https://nypost.com/2022/06/18/detransitioned-teens-explain-why-they-
regret-changing-genders/

�I was failed by the system. I literally lost organs.�

When Chloe was 12 years old, she decided she was transgender. At 13, she
came out to her parents. That same year, she was put on puberty blockers
and prescribed testosterone. At 15, she underwent a double mastectomy.
Less than a year later, she realized she�d made a mistake � all by the
time she was 16 years old.

Now 17, Chloe is one of a growing cohort called �detransitioners� � those
who seek to reverse a gender transition, often after realizing they
actually do identify with their biological sex. Tragically, many will
struggle for the rest of their lives with the irreversible medical
consequences of a decision they made as minors.

�I can�t stay quiet,� said Chloe. �I need to do something about this and
to share my own cautionary tale.�

In recent years, the number of children experiencing gender dysphoria in
the West has skyrocketed. Exact figures are difficult to come by, but,
between 2009 and 2019, children being referred for transitioning treatment
in the United Kingdom increased 1,000% among biological males and 4,400%
among biological females. Meanwhile, the number of young people
identifying as transgender in the US has almost doubled since 2017,
according to a new Centers for Disease Control & Prevention report.

Historically, transitioning from male to female was vastly more common,
with this cohort typically experiencing persistent gender dysphoria from a
very young age. Recently, however, the status quo has reversed, and
female-to-male transitions have become the overwhelming majority.

Dr. Lisa Littman, a former professor of Behavioral and Social Sciences at
Brown University, coined the term �rapid onset gender dysphoria� to
describe this subset of transgender youth, typically biological females
who become suddenly dysphoric during or shortly after puberty. Littman
believes this may be due to adolescent girls� susceptibility to peer
influence on social media.

Helena Kerschner, a 23-year-old detransitioner from Cincinnati, Ohio, who
was born a biological female, first felt gender dysphoric at age 14. She
says Tumblr sites filled with transgender activist content spurred her
transition.

�I was going through a period where I was just really isolated at school,
so I turned to the Internet,� she recalled. In her real life, Kerschner
had a falling out with friends at school; online however, she found a
community that welcomed her. �My dysphoria was definitely triggered by
this online community. I never thought about my gender or had a problem
with being a girl before going on Tumblr.�

�There was a lot of negativity around being a cis, heterosexual, white
girl, and I took those messages really, really personally.�
Helena Kerschner, on how the online trans community made her feel
pressured to change gender
She said she felt political pressure to transition, too. �The community
was very social justice-y. There was a lot of negativity around being a
cis, heterosexual, white girl, and I took those messages really, really
personally.�

Chloe Cole, a 17-year-old student in California, had a similar experience
when she joined Instagram at 11. �I started being exposed to a lot of LGBT
content and activism,� she said. �I saw how trans people online got an
overwhelming amount of support, and the amount of praise they were getting
really spoke to me because, at the time, I didn�t really have a lot of
friends of my own.�

Experts worry that many young people seeking to transition are doing so
without a proper mental-health evaluation. Among them is Dr. Erica
Anderson, a clinical psychologist specializing in gender, sexuality and
identity. A transgender woman herself, Anderson has helped hundreds of
young people navigate the transition journey over the past 30 years.
Anderson supports the methodical, milestone-filled process lasting
anywhere from a few months to several years to undergo transition. Today,
however, she�s worried that some young people are being medicalized
without the proper restraint or oversight.

�I�m concerned that the rise of detransitioners is reflective of some
young people who have progressed through their gender journey very, very
quickly,� she said. She worries that some doctors may be defaulting to
medicalization as a remedy for other personal or mental-health factors.
�When other issues important to a child are not fully addressed [before
transition], then medical professionals are failing children.�

�I�m concerned that the rise of detransitioners is reflective of some
young people who have progressed through their gender journey very, very
quickly.�
Dr. Erica Anderson, a clinical psychologist specializing in gender,
sexuality and identity, who is herself transgender.
According to an online survey of detransitioners conducted by Dr. Lisa
Littman last year, 40% said their gender dysphoria was caused by a mental-
health condition and 62% felt medical professionals did not investigate
whether trauma was a factor in their transition decisions.

