underpinnings should ideally be unnoticeable.
>
>Incorrect, Apple fathead.
>
>A computer is a "general purpose machine," which means
>that it doesn't do anything but it embodies the potential
>to do everything.
>
>(Apple shitheads don't venture within 100 miles of Comp Sci.)
>
>However, in order to do something, a computer must be
>"programmed," and thus the "underpinnings" are of paramount
>importance.
>
>In contrast, Apple devices, and Apple users, are mere appliances.
>They are set to do a single task, however convoluted that task
>may appear.
>
>But the Apple user, like YOU, is a total lackey.
>
>He will, without question, hand over his BIG $BUCKS to Apple
>and associates for the brief luxury of having a "turn key"
>system.
>
>Don't miss your subscription payment, sucker, or else you
>will be dead in the fucking water.
>
>Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
>
>What fools these Appleheads be.

The cult of Steve Jobs.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 14:20:02 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:

> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>
>> Maybe that's because, Linux just works,
>>
> Yay! That's been true of Mac OS for many years ...

At the cost of limiting what you can actually get to “work”.

Apple has not been one for offering its users lots of options. And it is
gradually and slowly turning macOS into IOS, locking it down even further.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 14:20:02 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:
>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe that's because, Linux just works,
>>>
>> Yay! That's been true of Mac OS for many years ...
>
>At the cost of limiting what you can actually get to “work”.
>
>Apple has not been one for offering its users lots of options. And it is
>gradually and slowly turning macOS into IOS, locking it down even further.

macOS is cool because of its Unix side, the Apple-specific stuff is
laughable. Then again, I did actually prefer M$ Office for Mac, to
the Winblows version (there was a free trial for the Mac version, I
didn't actually buy it, of course). So perhaps if I were using a Mac,
which I won't, there'd be some use of its GUI, though very limited.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 17:31:35 -0400, Joel wrote:

> macOS is cool because of its Unix side ...

True story: the one time I actually begged my client to let me use a
Windows machine.

I had set up these Linux servers. At that point I hadn’t got my first
laptop, the Eee 701 PC, otherwise I would have used it. I did editing of
files on the Linux boxes using Emacs, normally directly from their
consoles, but in this case it wasn’t convenient to do this. The client had
several Windows machines and Macs running OS X. I tried using SSH on one
of the Macs, and got into Emacs on the Linux box. Every time I hit CTRL-
SPACE to start a selection, it would pop up Searchlight on the Mac, I
think it was. There seemed to be no way to turn this off, and it was
driving me mad.

So eventually I gave up and used Putty (I think it was) on a Windows
machine. And got the job done.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

>> macOS is cool because of its Unix side ...
>
>True story: the one time I actually begged my client to let me use a
>Windows machine.
>
>I had set up these Linux servers. At that point I hadn’t got my first
>laptop, the Eee 701 PC, otherwise I would have used it. I did editing of
>files on the Linux boxes using Emacs, normally directly from their
>consoles, but in this case it wasn’t convenient to do this. The client had
>several Windows machines and Macs running OS X. I tried using SSH on one
>of the Macs, and got into Emacs on the Linux box. Every time I hit CTRL-
>SPACE to start a selection, it would pop up Searchlight on the Mac, I
>think it was. There seemed to be no way to turn this off, and it was
>driving me mad.
>
>So eventually I gave up and used Putty (I think it was) on a Windows
>machine. And got the job done.

Well, I can't say I'm surprised. Apple is just a laughable resource,
overpriced, overrated, literally a cult of right-brained people. As
bloated as M$ Winblows is, at least it's not just some funky crapware
like macOS (save for the kernel and Darwin).

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 14:20:02 +0100, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote in
<1r0e7hp.bb6yp5z6dhnaN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>:

> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>
>> Seems like there isn't much Linux advocacy going on.[*]
>>
>> Maybe that's because, Linux just works,
>>
>
> Yay! That's been true of Mac OS for many years;
> congrats to the Linux world for finally catching on.
>

We have a Mac Studio downstairs -- long story, but the
Missus prefers her Mac. It's slower than my workstation though...
and I just bought her an ITX-based machine to run Linux for
various uses.

