Gold Apollo models AR924 and AP924

How many do you want?

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>Subject: I have free pagers for shitv and Feeb
>
>Gold Apollo models AR924 and AP924
>
>How many do you want?

It's not funny.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:48:15 -0400, DFS wrote:

> Gold Apollo models AR924 and AP924
>
> How many do you want?

You're leaving out happy horseshit?

https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/ap-900-this-what-we-know-about-one-
of-the-pagers-that-exploded-in-lebanon-18209359

It requires registration that I don't have but the headline is Gold Apollo
says they didn't make the pagers.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gold-apollo-says-it-did-not-
make-pagers-used-lebanon-explosion-2024-09-18/

I wonder if the 2700 pagers can be traced back to a single source of
supply? I doubt it was people randomly buying them from eBay or Amazon.
How would Mossad know the purchasers were all Hezbollah? Of course, being
Israel they wouldn't give a fuck. So what if you kill off some random
goyim.

If the supply chain can be traced back I imagine payback will be a bitch,
just in time for an October surprise.

On 9/17/2024 11:27 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:48:15 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> Gold Apollo models AR924 and AP924
>>
>> How many do you want?
>
> You're leaving out happy horseshit?

You ever seen -hh dissect shitv? It's a wonder to behold.

> https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/ap-900-this-what-we-know-about-one-
> of-the-pagers-that-exploded-in-lebanon-18209359
>
> It requires registration that I don't have but the headline is Gold Apollo
> says they didn't make the pagers.
>
> https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gold-apollo-says-it-did-not-
> make-pagers-used-lebanon-explosion-2024-09-18/
>
> I wonder if the 2700 pagers can be traced back to a single source of
> supply? I doubt it was people randomly buying them from eBay or Amazon.
> How would Mossad know the purchasers were all Hezbollah?

APNews said Israel briefed the US after the operation.

> Of course, being
> Israel they wouldn't give a fuck. So what if you kill off some random
> goyim.

At least 12 dead, incl 2 children
2800 injured
170 in critical condition
per Lebanon's Ministry of Health, per CNN and the AP.

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-hezbollah-pager-explosion-e9493409a0648b846fdcadffdb02d71e

> If the supply chain can be traced back I imagine payback will be a bitch,
> just in time for an October surprise.

I would think Israel bought a bunch, modified them, and sold them thru a
front company.

To get them into only or mostly Hezbollah's hands, they must've had a
source inside Hezbollah.

Unless there was an inside man, Israel must've done some software
hacking to know which phone numbers to send the remote detonation code to.

It was a well-executed operation, and delivered devastating results for
very little cost.

On 9/17/2024 10:57 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>> Subject: I have free pagers for shitv and Feeb
>>
>> Gold Apollo models AR924 and AP924
>>
>> How many do you want?
>
>
> It's not funny.

It's hilarious!

You got a better idea for improving the world?

On 9/18/24 8:07 AM, DFS wrote:
> On 9/17/2024 11:27 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:48:15 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> Gold Apollo models AR924 and AP924
>>>
>>> How many do you want?
>>
>> You're leaving out happy horseshit?
>
> You ever seen -hh dissect shitv?  It's a wonder to behold.

I'm supposedly now in bowman's "I'm a butthurt luzer" killfile
to try to shield their eyes from seeing further humiliations.

>> https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/ap-900-this-what-we-know-about-one-
>> of-the-pagers-that-exploded-in-lebanon-18209359
>>
>> It requires registration that I don't have but the headline is Gold
>> Apollo
>> says they didn't make the pagers.
>>
>> https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gold-apollo-says-it-did-not-
>> make-pagers-used-lebanon-explosion-2024-09-18/
>>
>> I wonder if the 2700 pagers can be traced back to a single source of
>> supply? I doubt it was people randomly buying them from eBay or Amazon.
>> How would Mossad know the purchasers were all Hezbollah?
>
> APNews said Israel briefed the US after the operation.
>
>> Of course, being
>> Israel they wouldn't give a fuck. So what if you kill off some random
>> goyim.
>
> At least 12 dead, incl 2 children
> 2800 injured
> 170 in critical condition
> per Lebanon's Ministry of Health, per CNN and the AP.
>
> https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-hezbollah-pager-explosion-
> e9493409a0648b846fdcadffdb02d71e