�My dysphoria collided with my general depression issues and body image
issues,� Helena recalled. �I just came to the conclusion that I was born
in the wrong body and that all my problems in life would be solved if I
transitioned.�

Chloe had a similar experience. �Because my body didn�t match beauty
ideals, I started to wonder if there was something wrong with me. I
thought I wasn�t pretty enough to be a girl, so I�d be better off as a
boy. Deep inside, I wanted to be pretty all along, but that�s something I
kept suppressed.�

She agrees with Dr. Anderson that more psychological evaluation is needed
to determine whether underlying mental health issues might be influencing
the desire to transition.

�More attention needs to be paid to psychotherapy,� Chloe said. �We�re
immediately jumping into irreversible medical treatments when we could be
focusing on empowering these children to not hate their bodies.�

� � �

Until 2019, Marcus Evans was the Clinical Director of Adult and Adolescent
Services at the Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust, a publicly funded mental-
health center in the UK where many youth seek treatment for gender
dysphoria. But he resigned three years ago over what he viewed as the
unnecessary medicalization of dysphoric adolescents.

�I saw children being fast-tracked onto medical solutions for
psychological problems, and when kids get on the medical conveyor belt,
they don�t get off,� Evans said. �But the politicization of the issue was
shutting down proper clinical rigor. That meant quite vulnerable kids were
in danger of being put on a medical path for treatment that they may well
regret.�

Indeed, transitions are getting younger and hastier. Puberty blockers are
commonly administered at the first sign of development to children as
young as 9, according to the World Professional Association for
Transgender Health. Testosterone and estrogen injections are frequently
prescribed at age 13 or 14, despite the Endocrine Society�s recommendation
of 16. And serious surgeries like mastectomies are sometimes performed on
children as young as 13.

�Quite vulnerable kids were in danger of being put on a medical path for
treatment that they may well regret.�
Marcus Evans, former Clinical Director of Adult and Adolescent Services
at the Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust
Although medical intervention for minors requires parental consent, many
mothers and fathers approve surgery and hormone therapy at the
recommendation of affirming medical professionals or even out of fear
their child might self-harm if denied treatment.

�It�s very hard for parents to know exactly how to evaluate their own
kids, and they rely quite heavily on experts to tell them,� said Jane
Wheeler, a former regulatory health-care attorney who founded Rethink
Identity Medicine Ethics, a non-profit that promotes ethical, evidence-
based care and treatment for dysphoric children. �There�s obviously a lot
of concern about the capacity for the adolescent or minor to fully
appreciate what medicalization really means.�

Medical professionals typically follow the affirmative-care model, which
is supported by the American Psychological Association, validating a
patient�s expressed gender identity regardless of their age. As a result,
detransitioners frequently report that getting prescriptions is a breeze.
A total of 55% said their medical evaluations felt inadequate, according
to Dr. Littman�s survey.

In Helena�s case, all it took to get a testosterone prescription was one
trip to Planned Parenthood when she was 18. She said she was given four
times the typical starting dose by a nurse practitioner in less than an
hour, without ever seeing a doctor.

Chloe said she was fast-tracked through her entire transition � from
blockers to a mastectomy � in just two years, with parental consent. The
only pushback she said she encountered came from the first endocrinologist
she saw, who agreed to prescribe her puberty blockers but not testosterone
when she was 13. But she said she went to another doctor who gave her the
prescription with no trouble.

"Leroy N. Soetoro" <democrat-insurrection@mail.house.gov> wrote:

>https://nypost.com/2022/06/18/detransitioned-teens-explain-why-they-
>regret-changing-genders/

Spoiler alert, this is hysterical cherry-picking of people who
detransitioned, it's not related to the meaningful data on
transitions' success.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Oh, the humanity! Will no one think of the poor customers?

[Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:

>"Leroy N. Soetoro" <democrat-insurrection@mail.house.gov> wrote:
>
>>https://nypost.com/2022/06/18/detransitioned-teens-explain-why-they-
>>regret-changing-genders/
>
>
>Spoiler alert, this is hysterical cherry-picking of people who
>detransitioned, it's not related to the meaningful data on
>transitions' success.

It illustrates exactly why we should outlaw this hideous process and
imprison any doctors and nurses who perform it.

For life.

>https://nypost.com/2022/06/18/detransitioned-teens-explain-why-they-
>regret-changing-genders/

Trump's daughter had this surgery.

They call it 'Barron' now.

The most woke of 'em all.

Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
wrote:
>[Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>"Leroy N. Soetoro" <democrat-insurrection@mail.house.gov> wrote:
>>
>>>https://nypost.com/2022/06/18/detransitioned-teens-explain-why-they-
>>>regret-changing-genders/
>>
>>Spoiler alert, this is hysterical cherry-picking of people who
>>detransitioned, it's not related to the meaningful data on
>>transitions' success.
>
>It illustrates exactly why we should outlaw this hideous process and
>imprison any doctors and nurses who perform it.
>
>For life.