I put Cairo-dock on it, so she has the "Mac experience".

>>
>> so much so that it's even a bit boring.
>>
>
> A 'puter is supposed to be a tool to do a job,
> the underpinnings should ideally be unnoticeable.

Agreed, but someone has to maintain those underpinnings.

Every OS needs a guru from time to time -- that might be
you for your Mac, or someone else for grandma's Win11 machine.

>
> IMO 'puter hobbyists are mostly deviants.

Speak for yourself, deviant. ;)

--
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
OS: Linux 6.11.0 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"Oxymoron: Restless Sleep."

On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 12:00:12 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
<3fo5fj5o8mikejjqaa1errs2ev4tff9078@4ax.com>:

> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>>vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Seems like there isn't much Linux advocacy going on.[*]
>>>
>>> Maybe that's because, Linux just works,
>>
>>Yay! That's been true of Mac OS for many years;
>>congrats to the Linux world for finally catching on.
>
>
> Then go to CSMA and waste your breath praising that overpriced
> crapware.
>
>
>>> so much so that it's even a bit boring.
>>
>>A 'puter is supposed to be a tool to do a job,
>>the underpinnings should ideally be unnoticeable.
>>
>>IMO 'puter hobbyists are mostly deviants.
>
>
> Retarded.

Yes, you are.

Sn!pe is proper. You might not agree with him all
the time (I don't) but he's not a bad correspondent.

--
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
OS: Linux 6.11.0 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"Death is natures way of telling you to slow down."

vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 12:00:12 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
><3fo5fj5o8mikejjqaa1errs2ev4tff9078@4ax.com>:
>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>>>vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Seems like there isn't much Linux advocacy going on.[*]
>>>>
>>>> Maybe that's because, Linux just works,
>>>
>>>Yay! That's been true of Mac OS for many years;
>>>congrats to the Linux world for finally catching on.
>>
>> Then go to CSMA and waste your breath praising that overpriced
>> crapware.
>>
>>>> so much so that it's even a bit boring.
>>>
>>>A 'puter is supposed to be a tool to do a job,
>>>the underpinnings should ideally be unnoticeable.
>>>
>>>IMO 'puter hobbyists are mostly deviants.
>>
>> Retarded.
>
>Yes, you are.
>
>Sn!pe is proper. You might not agree with him all
>the time (I don't) but he's not a bad correspondent.

Oh shut the fuck up, white boy, you're the queerest piece of shit,
defending the MacTard. Why are you running Linux, then, fool, go buy
an iMac and an iPhone and an iWatch and iEveryFuckingThing, you
retarded monkey-ass goofball. Fuck off.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 23:53:17 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
<7527fjhc6dt08enohddah532ir489og0l8@4ax.com>:

> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 12:00:12 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
>><3fo5fj5o8mikejjqaa1errs2ev4tff9078@4ax.com>:
>>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>>>>vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Seems like there isn't much Linux advocacy going on.[*]
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe that's because, Linux just works,
>>>>
>>>>Yay! That's been true of Mac OS for many years;
>>>>congrats to the Linux world for finally catching on.
>>>
>>> Then go to CSMA and waste your breath praising that overpriced
>>> crapware.
>>>
>>>>> so much so that it's even a bit boring.
>>>>
>>>>A 'puter is supposed to be a tool to do a job,
>>>>the underpinnings should ideally be unnoticeable.
>>>>
>>>>IMO 'puter hobbyists are mostly deviants.
>>>
>>> Retarded.
>>
>>Yes, you are.
>>
>>Sn!pe is proper. You might not agree with him all
>>the time (I don't) but he's not a bad correspondent.
>
>
> Oh shut the fuck up, white boy, you're the queerest piece of shit,
> defending the MacTard. Why are you running Linux, then, fool, go buy
> an iMac and an iPhone and an iWatch and iEveryFuckingThing, you
> retarded monkey-ass goofball. Fuck off.