Including an Iranian ambassador: gosh, I wonder why he was in personal
possession of a secure pager from Hezbollah? /s

>> If the supply chain can be traced back I imagine payback will be a bitch,
>> just in time for an October surprise.
>
> I would think Israel bought a bunch, modified them, and sold them thru a
> front company.
>
> To get them into only or mostly Hezbollah's hands, they must've had a
> source inside Hezbollah.

Supposedly, Hezbollah made a single purchase order for 5K units.

The pagers were originally from a company in Taiwan, but for whatever
reason, the order went through a European company. Speculation is that
it was this third party middleman where the change was made, and then
after delivery, Hezbollah did the "last mile" to their own units.

> Unless there was an inside man, Israel must've done some software
> hacking to know which phone numbers to send the remote detonation code to.

It wasn't necessarily a betrayal, as it could have merely been a gap
(due to incompetence/lack of awareness/etc) in secure operations.

Initial speculation was of hack, perhaps a Stuxnet-style like was done
to Iran's nuclear centrifuges to make the internal battery overheat.
Not likely, as thermal runaways aren't necessarily reliable enough for a
high rate of nearly perfectly timed high order kabooms.

FWIW, I did see an Open Lit source which mentioned PETN (Pentaerythritol
tetranitrate), but if that's correct, its a secondary explosive, so a
primary is needed for ignition. If I was designing it, I'd probably
look to use {redacted} as the primary, as its cheap & easy to get, and
is very small & can be initiated from a (pager) battery. For command
initiation, I have some thoughts, but these merit a "{redacted}" too.

> It was a well-executed operation, and delivered devastating results for
> very little cost.

Yup. Their propaganda machine is now ramping up on the 2 kids killed (&
3K terrorist casualties), but since Hezbollah killed 2 infants + 12 kids
under the age of 10 from just their Oct 7th attack, they should stick to
the collateral civilian casualties from Israeli aerial bombs.

-hh

On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 08:07:52 -0400, DFS wrote:

> It was a well-executed operation, and delivered devastating results for
> very little cost.

The full cost hasn't been totaled yet.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-820315

Gallant is one of the saner of the mad dogs. Lost in the memory hole is an
incident where Hamas or one of the other Palestinian organizations took
over a bus and were trying to negotiate a deal. The official doctrine was
'We don't negotiate. If the hostages die when we attack the bus that's
life.'

I'm sure whoever is running the US government these days was aware and
signed off. The Asian manufacturer has said the pagers were manufactured
by a Hungarian licensee, BAC. Another article said BAC claims to be a
distributor, not a manufacturer.

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-exploding-pagers-hezbollah-
syria-ce6af3c2e6de0a0dddfae48634278288

One of Trump's drawbacks is his support for Israel. It's time to cut both
the Ukraine and Israel loose, not one or the other.

In article <abgkejhig6oj4c8g4lafmo74ju69qvq134@4ax.com>,
joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
> >Subject: I have free pagers for shitv and Feeb
> >
> >Gold Apollo models AR924 and AP924
> >
> >How many do you want?
>
>
> It's not funny.

Jews can be nasty.

--
Soy Boys For Kamala Unite
Make Certain To Vote BLUE

On 9/18/2024 10:04 AM, -hh wrote:
> On 9/18/24 8:07 AM, DFS wrote:
>> On 9/17/2024 11:27 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:48:15 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gold Apollo models AR924 and AP924
>>>>
>>>> How many do you want?
>>>
>>> You're leaving out happy horseshit?
>>
>> You ever seen -hh dissect shitv?  It's a wonder to behold.
>
> I'm supposedly now in bowman's "I'm a butthurt luzer" killfile
> to try to shield their eyes from seeing further humiliations.

turdv reads everything you post.