That's authoritarian.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

"Leroy N. Soetoro" <democrat-insurrection@mail.house.gov> wrote in message
news:lnsB1F1B9F5630EB6F089P2473@0.0.0.1...
> https://nypost.com/2022/06/18/detransitioned-teens-explain-why-they-
> regret-changing-genders/
>
> "I was failed by the system. I literally lost organs."

You got exactly what you demanded....

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3jhoej9o8691jk40vfkdh21kn06j388j1l@4ax.com...
> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>[Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>"Leroy N. Soetoro" <democrat-insurrection@mail.house.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>>>https://nypost.com/2022/06/18/detransitioned-teens-explain-why-they-
>>>>regret-changing-genders/
>>>
>>>Spoiler alert, this is hysterical cherry-picking of people who
>>>detransitioned, it's not related to the meaningful data on
>>>transitions' success.
>>
>>It illustrates exactly why we should outlaw this hideous process and
>>imprison any doctors and nurses who perform it.
>>
>>For life.
>
>
> That's authoritarian.

And yet you have no problems with authority REQUIRING they do so?

If one is authoritarianism.. then so is the other.

[Default] "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> typed:

>
>
>"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:3jhoej9o8691jk40vfkdh21kn06j388j1l@4ax.com...
>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>[Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>"Leroy N. Soetoro" <democrat-insurrection@mail.house.gov> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>https://nypost.com/2022/06/18/detransitioned-teens-explain-why-they-
>>>>>regret-changing-genders/
>>>>
>>>>Spoiler alert, this is hysterical cherry-picking of people who
>>>>detransitioned, it's not related to the meaningful data on
>>>>transitions' success.
>>>
>>>It illustrates exactly why we should outlaw this hideous process and
>>>imprison any doctors and nurses who perform it.
>>>
>>>For life.
>>
>>
>> That's authoritarian.
>
>And yet you have no problems with authority REQUIRING they do so?
>
>If one is authoritarianism.. then so is the other.

He thinks there should be no authority that stops him from molesting
children.

"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:3jhoej9o8691jk40vfkdh21kn06j388j1l@4ax.com...
>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>[Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>"Leroy N. Soetoro" <democrat-insurrection@mail.house.gov> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>https://nypost.com/2022/06/18/detransitioned-teens-explain-why-they-
>>>>>regret-changing-genders/
>>>>
>>>>Spoiler alert, this is hysterical cherry-picking of people who
>>>>detransitioned, it's not related to the meaningful data on
>>>>transitions' success.
>>>
>>>It illustrates exactly why we should outlaw this hideous process and
>>>imprison any doctors and nurses who perform it.
>>>
>>>For life.
>>
>> That's authoritarian.
>
>And yet you have no problems with authority REQUIRING they do so?
>
>If one is authoritarianism.. then so is the other.

No one can be required to do a job they don't wish to do.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-09-19, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:3jhoej9o8691jk40vfkdh21kn06j388j1l@4ax.com...
>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>[Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>>"Leroy N. Soetoro" <democrat-insurrection@mail.house.gov> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>https://nypost.com/2022/06/18/detransitioned-teens-explain-why-they-
>>>>>>regret-changing-genders/
>>>>>
>>>>>Spoiler alert, this is hysterical cherry-picking of people who
>>>>>detransitioned, it's not related to the meaningful data on
>>>>>transitions' success.
>>>>
>>>>It illustrates exactly why we should outlaw this hideous process and
>>>>imprison any doctors and nurses who perform it.
>>>>
>>>>For life.
>>>
>>> That's authoritarian.
>>
>>And yet you have no problems with authority REQUIRING they do so?
>>
>>If one is authoritarianism.. then so is the other.
>
>
> No one can be required to do a job they don't wish to do.
>
Been to N. Korea lately?
How about China?