You on more drugs tonight?

--
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
OS: Linux 6.11.0 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"Bored? Drive the speed limit... in your garage."

On 9/24/2024 11:53 PM, Joel wrote:
> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:

>> Sn!pe is proper. You might not agree with him all
>> the time (I don't) but he's not a bad correspondent.
>
>
> Oh shut the fuck up, white boy, you're the queerest piece of shit,
> defending the MacTard. Why are you running Linux, then, fool, go buy
> an iMac and an iPhone and an iWatch and iEveryFuckingThing, you
> retarded monkey-ass goofball. Fuck off.

Joel's stumbling around drunk again.

On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 00:27:20 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 9/24/2024 11:53 PM, Joel wrote:
>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>
>>> Sn!pe is proper. You might not agree with him all the time (I don't)
>>> but he's not a bad correspondent.
>>
>>
>> Oh shut the fuck up, white boy, you're the queerest piece of shit,
>> defending the MacTard. Why are you running Linux, then, fool, go buy
>> an iMac and an iPhone and an iWatch and iEveryFuckingThing, you
>> retarded monkey-ass goofball. Fuck off.
>
>
> Joel's stumbling around drunk again.

That Full Throttle is mean stuff...

vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 23:53:17 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
><7527fjhc6dt08enohddah532ir489og0l8@4ax.com>:
>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>>On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 12:00:12 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
>>><3fo5fj5o8mikejjqaa1errs2ev4tff9078@4ax.com>:
>>>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>A 'puter is supposed to be a tool to do a job,
>>>>>the underpinnings should ideally be unnoticeable.
>>>>>
>>>>>IMO 'puter hobbyists are mostly deviants.
>>>>
>>>> Retarded.
>>>
>>>Yes, you are.
>>>
>>>Sn!pe is proper. You might not agree with him all
>>>the time (I don't) but he's not a bad correspondent.
>>
>> Oh shut the fuck up, white boy, you're the queerest piece of shit,
>> defending the MacTard. Why are you running Linux, then, fool, go buy
>> an iMac and an iPhone and an iWatch and iEveryFuckingThing, you
>> retarded monkey-ass goofball. Fuck off.
>
>You on more drugs tonight?

You not? I mean, shit, I was replying to someone who was talking crap
to you, and you took the opportunity to attack me and defend them,
just weird. And then when I flame you in response, you throw out the
drug trope. Just sad, how Caucasians, who aren't real n----s (yes, we
can be such, if we're not a dick), dwell in hell by default. It's why
there's a theory of black supremacy, superficially it would seem
backward, but in truth, blacks are God-like and whites are Satan-like.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 00:27:20 -0400, DFS wrote:
>> On 9/24/2024 11:53 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>
>>>> Sn!pe is proper. You might not agree with him all the time (I don't)
>>>> but he's not a bad correspondent.
>>>
>>> Oh shut the fuck up, white boy, you're the queerest piece of shit,
>>> defending the MacTard. Why are you running Linux, then, fool, go buy
>>> an iMac and an iPhone and an iWatch and iEveryFuckingThing, you
>>> retarded monkey-ass goofball. Fuck off.
>>
>> Joel's stumbling around drunk again.
>
>That Full Throttle is mean stuff...

I did buy a True Blue one, today, 7-Eleven was out of the original,
but the gas station had the Blue. Meth-caffeine doesn't make me
crazy, though, I have a high tolerance to substances.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>On 9/24/2024 11:53 PM, Joel wrote:
>> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>
>>> Sn!pe is proper. You might not agree with him all
>>> the time (I don't) but he's not a bad correspondent.
>>
>> Oh shut the fuck up, white boy, you're the queerest piece of shit,
>> defending the MacTard. Why are you running Linux, then, fool, go buy
>> an iMac and an iPhone and an iWatch and iEveryFuckingThing, you
>> retarded monkey-ass goofball. Fuck off.
>
>Joel's stumbling around drunk again.