>>> https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/ap-900-this-what-we-know-about-one-
>>> of-the-pagers-that-exploded-in-lebanon-18209359
>>>
>>> It requires registration that I don't have but the headline is Gold
>>> Apollo
>>> says they didn't make the pagers.
>>>
>>> https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gold-apollo-says-it-did-not-
>>> make-pagers-used-lebanon-explosion-2024-09-18/
>>>
>>> I wonder if the 2700 pagers can be traced back to a single source of
>>> supply? I doubt it was people randomly buying them from eBay or Amazon.
>>> How would Mossad know the purchasers were all Hezbollah?
>>
>> APNews said Israel briefed the US after the operation.
>>> Of course, being
>>> Israel they wouldn't give a fuck. So what if you kill off some random
>>> goyim.
>>
>> At least 12 dead, incl 2 children
>> 2800 injured
>> 170 in critical condition
>> per Lebanon's Ministry of Health, per CNN and the AP.
>>
>> https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-hezbollah-pager-explosion-
>> e9493409a0648b846fdcadffdb02d71e
>
> Including an Iranian ambassador: gosh, I wonder why he was in personal
> possession of a secure pager from Hezbollah?  /s

How's he gonna "wipe Israel off the map" with no hands?

>>> If the supply chain can be traced back I imagine payback will be a
>>> bitch,
>>> just in time for an October surprise.
>>
>> I would think Israel bought a bunch, modified them, and sold them thru
>> a front company.
>>
>> To get them into only or mostly Hezbollah's hands, they must've had a
>> source inside Hezbollah.
>
> Supposedly, Hezbollah made a single purchase order for 5K units.
>
> The pagers were originally from a company in Taiwan, but for whatever
> reason, the order went through a European company.  Speculation is that
> it was this third party middleman where the change was made, and then
> after delivery, Hezbollah did the "last mile" to their own units.
>
>
>> Unless there was an inside man, Israel must've done some software
>> hacking to know which phone numbers to send the remote detonation code
>> to.
>
> It wasn't necessarily a betrayal, as it could have merely been a gap
> (due to incompetence/lack of awareness/etc) in secure operations.
>
> Initial speculation was of hack, perhaps a Stuxnet-style like was done
> to Iran's nuclear centrifuges to make the internal battery overheat. Not
> likely, as thermal runaways aren't necessarily reliable enough for a
> high rate of nearly perfectly timed high order kabooms.
>
> FWIW, I did see an Open Lit source which mentioned PETN (Pentaerythritol
> tetranitrate), but if that's correct, its a secondary explosive, so a
> primary is needed for ignition.  If I was designing it, I'd probably
> look to use {redacted} as the primary, as its cheap & easy to get, and
> is very small & can be initiated from a (pager) battery.  For command
> initiation, I have some thoughts, but these merit a "{redacted}" too.

uh oh... is your military career 'classified'? Were you a Navy SEAL?
WWSD: What would Shipley do?

"A former British Army bomb disposal officer explained that an explosive
device has five main components: A container, a battery, a triggering
device, a detonator and an explosive charge.

“A pager has three of those already,” said the ex-officer, who spoke on
condition of anonymity because he now works as a consultant with clients
on the Middle East. “You would only need to add the detonator and the
charge.”

In an older building demolition or mining explosion, is this more or
less correct?

fuse triggering device
blasting cap detonator
TNT explosive charge

I suppose Fat Man and Little Boy and that generation of nuclear devices
were set off in a similar fashion.

>> It was a well-executed operation, and delivered devastating results
>> for very little cost.
>
> Yup.