--
pothead
Kamala Harris Word Salad Special Of The Day
Served Complete With Venn Diagram Dressing

pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>On 2024-09-19, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:3jhoej9o8691jk40vfkdh21kn06j388j1l@4ax.com...
>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>[Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>>>"Leroy N. Soetoro" <democrat-insurrection@mail.house.gov> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>https://nypost.com/2022/06/18/detransitioned-teens-explain-why-they-
>>>>>>>regret-changing-genders/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Spoiler alert, this is hysterical cherry-picking of people who
>>>>>>detransitioned, it's not related to the meaningful data on
>>>>>>transitions' success.
>>>>>
>>>>>It illustrates exactly why we should outlaw this hideous process and
>>>>>imprison any doctors and nurses who perform it.
>>>>>
>>>>>For life.
>>>>
>>>> That's authoritarian.
>>>
>>>And yet you have no problems with authority REQUIRING they do so?
>>>
>>>If one is authoritarianism.. then so is the other.
>>
>> No one can be required to do a job they don't wish to do.
>>
>Been to N. Korea lately?
>How about China?

I'm not talking about those countries.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 9/19/2024 11:57 AM, Joel wrote:
> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-09-19, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>> "Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:3jhoej9o8691jk40vfkdh21kn06j388j1l@4ax.com...
>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> [Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>>>> "Leroy N. Soetoro" <democrat-insurrection@mail.house.gov> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2022/06/18/detransitioned-teens-explain-why-they-
>>>>>>>> regret-changing-genders/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Spoiler alert, this is hysterical cherry-picking of people who
>>>>>>> detransitioned, it's not related to the meaningful data on
>>>>>>> transitions' success.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It illustrates exactly why we should outlaw this hideous process and
>>>>>> imprison any doctors and nurses who perform it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For life.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's authoritarian.
>>>>
>>>> And yet you have no problems with authority REQUIRING they do so?
>>>>
>>>> If one is authoritarianism.. then so is the other.
>>>
>>> No one can be required to do a job they don't wish to do.
>>>
>> Been to N. Korea lately?
>> How about China?
>
>
> I'm not talking about those countries.

Yeah you're talking about the currently Democrat ruined USA.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:eoqoejprelao7tnol4hmhln095sild95ud@4ax.com...
> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:3jhoej9o8691jk40vfkdh21kn06j388j1l@4ax.com...
>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>[Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>>"Leroy N. Soetoro" <democrat-insurrection@mail.house.gov> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>https://nypost.com/2022/06/18/detransitioned-teens-explain-why-they-
>>>>>>regret-changing-genders/
>>>>>
>>>>>Spoiler alert, this is hysterical cherry-picking of people who
>>>>>detransitioned, it's not related to the meaningful data on
>>>>>transitions' success.
>>>>
>>>>It illustrates exactly why we should outlaw this hideous process and
>>>>imprison any doctors and nurses who perform it.
>>>>
>>>>For life.
>>>
>>> That's authoritarian.
>>
>>And yet you have no problems with authority REQUIRING they do so?
>>
>>If one is authoritarianism.. then so is the other.
>
>
> No one can be required to do a job they don't wish to do.

Better check the law, because you can be thrown in jail for that.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4vsoejdgooggn2eq9605utleva0n54jphl@4ax.com...
> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-09-19, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:3jhoej9o8691jk40vfkdh21kn06j388j1l@4ax.com...
>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>[Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>>>>"Leroy N. Soetoro" <democrat-insurrection@mail.house.gov> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>https://nypost.com/2022/06/18/detransitioned-teens-explain-why-they-
>>>>>>>>regret-changing-genders/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Spoiler alert, this is hysterical cherry-picking of people who
>>>>>>>detransitioned, it's not related to the meaningful data on
>>>>>>>transitions' success.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It illustrates exactly why we should outlaw this hideous process and
>>>>>>imprison any doctors and nurses who perform it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>For life.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's authoritarian.
>>>>
>>>>And yet you have no problems with authority REQUIRING they do so?
>>>>
>>>>If one is authoritarianism.. then so is the other.
>>>
>>> No one can be required to do a job they don't wish to do.
>>>
>>Been to N. Korea lately?
>>How about China?
>
>
> I'm not talking about those countries.

I see, so you're cherry picking only examples that support your claims.

that's dishonest.