I actually thought about getting drunk tonight, but thought better of
it. I bought a second pack of Diet Pepsi, instead, on that outing.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 9/24/2024 7:52 PM, Joel wrote:

> Apple is just a laughable resource,
> overpriced, overrated, literally a cult of right-brained people. As
> bloated as M$ Winblows is, at least it's not just some funky crapware
> like macOS (save for the kernel and Darwin).

For the speed and functionality and software and resale value, I don't
think the base Macs and iMacs and Mac Minis are overpriced. But they
kill you on the upgrades. And some (most?) of their hardware isn't even
user-upgradeable, so you DO have to pay out the ass upfront to get
decent memory and storage.

It's not for the broke, drunk, drugged-up Linux dregs like yourself and
D'Oliveiro and Feeb.

And at least 2 former cola Linux advocates - Tattoo Vampire and
SMelzzzzz - have abandoned Linux and embraced Apple. That tells you a
lot about how good Apple stuff is.

I'm not averse to a mini system, but I prefer a med-big tower case I can
swap parts in and out of, and the amt of great software available for
Windows dwarfs that available for Mac and Linux.

Windows FTFW!
Then Mac
Then paper and pencil and rubber eraser
Then Linux

On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 01:27:47 -0400, DFS wrote:

> And at least 2 former cola Linux advocates - Tattoo Vampire and
> SMelzzzzz - have abandoned Linux and embraced Apple. That tells you a
> lot about how good Apple stuff is.

Quality of advocates beats quantity any time.

Ken Thompson, one of the original Bell Labs crew that created Unix, now
80 years old, was asked last year what OS he uses, and he replied
<https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/unix-pioneer-ken-thompson-announces-hes-switching-from-mac-to-linux.88451/>:

I have, for most of my life — because I was sort of born into it —
run Apple.

Now recently, meaning within the last five years, I've become more
and more depressed, and what Apple is doing to something that
should allow you to work is just atrocious. But they are taking a
lot of space and time to do it, so it's okay.

And I have come, within the last month or two, to say, even though
I've invested, you know, a zillion years in Apple — I'm throwing
it away. And I'm going to Linux. To Raspbian in particular.

Think about that: one of the original crew that created Unix does not
see Apple’s current offering as a worthy successor to his pioneering
work: he prefers Linux instead.

On 25 Sep 2024 02:55:41 GMT, vallor wrote:

>> A 'puter is supposed to be a tool to do a job,
>> the underpinnings should ideally be unnoticeable.
>
> Agreed, but someone has to maintain those underpinnings.

Why Open Source? Most computer users have no interest in the source code.

But then again, why do cars have bonnets that can be opened? Most people
have no interest at looking at the engines or other inner workings of
their cars. So why make it easy to do so?

The reason is the same in both cases: so that you don’t have to go back to
the original vendor if/when you have trouble: you can go to your choice of
expert to help you with repair/maintenance when you need it. That expert
does not need special permission from the original vendor to do their
work: once the original product vendor sells you the product, they no
longer have control of it: you do.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>> Apple is just a laughable resource,
>> overpriced, overrated, literally a cult of right-brained people. As
>> bloated as M$ Winblows is, at least it's not just some funky crapware
>> like macOS (save for the kernel and Darwin).
>
>For the speed and functionality and software and resale value, I don't
>think the base Macs and iMacs and Mac Minis are overpriced. But they
>kill you on the upgrades. And some (most?) of their hardware isn't even
>user-upgradeable, so you DO have to pay out the ass upfront to get
>decent memory and storage.
>
>It's not for the broke, drunk, drugged-up Linux dregs like yourself and
>D'Oliveiro and Feeb.
>
>And at least 2 former cola Linux advocates - Tattoo Vampire and
>SMelzzzzz - have abandoned Linux and embraced Apple. That tells you a
>lot about how good Apple stuff is.
>
>I'm not averse to a mini system, but I prefer a med-big tower case I can
>swap parts in and out of, and the amt of great software available for
>Windows dwarfs that available for Mac and Linux.
>
>Windows FTFW!
>Then Mac
>Then paper and pencil and rubber eraser
>Then Linux