Note this:

"Citing conversations with Hezbollah contacts, Magnier said what
triggered Tuesday’s explosions appeared to be an error message that
reached the devices and caused them to vibrate intensely — forcing users
to reach the pager with both hands to click on buttons to stop them.
This caused many users to injure both hands."

https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-hezbollah-pager-explosion-e9493409a0648b846fdcadffdb02d71e

Very devious.

> Their propaganda machine is now ramping up on the 2 kids killed (&
> 3K terrorist casualties), but since Hezbollah killed 2 infants + 12 kids
> under the age of 10 from just their Oct 7th attack, they should stick to
> the collateral civilian casualties from Israeli aerial bombs.
I'm sure they're furious that Israel made them look foolish. Twice in 2
days.

On 9/18/2024 12:27 PM, Roy Soy wrote:
> In article <abgkejhig6oj4c8g4lafmo74ju69qvq134@4ax.com>,
> joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>>
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Subject: I have free pagers for shitv and Feeb
>>>
>>> Gold Apollo models AR924 and AP924
>>>
>>> How many do you want?
>>
>>
>> It's not funny.
>
> Jews can be nasty.

So can Christians and Roy Soy Boys.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
> On 9/18/2024 10:04 AM, -hh wrote:
>> On 9/18/24 8:07 AM, DFS wrote:
>>> On 9/17/2024 11:27 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 17 Sep 2024 22:48:15 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Gold Apollo models AR924 and AP924
>>>>>
>>>>> How many do you want?
>>>>
>>>> You're leaving out happy horseshit?
>>>
>>> You ever seen -hh dissect shitv?  It's a wonder to behold.
>>
>> I'm supposedly now in bowman's "I'm a butthurt luzer" killfile
>> to try to shield their eyes from seeing further humiliations.
>
> turdv reads everything you post.

I was referring to “rbowman”; is that account actually a sock of chrisv?

>>>> https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/ap-900-this-what-we-know-about-one-
>>>> of-the-pagers-that-exploded-in-lebanon-18209359
>>>>
>>>> It requires registration that I don't have but the headline is Gold
>>>> Apollo
>>>> says they didn't make the pagers.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gold-apollo-says-it-did-not-
>>>> make-pagers-used-lebanon-explosion-2024-09-18/
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if the 2700 pagers can be traced back to a single source of
>>>> supply? I doubt it was people randomly buying them from eBay or Amazon.
>>>> How would Mossad know the purchasers were all Hezbollah?
>>>
>>> APNews said Israel briefed the US after the operation.
>>>> Of course, being
>>>> Israel they wouldn't give a fuck. So what if you kill off some random
>>>> goyim.
>>>
>>> At least 12 dead, incl 2 children
>>> 2800 injured
>>> 170 in critical condition
>>> per Lebanon's Ministry of Health, per CNN and the AP.
>>>
>>> https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-hezbollah-pager-explosion-
>>> e9493409a0648b846fdcadffdb02d71e
>>
>> Including an Iranian ambassador: gosh, I wonder why he was in personal
>> possession of a secure pager from Hezbollah?  /s
>
> How's he gonna "wipe Israel off the map" with no hands?