On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 08:36:02 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
>"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4vsoejdgooggn2eq9605utleva0n54jphl@4ax.com...
>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>On 2024-09-19, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:3jhoej9o8691jk40vfkdh21kn06j388j1l@4ax.com...
>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>[Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>"Leroy N. Soetoro" <democrat-insurrection@mail.house.gov> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>https://nypost.com/2022/06/18/detransitioned-teens-explain-why-they-
>>>>>>>>>regret-changing-genders/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Spoiler alert, this is hysterical cherry-picking of people who
>>>>>>>>detransitioned, it's not related to the meaningful data on
>>>>>>>>transitions' success.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It illustrates exactly why we should outlaw this hideous process and
>>>>>>>imprison any doctors and nurses who perform it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's authoritarian.
>>>>>
>>>>>And yet you have no problems with authority REQUIRING they do so?
>>>>>
>>>>>If one is authoritarianism.. then so is the other.
>>>>
>>>> No one can be required to do a job they don't wish to do.
>>>>
>>>Been to N. Korea lately?
>>>How about China?
>>
>>
>> I'm not talking about those countries.
>
>I see, so you're cherry picking only examples that support your claims.
>
>that's dishonest.
>

His conversation was about the United States. Pothead tried to change the
subject.

Fail.

Cops are people too
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QBltXF30X6U>

--
So, in no particular order:
01) Trump fueled division and sparked record numbers of hate crimes such as Charlottesville and supporters beating a homeless man.
02) Murder went way up under Trump. He presided over the largest ever single year increase in homicides in 2020.

"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ot6rejt7c7vndt4c88p7lra7kjef2ipsgl@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 08:36:02 -0500, "Scout"
> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:4vsoejdgooggn2eq9605utleva0n54jphl@4ax.com...
>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>On 2024-09-19, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:3jhoej9o8691jk40vfkdh21kn06j388j1l@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>[Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>"Leroy N. Soetoro" <democrat-insurrection@mail.house.gov> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>https://nypost.com/2022/06/18/detransitioned-teens-explain-why-they-
>>>>>>>>>>regret-changing-genders/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Spoiler alert, this is hysterical cherry-picking of people who
>>>>>>>>>detransitioned, it's not related to the meaningful data on
>>>>>>>>>transitions' success.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It illustrates exactly why we should outlaw this hideous process and
>>>>>>>>imprison any doctors and nurses who perform it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>For life.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's authoritarian.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And yet you have no problems with authority REQUIRING they do so?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If one is authoritarianism.. then so is the other.
>>>>>
>>>>> No one can be required to do a job they don't wish to do.
>>>>>
>>>>Been to N. Korea lately?
>>>>How about China?
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not talking about those countries.
>>
>>I see, so you're cherry picking only examples that support your claims.
>>
>>that's dishonest.
>>
>
> His conversation was about the United States. Pothead tried to change the
> subject.

No, he claimed that no one can be required to do a job they don't wish to
do... I pointed to examples that refuted his claims.

He tried to assert they didn't count.

Meanwhile I can point to people who were jailed, as in thrown in prison,
because they didn't do a job because they apparently decided they didn't
want to.

Now, Swill, are you really sure you want to stick up for the fool known as
Joel?

On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 13:42:44 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
>"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:ot6rejt7c7vndt4c88p7lra7kjef2ipsgl@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 08:36:02 -0500, "Scout"
>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4vsoejdgooggn2eq9605utleva0n54jphl@4ax.com...
>>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>>On 2024-09-19, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:3jhoej9o8691jk40vfkdh21kn06j388j1l@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>[Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>>"Leroy N. Soetoro" <democrat-insurrection@mail.house.gov> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>https://nypost.com/2022/06/18/detransitioned-teens-explain-why-they-
>>>>>>>>>>>regret-changing-genders/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Spoiler alert, this is hysterical cherry-picking of people who
>>>>>>>>>>detransitioned, it's not related to the meaningful data on
>>>>>>>>>>transitions' success.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It illustrates exactly why we should outlaw this hideous process and
>>>>>>>>>imprison any doctors and nurses who perform it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>For life.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's authoritarian.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And yet you have no problems with authority REQUIRING they do so?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If one is authoritarianism.. then so is the other.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No one can be required to do a job they don't wish to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Been to N. Korea lately?
>>>>>How about China?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not talking about those countries.
>>>
>>>I see, so you're cherry picking only examples that support your claims.
>>>
>>>that's dishonest.
>>>
>>
>> His conversation was about the United States. Pothead tried to change the
>> subject.
>
>No, he claimed that no one can be required to do a job they don't wish to
>do... I pointed to examples that refuted his claims.

While deliberately misunderstanding that the conversation wasn't global.

>He tried to assert they didn't count.

And they didn't.

>Meanwhile I can point to people who were jailed, as in thrown in prison,
>because they didn't do a job because they apparently decided they didn't
>want to.

Americans? Go ahead. Give us some examples, Mr Pedantic.

>Now, Swill, are you really sure you want to stick up for the fool known as
>Joel?

Are you really sure you want to keep making a fool of yourself?