And yet I'm accomplishing everything with openSUSE. It's almost like
commercial OSes' advantages are an illusion, but no, I get it, some
people aren't like me, they have to have M$ or Apple hold their hands.
Well, I'm a computer nerd, openSUSE to me is comfortable, they can
keep their Copilot bullshit.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 01:27:47 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> And at least 2 former cola Linux advocates - Tattoo Vampire and
>> SMelzzzzz - have abandoned Linux and embraced Apple. That tells you a
>> lot about how good Apple stuff is.
>
>Quality of advocates beats quantity any time.
>
>Ken Thompson, one of the original Bell Labs crew that created Unix, now
>80 years old, was asked last year what OS he uses, and he replied
><https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/unix-pioneer-ken-thompson-announces-hes-switching-from-mac-to-linux.88451/>:
>
> I have, for most of my life — because I was sort of born into it —
> run Apple.
>
> Now recently, meaning within the last five years, I've become more
> and more depressed, and what Apple is doing to something that
> should allow you to work is just atrocious. But they are taking a
> lot of space and time to do it, so it's okay.
>
> And I have come, within the last month or two, to say, even though
> I've invested, you know, a zillion years in Apple — I'm throwing
> it away. And I'm going to Linux. To Raspbian in particular.
>
>Think about that: one of the original crew that created Unix does not
>see Apple’s current offering as a worthy successor to his pioneering
>work: he prefers Linux instead.

Yup, DFS is like the TERFs I sometimes encounter on Twitter/X, has so
much to say but is fundamentally wrong, standing on shaky ground.
macOS does OK as a Unix flavor, but it's more straightforward to just
use Unix itself, which GNU/Linux is the modern standard of. If we
were to analogize OSes to major world figures, I'd be Linux, DJT would
be Windows, and Elon Musk would be macOS. It's fair to say, I'd vote
for Trump before I'd vote for Musk.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 02:16:36 -0400, Joel wrote:

> And yet I'm accomplishing everything with openSUSE. It's almost like
> commercial OSes' advantages are an illusion ...

But openSUSE *is* commercial.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 02:16:36 -0400, Joel wrote:
>
>> And yet I'm accomplishing everything with openSUSE. It's almost like
>> commercial OSes' advantages are an illusion ...
>
>But openSUSE *is* commercial.

Vaguely, perhaps, but it didn't cost money. You're just obsessing
over the word.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 05:35:31 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 01:27:47 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> And at least 2 former cola Linux advocates - Tattoo Vampire and
>> SMelzzzzz - have abandoned Linux and embraced Apple. That tells you a
>> lot about how good Apple stuff is.
>
> Quality of advocates beats quantity any time.
>
> Ken Thompson, one of the original Bell Labs crew that created Unix, now
> 80 years old, was asked last year what OS he uses, and he replied
> <https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/unix-pioneer-ken-thompson-announces-
hes-switching-from-mac-to-linux.88451/>:
>
> I have, for most of my life — because I was sort of born into it —
> run Apple.

The Jesuits advocated getting them while they're young. Nobody ever
wanted to pay me to develop Apple software so I've never used an Apple
computer. The embedded work I did was on Intel or Zilog which naturally
led to CP/M and not Apple II.

In later years it was an aversion to walled gardens. To paraphrase Lennon,
Apple users think they're so clever, classless, and free but they're still
fucking peasants as far as I can see and love their little feudal domain.