Can’t touch those 72 virgins without fingers /s

>>>> If the supply chain can be traced back I imagine payback will be a
>>>> bitch, just in time for an October surprise.
>>>
>>> I would think Israel bought a bunch, modified them, and sold them thru
>>> a front company.
>>>
>>> To get them into only or mostly Hezbollah's hands, they must've had a
>>> source inside Hezbollah.
>>
>> Supposedly, Hezbollah made a single purchase order for 5K units.
>>
>> The pagers were originally from a company in Taiwan, but for whatever
>> reason, the order went through a European company.  Speculation is that
>> it was this third party middleman where the change was made, and then
>> after delivery, Hezbollah did the "last mile" to their own units.
>>
>>
>>> Unless there was an inside man, Israel must've done some software
>>> hacking to know which phone numbers to send the remote detonation code
>>> to.
>>
>> It wasn't necessarily a betrayal, as it could have merely been a gap
>> (due to incompetence/lack of awareness/etc) in secure operations.
>>
>> Initial speculation was of hack, perhaps a Stuxnet-style like was done
>> to Iran's nuclear centrifuges to make the internal battery overheat. Not
>> likely, as thermal runaways aren't necessarily reliable enough for a
>> high rate of nearly perfectly timed high order kabooms.
>>
>> FWIW, I did see an Open Lit source which mentioned PETN (Pentaerythritol
>> tetranitrate), but if that's correct, its a secondary explosive, so a
>> primary is needed for ignition.  If I was designing it, I'd probably
>> look to use {redacted} as the primary, as its cheap & easy to get, and
>> is very small & can be initiated from a (pager) battery.  For command
>> initiation, I have some thoughts, but these merit a "{redacted}" too.
>
> uh oh... is your military career 'classified'? Were you a Navy SEAL?
> WWSD: What would Shipley do?

Not its existence, but there’s invariably stuff that’s not releasable to
the public, at varying levels of restrictions on public disclosure.
Redacting here was just to avoid posting useful How To instructions on the
Internet, while also making it clear that parts here are technologically
trivial with off-the-shelf components: it’s not 007’s “Q”, but simply a
smart enough guy using the current pasts bin.

> "A former British Army bomb disposal officer explained that an explosive
> device has five main components: A container, a battery, a triggering
> device, a detonator and an explosive charge.
>
> “A pager has three of those already,” said the ex-officer, who spoke on
> condition of anonymity because he now works as a consultant with clients
> on the Middle East. “You would only need to add the detonator and the
> charge.”
>

Yup. I’d mentioned what the rumored charge supposedly was, and without
naming it, I notionally picked a suitable detonator (one that I’ve had
personal experience with).

> In an older building demolition or mining explosion, is this more or
> less correct?
>
> fuse triggering device
> blasting cap detonator
> TNT explosive charge

Sure. Probably the COSTS equivalent of the DoD’s M6 or M7 blasting cap.
In any event, none of these would be suited for a pager…way too big to hide
one inside.

> I suppose Fat Man and Little Boy and that generation of nuclear devices
> were set off in a similar fashion.

The secret sauce there was the timing precision. IIRC, that was more
critical for the Fat Man sphere than the Little Boy cylinder.

>>> It was a well-executed operation, and delivered devastating results
>>> for very little cost.
>>
>> Yup.
>
> Note this:
>
> "Citing conversations with Hezbollah contacts, Magnier said what
> triggered Tuesday’s explosions appeared to be an error message that
> reached the devices and caused them to vibrate intensely — forcing users
> to reach the pager with both hands to click on buttons to stop them.
> This caused many users to injure both hands."
>
> https://apnews.com/article/lebanon-israel-hezbollah-pager-explosion-e9493409a0648b846fdcadffdb02d71e
>
> Very devious.

As devious as following-up with phase 2 today, with walkie-talkies &
radios. Those weren’t injured yesterday from their now-tossed pagers went
to their backup devices, giving Mossad a second shot at them. Reportedly,
one such device went off on a participant at a Hezbollah funeral.

>> Their propaganda machine is now ramping up on the 2 kids killed (&
>> 3K terrorist casualties), but since Hezbollah killed 2 infants + 12 kids
>> under the age of 10 from just their Oct 7th attack, they should stick to
>> the collateral civilian casualties from Israeli aerial bombs.
>
> I'm sure they're furious that Israel made them look foolish. Twice in 2
> days.

It’s a huge international shift in risks at many levels. Remember how we
had TSA inspections on laptops/etc? Miniaturization into a beeper changes
lots of legacy security assumptions.

-hh

-hh wrote:

>I'm supposedly now in bowman's "I'm a butthurt luzer" killfile
>to try to shield their eyes from seeing further humiliations.