You just want to fight. You don't care with whom or about what or even if you
have to make something up to get it done. You're just an asshole with a chip on
his shoulder.

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--

Today's two reasons to not vote for Trump in 43 days.

07) Trump extreme conservative judicial appointments.
1 in 3 American women now live in a state with an abortion ban.
08) One of Trump's SCOTUS nominees, Bret Kavanaugh, was
accused of sexual assault by multiple women.
The only other SCOTUS justice to be so accused was
Clarence Thomas, also a noted conservative.

On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 13:42:44 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
>"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:ot6rejt7c7vndt4c88p7lra7kjef2ipsgl@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 08:36:02 -0500, "Scout"
>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4vsoejdgooggn2eq9605utleva0n54jphl@4ax.com...
>>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>>On 2024-09-19, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:3jhoej9o8691jk40vfkdh21kn06j388j1l@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>[Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>>>>>>>"Leroy N. Soetoro" <democrat-insurrection@mail.house.gov> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>https://nypost.com/2022/06/18/detransitioned-teens-explain-why-they-
>>>>>>>>>>>regret-changing-genders/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Spoiler alert, this is hysterical cherry-picking of people who
>>>>>>>>>>detransitioned, it's not related to the meaningful data on
>>>>>>>>>>transitions' success.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>It illustrates exactly why we should outlaw this hideous process and
>>>>>>>>>imprison any doctors and nurses who perform it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>For life.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's authoritarian.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And yet you have no problems with authority REQUIRING they do so?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If one is authoritarianism.. then so is the other.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No one can be required to do a job they don't wish to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Been to N. Korea lately?
>>>>>How about China?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not talking about those countries.
>>>
>>>I see, so you're cherry picking only examples that support your claims.
>>>
>>>that's dishonest.
>>>
>>
>> His conversation was about the United States. Pothead tried to change the
>> subject.
>
>No, he claimed that no one can be required to do a job they don't wish to
>do... I pointed to examples that refuted his claims.
>
>He tried to assert they didn't count.
>
>Meanwhile I can point to people who were jailed, as in thrown in prison,
>because they didn't do a job because they apparently decided they didn't
>want to.
>
>Now, Swill, are you really sure you want to stick up for the fool known as
>Joel?
>

Given that Swilly is about as bad as Joel I suspect that he will.

NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 13:42:44 -0500, "Scout"
><me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:ot6rejt7c7vndt4c88p7lra7kjef2ipsgl@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 08:36:02 -0500, "Scout"
>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:4vsoejdgooggn2eq9605utleva0n54jphl@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not talking about those countries.
>>>>
>>>>I see, so you're cherry picking only examples that support your claims.
>>>>
>>>>that's dishonest.
>>>
>>> His conversation was about the United States. Pothead tried to change the
>>> subject.
>>
>>No, he claimed that no one can be required to do a job they don't wish to
>>do... I pointed to examples that refuted his claims.
>>
>>He tried to assert they didn't count.
>>
>>Meanwhile I can point to people who were jailed, as in thrown in prison,
>>because they didn't do a job because they apparently decided they didn't
>>want to.
>>
>>Now, Swill, are you really sure you want to stick up for the fool known as
>>Joel?
>
>Given that Swilly is about as bad as Joel I suspect that he will.

<yawn>

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

I need to return this chain saw.

Was there a problem with it?

Yeah, I bought it to trim a tree but it turns out the tree is too thick.

--

Today's two reasons to not vote for Trump in 43 days.

09) Trump's White House interfered with the FBI investigation
into Kavanaugh's sexual assaults.
10) Trump is a felon, convicted on 34 counts of business fraud.

Governor Swill wrote:
> Was there a problem with it?

It's a little man Ball thing...

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party and a few dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Oh poor me I got shot at ...

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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

again cant find the original, but i think only those over the age
of 18 should be allowed to cut their peepee.

"kami" <f00@0f0.00f> wrote in message news:r8ztnxp8eum9.dlg@tomato.potato...
>
> again cant find the original, but i think only those over the age
> of 18 should be allowed to cut their peepee.

I would say 21 as that is the age in which they are fully and adult and the
parents no longer have any say, or responsibility, for their actions.

kami <f00@0f0.00f> wrote:

>again cant find the original, but i think only those over the age
>of 18 should be allowed to cut their peepee.

It's never done below the age of 16, rarely before 18. This isn't a
real problem, just a rhetorical point for the phobes, dishonestly.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.