Like how you humiliated yourself back in July with your ridiculous
claim that the Secret Service's ROG doesn't allow them to shoot at an
assassin, until the assassin shoots first?

Well, what's happened since then?

"Agents fired on a suspect after seeing a rifle muzzle poking through
shrubbery and a chain link fence that lines the boundary of Trump
International Golf Club in West Palm Beach, Florida, at about 1:30
p.m."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2024/09/16/timeline-maps-trump-golf-course-second-assassination-attempt/75244538007/

Oops!

Then there was your *astonishing* defense of the "the roof was too
steep" excuse. "Read the OSHA regulations", you told me, as you dug
deeper into your hole of idiocy.

If you want to admit that you were wrong, you'll need to say that in
the subject of your response. Your response will not be read.

--
"So much for chrisv's claims of a 'zero day' killfile." - lying
asshole "-hh", implying dishonesty on my part, but in fact simply too
stupid to figure-out what a "zero day plonk" is

On 9/18/24 5:11 PM, chrisv wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>> I'm supposedly now in bowman's "I'm a butthurt luzer" killfile
>> to try to shield their eyes from seeing further humiliations.
>
> Like how you humiliated yourself back in July with your ridiculous
> claim that the Secret Service's ROG doesn't allow them to shoot at an
> assassin, until the assassin shoots first?

Which was correct, because occupation of that roof wasn't within the
USSS's AOR, as per their ROE's.

> Well, what's happened since then?
>
> "Agents fired on a suspect after seeing a rifle muzzle poking through
> shrubbery and a chain link fence that lines the boundary of Trump
> International Golf Club in West Palm Beach, Florida, at about 1:30
> p.m."
>
> https://www.usatoday.com/story/graphics/2024/09/16/timeline-maps-trump-golf-course-second-assassination-attempt/75244538007/
>
> Oops!

Maybe it was within their AOR this time, but since the individual still
hasn't been charged with trespass, perhaps not.

Because without such charges, the Agent's decision to shoot may not have
been strictly legal: you need to pick your battles better, chrisv.

> Then there was your *astonishing* defense of the "the roof was too
> steep" excuse. "Read the OSHA regulations", you told me, as you dug
> deeper into your hole of idiocy.

No, not necessarily steep, as the regulations are addressing the injury
risk from a fall: there's guidelines even for working on flat roofs.
In fact, one of my experiences with a violation was for a flat roof
built inside of a high bay that had one side that wasn't protected.

> If you want to admit that you were wrong, you'll need to say that in
> the subject of your response. Your response will not be read.

Since I'm not wrong, not applicable at all.
And you're still just a butthurt crybaby.

-hh

chrisv wrote:

>Like how you humiliated yourself back in July with your ridiculous
>claim that the Secret Service's ROG doesn't allow them to shoot at an
>assassin, until the assassin shoots first?
>
>Then there was your *astonishing* defense of the "the roof was too
>steep" excuse. "Read the OSHA regulations", you told me, as you dug
>deeper into your hole of idiocy.
>
>If you want to admit that you were wrong, you'll need to say that in
>the subject of your response. Your response will not be read.

Did -highhorse "dissect" me, again? That happens, you know, in some
dumb fsck's up-is-down, lies-are-truth world. The same world where
electrical engineers, like me, are "tech morons".

--
"Oh, wait, let me guess: it is because 98% of the world are, how
would you say it? Oh right: 'fscking idiot sheep'?" - lying
asshole "-hh", lying shamelessly

chrisv wrote:

>-hh wrote:
>
>>I'm supposedly now in bowman's "I'm a butthurt luzer" killfile
>>to try to shield their eyes from seeing further humiliations.
>
>Like how you humiliated yourself back in July with your ridiculous
>claim that the Secret Service's ROG doesn't allow them to shoot at an
>assassin, until the assassin shoots first?

s/ROG/ROE/ i.e. rules of engagement